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Current Events => The DUmpster => Topic started by: Tucker on May 15, 2010, 07:25:22 PM
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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat May-15-10 02:32 PM
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8 arrested at protest over Obama cutting funding for HIV/AIDS programs
Edited on Sat May-15-10 02:32 PM by Bluebear
8 Arrested in NYC Protesting Obama’s AIDS Policies
Here in New York, protesters from ACT UP, Africa Action, Global Access Project and other groups rallied outside a Democratic fundraiser last night featuring President Obama and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi. Police arrested eight protesters after they chained themselves together and disrupted traffic. The groups accused Obama of reneging on his campaign pledge to spend at least $50 billion by 2013 for the global fight against HIV/AIDS. Since taking office, Obama has shifted funding away from international AIDS programs at a time when the number of people infected with HIV continues to grow by a million a year. The United Nations now estimates there is a global shortfall of about $17 billion for controlling the epidemic.
Jennifer Flynn of Global Access Project: “We are here today to protest in front of this $15,000-per-person dinner hosted by President Obama to the fact that he’s gone—he’s broken his promise to fully fund the fight against global AIDS. In both of his budgets that he’s issued, he has consistently cut funding to the Global Fund to Fight AIDS, Tuberculosis and Malaria and the President’s Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief.â€
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/5/14/headlines/8_arres...
How's that changy thing working out for ya?
Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat May-15-10 03:13 PM
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3. LOL folks unreccing AIDS funding now.
That unrec feature is a thorn in their side.
Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat May-15-10 03:54 PM
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8. Obviously they're all racists.
Yep! That has always worked in the past. WAIT. obama is black. Blacks can't be racist.
Nite Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Journal Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat May-15-10 03:59 PM
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10. The sick, the poor, the most needy
over the cliff to protect and serve the corporations.
WTF thread are you reading? The sick, the poor and the most needy are not in the high risk for AIDS. The butt pluggers are.
nichomachus (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view this author's profile Click to add this author to your buddy list Click to add this author to your Ignore list Sat May-15-10 06:17 PM
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26. This will be nothing compared to what will happen in CA if Whitman gets in
Or one of the other fascists. They are now in a race to the bottom to see who can promise to do the most damage to the sick, poor, and elderly.
Another WTF.
Overall, a smaller percentage of blacks support gay lifestyles in comparison the whites. What did they think they were buying with their obama vote?
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"butt pluggers"?
So, AIDS is still a gay disease?
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"butt pluggers"?
So, AIDS is still a gay disease?
Who has the greatest transmission rate? Which community has "parties" where "gift givers" pass off HIV to "bug chasers"?
No, it's not a "gay disease", but they sure do pass it around pretty proficiently, don't they?
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Who has the greatest transmission rate? Which community has "parties" where "gift givers" pass off HIV to "bug chasers"?
No, it's not a "gay disease", but they sure do pass it around pretty proficiently, don't they?
People who engage in unsafe sex pass it around proficiently. It is a disease that strikes many people. Most of whom have unsafe sex. It is basically an STD like all others are, except it can be more lethal than others. It could strike you or me just the same as it could a gay man (if we were to have unprotected sex with someone infected). I do realize that it may pass easier through anal sex, but I also know that many heterosexual people have anal sex too. So, to me, it is an STD that passes on through unsafe sex. I don't put labels on it other than that.
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That unrec feature is a thorn in their side.
And that's why it makes no sense. This is not good news for the DUmmies, so do you "un-recommend" it or "recommend" it. Nice site, $kimmer. :evillaugh:
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And that's why it makes no sense. This is not good news for the DUmmies, so do you "un-recommend" it or "recommend" it. Nice site, $kimmer. :evillaugh:
The unrec feature is so stupid. There is a thread daily on how stupid it is. Mainly from people who had their thread unrecced. I never got the point of the feature.
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...It could strike you or me just the same as it could a gay man (if we were to have unprotected sex with someone infected)...
casting off all of the other liberal claptrap that is your argument... who do you think the vast, overwhelming pool of infected people are?
i'll bet you think just because 99.999% of all illegal aliens are from mexico, it is racist (anti little brown people) to be against illegal immigration?
liberals just repeat the same lies to themselves over and over and over again until until their bullshit sounds like truth to them.
sad.
grim.
pathetic.
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"butt pluggers"?
So, AIDS is still a gay disease?
If you are going to try to pretend that it isn`t then you are just being silly.
Find me some demographic that suggests it isn`t prevalent mostly in the homosexual community.
Let`s be honest about it.
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If you are going to try to pretend that it isn`t then you are just being silly.
Find me some demographic that suggests it isn`t prevalent mostly in the homosexual community.
Let`s be honest about it.
I am being honest about it. There are many heterosexual people infected as well. It passes easier through anal sex. Gay men aren't the only ones who have anal sex.
It is a disease. It is an STD. There are many many STDs. Are they all related to being gay? HPV can cause cervical cancer. Is that a heterosexual disease?
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"butt pluggers"?
So, AIDS is still a gay disease?
I guess while you were playing patty cake with the moonbats in the lounge you missed the threads where the butt pluggers want to eliminate any and all testing for the AIDS virus from gays who donate blood. They feel discriminated against and have a complex.
That's a brilliant ****ing idea.
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I guess while you were playing patty cake with the moonbats in the lounge you missed the threads where the butt pluggers want to eliminate any and all testing for the AIDS virus from gays who donate blood. They feel discriminated against and have a complex.
That's a brilliant ******* idea.
The AIDS virus should be tested from anyone who donates blood. I don't care who you are. Every blood disease should be tested from every person who donates blood.
And I only play patty cake with my child.
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People who engage in unsafe sex pass it around proficiently. It is a disease that strikes many people. Most of whom have unsafe sex. It is basically an STD like all others are, except it can be more lethal than others. It could strike you or me just the same as it could a gay man (if we were to have unprotected sex with someone infected). I do realize that it may pass easier through anal sex, but I also know that many heterosexual people have anal sex too. So, to me, it is an STD that passes on through unsafe sex. I don't put labels on it other than that.
You're exposing your age. Which group had the highest HIV infection rate, as well as the highest INCREASE in rate? And still does? And BTW, they also have the highest rates of nice little things like syphilis, gonorrhea, and a whole host of other neato STD's?
Don't believe me? Just check with CDC or health departments in New York, San Francisco, West Hollywood, Key West, or other areas with substantial homosexual populations...
LINK (http://dgsma.wordpress.com/2010/03/11/u-s-gay-mens-astonishing-hivstd-rates/)
Washington, DC– Today, at the National STD Prevention Conference in Atlanta, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) released new data that underscore the nation’s ongoing struggle to halt the spread of HIV and sexually transmitted diseases (STDs) in the United States (U.S.). The data indicate that rates of HIV infection among gay men and other men who have sex with men (MSM) are more than 44 times higher than rates among heterosexual men and more than 40 times higher than women. Rates of syphilis, an STD that can facilitate HIV infection and if left untreated, may lead to sight loss and severe damage to the nervous system, are reported to be more than 46 times higher among gay men and other MSM than among heterosexual men and more than 71 times higher than among women.
(http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/12/ohsnap.jpg)
And don't think I didn't notice your failure to answer my previous query.
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People who engage in unsafe sex pass it around proficiently. It is a disease that strikes many people. Most of whom have unsafe sex. It is basically an STD like all others are, except it can be more lethal than others. It could strike you or me just the same as it could a gay man (if we were to have unprotected sex with someone infected). I do realize that it may pass easier through anal sex, but I also know that many heterosexual people have anal sex too. So, to me, it is an STD that passes on through unsafe sex. I don't put labels on it other than that.
Unfortunately soliel, over 90% of the HIV infections in the US are either homosexuals, or IV drug users........it is not a disease that is at all common in the general population, and now that controls are in place for the risk of infection due to transfused blood......in the non-drug using heterosexual population it is nearly zero.
Further, there is more money spent on AIDS/HIV research than on cancer, heart disease, and pulmonary disease COMBINED..........it's not like the gays are not getting their share.
AIDS is a disease that could easily be wiped out in a single generation by simple elimination of risky behaviour......I have no sympathy for the homosexual bunch.......at all......
doc
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I am being honest about it. There are many heterosexual people infected as well. It passes easier through anal sex. Gay men aren't the only ones who have anal sex.
It is a disease. It is an STD. There are many many STDs. Are they all related to being gay? HPV can cause cervical cancer. Is that a heterosexual disease?
You are trying to equate the possibility that a heterosexual person may somehow become infected with the fact that a homosexual male is very likely to be.
It is a liberal smokescreen to deflect the obvious.
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The AIDS virus should be tested from anyone who donates blood. I don't care who you are. Every blood disease should be tested from every person who donates blood.
And I only play patty cake with my child.
I wish I had saved the thread where one of the lovely homosexuals wanted to donate tainted blood. He was urging all the beautiful people to lie about their sexual encounters.
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You're exposing your age. Which group had the highest HIV infection rate, as well as the highest INCREASE in rate? And still does? And BTW, they also have the highest rates of nice little things like syphilis, gonorrhea, and a whole host of other neato STD's?
Don't believe me? Just check with CDC or health departments in New York, San Francisco, West Hollywood, Key West, or other areas with substantial homosexual populations...
LINK (http://dgsma.wordpress.com/2010/03/11/u-s-gay-mens-astonishing-hivstd-rates/)
(http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/12/ohsnap.jpg)
And don't think I didn't notice your failure to answer my previous query.
I didn't fail to answer any question. All that says to me is that it passes easier through anal sex. Gay men probably have anal sex more than others, but it isn't something that only gay men do. I am more worried about taking care of the disease. Lung cancer probably happens more to smokers, but instead of labeling it as a smoker's disease, I am more concerned with treating it and finding a cure. I don't really blame people for the diseases they get. Heart disease for the fat?
Maybe I am just not used to hearing the term "butt pluggers". And more concerned with making it someone's fault. Instead of focusing on how to treat it.
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You are trying to equate the possibility that a heterosexual person may somehow become infected with the fact that a homosexual male is very likely to be.
It is a liberal smokescreen to deflect the obvious.
HPV affects many many many teen and twenty somethings. It is quite likely that it will turn into cancerous cells as HIV will turn into AIDS.
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I wish I had saved the thread where one of the lovely homosexuals wanted to donate tainted blood. He was urging all the beautiful people to lie about their sexual encounters.
That just makes that person a shitty person. Those kind of people come in all shapes, forms, etc.
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I didn't fail to answer any question. All that says to me is that it passes easier through anal sex. Gay men probably have anal sex more than others, but it isn't something that only gay men do. I am more worried about taking care of the disease. Lung cancer probably happens more to smokers, but instead of labeling it as a smoker's disease, I am more concerned with treating it and finding a cure. I don't really blame people for the diseases they get. Heart disease for the fat?
Maybe I am just not used to hearing the term "butt pluggers". And more concerned with making it someone's fault. Instead of focusing on how to treat it.
I was being nice. :-)
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I wish I had saved the thread where one of the lovely homosexuals wanted to donate tainted blood. He was urging all the beautiful people to lie about their sexual encounters.
Not sure if this is the one you had in mind but the same point.
http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,30233.msg318259.html#msg318259
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I guess while you were playing patty cake with the moonbats in the lounge you missed the threads where the butt pluggers want to eliminate any and all testing for the AIDS virus from gays who donate blood. They feel discriminated against and have a complex.
That's a brilliant ******* idea.
and who was that dummy recently encouraging other dummys to LIE on blood/bone marrow donation forms about being teh gae, so that they could be included in a process that they are specifically excluded from for the exact reason of stopping the spread of this disease.
aids is not just another std, you moron...
^^^ oops, looks like others were thinking the same thing. i need to type faster...
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I wish I had saved the thread where one of the lovely homosexuals wanted to donate tainted blood. He was urging all the beautiful people to lie about their sexual encounters.
Read my first post in this thread (second reply after OP). Notice how she has yet to answer that question.
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I didn't fail to answer any question. All that says to me is that it passes easier through anal sex. Gay men probably have anal sex more than others, but it isn't something that only gay men do. I am more worried about taking care of the disease. Lung cancer probably happens more to smokers, but instead of labeling it as a smoker's disease, I am more concerned with treating it and finding a cure. I don't really blame people for the diseases they get. Heart disease for the fat?
Maybe I am just not used to hearing the term "butt pluggers". And more concerned with making it someone's fault. Instead of focusing on how to treat it.
Like hell you didn't answer my question. RIF, hon. Read it again.
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I didn't fail to answer any question. All that says to me is that it passes easier through anal sex. Gay men probably have anal sex more than others, but it isn't something that only gay men do. I am more worried about taking care of the disease. Lung cancer probably happens more to smokers, but instead of labeling it as a smoker's disease, I am more concerned with treating it and finding a cure. I don't really blame people for the diseases they get. Heart disease for the fat?
Maybe I am just not used to hearing the term "butt pluggers". And more concerned with making it someone's fault. Instead of focusing on how to treat it.
Easily accomplished.....stop having anal sex (or sharing needles) with HIV-positive men........problem solved.
Further, since AIDS is incurable, tattooing a "biohazard" symbol on the foreheads of anyone infected would be a step in the right direction.
doc
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Like hell you didn't answer my question. RIF, hon. Read it again.
Ok hon. Are you referring to your question about which group is the highest infected?
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Easily accomplished.....stop having anal sex (or sharing needles) with HIV-positive men........problem solved.
Further, since AIDS is incurable, tattooing a "biohazard" symbol on the foreheads of anyone infected would be a step in the right direction.
doc
Well then surely you'd want anyone with a transimittable disease to also have that tattoo?
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Ok hon. Are you referring to your question about which group is the highest infected?
That, as well as which group ACTIVELY seeks to spread HIV among its community, facilitated by sex parties at which said "bug-chasers" and "gift-givers" engage in unprotected sex SOLELY for the purpose of spreading HIV?
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HIV-AIDS preys on people who engage in behavior that many people see as immoral - especially people who have multiple partners or use IV drugs and don't follow sanitary rules.
Don't engage in that behavior or associate with people who do, and you've got a statistically insignificant chance of catching it.
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Well then surely you'd want anyone with a transimittable disease to also have that tattoo?
Were it contagious and incurable, sure. Common cold? Not so much.
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Well then surely you'd want anyone with a transimittable disease to also have that tattoo?
One that is both transmittable and incurable.....absolutely.....
doc
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Well then surely you'd want anyone with a transimittable disease to also have that tattoo?
dudes, i'm thinking you may inadvertently just "pushed a button" with our dear little soleil.
she apparently likes her "somthin, somthin" to include a visit from the back-doorman...
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That, as well as which group ACTIVELY seeks to spread HIV among its community, facilitated by sex parties at which said "bug-chasers" and "gift-givers" engage in unprotected sex SOLELY for the purpose of spreading HIV?
I've known of people purposely spreading the disease for scorned reasons. They weren't all gay.
And I already said that AIDS is easier spread through anal sex. Gay men probably have anal sex, so I am not sure what else you want me to say about that.
My point is not to label to disease, but to find a cure. That should be everyone's concern. I know people who have been affected through transfusions. They are older of course, but they don't care what kind of disease it is. They just want it to be cured. It is an epidemic. Advocate safe sex for everyone. It doesn't just affect gay men. Maybe more than others, but that doesn't matter. People are still getting HIV. Gay and straight.
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Was this addressed to me?
nope.
soleil.
the one dismissing aids as "just another std." the one trying to fluff off all concern about this disease being "just as common as getting a case of the crabs."
soleil.
that one...
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Gay men probably have anal sex...
wait. what?
really?
:rotf:
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I've known of people purposely spreading the disease for scorned reasons. They weren't all gay.
Again, thanks for not answering my question.
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Not sure if this is the one you had in mind but the same point.
http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,30233.msg318259.html#msg318259
No but that one is just as disgusting. The one I was referring to was about gays not being able to donate blood.
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Again, thanks for not answering my question.
What else do you want me to say? Of course it will be higher among gay men. The disease is spread easier through anal sex. Are you wanting me to admit that gay men are more likely to be the assholes to want to spread it on purpose? I won't admit that. I will admit that an asshole or deranged person will do that. That has nothing to do with being gay. That has to do with being a crappy person.
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I've known of people purposely spreading the disease for scorned reasons. They weren't all gay.
And I already said that AIDS is easier spread through anal sex. Gay men probably have anal sex, so I am not sure what else you want me to say about that.
My point is not to label to disease, but to find a cure. That should be everyone's concern. I know people who have been affected through transfusions. They are older of course, but they don't care what kind of disease it is. They just want it to be cured. It is an epidemic. Advocate safe sex for everyone. It doesn't just affect gay men. Maybe more than others, but that doesn't matter. People are still getting HIV. Gay and straight.
Some quibbles:
1. There is already more money being spent on AIDS research than the TOP THREE deadly diseases combined.....
2. AIDS is only an "epidemic" in the homo and drug world......the rest of us are not really at risk
3. Since safeguards are in place, infections through transfusions is nearly ZERO........
4. There are NO "older people" infected with AIDS......time between the HIV-pos/AIDS conversion to death is approximately three years, tops.....
Most of us believe that AIDS reasearch should be cut to zero......those that end up with the disease have "earned" it, through their own irresponsible actions......all those research dollars could be much better spent on cancer or heart disease.....which would help FAR more people.......
doc
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No but that one is just as disgusting. The one I was referring to was about gays not being able to donate blood.
I have no problem with anyone being able to donate blood. We need as much blood as we can get. It all needs to be screened for diseases of any kind that could be transmitted.
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Some quibbles:
1. There is already more money being spent on AIDS research than the TOP THREE deadly diseases combined.....
2. AIDS is only an "epidemic" in the homo and drug world......the rest of us are not really at risk
3. Since safeguards are in place, infections through transfusions is nearly ZERO........
4. There are NO "older people" infected with AIDS......time between the HIV-pos/AIDS conversion to death is approximately three years, tops.....
Most of us believe that AIDS reasearch should be cut to zero......those that end up with the disease have "earned" it, through their own irresponsible actions......all those research dollars could be much better spent on cancer or heart disease.....which would help FAR more people.......
doc
I know that transfusions are no longer really a risk. I do know an older woman who also got Hep C through a transfusion along with her HIV. So it does or did happen. She isn't too much longer for this world. It is amazing she is still alive actually.
And I can't believe anyone would think somoene "earned" AIDS or any other disease. Do you feel the same about smokers who get lung or throat cancer? What about fat people who die of a heart atack? I have more compassion than that.
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UGH!!!!
I just spent the last ten minutes or so going through the sewer of corn holers united.
I tried googling "gays should lie to donate blood" and "should gays be able to donate blood". I was trying to find the DU link.
I gave up.
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I know that transfusions are no longer really a risk. I do know an older woman who also got Hep C through a transfusion along with her HIV. So it does or did happen. She isn't too much longer for this world. It is amazing she is still alive actually.
And I can't believe anyone would think somoene "earned" AIDS or any other disease. Do you feel the same about smokers who get lung or throat cancer? What about fat people who die of a heart atack? I have more compassion than that.
Uhmm...smoke two packs a day for 30 years and odds are you will get some sort of smoking related disease whether it be cancer or emphysema.
Same goes for excessive alcohol consumption and liver disease.
Like it or not there are consequences to behaviors and the term "earned it" does apply.
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That just makes that person a shitty person. Those kind of people come in all shapes, forms, etc.
Damn near all fudge packers are democrats. There are rare exceptions just like there are rare exceptions to the risky behavior lifestyle in the ghey community. But for the most part they all voted dem.
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And I can't believe anyone would think somoene "earned" AIDS or any other disease. Do you feel the same about smokers who get lung or throat cancer? What about fat people who die of a heart atack? I have more compassion than that.
Let's look at it a slightly different way.......we have a "pot" of research dollars, for the sake of argument let's say 100 billion dollars.......
Should we spend 90% of it to research AIDS, which might effect 10% of the population.......
Or should we spend 90% of it to benefit diseases that will (eventually) effect 90% of the population?
Which would be the most "equitable"?
doc
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What else do you want me to say? Of course it will be higher among gay men. The disease is spread easier through anal sex. Are you wanting me to admit that gay men are more likely to be the assholes to want to spread it on purpose? I won't admit that. I will admit that an asshole or deranged person will do that. That has nothing to do with being gay. That has to do with being a crappy person.
Too bad--how about they admit it for you?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9237089
http://blog.ctnews.com/evans/more-about-the-gift-men-seeking-hiv/
Toots--THEY'VE MADE ****ING MOVIES ABOUT IT. Quit living in denial.
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UGH!!!!
I just spent the last ten minutes or so going through the sewer of corn holers united.
I tried googling "gays should lie to donate blood" and "should gays be able to donate blood". I was trying to find the DU link.
I gave up.
Easier to search here with specific keywords.
http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,27998.msg295745.html#msg295745
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I have no problem with anyone being able to donate blood. We need as much blood as we can get. It all needs to be screened for diseases of any kind that could be transmitted.
And what of people who have lived in Great Britain or the EU who can no longer donate? ASKING and getting HONEST ANSWERS is a whole lot cheaper, safer, and more reliable than testing.
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Uhmm...smoke two packs a day for 30 years and odds are you will get some sort of smoking related disease whether it be cancer or emphysema.
Same goes for excessive alcohol consumption and liver disease.
Like it or not there are consequences to behaviors and the term "earned it" does apply.
I will never say anyone earned a disease. Ever. Most people live an unhealthy lifestyle in some form or fashion. Saying someone earned it makes it sound like they are a bad person and they deserve it.
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UGH!!!!
I just spent the last ten minutes or so going through the sewer of corn holers united.
I tried googling "gays should lie to donate blood" and "should gays be able to donate blood". I was trying to find the DU link.
I gave up.
So you are opposed to a gay person donating blood?
Lifesaving blood?
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Let's look at it a slightly different way.......we have a "pot" of research dollars, for the sake of argument let's say 100 billion dollars.......
Should we spend 90% of it to research AIDS, which might effect 10% of the population.......
Or should we spend 90% of it to benefit diseases that will (eventually) effect 90% of the population?
Which would be the most "equitable"?
doc
I think the money should be spent on the diseases that are killing the most people. Cancer deserves a buttload of money for research. That doesn't mean I think AIDS research should be done away with. Not that that was said, but I never stated my opinion on the thread that posted for this discussion. I only stated that I had a problem with this being called a gay disease and the term "butt pluggers".
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I will never say anyone earned a disease. Ever. Most people live an unhealthy lifestyle in some form or fashion. Saying someone earned it makes it sound like they are a bad person and they deserve it.
Newsflash--my father just died a few months ago from lung cancer. He was a smoker since the age of 14. He blamed nobody but himself for his situation. IOW, he took PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY for his actions and the inevitable consequences of those actions, even when they cost him his life barely eight months form the time he was diagnosed until he died.
It may sound harsh, but he knew the risks of his continued behavior and knew what it would cost, yet continued to smoke until he was Stage 4 with tumors in his lungs, liver, and kidneys. Not a bad person, no--but take a little responsibility, eh?
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I will never say anyone earned a disease. Ever. Most people live an unhealthy lifestyle in some form or fashion. Saying someone earned it makes it sound like they are a bad person and they deserve it.
If you engage in activities known to be risky then you are responsible for the outcome,that isn`t to say a person deserves it exactly but it doesn`t change the fact that they knowingly brought on consequences that were inherent to the activity.
You are still caught up in the touchy feely mode of liberalism that wants to deny culpability for ones actions.
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Too bad--how about they admit it for you?
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9237089
http://blog.ctnews.com/evans/more-about-the-gift-men-seeking-hiv/
Toots--THEY'VE MADE ******* MOVIES ABOUT IT. Quit living in denial.
Well sweetie, if movies were made (because I know all those movies are fact) then you are 150% correct. I apologize for having an opinion. Excuse me.
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And what of people who have lived in Great Britain or the EU who can no longer donate? ASKING and getting HONEST ANSWERS is a whole lot cheaper, safer, and more reliable than testing.
Yet we are in short supply of blood. If it is my child? I don't give a rat's ass who it came from, as long as it is clean. Save my baby at all costs.
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Easier to search here with specific keywords.
http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,27998.msg295745.html#msg295745
Damn. I started that thread too.
Thanks.
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Newsflash--my father just died a few months ago from lung cancer. He was a smoker since the age of 14. He blamed nobody but himself for his situation. IOW, he took PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY for his actions and the inevitable consequences of those actions, even when they cost him his life barely eight months form the time he was diagnosed until he died.
It may sound harsh, but he knew the risks of his continued behavior and knew what it would cost, yet continued to smoke until he was Stage 4 with tumors in his lungs, liver, and kidneys. Not a bad person, no--but take a little responsibility, eh?
My grandfather died of throat cancer. 40 year smoker. To say that old time smokers knew is a bit dishonest because smoking then and smoking now is a little different in knowing the effects. I have no problem with taking responsibility. Just make it equal. A straight person having unprotected sex also earns AIDS, if that is how you look at it.
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So you are opposed to a gay person donating blood?
Lifesaving blood?
Abso****inloutely
You're free to use as much of it as you want but until they can screen for AIDS 30 seconds after infection you're welcome to it all.
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So you are opposed to a gay person donating blood?
Lifesaving blood?
You mean a death sentence for the recipient?
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So you are opposed to a gay person donating blood?
Lifesaving blood?
Yup--just like I'm opposed to a straight person who has patronized prostitutes giving blood, or IV drug users, or those who have come from certain African countries since 1977, lived in Europe since 1980 for more than 3 months (Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease), had hepatitis, TB less than two years after treatment, or even diabetes if on medication...and on, and on, and on.
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My grandfather died of throat cancer. 40 year smoker. To say that old time smokers knew is a bit dishonest because smoking then and smoking now is a little different in knowing the effects. I have no problem with taking responsibility. Just make it equal. A straight person having unprotected sex also earns AIDS, if that is how you look at it.
Sorry to hear that. My Mother died of cancer due to smoking. When did he die?
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Well sweetie, if movies were made (because I know all those movies are fact) then you are 150% correct. I apologize for having an opinion. Excuse me.
You're beginning to bore me, toots. You can have an opinion, but when it's the WRONG one, I expect you to come correct. Did you even bother to LOOK at the links I provided? Psychological studies? Surveys by the NIH and CDC?
Are you normally this ****ing dense?
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Yup--just like I'm opposed to a straight person who has patronized prostitutes giving blood, or IV drug users, or those who have come from certain African countries since 1977, lived in Europe since 1980 for more than 3 months (Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease), had hepatitis, TB less than two years after treatment, or even diabetes if on medication...and on, and on, and on.
You're assuming all people who donate blood will be honest.
Instead of focusing on who should be able to give blood, you should be more focused on the testing of donated blood. All clean blood is needed no matter who it comes from.
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Yet we are in short supply of blood. If it is my child? I don't give a rat's ass who it came from, as long as it is clean. Save my baby at all costs.
Yet there is a significant portion of the gay community that thinks they have the "right" to give tainted blood or blood which may or may not be at risk. You want to take that chance? Do you know how many people you put at risk for every pint of tainted blood in the system?
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My grandfather died of throat cancer. 40 year smoker. To say that old time smokers knew is a bit dishonest because smoking then and smoking now is a little different in knowing the effects. I have no problem with taking responsibility. Just make it equal. A straight person having unprotected sex also earns AIDS, if that is how you look at it.
My father wasn't an "old time" smoker. Try again.
So straight people "earns" AIDS, but gay people don't? Wow, you really ARE deluded.
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Sorry to hear that. My Mother died of cancer due to smoking. When did he die?
Well to be honest, it was a rough year all around. He died in May of 1996. My brother died in August of 1996. My great-grandmother died in November of 1996. Never thought my great-grandmother would outlive my brother. Life is screwy.
It was a rough death for him. Started out as throat cancer that spread. He even had that throat talker thing. Sorry, I don't know the correct term for it, but it was freaky. It made my father give up his long time habbit. It was a slow death for him. Cigarettes.
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Yet we are in short supply of blood. If it is my child? I don't give a rat's ass who it came from, as long as it is clean. Save my baby at all costs.
And place everyone else at risk.
Pretty ****ing selfish of you, don't you think?
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You're assuming all people who donate blood will be honest.
Instead of focusing on who should be able to give blood, you should be more focused on the testing of donated blood. All clean blood is needed no matter who it comes from.
You set a bar at a certain level rather than just assume that the tests will catch everything.
Kind of a, "trust, but verify" kinda deal.
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You're beginning to bore me, toots. You can have an opinion, but when it's the WRONG one, I expect you to come correct. Did you even bother to LOOK at the links I provided? Psychological studies? Surveys by the NIH and CDC?
Are you normally this ******* dense?
No, I didn't look at your links. I am not being dense.
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I think the money should be spent on the diseases that are killing the most people. Cancer deserves a buttload of money for research. That doesn't mean I think AIDS research should be done away with. Not that that was said, but I never stated my opinion on the thread that posted for this discussion. I only stated that I had a problem with this being called a gay disease and the term "butt pluggers".
Well....it isn't....55% of the available research dollars are presently being spent on HIV/AIDS.....why? Because homosexuals are loud and influential, and the liberal/progressives that enable them amplify the effect.......
Since only about 10% of the population is at risk for HIV/AIDS.....only 10% should be spent.....in research terms, essentially ZERO......
And with the exception of IV drug users (who most of us don't give a damn about anyway) AIDS IS a gay disease......don't beleive the propaganda spouted by the GLBT bunch.....its a lie......
doc
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Yet there is a significant portion of the gay community that thinks they have the "right" to give tainted blood or blood which may or may not be at risk. You want to take that chance? Do you know how many people you put at risk for every pint of tainted blood in the system?
But you are assuming that all straight people are donating good blood. There is a risk for every person out there.
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Well to be honest, it was a rough year all around. He died in May of 1996. My brother died in August of 1996. My great-grandmother died in November of 1996. Never thought my great-grandmother would outlive my brother. Life is screwy.
It was a rough death for him. Started out as throat cancer that spread. He even had that throat talker thing. Sorry, I don't know the correct term for it, but it was freaky. It made my father give up his long time habbit. It was a slow death for him. Cigarettes.
Newsflash--they knew the hazards of smoking even in the 1950's when he and my father started. By the 1960's there was no doubt at all, which is why they banned TV and radio advertising in 1971.
Next?
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My father wasn't an "old time" smoker. Try again.
So straight people "earns" AIDS, but gay people don't? Wow, you really ARE deluded.
I never said anyone "earned" AIDS. In fact I said no one earns a disease.
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People who engage in unsafe sex pass it around proficiently. It is a disease that strikes many people. Most of whom have unsafe sex. It is basically an STD like all others are, except it can be more lethal than others. It could strike you or me just the same as it could a gay man (if we were to have unprotected sex with someone infected). I do realize that it may pass easier through anal sex, but I also know that many heterosexual people have anal sex too. So, to me, it is an STD that passes on through unsafe sex. I don't put labels on it other than that.
You have older homosexuals in San Francisco horrified that the younger generation has the attitude that "AIDS is manageable" in this day and age, so they have random sex without a condom, bath-houses are making a comeback and so on, now tell me why AIDS funding should be increased? why should it receive more money then say pancreatic research?
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But you are assuming that all straight people are donating good blood. There is a risk for every person out there.
I never said that. If straight people can't meet the risk factors, they don't donate either.
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Newsflash--they knew the hazards of smoking even in the 1950's when he and my father started. By the 1960's there was no doubt at all, which is why they banned TV and radio advertising in 1971.
Next?
You are so argumentative.
If you are saying that people knew back then what we know now about cigarettes, you are fooling yourself.
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No, I didn't look at your links. I am not being dense.
Oh, so you're being obtuse WILLINGLY. Got it.
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Soleil,you are clinging to a leftist myth that has no basis in logic,fact or reason but is a desperate attempt to hide the consequences and ramifications of the free sex/drug culture of he 60s.
Liberals don`t give a rats ass about anyones health but are hell bent on pushing a hedonistic and amoral lifestyle.
You have bought into it without thinking of the actual realities of things.
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You are so argumentative.
If you are saying that people knew back then what we know now about cigarettes, you are fooling yourself.
And you're so deluded. People DID know there were risks.
Hey, if you don't want to argue, there's an "OFF" button on your computer.
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Soleil,you are clinging to a leftist myth that has no basis in logic,fact or reason but is a desperate attempt to hide the consequences and ramifications of the free sex/drug culture of he 60s.
Liberals don`t give a rats ass about anyones health but are hell bent on pushing a hedonistic and amoral lifestyle.
You have bought into it without thinking of the actual realities of things.
You mean like telling 10-year olds to go out and bang like bunnies but don't worry about the kids they'll be making? That sort of disconnect?
Yeah, I hear ya.
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And you're so deluded. People DID know there were risks.
Hey, if you don't want to argue, there's an "OFF" button on your computer.
Right, I got ya. There is a way to have a discussion though without being argumentative.
So many things have come out about cigarettes since then. Risks being one thing. They had labels then. We know much much more about cigarettes, their ingredients, and their real addictive nature today than they had a clue about then.
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You mean like telling 10-year olds to go out and bang like bunnies but don't worry about the kids they'll be making? That sort of disconnect?
Yeah, I hear ya.
I am not all about pushing someone to have an "amoral" lifestyle. Ever. I have morals. I don't push them on anyone one way or the other.
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Right, I got ya. There is a way to have a discussion though without being argumentative.
So many things have come out about cigarettes since then. Risks being one thing. They had labels then. We know much much more about cigarettes, their ingredients, and their real addictive nature today than they had a clue about then.
Well then, why don't you ****ing practice them then? I provide you evidence, links, studies, and you ignore them.
Kinda hard to give a shit about someone who pisses and moans about "discussion" when they're acting like a ri-tard, plugging their ears and going, "NYAHNYAHNYAH!!!!"
You want to be taken seriously around here? LOOK and UNDERSTAND at what people are trying to tell you, instead of playing your bullshit, "No it isn't!" games.
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I am not all about pushing someone to have an "amoral" lifestyle. Ever. I have morals. I don't push them on anyone one way or the other.
Ah, yes--the, "It's not my problem" type.
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I never said anyone "earned" AIDS. In fact I said no one earns a disease.
I said it.....and I mean it......nobody that is homosexual hasn't been aware of the prevalence of the disease for fifteen bloody years at least.......
Therefore, if you engage in promiscuous, random, homosexual sex......you are "earning" the disease......the rates of infection among homosexuals has been well known for decades......
And for the record, HIV can be sometimes managed with retroviral drugs.....once it transitions to AIDS....you're a walking dead person.....
doc
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Let's look at it a slightly different way.......we have a "pot" of research dollars, for the sake of argument let's say 100 billion dollars.......
Should we spend 90% of it to research AIDS, which might effect 10% of the population.......
Or should we spend 90% of it to benefit diseases that will (eventually) effect 90% of the population?
Which would be the most "equitable"?
doc
or how about we look at it in "political reality."
1) you have your dummys over here. they will pull the "all dummy all the time" lever in each and every election just because it is what they do.
2) you have conservatives over there. they will consider all positions, but then probably as not vote conservative every time (but not always, see "obama" if you have any questions...)
3) then there is that interesting mix of homos, illegals (don't ask why, but they vote too,) feminists, felons, bums, students (babies, really,) retards, anarchists and whatnot... that actually get to decide elections.
the american political process is not all that dissimilar to any given episode of the tv show "survivor."
pandering to the fringe, supporting the "cause du jure" is the way to get elected.
liberals know this more than anyone. lying, playing on emotion, their "innability to recall" any mis-steps of their policy is how they sometmes win. yet everytime they do "pull one over" on america, the population quickly recovers and votes them out in the next election cycle.
the only real problem, when liberals do screw the country over in a presidential election, is when their side maybe gets to put a justice on the supreme court. its a good thing that real americans are a hearty bunch... and only liberal justices retire or die during liberal periods. so the supreme court will always be a 5-4 place of business. good business, smart business.
so. does the government misspend billions of dollars to attract the votes of the degenerates of society to get reelected? they do.
is that right? no way.
will it ever stop? not as long as there are liberals. liberals would rather waste it all to save one crack-whore than 10,000 contributing members of society.
and that's the way it is...
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Ah, yes--the, "It's not my problem" type.
What should I have a problem with? Men having sex with each other?
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Well to be honest, it was a rough year all around. He died in May of 1996. My brother died in August of 1996. My great-grandmother died in November of 1996. Never thought my great-grandmother would outlive my brother. Life is screwy.
It was a rough death for him. Started out as throat cancer that spread. He even had that throat talker thing. Sorry, I don't know the correct term for it, but it was freaky. It made my father give up his long time habbit. It was a slow death for him. Cigarettes.
Wow that was a rough year. Sorry you had to endure it.
You do know that during your Grandfathers 40 years of smoking that there were 31 years of warning labels on each and every pack he choked down.
I smoked for 34 years, 32 of them with warnings. I knew they were bad, I could feel they were bad, there were times I coughed so hard I passed out but that didn't stop me. I was Addicted.
I finally stopped when I had to be hospitalized, put into a coma on a respirator for 8 days. I woke up in an entirely different hospital than the one I went out in, unable to walk or use my hands. It took me 2 months to recover enough to get on an airplane to go home. Another month to get back to work.
I was also cured from smoking. I still have to worry about cancer though. Seems it runs in the family and I sorta put myself at risk. It's nobodies fault but my own. I know that and I'll accept it if it happens.
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I said it.....and I mean it......nobody that is homosexual hasn't been aware of the prevalence of the disease for fifteen bloody years at least.......
Therefore, if you engage in promiscuous, random, homosexual sex......you are "earning" the disease......the rates of infection among homosexuals has been well known for decades......
And for the record, HIV can be sometimes managed with retroviral drugs.....once it transitions to AIDS....you're a walking dead person.....
doc
And that sometimes is pretty damned rare. Magic Johnson is an exception, not the rule.
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What should I have a problem with? Men having sex with each other?
Social mores--if you're not willing to defend them, you have none.
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Boy I type slow....
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Social mores--if you're not willing to defend them, you have none.
So that is a yes?
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Boy I type slow....
Me too! Trying to keep up.
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What should I have a problem with? Men having sex with each other?
That would be a good place to start........we tend to look at such activity with disgust for a variety of reasons.....
doc
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So that is a yes?
(sigh)...seriously, unless you're a natural blonde, this isn't playin.
It goes a whole lot deeper than who plugs who in the ass. Which is probably one of the reasons society IS in fact going to hell in a handbasket--people just want to close their eyes and pretend it isn't their problem.
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soleil,
as my bud melvin udall once said:
"Where do they teach you to talk like this? In some Panama City sailor wana hump hump bar or is this getaway day, and your last shot at his whiskey. Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here."
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(sigh)...seriously, unless you're a natural blonde, this isn't playin.
It goes a whole lot deeper than who plugs who in the ass. Which is probably one of the reasons society IS in fact going to hell in a handbasket--people just want to close their eyes and pretend it isn't their problem.
I just don't get that. You want to force your morals on other people. What is right about that?
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It's not about morals, its about public safety.
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I just don't get that. You want to force your morals on other people. What is right about that?
Sounds like you were asleep in college when you should have been going to your Sociology class.
And FWIW, the gay agenda ISN'T forcing THEIR morals on ME? Do tell?
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I just don't get that. You want to force your morals on other people. What is right about that?
No....we don't give a damn what they do.....just keep it to themselves (translation: no "parades").....and when you get AIDS, don't cry to us to either pay for your care, or help you find a cure, so that you can go back to your perverted lifestyle without risk of dying from it.....which is really what this is all about.....
doc
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It's not about morals, its about public safety. You want the Red Cross to spend untold amounts of money testing every single drop of blood they collect? You can say goodbye to the Red Cross, because they'll be bankrupt.
soleil doesn't give a crap what it costs all of the good people of america.
soleil only cares that all of the degenerates of society get theirs. they may be 100. they may be 10,000.
the rest of america, the millions? f them...
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No....we don't give a damn what they do.....just keep it to themselves (translation: no "parades").....and when you get AIDS, don't cry to us to either pay for your care, or help you find a cure, so that you can go back to your perverted lifestyle without risk of dying from it.....which is really what this is all about.....
doc
There has been no mention of the AIDS rate amongst gay women. If it is a gay disease and all.
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I edited my comment. The Red Cross does test samples of all their blood donations. It takes up to 24 hours for them to respond to a positive diagnosis according to their website.
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No....we don't give a damn what they do.....just keep it to themselves (translation: no "parades").....and when you get AIDS, don't cry to us to either pay for your care, or help you find a cure, so that you can go back to your perverted lifestyle without risk of dying from it.....which is really what this is all about.....
doc
no, doc.
liberals get all up in arms and upset when "smokers" cause their own problems. "smokers!" f them. tax them. they bring this onto themselves.
butt pluggers, well they don't...
ummm... wait...
ummm... never mind...
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I edited my comment. The Red Cross does test samples of all their blood donations. It takes up to 24 hours for them to respond to a positive diagnosis according to their website.
So, what do you think about that?
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I edited my comment. The Red Cross does test samples of all their blood donations. It takes up to 24 hours for them to respond to a positive diagnosis according to their website.
And yet it can take several months after infection to develop the antibodies which are what the HIV tests look for.
ETA: So, what do you think about that?
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And yet it can take several months after infection to develop the antibodies which are what the HIV tests look for.
ETA: So, what do you think about that?
I think HIV can take up to 3 months to show up in testing.
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I'm not interested in taking chances with my life when it comes to blood donations. Yes, each donation is tested, but why NOT eliminate the problem at the beginning? Why allow a high-risk group to donate in the first place? If it hurts your feelings that an entire group is painted with a broad brush based on the activity of a few, that's not my problem. I think current and former prisoners should be prevented from donating blood as well. Hepatitis is not difficult to find in a county jail or federal prison. They are part of a high-risk group, and should be barred from putting the rest of us at risk.
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And yet it can take several months after infection to develop the antibodies which are what the HIV tests look for.
ETA: So, what do you think about that?
i'm guessing soleil is ok spreading this horrible disease amongst americans, given the limitations of testing, as long as we don't "unfairly" "discriminate" about those giving tainted blood.
i mean, what is a case of aids or two. as long as all homos get to feel the "satisfaction" of "giving..."
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I'm not interested in taking chances with my life when it comes to blood donations. Yes, each donation is tested, but why NOT eliminate the problem at the beginning? Why allow a high-risk group to donate in the first place? If it hurts your feelings that an entire group is painted with a broad brush based on the activity of a few, that's not my problem. I think current and former prisoners should be prevented from donating blood as well. Hepatitis is not difficult to find in a county jail or federal prison. They are part of a high-risk group, and should be barred from putting the rest of us at risk.
By eliminating all those possible donors, you are also eliminating a lot of good blood that saves lives. Many more lives.
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I'm not interested in taking chances with my life when it comes to blood donations. Yes, each donation is tested, but why NOT eliminate the problem at the beginning? Why allow a high-risk group to donate in the first place? If it hurts your feelings that an entire group is painted with a broad brush based on the activity of a few, that's not my problem. I think current and former prisoners should be prevented from donating blood as well. Hepatitis is not difficult to find in a county jail or federal prison. They are part of a high-risk group, and should be barred from putting the rest of us at risk.
And these factors are the primary reason that most non-critical surgery patients donate their own blood in advance of a procedure, just to be certain.
doc
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II think current and former prisoners should be prevented from donating blood as well. Hepatitis is not difficult to find in a county jail or federal prison. They are part of a high-risk group, and should be barred from putting the rest of us at risk.
They are--or are at least deferred. Anyone who has been incarcerated for more than 72 hours within the previous 12 months is not allowed to donate.
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By eliminating all those possible donors, you are also eliminating a lot of good blood that saves lives. Many more lives.
bullshit.
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I hardly consider it "good" blood if the odds of contracting a disease from that group is higher than the general population.
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By eliminating all those possible donors, you are also eliminating a lot of good blood that saves lives. Many more lives.
Tell ya what--you want it--YOU TAKE IT. And don't come crying the poorass to us when you end up with Hep-C, HIV, etc...
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By eliminating all those possible donors, you are also eliminating a lot of good blood that saves lives. Many more lives.
There are ample supplies of blood in this country......there is no shortage, unless some disaster occurs......and whole blood has a shelf life, it can't be kept indefinitely.
There is no reason to open up donation to high-risk donors when there is no requirement to do so.
doc
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Tell ya what--you want it--YOU TAKE IT. And don't come crying the poorass to us when you end up with Hep-C, HIV, etc...
Right. Because they usually give that blood to people. The testing is all one big joke.
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Right. Because they usually give that blood to people. The testing is all one big joke.
Did you not read what has been stated upthread about the time between infection and sufficient antibodies to be detectable? Ever heard of a "false negative"?
Do you LIKE playing with loaded guns against your head?
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Did you not read what has been stated upthread about the time between infection and sufficient antibodies to be detectable? Ever heard of a "false negative"?
Do you LIKE playing with loaded guns against your head?
No I like to throw away a whole lot of good blood.
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the liberal attitude that is of soleil is...
"la dee da, la dee da..."
well yes, of course some of your aids-infected blood is going to enter the system. but what can we do about that? we have to let all willing donors contribute. even those that KNOW that their contribution is probably contaminated. because "maybe" those six dudes i butt-f'ked me in that gae porn cinema were telling the truth about being monogamous.
i don't know. maybe they were telling the truth...
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Right. Because they usually give that blood to people. The testing is all one big EXPENSIVE joke.
Fixed it for you; and I think I identified the root of your problem with this: having butt-pluggers, et.al, self identify in order to reduce contamination risk among the general population doesn't cost a single taxpayer dime. Liberals can't claim to be generous and caring when there's no taxpayer money paying for expensive lab tests to catch what could have been caught for free with a simple question or six.
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No I like to throw away a whole lot of good blood.
Tell ya what--we'll let JSRM (Joe Shit the Rag Man) do surgery on ya next time, too--hell, he WANTS to do it, and how do you know he wouldn't do a good job? Just because he doesn't meet the standards is no reason not to let him operate on you, right?
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soleil.
i started a whole "appreciation" thread about you. about someone who doesn't care if you give your aids to one of us.
i don't get that. apparently, you do. ???
keep your aids, soleil.
please...
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Hey, and look at all those needles we waste instead of recycling, and I don't mean just the ones the doctor's office snaps off and throws in the medical waste. Many junkies don't have serious diseases (yet).
Seriously. WTF? They won't let you donate blood if there is even a very modest chance you were exposed to Mad Cow Disease by living for an extended time in areas where the handful of known cases occurred. How many rubbers would people buy if they knew they were 95% effective (Not that far from the biological odds with unprotected sex, actually)? Who wants to get in a sub that only has catastrophic pressure hull welding failures 'Sometimes?' Who wants to get in a passenger plane with one pilot who has a heart condition and actually pays attention to flying the plan 'Most of the time?'
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What should I have a problem with? Men having sex with each other?
You think this behavior should be considered normal? Sometimes you just have to draw the line between what is good and evil.
Take a stand for something.
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By eliminating all those possible donors, you are also eliminating a lot of good blood that saves lives. Many more lives.
You Solely and family head out to vacation with relatives, a huge family Reunion.
You head out with the kids and Hubby for a week and when you get to your destination find that the Airline has lost some of your luggage.
The home of the relatives hosting the Reunion is 20 miles from the nearest house, stores are 20 more miles further away.
You and family are thrilled to see family you have not seen in 10 years, meet new wives, husbands, and children.
The suitcases with clothing for the family arrived but the bag of personal items is gone. No problem, all are family just borrow from one of them.
One member of the family PO'D for some reason with everone in the family at night slips a card under the bedroom door of everyone ----The card reads " BEWARE, there are 2 people here with AIDS "
Now the fun begins, for blood family, they all look at the in laws and yes their children as suspects. Yes they know about their own and this is where they question the conduct of their own family. For those marrying into the family with small kids, the problem is even worse. Who do they trust to change their baby, feed them or even play with them,?
Uncle Joe just had his teeth pulled and is salivating like mad, sometimes there is a drop of blood in the tissues, and he at 60 years old never married.
One of the female cousins at 16 dresses as a slut and hits up all the older men in the family for a --[small loan-]
Your Aunt has the most adorable twins age 5 that she adopted from Africa last year. These children want to play with your 5 year old.
Since you have lost all personal products you inquire if anyone as a bran new Razor for Hubby's face and your legs. No one has a unused razor or new toothbrushes you are forced to try to borrow one from the relatives that is used. Remember that everyone got the same notice, who is going to lend you their only tooth brush or razor.?
Last night there was a horrific storm that washed out the bridge to town, it will be a week before you can get to the store.
There is plenty of food but who will chop the vegetables and perhaps cut themselves.?
You catch your Hubby in what may or may not be a comprising situation with your sister who has had 6 husbands and a druggie.
One of the in laws brought along a son that just got out of jail after a year and you find him smelling your panties in the to be washed bin.
I forgot to mention your two younger brothers that are into the Goth movement and drink each others blood. They both have sleeve tattoos and a bone in their nose.
Heck My Dear, who gives a damn how Aids is spread, drugs, needles, tattooing, sex or blood and body fluids.
Had the people of Europe not gone on a Cat killing craze the Black Plague would not have killed millions.
Who's it going to be for the two Aids carriers.??
This one is easy, the Aids victims are you and hubby who are unaware that after the accident 3 months ago when a drunk driver hit you, the life saving blood given to you was tainted.
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Vesta: Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor??
CC: Forget it, she's rolling.
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Just an exercise in human dynamics when Aids comes to call.
You see that all the family members were at risk of this disease for life style, but the only people to have the disease got it from no falt of their own.
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Uh, hello? Are you on something we should know about?
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Kinda sounds like the start of a poorly-organized porn novel, if you ask me.
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Just an exercise in human dynamics when Aids comes to call.
You see that all the family members were at risk of this disease for life style, but the only people to have the disease got it from no falt of their own.
From transfusions of tainted blood. Blood that should not have been donated. Isn't that the point being made here?
Soliel- you said you'd do whatever it takes to save your baby. All parents feel that way. But how are you saving her, if instead you give her a short, painful, incurable life of HIV? Could you really do that to your child?
Be honest- would you?
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Kinda sounds like the start of a poorly-organized porn novel, if you ask me.
Sounded like a DU meet-up.
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Sounded like a DU meet-up.
Thats what ROCKURWORLD posted a link to. heh.
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Uh, hello? Are you on something we should know about?
Yes Sparky, I have 4 kids that I worry about, all are adult and I have no idea what any of them are up to.
What am I to tell them, at their age my generation had a shot of Penicillin to take care of most indiscretions.
Very few parents my age go looking for medical advice on Herpes, Clap or Syphilis's. or speak to their kids on the problem, they leave it to the schools sex-ed classes.
I am so far behind the Herpes and Aids it is ridiculous.
You have to realise that my generation had few if any STD's to worry about---Getting pregnant was the worse of the worse for us.
I did not go to nursing school until I was 30 + = WHAT A SHOCK, rotation took me to public health in Norfork VA.
Early 1980's and Aids had just reared its ugly head.
The medical world went into a crazed time. No one knew really how Aids spread at the time and some poor gay kid hit by a car was treated by doctors and nurses wearing bio-hazd suits.
We nurses in training had a problem with everyone. when we questioned our teachers about the children who had Aids they became crazed saying the children had been molested .
Years later a coworker came to me telling me they had contacted Herpies.This is a disease old as the hills but I had to research it...
Listen up here Sparky, you can date for a year and be married 3 years to a woman with that disease, One day that demon will arise and change your life forever.
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You think this behavior should be considered normal? Sometimes you just have to draw the line between what is good and evil.
Take a stand for something.
***Warning Graphic pics***
http://www.zombietime.com/folsom_sf_2007_part_1/ (http://www.zombietime.com/folsom_sf_2007_part_1/)
I guess she isn't going to look at the link and answer my question on is this normal?
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I guess she isn't going to look at the link and answer my question on is this normal?
Well I'll answer just because I feel like it-NO it's not normal, it's disgusting and abnormal. And to a point what these perverts do IS the rest of society's business because they want their perversion "normalised", let alone merely "tolerated". What perversion will society be expected next to "tolerate" (normalise, celebrate) in order to prevent offending the perverts? Perverts tear the fabric of strong societies, and societies can't be strong when they're indecent and perverted. History has shown this. Some level of perversion has been "tolerated" under the radar in most societies, but until the plague of political correctness, common sense told people that to openly tolerate (or as in 21st century American society, be forced to celebrate) perversion could bring nothing but weakness and decadence to society.
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I guess she isn't going to look at the link and answer my question on is this normal?
WOW! I clicked on that link and I've never seen behavior like that in my life. Call me naive, but what about obscenity laws? why aren't they enforced? and you can't tell me there were no kids around when this was going on. I've never been so disgusted.
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WOW! I clicked on that link and I've never seen behavior like that in my life. Call me naive, but what about obscenity laws? why aren't they enforced? and you can't tell me there were no kids around when this was going on. I've never been so disgusted.
You know I really believe that if there were no Christians in that area then God would probably do another Sodom and Gomorrah on that place. Stuff like that has to come straight from Hell.
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You know I really believe that if there were no Christians in that area then God would probably do another Sodom and Gomorrah on that place. Stuff like that has to come straight from Hell.
I'm literally in shock, I've been to Zombietime before and saw disgusting anti-war demonstration pics, but I never saw the Folsom Street Fair link.
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I'm literally in shock, I've been to Zombietime before and saw disgusting anti-war demonstration pics, but I never saw the Folsom Street Fair link.
Zombie time actually cleaned it up. It was worse the last time I looked at it. It had pics of people in apartments above the street masturbating onto the crowd.
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Off to fight club Kiddies.
Play nice.
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WOW! I clicked on that link and I've never seen behavior like that in my life. Call me naive, but what about obscenity laws? why aren't they enforced? and you can't tell me there were no kids around when this was going on. I've never been so disgusted.
Obscene by SF standards is someone in a suit and tie who votes Republican.
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Yes Sparky, I have 4 kids that I worry about, all are adult and I have no idea what any of them are up to.
What am I to tell them, at their age my generation had a shot of Penicillin to take care of most indiscretions.
Very few parents my age go looking for medical advice on Herpes, Clap or Syphilis's. or speak to their kids on the problem, they leave it to the schools sex-ed classes.
I am so far behind the Herpes and Aids it is ridiculous.
You have to realise that my generation had few if any STD's to worry about---Getting pregnant was the worse of the worse for us.
I did not go to nursing school until I was 30 + = WHAT A SHOCK, rotation took me to public health in Norfork VA.
Early 1980's and Aids had just reared its ugly head.
The medical world went into a crazed time. No one knew really how Aids spread at the time and some poor gay kid hit by a car was treated by doctors and nurses wearing bio-hazd suits.
We nurses in training had a problem with everyone. when we questioned our teachers about the children who had Aids they became crazed saying the children had been molested .
Years later a coworker came to me telling me they had contacted Herpies.This is a disease old as the hills but I had to research it...
Listen up here Sparky, you can date for a year and be married 3 years to a woman with that disease, One day that demon will arise and change your life forever.
Vesta, are you equating AIDS with Herpes? And would that be type I or II? Lets face it you can get a cold sore ( herpes type I IIRC) from kissing your old maid aunt. And type ii from kissing.....well lets not go there. AIDS? Well, lets just say in most cases you get that from an exchange of bodily fluids transfered in a different manner. Herpes while uncomfortable is not fatal. Full blown AIDS is.
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I haven't read all this thread yet, but let me mention before I forget, it was Warpy who recommended lying on the blood/marrow donation forms.
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"butt pluggers"?
So, AIDS is still a gay disease?
It most certainly is a predominately homosexual disease. Do you have something that says otherwise?
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From transfusions of tainted blood. Blood that should not have been donated. Isn't that the point being made here?
Soliel- you said you'd do whatever it takes to save your baby. All parents feel that way. But how are you saving her, if instead you give her a short, painful, incurable life of HIV? Could you really do that to your child?
Be honest- would you?
If it's all in the name of feel-good pc liberalism, she'd do it in a heartbeat.
Liberals are liberals first, their first loyalty is to liberalism. The body count from it is not important.
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All of this reminds me of the late, great Sam Kinison. He did a comedy routine back in 1990 that talked about AIDS, oddly enough. Since Sam had taken so much crap from the Lavender Mafia about his very vocal stance on buggery and all of it's many peculiar quirks.
At any rate, Sam had received criticism because his jokes were "medically incorrect". At this particular show (which was recorded and distributed under the title "Leader of the Banned"), he decided to correct the record.
According to Sam, one of the "medically correct" ways you can catch AIDS is by receiving a large load of infected semen up the ass and another is shooting up with someone who likes to suck dick for drug money.
Thus, the queers no longer had a reason to bitch about his routines.
Sam Kinison - funny, irreverent, and "medically correct".
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There has been no mention of the AIDS rate amongst gay women. If it is a gay disease and all.
Well that's because lesbian sex is less risky and women aren't as promiscuous. But, by trying to make the argument "it's everybody's disease" you do a disservice to those most vulnerable. Trying to make this an "equal opportunity" disease you don't focus on those things that truly can make gay men safe (or safer). Were it simply an "anal sex" disease it would be MORE prevalent among straight and even bisexual people. This is an important issue for me because it's personal.
My best friend is gay. We have such an uncanny connection that we know when something is wrong with each other. We were going to college in the bay area when this whole thing started. For a while, when they truly didn't know what caused it (there was even speculation it could be poppers if you can believe that), it seemed like we were losing a friend every week. And it was scary. The accepted myth has become it was Reagan's fault because he didn't care (yeah, like living and working in Hollywood he didn't have any gay friends).
But I was there. The government suspected it had something to do with the bath houses and asked them to, at least temporarily, close them until they knew more. The owners REFUSED because they were making money hand over fist, especially around the weekend of the gay freedom parade. They asked if the organizers would at least pass out fliers at the parade to be careful, especially at the bath houses. Again, they refused.
People came from all over the US and saw bath houses as a place where they could let loose and have scads and wads of anonymous sex. Then they'd take the virus back with them. Imagine the difference had those who were supposedly advocating for gay men had been willing to take these simple steps. But no, rather than protect them, even though it meant losing money, they just blamed Reagan and it's now part of the gay/liberal myth. To this day advocacy groups still don't admit complicity.
Luckily, my friend has never been promiscuous and didn't engage in risky sex. Thank God, because my life would not have been as rich had I lost him when everyone around us was dying. After that, for whatever reason, it became an "everyone can get it" disease. Had the disease spread as fast as the fear and rumors, it would be much more prevalent among heterosexuals. Had advocates not tried to be so damn politically correct by spreading the fear so many lives could have been saved.
Cindie
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Well that's because lesbian sex is less risky and women aren't as promiscuous. But, by trying to make the argument "it's everybody's disease" you do a disservice to those most vulnerable. Trying to make this an "equal opportunity" disease you don't focus on those things that truly can make gay men safe (or safer). Were it simply an "anal sex" disease it would be MORE prevalent among straight and even bisexual people. This is an important issue for me because it's personal.
My best friend is gay. We have such an uncanny connection that we know when something is wrong with each other. We were going to college in the bay area when this whole thing started. For a while, when they truly didn't know what caused it (there was even speculation it could be poppers if you can believe that), it seemed like we were losing a friend every week. And it was scary. The accepted myth has become it was Reagan's fault because he didn't care (yeah, like living and working in Hollywood he didn't have any gay friends).
But I was there. The government suspected it had something to do with the bath houses and asked them to, at least temporarily, close them until they knew more. The owners REFUSED because they were making money hand over fist, especially around the weekend of the gay freedom parade. They asked if the organizers would at least pass out fliers at the parade to be careful, especially at the bath houses. Again, they refused.
People came from all over the US and saw bath houses as a place where they could let loose and have scads and wads of anonymous sex. Then they'd take the virus back with them. Imagine the difference had those who were supposedly advocating for gay men had been willing to take these simple steps. But no, rather than protect them, even though it meant losing money, they just blamed Reagan and it's now part of the gay/liberal myth. To this day advocacy groups still don't admit complicity.
Luckily, my friend has never been promiscuous and didn't engage in risky sex. Thank God, because my life would not have been as rich had I lost him when everyone around us was dying. After that, for whatever reason, it became an "everyone can get it" disease. Had the disease spread as fast as the fear and rumors, it would be much more prevalent among heterosexuals. Had advocates not tried to be so damn politically correct by spreading the fear so many lives could have been saved.
Cindie
For many years, blood given at blood banks was not adequately checked for AIDS.
There was a time, when the largest contingent of blood donors...were "bums" looking for money for a bottle of MD20/20! or college kids looking for extra money, or the homeless looking for food money.
Because blood donations were not adequately checked.....people receiving transfusions - for whatever reason....were getting AIDS. My best friend's stepson was a hemopheliac who got a bad bag of factor. He was 17. Brilliant, popular, a great artist and writer, STRAIGHT. Died at 27.
Doctors and nurses got AIDS, because they took care of people who had AIDS....and no one knew it. The surgeon who cut herself during surgery on an AIDS patient...but didn't think anything about it because it was the late 70's and no one knew that much about HIV/AIDS.
The women who gave birth to HIV-infected babies because the mother didn't know she was infected.
AIDS isn't a homosexual disease.
It's a disease that is most prevalent in the homosexual population.
There's a difference.
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But, without homosexuals, the disease most likely could have been contained and eradicated. We have managed to do that with other diseases that are transmitted much more easily.
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But, without homosexuals, the disease most likely could have been contained and eradicated. We have managed to do that with other diseases that are transmitted much more easily.
AIDS is NEVER going to be conquered.
It's a great big cash cow to the medical/pharmaceutical community.
HIV/AIDS drugs are incredibly expensive....and lots of money goes into research for them. Long term medical care is required so it's an annuity for doctors and care facilties. Patient has to have special guidelines followed to prevent inadvertently spreading the disease - masks, private rooms, paper gowns, latex gloves, etc, etc, etc.
Just as the common cold and cancer are never going to go away completely....neither is HIV/AIDS.
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Luckily, my friend has never been promiscuous and didn't engage in risky sex. Thank God, because my life would not have been as rich had I lost him when everyone around us was dying. After that, for whatever reason, it became an "everyone can get it" disease. Had the disease spread as fast as the fear and rumors, it would be much more prevalent among heterosexuals. Had advocates not tried to be so damn politically correct by spreading the fear so many lives could have been saved.
Cindie
Actually this was the result of the GLBT/liberal/MSM /PC crowd insisting that the truth about the propagation of HIV/AIDS never be directly attributed to the gay community for fear of public backlash. In fact this effort resulted in passage of numerous laws preventing governments from tracing infected people "to protect their privacy".
To this day HIV positive persons (depending on state) have a great deal of protection from publicity, far in excess of those having other infectious diseases that might also pose a health risk to the public at large. In most states HIV/AIDS sufferers are NOT required to declare that they are infected to health care professionals, of any kind......doctors, nurses, dentists, etc., all are now at much elevated risk, because they have "no right to know" that a potential patient is HIV positive.......which not only places the health profession at higher risk, but akso potentially risks everyone else that they treat.
It went so far in the mid-80's as to include public affairs TV and radio commercials as well as inclusion in public school health cirricula, as though it were a disease that was a general public risk......all of which was a complete fabrication. With the exclusion of transfusion risk, HIV/AIDS has never been a risk to the public at large, and in the US at least, the number of new infections resulting from OTHER that homosexual contact, or IV drug use is so close to zero as to be statisticly insignificant.
When you objectivly consider that IV drug users are destined to remove themselves from the public in a variety of ways that may or may not include HIV/AIDS, they essentially become self-expendable.......
Leaving only homosexuals as the primary problem with this disease.......
doc
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AIDS is NEVER going to be conquered.
It's a great big cash cow to the medical/pharmaceutical community.
HIV/AIDS drugs are incredibly expensive....and lots of money goes into research for them. Long term medical care is required so it's an annuity for doctors and care facilties. Patient has to have special guidelines followed to prevent inadvertently spreading the disease - masks, private rooms, paper gowns, latex gloves, etc, etc, etc.
Just as the common cold and cancer are never going to go away completely....neither is HIV/AIDS.
I doubt that it will be conquered, but that doesn't mean that it could not have been stopped soon after it's introduction to the US. At least after it was identified.
As for cancer, I think there is still a chance of finding cures for most forms. Maybe if half the money spent on AIDS research were to spent on it.
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AIDS is NEVER going to be conquered.
It's a great big cash cow to the medical/pharmaceutical community.
HIV/AIDS drugs are incredibly expensive....and lots of money goes into research for them. Long term medical care is required so it's an annuity for doctors and care facilities. Patient has to have special guidelines followed to prevent inadvertently spreading the disease - masks, private rooms, paper gowns, latex gloves, etc, etc, etc.
Just as the common cold and cancer are never going to go away completely....neither is HIV/AIDS.
I'm not going to argue with the bolded part, however most of the rest is essentially BS.....
The reason that HIV does now, and will resist a cure, is that it is not unlike the "common cold"....it is a virus that every time it infects a host, it combines partially with the DNA of the host, therefore mutating into a completely different strain of virus. Every HIV infection is therefore unique, and retroviral drugs that fight it become obsolete in months, as the disease changes its form to the point where the drugs are ineffective.
The same mutation charactistic also defies developing an effective vaccine, as virtually each infection is unique, and therefore the search for a vaccine is largely an effort in futility.
At some time in the far distant future, a "synthetic counter virus" night be developed which would force the HIV virus to mutate into a form that is benign, and therefore no longer fatal, but the likelyhood of that happening in the near future is unlikely.
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Very well said, those of us who were around when AIDS 1st came about know the true story, not the "made up we have to feel good about ourselves liberal revisionist history" of the epidemic. Also I want to bring up something else that's ticked me off, the Catholic Church built the 1st AIDS wing in the US so that AIDS patients wouldn't have to die alone and they would die with dignity, and how were they paid back? by having ACT-UP invading St. Patrick's Cathedral and spitting the host out of their mouths and onto the floor.
Well that's because lesbian sex is less risky and women aren't as promiscuous. But, by trying to make the argument "it's everybody's disease" you do a disservice to those most vulnerable. Trying to make this an "equal opportunity" disease you don't focus on those things that truly can make gay men safe (or safer). Were it simply an "anal sex" disease it would be MORE prevalent among straight and even bisexual people. This is an important issue for me because it's personal.
My best friend is gay. We have such an uncanny connection that we know when something is wrong with each other. We were going to college in the bay area when this whole thing started. For a while, when they truly didn't know what caused it (there was even speculation it could be poppers if you can believe that), it seemed like we were losing a friend every week. And it was scary. The accepted myth has become it was Reagan's fault because he didn't care (yeah, like living and working in Hollywood he didn't have any gay friends).
But I was there. The government suspected it had something to do with the bath houses and asked them to, at least temporarily, close them until they knew more. The owners REFUSED because they were making money hand over fist, especially around the weekend of the gay freedom parade. They asked if the organizers would at least pass out fliers at the parade to be careful, especially at the bath houses. Again, they refused.
People came from all over the US and saw bath houses as a place where they could let loose and have scads and wads of anonymous sex. Then they'd take the virus back with them. Imagine the difference had those who were supposedly advocating for gay men had been willing to take these simple steps. But no, rather than protect them, even though it meant losing money, they just blamed Reagan and it's now part of the gay/liberal myth. To this day advocacy groups still don't admit complicity.
Luckily, my friend has never been promiscuous and didn't engage in risky sex. Thank God, because my life would not have been as rich had I lost him when everyone around us was dying. After that, for whatever reason, it became an "everyone can get it" disease. Had the disease spread as fast as the fear and rumors, it would be much more prevalent among heterosexuals. Had advocates not tried to be so damn politically correct by spreading the fear so many lives could have been saved.
Cindie
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Were it simply an "anal sex" disease it would be MORE prevalent among straight and even bisexual people. This is an important issue for me because it's personal
You might want to rewrite.... um.. never mind.
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You might want to rewrite.... um.. never mind.
:bow2: :blonde:
Cindie
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lol
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AIDS is NEVER going to be conquered.
It's a great big cash cow to the medical/pharmaceutical community.
HIV/AIDS drugs are incredibly expensive....and lots of money goes into research for them. Long term medical care is required so it's an annuity for doctors and care facilties. Patient has to have special guidelines followed to prevent inadvertently spreading the disease - masks, private rooms, paper gowns, latex gloves, etc, etc, etc.
Just as the common cold and cancer are never going to go away completely....neither is HIV/AIDS.
Yep. Totally agree.
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Leftists will never forgive God for not making AIDS and airborne disease. They SOOOO needed it to be an airborne disease.
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Leftists will never forgive God for not making AIDS and airborne disease. They SOOOO needed it to be an airborne disease.
I can only guess that is aimed at me, but that is the most ridiculous statement ever.
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I can only guess that is aimed at me, but that is the most ridiculous statement ever.
As if you count?
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As if you count?
I love how you claim to be all Christian. lol.
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Leftists will never forgive God for not making AIDS and airborne disease. They SOOOO needed it to be an airborne disease.
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Of course, since God did not let the Little Goon Leftists intimidate Him, the Little Goons Leftists decided to be dishonest (OH MY!) and create their own false reality for the masses to consume. AIDS was a plague we were all going to suffer. Just because.
Unfortunately, normal people knew they had little or no chance of catching the Homosexual Disease, so there was no panic or uprising. Normal people knew the truth about AIDS.
It was the real god of the Leftists, Fidel Castro, who handled the AIDS thing as it should have been. He put the AIDS infected homosexuals in an asylum to die. He got those dirty folks away from the general population. As a result, AIDS was almost wiped out in Cuba.
The politics of AIDS was 1000 times more important to the Little Goons than saving even one life could ever be. Ideology above all else. Little Goon Leftists really are Satan's Soldiers. They do his bidding even if it means they themselves are going to die.
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I have had two members of my very small family die from HIV. One was due to lifestyle, and the other was not. Both were just so sad. I witnessed my Grandparents bury a son, and my Aunt bury another. Regardless of all of the other crap that has been spewed on this thread, I can say this. Dying from HIV complications is a horrid way to die, whether you are 50, or 10. And being the one, who survives, after keeping all the pieces together for the past family members and the current still living ones, sucks as well.
I wouldn't wish it on anyone. I could give a F-all about any politics of the disease from either side of this spectrum. The disease sucks. People die. And that sucks too.
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I have had two members of my very small family die from HIV. One was due to lifestyle, and the other was not. Both were just so sad. I witnessed my Grandparents bury a son, and my Aunt bury another. Regardless of all of the other crap that has been spewed on this thread, I can say this. Dying from HIV complications is a horrid way to die, whether you are 50, or 10. And being the one, who survives, after keeping all the pieces together for the past family members and the current still living ones, sucks as well.
I wouldn't wish it on anyone. I could give a F-all about any politics of the disease from either side of this spectrum. The disease sucks. People die. And that sucks too.
I had a friend and coworker die from AIDS in 1990 after surgery. She was a wonderful woman. Through no fault of her own. It was someone else's lifestyle that killed her. I remain very bitter about it.
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I had a friend and coworker die from AIDS in 1990 after surgery. She was a wonderful woman. Through no fault of her own. It was someone else's lifestyle that killed her. I remain very bitter about it.
I lack the bitter gene. I have been told I would be easier to accept if I could just get bitter and pissy about something, but truly, as long as you don't cut me off in traffic, or drink my last beer or cup of coffee, I am pretty mellow about most stuff.
I guess having been personally witness for so many deaths....AIDS, Cancer, Suicide, and so forth and so on, I just grieve for the loss. The cause isn't as important as it's effect. And I don't wish any of it on anyone.
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I lack the bitter gene. I have been told I would be easier to accept if I could just get bitter and pissy about something, but truly, as long as you don't cut me off in traffic, or drink my last beer or cup of coffee, I am pretty mellow about most stuff.
I guess having been personally witness for so many deaths....AIDS, Cancer, Suicide, and so forth and so on, I just grieve for the loss. The cause isn't as important as it's effect. And I don't wish any of it on anyone.
That is the truth. Caring about people and suffering is what is all about, at least to me. GOOD people die of AIDS, cancer, everything. You can blame whoever, but I do know this as a Christian, that God wants me to care about people. All people. The people He put on this earth that DO count.
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I lack the bitter gene. I have been told I would be easier to accept if I could just get bitter and pissy about something, but truly, as long as you don't cut me off in traffic, or drink my last beer or cup of coffee, I am pretty mellow about most stuff.
I guess having been personally witness for so many deaths....AIDS, Cancer, Suicide, and so forth and so on, I just grieve for the loss. The cause isn't as important as it's effect. And I don't wish any of it on anyone.
I got shorted the Hate Gene, so I'm allowed to be bitter. I know it was a long time ago and the (political) science of AIDS was barely off the ground then, but still, her death, like all AIDS deaths, can be traced back to selfish uncaring homosexual behavior. When you take it all to it's logical beginnings, it is enough to make the kindest of souls like me a little bitter.
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I got shorted the Hate Gene, so I'm allowed to be bitter. I know it was a long time ago and the (political) science of AIDS was barely off the ground then, but still, her death, like all AIDS deaths, can be traced back to selfish uncaring homosexual behavior. When you take it all to it's logical beginnings, it is enough to make the kindest of souls like me a little bitter.
How did your friend get AIDS? A transfusion?
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I love how you claim to be all Christian. lol.
I have a more legitimate claim to the label of "Christian" as a follower of the recorded precepts of my Saviour Jesus Christ, than does someone who disregards those of His words which don't fit their agenda. To be a "Christian" is to be a follower of Christ-just what is one claiming to follow when they dismiss His words, instructions, and precepts? He Himself said that He didn't come to destroy the Law but to fulfill it (Matthew 5:17). Of all the kinds of "hatred" a human can have, surely the ultimate hatred is that which for their own personal comfort and convenience allows them to never speak the truth to someone which might open their eyes to eternal consequences. Did you know that Jesus Himself preached on hell and eternal consequences more than any other topic? How is it love, real love, to be unwilling to risk the ridicule and abuse of those who don't want their comfort zone breached, in order to try to turn them from the path to eternal perdition? Godly love isn't the kind that makes me feel all good and warm and fuzzy about myself, and gives me a smugness about my "tolerance", it's the love that propels me to speak the truth, the truth as Jesus defined it, to try to turn a sinner, in love, from the path to an eternity of punishment. Think about it-eternity is a long long time. There's no recourse once life is gone. How can any warm fuzzy "feeling" and reluctance to leave my own comfort zone, matter more than trying to turn a person's feet from that path? How can a Christian, holding these beliefs, do otherwise?
And don't misunderstand-no Christian would ever try to force this belief on anyone, because Christian salvation doesn't work that way. That doesn't mean we don't have a right to have a voice in the kind of society we want our children to live in-one of strength and decency, or one of weakness and decadence.
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I have a more legitimate claim to the label of "Christian" as a follower of the recorded precepts of my Saviour Jesus Christ, than does someone who disregards those of His words which don't fit their agenda. To be a "Christian" is to be a follower of Christ-just what is one claiming to follow when they dismiss His words, instructions, and precepts? He Himself said that He didn't come to destroy the Law but to fulfill it (Matthew 5:17). Of all the kinds of "hatred" a human can have, surely the ultimate hatred is that which for their own personal comfort and convenience allows them to never speak the truth to someone which might open their eyes to eternal consequences. Did you know that Jesus Himself preached on hell and eternal consequences more than any other topic? How is it love, real love, to be unwilling to risk the ridicule and abuse of those who don't want their comfort zone breached, in order to try to turn them from the path to eternal perdition? Godly love isn't the kind that makes me feel all good and warm and fuzzy about myself, and gives me a smugness about my "tolerance", it's the love that propels me to speak the truth, the truth as Jesus defined it, to try to turn a sinner, in love, from the path to an eternity of punishment. Think about it-eternity is a long long time. There's no recourse once life is gone. How can any warm fuzzy "feeling" and reluctance to leave my own comfort zone, matter more than trying to turn a person's feet from that path? How can a Christian, holding these beliefs, do otherwise?
And don't misunderstand-no Christian would ever try to force this belief on anyone, because Christian salvation doesn't work that way. That doesn't mean we don't have a right to have a voice in the kind of society we want our children to live in-one of strength and decency, or one of weakness and decadence.
I know the teachings of Christ. I am a Christian. Jesus was a man of love. A man of forgiveness. A man who loved his worst enemies.
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Let us remember Ryan White and what the corn hole lovers did to him.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryan_White
Ryan Wayne White (December 6, 1971 – April 8, 1990)[1] was an American teenager from Kokomo, Indiana who became a national poster child for HIV/AIDS in the United States, after being expelled from middle school because of his infection. A hemophiliac, he became infected with HIV from a contaminated blood treatment and, when diagnosed in December 1984, was given six months to live. Doctors said he posed no risk to other students, but AIDS was poorly understood at the time, and when White tried to return to school, many parents and teachers in Kokomo rallied against his attendance.[2] A lengthy legal battle with the school system ensued, and media coverage of the case made White into a national celebrity and spokesman for AIDS research and public education. He appeared frequently in the media with celebrities such as Elton John, Michael Jackson and Phil Donahue. Surprising his doctors, White lived five years longer than predicted and died in April 1990, one month prior to his high school graduation.
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Typical Little Goon. Even Our Lord Jesus Christ must be molded to fit her view of Him!
Jesus spoke of hell and damnation (especially for those who worship liberalism). Jesus was hardly all sweetness & lollipops.
oh, and BTW, Jesus had a temper.
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I know the teachings of Christ.
Really? Then tell me how the teachings of Our Savior square against your views of abortion and homosexuality as put forth by the party you serve.
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I know the teachings of Christ. I am a Christian. Jesus was a man of love. A man of forgiveness. A man who loved his worst enemies.
Yes, He forgave those who repented and sought forgiveness. It wasn't some "blanket amnesty". If you recall, he told only the thief on the cross next to him who repented that he would be with Him in paradise-not the thief who died unrepentant in his sin. God is merciful, but He is also just and holy. He doesn't condemn sinners to eternal hell, they condemn themselves through their own unrepentance and sin. Jesus died and rose after three days to give man the route to forgiveness and to heaven, but the onus is upon man to accept it. He said that He stands at the door and knocks, but we must open the door, He doesn't force His way in.
Homosexuality is abhorrent in God's eyes, according to His own words, not only because of the surface sexual sin, but because of the underlying rebellion. God considered this sin so abhorrent that He destroyed two cities over it. Homosexuality, and especially societal acceptance-or worse, celebration-of it, is rebellion against God's mandated order and tantamount to spitting in His eye.
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But, without homosexuals, the disease most likely could have been contained and eradicated. We have managed to do that with other diseases that are transmitted much more easily.
Guytaan Gaetan Dugas..."Patient Zero"...gay Canadian airline steward...there were AIDS breakouts in all the cities all over the world where he went. He would hit all the gay hot spots in those cities....and even after he knew he had it, that it was a virus and that he was probably spreading it, he continued to spread it.
Now I'll do a search and see if I spelled his name correctly and remember correctly.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ga%C3%ABtan_Dugas
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I can only guess that is aimed at me, but that is the most ridiculous statement ever.
Honestly, I think he would've said that whether you'd been here or not.
Cindie
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soliel- you still haven't answered. Someone who's been there said
Dying from HIV complications is a horrid way to die,
Are you willing to risk that for your baby, by allowing everyone to donate blood?
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I know the teachings of Christ. I am a Christian. Jesus was a man of love. A man of forgiveness. A man who loved his worst enemies.
He also spoke about how hard it is to get into Heaven. Just because He loved everyone (and why wouldn't He, His father made them) didn't mean he'd forgive people who were unrepentant. And remember, He's also the man who told his disciples to sell their cloak and buy a sword. He got rather testy with the money changers. And “Think not that I came to send peace on the earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law†Matthew 10:34-35
He was the Word made flesh. IOW, that hard stuff in the OT still counts. You can't just pick and choose the parts that fit your ideology...He came so that YOU could change to fit His ideology.
Cindie
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Typical Little Goon. Even Our Lord Jesus Christ must be molded to fit her view of Him!
Jesus spoke of hell and damnation (especially for those who worship liberalism). Jesus was hardly all sweetness & lollipops.
oh, and BTW, Jesus had a temper.
I am smiling as I write this, you are so correct about Jesus.
HE was not a weak feminine man as HE is so often depicted in paintings, no beautiful glowing blond locks of hair or sad insipid blue eyes.
This man was a Jew who came from 4-5 races. Was he not descended from the queen of Ethiopia??
He must have had a big time hissy fit when he alone barged into his temple and beat up the money changers. Is it any wonder the Rabies became upset with him HIM after that.??
There are a few other passages I will have to look up as I remember in one he went to a mountain top to meditate and speak with GOD. His mother Mary most likely feed up with his strange, to her life, went looking for Him and demanded to know what he was doing.
In the language of today she jacked him up with a " Your father needs you in the shop to help him. He turned to her and said " Woman,--- [ sort of like calling your mother Lady] " My father is in heaven."
Taking the times and the humans involved I do not know how the family of Jesus survived his childhood or the short adulthood that is chronicled.
Fancy having a child born under mysterious circumstances, having to flee the country to keep him alive. as the years go on more children are born that are very unlike your first.
This first born turns up at the very young age of 12 walking into temple and lecturing the Rabies that have taught their faith for 8,000 years or so.
This young boy grows into a man few can understand in his own family. Those outside the family come running to tell his mother that her son has cured a Leaper of a disease worse than Aids today. He in one case rose the dead and another turned water into wine.
I can almost imagine Mary and Joseph rolling their eyes when their eldest son brings home a prostitute for dinner, gathers a crowd of people and tells the men to abandon their ageing parents and young children to follow HIM.
Soleil wrote :::: He's also the man who told his disciples to sell their cloak and buy a sword. He got rather testy with the money changers. And “Think not that I came to send peace on the earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law†Matthew 10:34-35
NO I do not understand all this, there are hundreds of written books or eye wittiness accounts that have never been made public.
Where the heck and what was the Son Of GOD doing all the missing years.?
2,000 years of humans trying to make sense of what little written words we have of his life, a slight miss stroke of the pen back 1,000 years ago can completely change the meaning of the ancient texts.
Christianity today is a beautiful faith, but, if one takes selected pieces from it, it is no worse then the Islam faith.
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Typical Little Goon. Even Our Lord Jesus Christ must be molded to fit her view of Him!
Jesus spoke of hell and damnation (especially for those who worship liberalism). Jesus was hardly all sweetness & lollipops.
oh, and BTW, Jesus had a temper.
Yup. I'd love to have some DUmp monkey have to listen to the Money Changer's guild tell their side of how "tolerant" the Savior was sometime.
Perhaps when they're going through "Orientation" at the gates of Hell? :popcorn:
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I am smiling as I write this, you are so correct about Jesus.
HE was not a weak feminine man as HE is so often depicted in paintings, no beautiful glowing blond locks of hair or sad insipid blue eyes.
This man was a Jew who came from 4-5 races. Was he not descended from the queen of Ethiopia??
He must have had a big time hissy fit when he alone barged into his temple and beat up the money changers. Is it any wonder the Rabies became upset with him HIM after that.??
There are a few other passages I will have to look up as I remember in one he went to a mountain top to meditate and speak with GOD. His mother Mary most likely feed up with his strange, to her life, went looking for Him and demanded to know what he was doing.
In the language of today she jacked him up with a " Your father needs you in the shop to help him. He turned to her and said " Woman,--- [ sort of like calling your mother Lady] " My father is in heaven."
Taking the times and the humans involved I do not know how the family of Jesus survived his childhood or the short adulthood that is chronicled.
Fancy having a child born under mysterious circumstances, having to flee the country to keep him alive. as the years go on more children are born that are very unlike your first.
This first born turns up at the very young age of 12 walking into temple and lecturing the Rabies that have taught their faith for 8,000 years or so.
This young boy grows into a man few can understand in his own family. Those outside the family come running to tell his mother that her son has cured a Leaper of a disease worse than Aids today. He in one case rose the dead and another turned water into wine.
I can almost imagine Mary and Joseph rolling their eyes when their eldest son brings home a prostitute for dinner, gathers a crowd of people and tells the men to abandon their ageing parents and young children to follow HIM.
Soleil wrote :::: He's also the man who told his disciples to sell their cloak and buy a sword. He got rather testy with the money changers. And “Think not that I came to send peace on the earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law†Matthew 10:34-35
NO I do not understand all this, there are hundreds of written books or eye wittiness accounts that have never been made public.
Where the heck and what was the Son Of GOD doing all the missing years.?
2,000 years of humans trying to make sense of what little written words we have of his life, a slight miss stroke of the pen back 1,000 years ago can completely change the meaning of the ancient texts.
Christianity today is a beautiful faith, but, if one takes selected pieces from it, it is no worse then the Islam faith.
Actually, as Jesus' family was from the Galilee region, it's quite possible that He had the beautiful blue-green eyes that the people from that region were historically noted for having.
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Yup. I'd love to have some DUmp monkey have to listen to the Money Changer's guild tell their side of how "tolerant" the Savior was sometime.
Perhaps when they're going through "Orientation" at the gates of Hell? :popcorn:
He was tolerant. Anyone who can forgive someone who is crucifying them is a very forgiving and tolerant person. He wasn't tolerant to unkindness though. And He wasn't tolerant to turning the other cheek. But He was much more accepting of all people than anyone is today.
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He also spoke about how hard it is to get into Heaven. Just because He loved everyone (and why wouldn't He, His father made them) didn't mean he'd forgive people who were unrepentant. And remember, He's also the man who told his disciples to sell their cloak and buy a sword. He got rather testy with the money changers. And “Think not that I came to send peace on the earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law†Matthew 10:34-35
He was the Word made flesh. IOW, that hard stuff in the OT still counts. You can't just pick and choose the parts that fit your ideology...He came so that YOU could change to fit His ideology.
Cindie
I know what His teachings are. And they were of love, and no one knows but He who is and isn't repentent. I mean let's talk divorce (for the most part), smoking, drinking, etc. All these are sinful. So, no I am not cherry picking, no one, not one single person, is free of sin. We feel more disdain for certain sins (murder,etc.), but if we are talking picking and and choosing, isnt' that what we are doing here?
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I am smiling as I write this, you are so correct about Jesus.
HE was not a weak feminine man as HE is so often depicted in paintings, no beautiful glowing blond locks of hair or sad insipid blue eyes.
This man was a Jew who came from 4-5 races. Was he not descended from the queen of Ethiopia??
He must have had a big time hissy fit when he alone barged into his temple and beat up the money changers. Is it any wonder the Rabies became upset with him HIM after that.??
There are a few other passages I will have to look up as I remember in one he went to a mountain top to meditate and speak with GOD. His mother Mary most likely feed up with his strange, to her life, went looking for Him and demanded to know what he was doing.
In the language of today she jacked him up with a " Your father needs you in the shop to help him. He turned to her and said " Woman,--- [ sort of like calling your mother Lady] " My father is in heaven."
Taking the times and the humans involved I do not know how the family of Jesus survived his childhood or the short adulthood that is chronicled.
Fancy having a child born under mysterious circumstances, having to flee the country to keep him alive. as the years go on more children are born that are very unlike your first.
This first born turns up at the very young age of 12 walking into temple and lecturing the Rabies that have taught their faith for 8,000 years or so.
This young boy grows into a man few can understand in his own family. Those outside the family come running to tell his mother that her son has cured a Leaper of a disease worse than Aids today. He in one case rose the dead and another turned water into wine.
I can almost imagine Mary and Joseph rolling their eyes when their eldest son brings home a prostitute for dinner, gathers a crowd of people and tells the men to abandon their ageing parents and young children to follow HIM.
Soleil wrote :::: He's also the man who told his disciples to sell their cloak and buy a sword. He got rather testy with the money changers. And “Think not that I came to send peace on the earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law†Matthew 10:34-35
NO I do not understand all this, there are hundreds of written books or eye wittiness accounts that have never been made public.
Where the heck and what was the Son Of GOD doing all the missing years.?
2,000 years of humans trying to make sense of what little written words we have of his life, a slight miss stroke of the pen back 1,000 years ago can completely change the meaning of the ancient texts.
Christianity today is a beautiful faith, but, if one takes selected pieces from it, it is no worse then the Islam faith.
He likely didn't "beat" anything. He gathered thrushes that were present at the scene, so you could look them up if you wanted to. They wouldn't be suffucuent for that task. . However, they would have been useful if Jesus had been shooing animals out of the front of the temple. He had the moral authority, Shame and a gentle push is all that would have beeb necessary.
His addressing his mother as "woman" was not a perjorative in the sense we would understand it.
Yes, Jesus would have seemed an oddity, but now you doubt the faith of Mary, when her faith only maybe ever wained as Jesus hung on the cross.
He was also a rabbi, and more than a few men in hostory have married "prostitutes".
As far as what he was doing. Joseph was likely teaching him his trade. Jesus probably played with the other village kids, he attended school and and worshipped at the temple. I don't know this but if he grew up as a human child, he certainly did these things, they are not listed because they are mundane and would be understood.
I would point out that Mohammed did not die to save anyone who believed in his faith. Instead he encouraged that it should be spread by the sword. Engaged in war crimes, rape, child rape, first degree murder, and theft. All according to either his own words or the words of his followers. His authority came from the sword. Jesus authority cam from being morally right. They are as far apart two men can be.
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I know what His teachings are. And they were of love, and no one knows but He who is and isn't repentent. I mean let's talk divorce (for the most part), smoking, drinking, etc. All these are sinful. So, no I am not cherry picking, no one, not one single person, is free of sin. We feel more disdain for certain sins (murder,etc.), but if we are talking picking and and choosing, isnt' that what we are doing here?
We know that any sin not washed away through repentance and salvation by the Blood of the Lamb can land us in the destination of all sin-Hell, and that all sins are equal in that respect. That doesn't mean that they're all equal in societal consequences, or even in invoking God's righteous wrath. Stealing a Coke from the store is sin, and so is murder, but they don't have the same consequences as crimes. Nor do they have the same effect on society. And God Himself appears to find some sin more abhorrent-not more likely to land one in Hell than others, but more abhorrent. He didn't destroy cities for high murder rates, but for homosexuality. The sin for which He most often, almost always, punished and smote the children of Israel for was that of worshipping other gods.
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I know what His teachings are. And they were of love, and no one knows but He who is and isn't repentent. I mean let's talk divorce (for the most part), smoking, drinking, etc. All these are sinful. So, no I am not cherry picking, no one, not one single person, is free of sin. We feel more disdain for certain sins (murder,etc.), but if we are talking picking and and choosing, isnt' that what we are doing here?
Oh, and yes we can have clues as to who is repentant-
Matthew 7:16-20 (King James Version)
16Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
If a person blithely and unashamedly continues in an active homosexual lifestyle, it's safe to assume that they're unrepentant.
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I know what His teachings are. And they were of love, and no one knows but He who is and isn't repentent. I mean let's talk divorce (for the most part), smoking, drinking, etc. All these are sinful. So, no I am not cherry picking, no one, not one single person, is free of sin. We feel more disdain for certain sins (murder,etc.), but if we are talking picking and and choosing, isnt' that what we are doing here?
Yes they were of love, but not ONLY of love. The same God wrote both the new and old Testaments. No, I'm not picking and choosing. My point wasn't to pick and choose but to show Jesus was a lot more complicated than the peace, love, and commune guy the left tries to make him out to be every time they trot Jesus out. Much sacrifice is expected from those who follow Him. The Bible, like the Constitution, isn't a living, breathing document we can insert whatever beliefs we choose or whatever is fashionable at the moment.
Cindie
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We know that any sin not washed away through repentance and salvation by the Blood of the Lamb can land us in the destination of all sin-Hell, and that all sins are equal in that respect. That doesn't mean that they're all equal in societal consequences, or even in invoking God's righteous wrath. Stealing a Coke from the store is sin, and so is murder, but they don't have the same consequences as crimes. Nor do they have the same effect on society. And God Himself appears to find some sin more abhorrent-not more likely to land one in Hell than others, but more abhorrent. He didn't destroy cities for high murder rates, but for homosexuality. The sin for which He most often, almost always, punished and smote the children of Israel for was that of worshipping other gods.
Blasphemy is the only unforgiven sin. We will all stand in judgement, and thankfully it will be God judging us and no one else. Sodom and Gomarrha are a different story. I don't believe homosexuality is what destroyed those cities, but pride, fornication, and evil doings of all kinds.
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Blasphemy is the only unforgiven sin. We will all stand in judgement, and thankfully it will be God judging us and no one else. Sodom and Gomarrha are a different story. I don't believe homosexuality is what destroyed those cities, but pride, fornication, and evil doings of all kinds.
This is why you don't matter. This is why you don't count. You cannot be honest. You cannot bring yourself to admit acting on ones homosexuality is an evil sin. You want to put your words in God's mouth. It doesn't work. You don't work. You must be a spiritually sick person.
Here's a clue to help you face reality: Sodomy was named after the city destroyed by God. Sodomy is not illegal gaming tables and bathtub gin.
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Blasphemy is the only unforgiven sin. We will all stand in judgement, and thankfully it will be God judging us and no one else. Sodom and Gomarrha are a different story. I don't believe homosexuality is what destroyed those cities, but pride, fornication, and evil doings of all kinds.
Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is the only unforgiveable sin
Mark 3:2929 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation
All sin is "unforgiven" if the sinner is unrepentant has never asked for forgiveness. It's a conscious, individual, positive action that must be taken, not a passive universal one.
Only those whose die unrepentant in their sins will be judged on their sin, those who have asked for and received forgiveness in repentance will not be judged for their sin. Their names will be in the Book of Life and they will not be subject to that judgement.
I know those who support the homosexual agenda are always trying to twist the plain meaning of Scripture into something else, but it can't be rationally done. One of the first things a Bible scholar learns is that we are to accept the plain sense of Scripture first.
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Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is the only unforgiveable sin
Mark 3:2929 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation
All sin is "unforgiven" if the sinner is unrepentant has never asked for forgiveness. It's a conscious, individual, positive action that must be taken, not a passive universal one.
Only those whose die unrepentant in their sins will be judged on their sin, those who have asked for and received forgiveness in repentance will not be judged for their sin. Their names will be in the Book of Life and they will not be subject to that judgement.
I know those who support the homosexual agenda are always trying to twist the plain meaning of Scripture into something else, but it can't be rationally done. One of the first things a Bible scholar learns is that we are to accept the plain sense of Scripture first.
Have you ever read "Prayers for Bobby"? Just curious. I read it back in 1998 for my Cultural Diversity class in college when I was 20. It is a good but sad read.
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Have you ever read "Prayers for Bobby"? Just curious. I read it back in 1998 for my Cultural Diversity class in college when I was 20. It is a good but sad read.
No I haven't, but I already had an idea what it would be about even before I googled it to find out, and I wasn't surprised.
Your argument against God's verdict on homosexuality isn't with me, it's with Him. if you don't believe His own words about, you may as well dismiss the rest of the Bible, and put His Son Jesus on a par with other "good men". Only you can't even do that, because how could a man be good if he told such outrageous lies about Himself as to call Himself God's Son and claim to have died for our sins and arose after three days?
I'm sure the story might pluck at the heartstrings, but that's one of the tactic the left-and the homosexual lobby- uses to gain support for their agenda. Even more heartrending than a mother opposing the life her homosexual child has chosen, is a mother seeing her homosexual child deliberately walk the broad path to eternal perdition. You tell me which is more important-the drop in the sea which is a human lifespan, or the boundless shore which is eternity.
Of course, if you don't believe in God and eternity and a decision to make which will determine one's eternity, that's different. You may as well do anything you like, within the bounds of the society in which you live. But you did say that you're a Christian.
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No I haven't, but I already had an idea what it would be about even before I googled it to find out, and I wasn't surprised.
Your argument against God's verdict on homosexuality isn't with me, it's with Him. if you don't believe His own words about, you may as well dismiss the rest of the Bible, and put His Son Jesus on a par with other "good men". Only you can't even do that, because how could a man be good if he told such outrageous lies about Himself as to call Himself God's Son and claim to have died for our sins and arose after three days?
I'm sure the story might pluck at the heartstrings, but that's one of the tactic the left-and the homosexual lobby- uses to gain support for their agenda. Even more heartrending than a mother opposing the life her homosexual child has chosen, is a mother seeing her homosexual child deliberately walk the broad path to eternal perdition. You tell me which is more important-the drop in the sea which is a human lifespan, or the boundless shore which is eternity.
Of course, if you don't believe in God and eternity and a decision to make which will determine one's eternity, that's different. You may as well do anything you like, within the bounds of the society in which you live. But you did say that you're a Christian.
Are you as outspoken against divorce, lying, greediness, drunkeness, lusting, etc., as you are about homosexuality?
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Are you as outspoken against divorce, lying, greediness, drunkeness, lusting, etc., as you are about homosexuality?
If there was a political agenda to raise the status of any of those in my society, I would be, as needed. But even then, again, all sins are equally sin in as much as they will send you to hell-but all sins are not equal. There are sins which are utterly repugnant to society, and until relatively recently, this was common sense to all decent people. Bestiality would be one, pedophilia another. Of course, I don't support lying, divorce, drunkeness (I don't drink), adultery. I think it's weakened the church and weakened our moral force to have allowed these things to become tolerated in the last decades.
But adulterers aren't parading in the streets in obscene garb and showing everyone who will look just how perverted they can be.
And God didn't destroy two cities over murder. (Though He did destroy the entire population other than Noah and family over sin in general--I have wondered how He hasn't yet destroyed the present population over the sickness in our present world).
Homosexuality is repugnant to God, repellent to most people (at least until after years of "normalising" it), and destructive to a healthy and decent society.
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Have you ever read "Prayers for Bobby"? Just curious. I read it back in 1998 for my Cultural Diversity class in college when I was 20. It is a good but sad read.
Have you ever read "Lamb: The Gospel Accoring to Biff"(Christ's Childhood Friend)? Really funny book. And, like "Prayers for Bobby", has absolutely nothing to do with the true Jesus.
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So you are opposed to a gay person donating blood?
Lifesaving blood?
I am opposed to a gay giving blood. Just as I am opposed to heterosexuals who engage in risky behavior giving blood. There is no room for political correctness when it comes to things like this.
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I am opposed to a gay giving blood. Just as I am opposed to heterosexuals who engage in risky behavior giving blood. There is no room for political correctness when it comes to things like this.
The whole political correctness thing should be thrown out. Let's call a spade a spade.
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Let's call a spade a spade.
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I am opposed to a gay giving blood. Just as I am opposed to heterosexuals who engage in risky behavior giving blood. There is no room for political correctness when it comes to things like this.
Blood banks take the blood from the donor.....and test the blood AFTER it's taken not before.
We ALL need to hope that the donated blood is properly tested and the tech doing the testing doesn't screw up.
Tainted blood is why, when one is having a "planned" surgery.....either the patient or patient's family is now asked if they wish to donate blood prior to the surgery in case it is needed. Eliminate the risk of "bad" blood.
Not only is AIDS passed through tainted blood, so is Hep C....both can kill you....we just don't hear about Hep C like we do AIDS.
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The whole political correctness thing should be thrown out. Let's call a spade a spade.
If we insist on honesty, and then enforce it, liberalism/leftism will be dead. That's what political correctness is about. PC is not to protect the feelings of any individual. PC is about protecting the veneer of legitimacy which hides the evil dishonesty of Leftism.
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Blood banks take the blood from the donor.....and test the blood AFTER it's taken not before.
We ALL need to hope that the donated blood is properly tested and the tech doing the testing doesn't screw up.
Tainted blood is why, when one is having a "planned" surgery.....either the patient or patient's family is now asked if they wish to donate blood prior to the surgery in case it is needed. Eliminate the risk of "bad" blood.
Not only is AIDS passed through tainted blood, so is Hep C....both can kill you....we just don't hear about Hep C like we do AIDS.
That's why it is very important to pre screen and not allow people with high risk behavior to add to the pool.
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If we insist on honesty, and then enforce it, liberalism/leftism will be dead. That's what political correctness is about. PC is not to protect the feelings of any individual. PC is about protecting the veneer of legitimacy which hides the evil dishonesty of Leftism.
Anybody with half a brain realizes this. All under the guise of fair play.
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That's why it is very important to pre screen and not allow people with high risk behavior to add to the pool.
Exactly. A single-layer defense is an inherently-weak defense, like an eggshell.
Given the scope of the possible harm in accepting blood from a recently-contaminated donor, two or more layers to the blood-screening process move the chance of error from 'a chance you'd rather not ever have to take' to 'reasonably safe routine medical procedure.'
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Exactly. A single-layer defense is an inherently-weak defense, like an eggshell.
Given the scope of the possible harm in accepting blood from a recently-contaminated donor, two or more layers to the blood-screening process move the chance of error from 'a chance you'd rather not ever have to take' to 'reasonably safe routine medical procedure.'
then again these are the same idiots who think enforcing border security is racism. I tell you political correctness is deadly.
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That's why it is very important to pre screen and not allow people with high risk behavior to add to the pool.
I've only donated blood once, because my blood pressure is too low. When I went, to Medic, I was given a generic form to fill out. I was honest...I had no reason not to be.
But if someone is getting paid ( I wasn't) for their blood...and need the money...are they really going to be totally honest and risk not getting any money?
Filling out a form, does not tell the blood bank that one's blood is contaminated. I know Medic tests after, and will send out a letter to the donor if there are any problems. (I received one, my cholesterol was high) And I think by law, they are required to report to the health dept if AIDs, Hep C or any STD is present.
It can take years for HIV/AIDS symptoms to show up, yet it may be present in the blood. I think it can take some extended time for Hep C to show up too. A close friend ended up with Hep C from a blood transfusion during extensive abdominal surgery (he's a "bleeder", and is the father of the son who had hemophilia and died from AIDS from contaminated blood. Two of his daughter's 3 sons are also hemophiliacs. They can fall riding a bike and require a transfusion of factor (packed cells)).
There are many many people who end up with AIDS and Hep C through no fault of their own.....all because of a contaminated blood transfusion or being a medical care person who contracts either disease through their care of an infected patient.
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I only gave once.
I think I got a cookie.
They won't let me do it now, skin condition... that you CANNOT catch ... oh well.
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I only gave once.
I think I got a cookie.
They won't let me do it now, skin condition... that you CANNOT catch ... oh well.
I got a cookie and a little Dixie cup of orange juice.... :tongue:
and almost passed out driving home I had the shakes so bad. :o
As much as they want my blood - I'm O+ - they won't take it unless my blood pressure goes up quite a bit more.
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I got a cookie and a little Dixie cup of orange juice.... :tongue:
and almost passed out driving home I had the shakes so bad. :o
As much as they want my blood - I'm O+ - they won't take it unless my blood pressure goes up quite a bit more.
Isn't Obama in office enough to make your blood pressure go up? :-)
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Isn't Obama in office enough to make your blood pressure go up? :-)
Oh....it skyrockets when I get on the subject of him!!!
It goes up to "normal" when I get tense, stressed, or nervous - like going to the doctor. Otherwise it's 90-something over 60-something. It was up to normal at a doctor's visit, so I thought I could go donate. I went, they took their share, and then it crashed after I left. I had surgery one time, that several hours after surgery, I couldn't feel my lower legs or arms. My BP was down to 60/40, yet I was conscious and talking. Shook everybody up at the time. It's not a deal, except now I have to tell before surgery, that my BP goes haywire.
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Have you ever read "Lamb: The Gospel Accoring to Biff"(Christ's Childhood Friend)? Really funny book. And, like "Prayers for Bobby", has absolutely nothing to do with the true Jesus.
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I have not read it, but I am open to reading it.
And I didn't say that "Prayers" had anything to do with Jesus. It is just an inside look of someone conflicted about being gay because of their religious beliefs. It was a very sad book.
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Well then surely you'd want anyone with a transimittable disease to also have that tattoo?
Works for me!
But then again, I've been faithfully married for 36 years, so it really won't effect me and "Toots".
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I will never understand the sick minds that thinks the radical homosexual agenda is worth their passion.
They must get their kicks from mocking and laughing at God - because that is surely the outcome.
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It's not about morals, its about public safety.
That, and being an "asshole bandit" is a crime against nature! It's not nice to piss off Mother Nature!
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It's not nice to piss off Mother Nature!
Just like the old "I Can't Believe It's Not Butter" commercials . . . :tongue:
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Just like the old "I Can't Believe It's Not Butter" commercials . . . :tongue:
Hey, hey, hey! You're showing "our" age!
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Hey, hey, hey! You're showing "our" age!
I was in grade school then . . . :tongue:
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I was in grade school then . . . :tongue:
:hammer:
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Just like the old "I Can't Believe It's Not Butter" commercials . . . :tongue:
Weren't those Chiffon commercials?
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Weren't those Chiffon commercials?
Different margarine.
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Weren't those Chiffon commercials?
Parkay.
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Parkay.
Butter. :-)
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Butter. :-)
Here we go . . .
:thatsright:
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Parkay.
Chiffon...
[youtube=425,350]LLrTPrp-fW8[/youtube]
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I think this has drifted far enough off topic for a relocation.....
doc
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I think this has drifted far enough off topic for a relocation.....
doc
If it helps, homos use to use margarine as lube. That's why they had to start putting "for external use only" on the tub label.
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If it helps, homos use to use margarine as lube. That's why they had to start putting "for external use only" on the tub label.
Other things, too--the group Frankie Goes to Hollywood had a song called "Krisco Kisses" on their Welcome to the Pleasuredome album. I was the music director of my campus radio station when it came out. I was young then--I thought the album was pretty good. "Relax" was about giving oral sex, and they did a version of Springsteen's "Born to Run" which was good, too.
I think that one or two of that group died of AIDS.
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Oh....it skyrockets when I get on the subject of him!!!
It goes up to "normal" when I get tense, stressed, or nervous - like going to the doctor. Otherwise it's 90-something over 60-something. It was up to normal at a doctor's visit, so I thought I could go donate. I went, they took their share, and then it crashed after I left. I had surgery one time, that several hours after surgery, I couldn't feel my lower legs or arms. My BP was down to 60/40, yet I was conscious and talking. Shook everybody up at the time. It's not a deal, except now I have to tell before surgery, that my BP goes haywire.
Me too. The BP monitor alarm went off so many times, they finally turned it off. :p
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Are you as outspoken against divorce, lying, greediness, drunkeness, lusting, etc., as you are about homosexuality?
If her answer is "yes" where does that leave you?
Of course if you can find groups advocating a political agenda in favor of lying, greediness, drunkeness etc (now that Ted Kennedy is dead) that would make for a more legitimate analogy. However, I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume that if the schools wanted to give 1st graders a reading of "Heather's Mommy Likes DP with Construction Workers" Duchess might take umbrage.
And yes, the conservative community has long railed against overly laxed divorce laws and social mores playing a major role in the destruction of the family, which is the lynchpin of social and economic health in any community (HINT: that is why ALL viable societies have evolved strictly regulated norms for family order). You may be ignorant of this fact but that is only because you have chosen to waste your time elsewhere dwelling on weak caricatures of other people's arguments.
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Me too. The BP monitor alarm went off so many times, they finally turned it off. :p
:lmao: That's what they did with mine too. I had a friend with me, and she told the nurse she would sit right next to me and watch me, but if they didn't turn the monitor off, they would be treating her for a heart attack cause it was scaring the poop out of her every time it went off!
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If her answer is "yes" where does that leave you?
Of course if you can find groups advocating a political agenda in favor of lying, greediness, drunkeness etc (now that Ted Kennedy is dead) that would make for a more legitimate analogy. However, I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume that if the schools wanted to give 1st graders a reading of "Heather's Mommy Likes DP with Construction Workers" Duchess might take umbrage.
And yes, the conservative community has long railed against overly laxed divorce laws and social mores playing a major role in the destruction of the family, which is the lynchpin of social and economic health in any community (HINT: that is why ALL viable societies have evolved strictly regulated norms for family order). You may be ignorant of this fact but that is only because you have chosen to waste your time elsewhere dwelling on weak caricatures of other people's arguments.
You do realize this great post telling the proverbial cow how to eat the cabbage will be ignored by said proverbial cow? When dumbass liberals cannot refute your display of reality, common sense, and facts, they just ignore you hoping it will go away.
I can guarantee that a totally unrelated response will be forthcoming in a weak and ridiculously stupid attempt to change the spotlight away from your purposeful and thoughtful post.
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You do realize this great post telling the proverbial cow how to eat the cabbage will be ignored by said proverbial cow? When dumbass liberals cannot refute your display of reality, common sense, and facts, they just ignore you hoping it will go away.
I can guarantee that a totally unrelated response will be forthcoming in a weak and ridiculously stupid attempt to change the spotlight away from your purposeful and thoughtful post.
That or she will quietly just ignore the thread. Typical!
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If her answer is "yes" where does that leave you?
Of course if you can find groups advocating a political agenda in favor of lying, greediness, drunkeness etc (now that Ted Kennedy is dead) that would make for a more legitimate analogy. However, I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume that if the schools wanted to give 1st graders a reading of "Heather's Mommy Likes DP with Construction Workers" Duchess might take umbrage.
And yes, the conservative community has long railed against overly laxed divorce laws and social mores playing a major role in the destruction of the family, which is the lynchpin of social and economic health in any community (HINT: that is why ALL viable societies have evolved strictly regulated norms for family order). You may be ignorant of this fact but that is only because you have chosen to waste your time elsewhere dwelling on weak caricatures of other people's arguments.
I would just like to see some consistency. Homosexuality is considered an abomination to many here, but I don't see any outspokeness for other sins.
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I would just like to see some consistency. Homosexuality is considered an abomination to many here, but I don't see any outspokeness for other sins.
No, dearest, we don't cut homosexuality any slack like you do. Therein lies the difference. We hold all sin as equal.
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I would just like to see some consistency. Homosexuality is considered an abomination to many here, but I don't see any outspokeness for other sins.
Uh, what other sins were being discussed in this thread? What other sins are being shoved down our throat by perverted butt bouncers and carpet munchers?
I can think of one. Abortion. I think you'll find we are just as adamant about that particular sin, too!
By a vowel Sol, get a clue!
If you haven't noticed this got moved to "mind numbing stupidity" for a reason!
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Besides the baby murdering and homosexual agenda, exactly what other sins has the Supreme Court ruled in favor?
What other sins is there in which a whole political party is based?
I will gladly get just as passionate about any that can be named in answer to these questions.
Idiot.
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No, dearest, we don't cut homosexuality any slack like you do. Therein lies the difference. We hold all sin as equal.
I don't believe many do. And it is obvious by the way people treat others.
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I would just like to see some consistency. Homosexuality is considered an abomination to many here, but I don't see any outspokeness for other sins.
Second paragraph.
If you're not going to pay attention to replies to your statements stop pretending to be engaged.
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Second paragraph.
If you're not going to pay attention to replies to your statements stop pretending to be engaged.
I read it all. That was my reply.
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I read it all. That was my reply.
No, that was a repetition of the point to which I was responding. To wit:
Are you as outspoken against divorce, lying, greediness, drunkeness, lusting, etc., as you are about homosexuality?
I would just like to see some consistency. Homosexuality is considered an abomination to many here, but I don't see any outspokeness for other sins.
No rebuttal, just reiteration.
No one on the conservative(-Christian) side would stand blithely aside if drunkards demanded special legal protections for their behaviors. Ditto liars and sluts, even though the latter enjoy a special place in my heart.
If you believe this is not the case you're welcome to point why that might be so; otherwise the less ego-driven response would be to admit, "Golly! Maybe they are consistent."
Please feel free to point out where these Christians have ever gave shrugging acceptance adultery, fornication, drunkenness, theft, fraud, murder, violence, etc etc etc. If homosexuals draw the most political opposition it is because homosexuals are the most politically active. If you know of a national adulterers advocacy group that has been overlooked please feel free to point them out.
But let us assume--arguendo--that they have turned a blind eye to adultery to hold the line against homosexuality: how does that invalidate their opposition to homosexuality?
If this is where they believe the most pressing intrusion into their liberty and social order resides then they are free to set aside other concerns to deal with that which they consider the greatest threat.
I'm sure were I to poke about long enough I could find inconsistencies in what you advocate.
Of course, it should be pointed out that if/when Christians were to speak out against adultery et al the first response from the Left would be, "Jesus Christ! Where's the God-damned separation of church and state!"
It's a good thing your sort weren't around during the days of the abolitionists; religiously motivated meddlers that they were.
Or would that be YOUR inconsistency?
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No, that was a repetition of the point to which I was responding. To wit:
No rebuttal, just reiteration.
No one on the conservative(-Christian) side would stand blithely aside if drunkards demanded special legal protections for their behaviors. Ditto liars and sluts, even though the latter enjoy a special place in my heart.
If you believe this is not the case you're welcome to point why that might be so; otherwise the less ego-driven response would be to admit, "Golly! Maybe they are consistent."
Please feel free to point out where these Christians have ever gave shrugging acceptance adultery, fornication, drunkenness, theft, fraud, murder, violence, etc etc etc. If homosexuals draw the most political opposition it is because homosexuals are the most politically active. If you know of a national adulterers advocacy group that has been overlooked please feel free to point them out.
But let us assume--arguendo--that they have turned a blind eye to adultery to hold the line against homosexuality: how does that invalidate their opposition to homosexuality?
If this is where they believe the most pressing intrusion into their liberty and social order resides then they are free to set aside other concerns to deal with that which they consider the greatest threat.
I'm sure were I to poke about long enough I could find inconsistencies in what you advocate.
Of course, it should be pointed out that if/when Christians were to speak out against adultery et al the first response from the Left would be, "Jesus Christ! Where's the God-damned separation of church and state!"
It's a good thing your sort weren't around during the days of the abolitionists; religiously motivated meddlers that they were.
Or would that be YOUR inconsistency?
I am quite sure I am inconsistent at times. I certainly don't claim not to be, I just don't understand the hate towards people.
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There is no hate towards people. Any hate is because of what people do or say.
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I am quite sure I am inconsistent at times. I certainly don't claim not to be, I just don't understand the hate towards people.
Like your hatred towards the unborn? Like your hatred of those who do not jump up and down clapping over radical homosexuality? That kind of hate? You are eat up with hate. Mostly, you hate yourself - and I don't blame you. Who could be comfortable in their own skin when they condone the sick crap you embrace. You have to feel hatred and shame towards yourself.
You are extremely hateful. You should understand hate better than you understand when your name is called. ALL LEFTISTS ARE PURE HATE.
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You are extremely hateful bunny. You should understand hate better than you understand when your name,Bonnie the Bunny , is called. ALL LEFTIST Rabbits ARE PURE HATE.
I agree with Ptarmy!
(i am SO bad...)
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I am quite sure I am inconsistent at times. I certainly don't claim not to be, I just don't understand the hate towards people.
Beam vs Mote, look it up.
Still you have your own hatreds. Like your hatred towards conservatives, Christians, people who are self-sufficient, people not of color and as pointed out: the unborn.
Of course you will come sputtering back, "But I don't hate them! I just don't agree with them!"
That would be a response you would reject out of hand were it offered by anyone who doesn't agree with your agenda. You refuse to see opposition to gay marriage as a disagreement about what is best for US society. And you certainly do not agree with the right of those who disagree with you to be equal participants in their own government. You will pull out separation of church and state and hate-monger titles to silence those whose offer arguments that threaten your preferred fantasies.
Gays have as much right to petition for the redress of grievances, campaign for their chosen representatives, seek elective office and every other right guaranteed to all citizens of this nation. That is what the constitution guarantees. It does not guarantee to make your dick feel good wherever you choose to place it.
Accordingly, Christians acknowledge more political rights for gays than gays allow Christians as liberal propaganda dictates Christians not vote in accord with any political position that might have been informed by their worldview.
Sorry, but marriage is one of the most heavily regulated institutions in ANY society not just the hateful, patriarchal, imperialist, exploitative, wives-are-merely-chattel, bigot swamp known as the US. Case in point: Legal marriage age differs wildly from state to state but just because some states allow marriage at age 14 does not mean 14-year old children in states where the limit is 18 are being discriminated against and SCOTUS must come racing to their rescue.
And it isn't because people in those latter states hate anyone between the age of 14 to 17.
Your entire "hatred" meme serves only to 1) attempt to shame people into not speaking and 2) give you license to ignore them if they deign to speak out of the place you have assigned to them.
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Beam vs Mote, look it up.
Still you have your own hatreds. Like your hatred towards conservatives, Christians, people who are self-sufficient, people not of color and as pointed out: the unborn.
Of course you will come sputtering back, "But I don't hate them! I just don't agree with them!"
That would be a response you would reject out of hand were it offered by anyone who doesn't agree with your agenda. You refuse to see opposition to gay marriage as a disagreement about what is best for US society. And you certainly do not agree with the right of those who disagree with you to be equal participants in their own government. You will pull out separation of church and state and hate-monger titles to silence those whose offer arguments that threaten your preferred fantasies.
Gays have as much right to petition for the redress of grievances, campaign for their chosen representatives, seek elective office and every other right guaranteed to all citizens of this nation. That is what the constitution guarantees. It does not guarantee to make your dick feel good wherever you choose to place it.
Accordingly, Christians acknowledge more political rights for gays than gays allow Christians as liberal propaganda dictates Christians not vote in accord with any political position that might have been informed by their worldview.
Sorry, but marriage is one of the most heavily regulated institutions in ANY society not just the hateful, patriarchal, imperialist, exploitative, wives-are-merely-chattel, bigot swamp known as the US. Case in point: Legal marriage age differs wildly from state to state but just because some states allow marriage at age 14 does not mean 14-year old children in states where the limit is 18 are being discriminated against and SCOTUS must come racing to their rescue.
And it isn't because people in those latter states hate anyone between the age of 14 to 17.
Your entire "hatred" meme serves only to 1) attempt to shame people into not speaking and 2) give you license to ignore them if they deign to speak out of the place you have assigned to them.
Let me just say this, I appreciate you having a discussion with me, and when I have more time, I will respond fully to what you wrote. Right now, it is past bed time for baby!
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Sorry to hear that. My Mother died of cancer due to smoking. When did he die?
My grandpa died of lung cancer from smoking. He died in 1990. I remember seeing him in the hospital after he had radiation. His whole chest looked like he was a burn victim. I brought my son to see him (he was a little over a year old) and my grandpa wanted to hold him so badly but he couldn't. He had shingles and he didn't want to give him chicken pox. He died a couple months after that. It was the last time I saw him (we lived in AZ and he was in a hospital in NE), I wish I lived in the same state at the time so he could have seen my son more. :(
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But you are assuming that all straight people are donating good blood. There is a risk for every person out there.
I am way behind in this discussion but thought I would throw this in.
I can't donate blood because back in 1998 I received IVIG (intravenous immunoglobulin) every month for a year. One of the treatments I received could have been tainted. I had to sign a waiver the month after I received treatment from a tainted lot of IVIG. A women donated in the lot I received had Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (human form of mad cow disease). I may have received her specific donation (it could take up to 20 years to show up) so I can't donate. There is a good chance I didn't receive her specific donation (I can't remember how many people are in each lot) but I am a risk to others on the off chance I could be infected. I don't see a difference between me and gay men who have a higher than average chance of having HIV than everyone else in the population. I couldn't imagine forcing my blood on other people, I could never live with myself if I had donated blood and then later developed CJD.
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Second paragraph.
If you're not going to pay attention to replies to your statements stop pretending to be engaged.
I was gonna say "WTF" but I think you took care of it!
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There is no hate towards people. Any hate is because of what people do or say.
Slow down Bubba! I've been developing some pretty damn good hate since the last election! This some bitch, currently in charge, which this imbecile we are currently engaged in, voted for, has put my panties in a bunch!
I will not apologize, or try to disguise my complete contempt for the ignorant I wanna make this POS the Messiah of the liberal movement in order to be politically correct sheep for any reason!
This prick has done more damage to my country in 18 months than any other individual since Benedict Arnold! I frikkin' dare any single POS from the DUmp or of anything closely resembling their persuasion, yeah you, ShitOutaLuck, to argue that fact!
Just today his administration announced they did not have to prosecute the illegals that Arizona brought to their attention!!!!!!!!!! If that is not traitorous, then I dare you to tell me what it is!!!!! If the Bummer's Fed will not protect the States, **** you and the horse your savior rode in on! ESAD!
I firmly believe this asshat should be tried for ****IN' Treason! If he refuses, or his lackeys, refuse to protect the "Nation of States", he is nothing more than a ****in' traitor!
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I didn't fail to answer any question. All that says to me is that it passes easier through anal sex. Gay men probably have anal sex more than others, but it isn't something that only gay men do. I am more worried about taking care of the disease. Lung cancer probably happens more to smokers, but instead of labeling it as a smoker's disease, I am more concerned with treating it and finding a cure. I don't really blame people for the diseases they get. Heart disease for the fat?
Maybe I am just not used to hearing the term "butt pluggers". And more concerned with making it someone's fault. Instead of focusing on how to treat it.
I prefer the term fudge-packers myself. Feel all warm and fuzzy now.
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I know the teachings of Christ. I am a Christian. Jesus was a man of love. A man of forgiveness. A man who loved his worst enemies.
A man who healed people forgave them and said "Go and sin no more" The left always forgets that last part :banghead:
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I am quite sure I am inconsistent at times. I certainly don't claim not to be, I just don't understand the hate towards people.
It's not the people.
Hate the sin, love the sinner. But then, it's amazing how the left conveniently forgets that little bit.
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I am way behind in this discussion but thought I would throw this in.
I can't donate blood because back in 1998 I received IVIG (intravenous immunoglobulin) every month for a year. One of the treatments I received could have been tainted. I had to sign a waiver the month after I received treatment from a tainted lot of IVIG. A women donated in the lot I received had Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (human form of mad cow disease). I may have received her specific donation (it could take up to 20 years to show up) so I can't donate. There is a good chance I didn't receive her specific donation (I can't remember how many people are in each lot) but I am a risk to others on the off chance I could be infected. I don't see a difference between me and gay men who have a higher than average chance of having HIV than everyone else in the population. I couldn't imagine forcing my blood on other people, I could never live with myself if I had donated blood and then later developed CJD.
BEG, have you seen the ads for a proscription medicines for men to shrink their prostrate that warns that they have to be off the medication at least 6 months before they can give blood ???
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BEG, have you seen the ads for a proscription medicines for men to shrink their prostrate that warns that they have to be off the medication at least 6 months before they can give blood ???
It's not just that. There's an entire laundry list of seemingly innocuous prescriptions that you can't be taking or have to have been off for as long as several YEARS before you can donate.
http://www.redcrossblood.org/donating-blood/eligibility-requirements/eligibility-criteria-alphabetical-listing
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I can't donate blood because back in 1998 I received IVIG (intravenous immunoglobulin) every month for a year. One of the treatments I received could have been tainted. I had to sign a waiver the month after I received treatment from a tainted lot of IVIG. A women donated in the lot I received had Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (human form of mad cow disease).
That explains a lot. //kidding
I couldn't imagine forcing my blood on other people, I could never live with myself if I had donated blood and then later developed CJD.
exactly
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Slow down Bubba! I've been developing some pretty damn good hate since the last election! This some bitch, currently in charge, which this imbecile we are currently engaged in, voted for, has put my panties in a bunch!traitor!
But that hate is based on what they do and say. That is very appropriate in my opinion.
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Let me just say this, I appreciate you having a discussion with me, and when I have more time, I will respond fully to what you wrote. Right now, it is past bed time for baby!
*checks watch*
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*checks watch*
Hey, man--it's only been FOUR days! People have been known to take up to a week to sleep off a meth bender, you racist teabagging fundie Rethuglican!
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...you racist teabagging fundie Rethuglican!
I'm an Orthodox Fundamentalist Sinner, 2nd Synod.
We sleep in on Sundays except for Christmas when we're still drinking at 10am.
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I drove past a long closed road side reststop a few days back. Yet another casualty of the casual back door shenanigans of gay men expressing themselves in public.
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I drove past a long closed road side reststop a few days back. Yet another casualty of the casual back door shenanigans of gay men expressing themselves in public.
There used to be one not too far from where I live, on I-87, right behind a development of nice homes. I don't know if gheys were the reason it was closed, but I do remember that a 550-pound black bear was shot there in 1978 or so. It was living behind the homes and the rest area. Where I live, it's suburbia, so this was kind of a big deal.
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There used to be one not too far from where I live, on I-87, right behind a development of nice homes. I don't know if gheys were the reason it was closed, but I do remember that a 550-pound black bear was shot there in 1978 or so. It was living behind the homes and the rest area. Where I live, it's suburbia, so this was kind of a big deal.
I hate ghey bears.
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I hate ghey bears.
Lucky you guys, in the town of Kittery Me. there is a "dirty" book and video store on this horrid road that darn near kills someone every week. RT 236
Couple years ago a school bus driver stopped to pick up some kids that lived in a housing division behind the store.
According to the driver the kids were sword fighting with dildo's. It was reported in the paper so it must be true, right.
My problem with that story is I wonder why anyone would abandon half a dozen of them things----The news did not say if the divices were motorized or not.
In the big city of Portsmouth one of the Book Stores had a big write up in the paper about the family that started their enterprise 35 years or so ago.
The reporter who wrote the piece wrote as if he was interviewing the owners of a Mom and Pop Deli. He went into detail on how the couple had started their business selling belt buckles to the truckers and found a need for the drivers to buy magazines and watch videos in the BACK rooms. After a few years they branched out into Amusements, cards and stationary. A real heart warming story about a local couple that built up a small business in the community and of benefit to the tax base.
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You lost me after, "Lucky you guys..."
I told you: you get 3 words and then I'm cuting you off.
You could have said "sword-fighting with dildos" and I would have given you the hyphen but after that you'd be done.
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"Sword fighting with dildos." There's a really bad joke in there somewhere. :tongue:
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"Sword fighting with dildos." There's a really bad joke in there somewhere. :tongue:
Sounds healthier than using a sword as a dildo.
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I most certainly do not HATE anyone. If I hated conservatives, I'd hate all of my family. I love my family dearly. As do I love all of my friends. I may have dislike for people, but I do not HATE anyone.
I also remember that not everyone believes as I do. I would love for everyone to believe in Christ, but they don't. I don't force my beliefs on anyone. I convey what I believe, hope they understand it, want to believe like I do, but forcing someone to be "Christian" doesn't make it so. In fact I find it turns more away from Christ.
I also don't get the gay hatred. I am not gay. Could never be. I just don't find females attractive in that way. I could never force myself to. I can't imagine that someone born straight would/could force themselves to like the opposite sex. One--how do you force yourself to like something that you really don't? Two--Why would you choose that? It isn't exactly an easy choice to make. Gay people get lambasted. It isn't exaclty the life I would choose if it were an option. Three--and most importantly to me-- God didn't put me here to judge others. Sure, I have to make judgments every day. Against people many times. And I probably err more than I don't. But I try to live my life according to how I feel God wants me to, and He will deal with the rest. After all, God put each and everyone of us here. We are all His people.
We can argue until the cows come home about how you interpret God's word and how I do. It has been the bane of human existence basically. How many religious battles have been fought?
The whole point of this was giving blood. I don't want tainted blood given to anyone. I also don't want to throw away a lot of good blood either. Testing needs to be up to par so that everyone who has clean blood can donate.
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Sorry, Soleil. You are full of caca. Leftism/liberalism is incompatible with Christianity.
Leftism/liberalism is a hate-filled worldview. You and your ilk hate the idea of individuality. Having to care about the general welfare and liberty of the individual cramps your style. You like to pretend to care about anonymous groups (like homosexuals and other "minorities"). This feature of your worldview takes the attention away from your hatred for individual free people.
The proven failure known as Leftism/liberalism is incompatible with liberty. The failure known as leftism/liberalism is incompatible with freedom. The failure is incompatible with human nature. Leftism/liberalism is Satan at work.
You worship that same ideology. You don't give a damn about Christianity or humanity. You would rather be staked to the floor of hell for eternity than to ever see one minute facade of conservatism win the day.
I know you like I know the back of my hand. You can protest and deny until the moon turns to blood, but I KNOW I am right about YOU. You are no mystery. You are an open book.
And the sad part about it is, you know it. You know right from wrong. You know conservatism is right and leftism is Satan's handicraft. You KNOW it.
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I also remember that not everyone believes as I do. I would love for everyone to believe in Christ, but they don't. I don't force my beliefs on anyone. I convey what I believe, hope they understand it, want to believe like I do, but forcing someone to be "Christian" doesn't make it so. In fact I find it turns more away from Christ.
You know, it's this sort of weak sauce nonsense that irks me to no end.
I don't have a conscience, having long ago slipped it a Valium and selling it to a Singaporean whorehouse, but I presume in the Christian ethos I have an immortal soul.
Yet, you would spend more time trying to win my vote before you would try to win my soul.
I also don't get the gay hatred. I am not gay. Could never be. I just don't find females attractive in that way.
What if I came over with a bottle of Boone's Farm, some movies and a couple of friends?
I could never force myself to. I can't imagine that someone born straight would/could force themselves to like the opposite sex. One--how do you force yourself to like something that you really don't? Two--Why would you choose that? It isn't exactly an easy choice to make.
Any first year anthropology student will tell you homosexuality can be an acculturated trait.
Gay people get lambasted. It isn't exaclty the life I would choose if it were an option.
Plenty of people get "lambasted." Try being a conservative someday. From what I've been told--to my face--I'm too stupid to know 9/11 was an inside job, Bush stole the election...twice, I hate muslims without cause, I hate blacks because I disagree with ObamaCoup, I hate Mexicans because I support enforcement, I hate kids because the schools are abject failures, I hate poor people because unions are labor monopolies, I hate America because I think we spend too much money on bullshit, I hate our troops because I support their mission.
I long to have a liberal with the honesty and the balls to accept me at my word and actual hash out a dialogue with me rather than use the word "hate" as an excuse to avoid the argument they know they can't win.
Three--and most importantly to me-- God didn't put me here to judge others. Sure, I have to make judgments every day. Against people many times. And I probably err more than I don't. But I try to live my life according to how I feel God wants me to, and He will deal with the rest. After all, God put each and everyone of us here. We are all His people.
Sounds more like you want guilt-free sin. The Jesus you believe in is weak and contemptible. If God wants to die for my sins that's heart-touching enough to move even me but unless that God is also willing to allow me to stand up, deny that gift and allow me to accept the consequences then...well...he's a ***** and what do I have to be impressed by?
Try sinning my way for a while. It was asked rhetorically once, "Are we under grace so that sin may abound?" You seem to like what you do/have done but like being absolved even more. Indulgences were invented for people like you.
At least my way you'll be honest and I'll stop having the bad, bad visions that make it hard to type every time I read this nonsense.
We can argue until the cows come home about how you interpret God's word and how I do. It has been the bane of human existence basically. How many religious battles have been fought?
Makes one wonder why God ever bothered to write the damned thing in the first place.
The whole point of this was giving blood. I don't want tainted blood given to anyone. I also don't want to throw away a lot of good blood either. Testing needs to be up to par so that everyone who has clean blood can donate.
Yes, well, I can't donate blood because I served in Germany before they had a handle on Mad Cow Disease. Even though I'm pretty sure I had sexual relations with a cow.
I think.
Mostly.
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You know, it's this sort of weak sauce nonsense that irks me to no end.
I don't have a conscience, having long ago slipped it a Valium and selling it to a Singaporean whorehouse, but I presume in the Christian ethos I have an immortal soul.
Yet, you would spend more time trying to win my vote before you would try to win my soul.
What if I came over with a bottle of Boone's Farm, some movies and a couple of friends?
Any first year anthropology student will tell you homosexuality can be an acculturated trait.
Plenty of people get "lambasted." Try being a conservative someday. From what I've been told--to my face--I'm too stupid to know 9/11 was an inside job, Bush stole the election...twice, I hate muslims without cause, I hate blacks because I disagree with ObamaCoup, I hate Mexicans because I support enforcement, I hate kids because the schools are abject failures, I hate poor people because unions are labor monopolies, I hate America because I think we spend too much money on bullshit, I hate our troops because I support their mission.
I long to have a liberal with the honesty and the balls to accept me at my word and actual hash out a dialogue with me rather than use the word "hate" as an excuse to avoid the argument they know they can't win.
Sounds more like you want guilt-free sin. The Jesus you believe in is weak and contemptible. If God wants to die for my sins that's heart-touching enough to move even me but unless that God is also willing to allow me to stand up, deny that gift and allow me to accept the consequences then...well...he's a ***** and what do I have to be impressed by?
Try sinning my way for a while. It was asked rhetorically once, "Are we under grace so that sin may abound?" You seem to like what you do/have done but like being absolved even more. Indulgences were invented for people like you.
At least my way you'll be honest and I'll stop having the bad, bad visions that make it hard to type every time I read this nonsense.
Makes one wonder why God ever bothered to write the damned thing in the first place.
Yes, well, I can't donate blood because I served in Germany before they had a handle on Mad Cow Disease. Even though I'm pretty sure I had sexual relations with a cow.
I think.
Mostly.
No you are wrong. I don't believe in guilt free sin, but if you believe everyone interprets the Bible the same, then please explain the numerous Christian religions.
I have seen far too many people turn away from Christ because of people so hell bent on damning them to hell instead of telling them what living a Christ-like life can be like, and showing them the LOVE of Christ. The Bible isn't all fire and brimstone. That isn't what the Bible is about. That isn't what Christianity is about. It is about the love of Christ. Knowing what He did for us. Knowing how he lived, and trying to live the same. I totally disagree with people who believe Christianity is all about avoiding hell. There is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much more to it than that.
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No you are wrong. I don't believe in guilt free sin, but if you believe everyone interprets the Bible the same, then please explain the numerous Christian religions.
I have seen far too many people turn away from Christ because of people so hell bent on damning them to hell instead of telling them what living a Christ-like life can be like, and showing them the LOVE of Christ. The Bible isn't all fire and brimstone. That isn't what the Bible is about. That isn't what Christianity is about. It is about the love of Christ. Knowing what He did for us. Knowing how he lived, and trying to live the same. I totally disagree with people who believe Christianity is all about avoiding hell. There is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much more to it than that.
I never claimed the Christian God was unloving or unforgiving; I said YOUR version of him was pathetic, weak and beneath contempt.
Of course I also said homosexuality can be an acculturated trait but that seems to have escaped your notice/concern.
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I never claimed the Christian God was unloving or unforgiving; I said YOUR version of him was pathetic, weak and beneath contempt.
Of course I also said homosexuality can be an acculturated trait but that seems to have escaped your notice/concern.
Nothing escaped me. And my version of God is anything but.
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Nothing escaped me.
Considering you have made several assertions in this thread, i.e. opposition to gay marriage is based on unreasoned hatred and homosexuality is not a choice, both of which have been readily rebutted without response on your part, seems to indicate that you have been laboring under presuppositions, bigotries and misinformation.
Yet, nothing about what you actually profess has moved one iota.
Does the fact homosexuality can be acculturated alter the dialogue with regards with how our society tolerates/accomodates homosexuality?
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It is about the love of Christ. Knowing what He did for us. Knowing how he lived, and trying to live the same. I totally disagree with people who believe Christianity is all about avoiding hell. There is soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much more to it than that.
I am truly curious, how do you square the above with your support of a party and political mindset that encourages and fights for the murder of the unborn?
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I am truly curious, how do you square the above with your support of a party and political mindset that encourages and fights for the murder of the unborn?
Simple.
She doesn't even try.
"It's not my place to judge."
We can only assume that would also have been her position had she been around during the days of slavery.
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Simple.
She doesn't even try.
"It's not my place to judge."
We can only assume that would also have been her position had she been around during the days of slavery.
Not really, it would depend on where she was living at the time and her economic background.
Some of the biggest and wealthiest slave owners back then were---{Politically incorrect}--freed slaves themselves.
Not to mention the French slaves and the white indentured servants.
Were she to have gone west in a wagon train, she would not have given a thought to slavery or woman's rights, she would have been too busy reloading guns for those fighting off the Indians.
Here in New England very few people owned slaves, only those that could feed, cloth, provide medical care for 9 months a year for people that had little to do.
Our thoughts on society should come from the time we live in keeping a backward look at past history for what worked then and what did not work for them in the past.
Had she been raised in say NYC at the turn of the 20 Th' century and seen the conditions that existed back then, a horror we can not imagine, it would be interesting how she felt about abortion at that time.
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You're a retard. Stop responding to my posts.
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Sorry, Soleil. You are full of caca. Leftism/liberalism is incompatible with Christianity.
Leftism/liberalism is a hate-filled worldview. You and your ilk hate the idea of individuality. Having to care about the general welfare and liberty of the individual cramps your style. You like to pretend to care about anonymous groups (like homosexuals and other "minorities"). This feature of your worldview takes the attention away from your hatred for individual free people.
The proven failure known as Leftism/liberalism is incompatible with liberty. The failure known as leftism/liberalism is incompatible with freedom. The failure is incompatible with human nature. Leftism/liberalism is Satan at work.
You worship that same ideology. You don't give a damn about Christianity or humanity. You would rather be staked to the floor of hell for eternity than to ever see one minute facade of conservatism win the day.
I know you like I know the back of my hand. You can protest and deny until the moon turns to blood, but I KNOW I am right about YOU. You are no mystery. You are an open book.
And the sad part about it is, you know it. You know right from wrong. You know conservatism is right and leftism is Satan's handicraft. You KNOW it.
Well said. Since Soliel is an expert on Aids, I wonder how many of her queer friends have aids, and how many straight friends (probably few) don't have it. Sounds like she has to sew day and night to keep up with all those quilts.
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I don't have a conscience, having long ago slipped it a Valium and selling it to a Singaporean whorehouse,
:lmao:
You know, that reminds me of a 1950's Amos and Andy TV show.
Kingfish pulled one of his scams and his conscience was bothering him but by the end of the show he was dealing with it quite well. Someone asked him why his conscience wasn't bothering him and he said that he had made a deal with his conscience. ..."I won't bother it and it won't bother me.".... :rotf:
I think I've known a few Kingfish's in my time.
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You're a retard. Stop responding to my posts.
You're a retard. :tongue:
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You're a retard. :tongue:
Your mom goes to college.
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Well said. Since Soliel is an expert on Aids, I wonder how many of her queer friends have aids, and how many straight friends (probably few) don't have it. Sounds like she has to sew day and night to keep up with all those quilts.
I can't believe this thread is still going. Not an expert on AIDS at all. I do know it can strike all people. Gay and straight. And I totally don't sew. I was awful at it in Home Ec.
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I can't believe this thread is still going. Not an expert on AIDS at all. I do know it can strike all people. Gay and straight. And I totally don't sew. I was awful at it in Home Ec.
:lmao:
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Who has the greatest transmission rate? Which community has "parties" where "gift givers" pass off HIV to "bug chasers"?
No, it's not a "gay disease", but they sure do pass it around pretty proficiently, don't they?
Actually, I think the most common vector of transmission these days is Jenkem. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenkem)
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Actually, I think the most common vector of transmission these days is Jenkem. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jenkem)
Nuts, if one is so desperate for a high as to poop in a ziplock bag, let it hang out for a week or two then inhale the results, then they have a future as a worker for a septic tank cleaner or cleaning Porty Johns.
Both jobs are necessary and honest work, and the money must be very big to keep workers. What better worker can anyone get then someone that LOVES their job and comes to work every day all ramped up and ready to go????
Now to the facts, sewage is a technical business with quite a bit of knowledge involves. Where to dig a hole for a septic tank, knowledge of the soil and drainage for a leach field. How to maintain a chemical balance and a bacterial balance to keep the system working at its best. Where and how to deposit the results of a tank cleaning, all this those that have city sewage never give a thought to.
My point being that kids do the darnends things, some of the things they do that is weird to us may lead them into education on other levels never thought of.
So your son Jimmy is huffing his shit, no worry, just put him in charge of cleaning the toilets or cat boxes or as a pooper scooper in the lawn. Then send him out for summer vacation as a unpaid helper to assist the local company that drives the Honey Wagons. Call him an Inturn to the company.