obama to butt pluggers- I'm cutting the funding for cooties

[dandi]

I know the teachings of Christ.

Really?  Then tell me how the teachings of Our Savior square against your views of abortion and homosexuality as put forth by the party you serve.

[Duchess]

I know the teachings of Christ. I am a Christian. Jesus was a man of love. A man of forgiveness. A man who loved his worst enemies.

Yes, He forgave those who repented and sought forgiveness. It wasn't some "blanket amnesty". If you recall, he told only the thief on the cross next to him who repented that he would be with Him in paradise-not the thief who died unrepentant in his sin. God is merciful, but He is also just and holy. He doesn't condemn sinners to eternal hell, they condemn themselves through their own unrepentance and sin. Jesus died and rose after three days to give man the route to forgiveness and to heaven, but the onus is upon man to accept it. He said that He stands at the door and knocks, but we must open the door, He doesn't force His way in.

Homosexuality is abhorrent in God's eyes, according to His own words, not only because of the surface sexual sin, but because of the underlying rebellion. God considered this sin so abhorrent that He destroyed two cities over it. Homosexuality, and especially societal acceptance-or worse, celebration-of it, is rebellion against God's mandated order and tantamount to spitting in His eye.

[JohnnyReb]

But, without homosexuals, the disease most likely could have been contained and eradicated.  We have managed to do that with other diseases that are transmitted much more easily.

Guytaan Gaetan Dugas..."Patient Zero"...gay Canadian airline steward...there were AIDS breakouts in all the cities all over the world where he went. He would hit all the gay hot spots in those cities....and even after he knew he had it, that it was a virus and that he was probably spreading it, he continued to spread it.

Now I'll do a search and see if I spelled his name correctly and remember correctly.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ga%C3%ABtan_Dugas

[delilahmused]

I can only guess that is aimed at me, but that is the most ridiculous statement ever.

Honestly, I think he would've said that whether you'd been here or not.

Cindie

[Alpha Mare]

soliel- you still haven't answered. Someone who's been there said

Dying from HIV complications is a horrid way to die,

Are you willing to risk that for your baby, by allowing everyone to donate blood?

[delilahmused]

I know the teachings of Christ. I am a Christian. Jesus was a man of love. A man of forgiveness. A man who loved his worst enemies.

He also spoke about how hard it is to get into Heaven. Just because He loved everyone (and why wouldn't He, His father made them) didn't mean he'd forgive people who were unrepentant. And remember, He's also the man who told his disciples to sell their cloak and buy a sword. He got rather testy with the money changers. And “Think not that I came to send peace on the earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law” Matthew 10:34-35

He was the Word made flesh. IOW, that hard stuff in the OT still counts. You can't just pick and choose the parts that fit your ideology...He came so that YOU could change to fit His ideology.

Cindie

[vesta111]

Typical Little Goon.  Even Our Lord Jesus Christ must be molded to fit her view of Him!

Jesus spoke of hell and damnation (especially for those who worship liberalism).  Jesus was hardly all sweetness & lollipops.

oh, and BTW, Jesus had a temper.

I am smiling as I write this, you are so correct about Jesus.


HE was not a weak feminine man as HE is so often depicted in paintings,  no beautiful glowing blond locks of hair or sad insipid blue eyes.

This man was a Jew who came from 4-5 races. Was he not descended from the queen of Ethiopia?? 


He must have had a big time hissy fit when he alone barged into his temple and beat up the money changers. Is it any wonder the Rabies became upset with him HIM after that.??

  There are a few other passages I will have to look up as I remember in one he went to a mountain top to meditate and speak with GOD. His mother Mary most likely feed up with his strange, to her life, went looking for Him and demanded to know what he was doing. 

In the language of today she jacked him up with a "  Your father needs you in the shop to help him.  He turned to her and said "  Woman,--- [ sort of like calling your mother Lady] " My father is in heaven."

Taking the times and the humans involved I do not know how the family of Jesus survived his childhood or the short adulthood that is chronicled.


Fancy having a child born under mysterious circumstances, having to flee the country to keep him alive.  as the years go on more children are born that are very unlike your first.

This first born turns up at the very young age of 12 walking into temple and lecturing the Rabies that have taught their faith for 8,000 years or so.

This young boy grows into a man few can understand in his own family. Those outside the family come running to tell his mother that her son has cured a Leaper of a disease worse than Aids today.  He in one case rose the dead and another turned water into wine.

I can almost imagine Mary and Joseph rolling their eyes when their eldest son brings home a prostitute for dinner, gathers a crowd of people and tells the men to abandon their ageing parents and young children to follow HIM.

Soleil wrote :::: He's also the man who told his disciples to sell their cloak and buy a sword. He got rather testy with the money changers. And “Think not that I came to send peace on the earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law” Matthew 10:34-35

NO I do not understand all this, there are hundreds of written books or eye wittiness accounts that have never been made public.

Where the heck and what was the Son Of GOD doing all the missing years.?

2,000 years of humans trying to make sense of what little written  words we have of his life, a slight miss stroke of the pen back 1,000 years ago can completely change the meaning of the ancient texts.

Christianity today is a beautiful faith, but, if one takes selected pieces from it, it is no worse then the Islam faith.

[DefiantSix]

Typical Little Goon.  Even Our Lord Jesus Christ must be molded to fit her view of Him!

Jesus spoke of hell and damnation (especially for those who worship liberalism).  Jesus was hardly all sweetness & lollipops.

oh, and BTW, Jesus had a temper.

Yup.  I'd love to have some DUmp monkey have to listen to the Money Changer's guild tell their side of how "tolerant" the Savior was sometime.

Perhaps when they're going through "Orientation" at the gates of Hell? 

[Duchess]

I am smiling as I write this, you are so correct about Jesus.


HE was not a weak feminine man as HE is so often depicted in paintings,  no beautiful glowing blond locks of hair or sad insipid blue eyes.

This man was a Jew who came from 4-5 races. Was he not descended from the queen of Ethiopia??  


He must have had a big time hissy fit when he alone barged into his temple and beat up the money changers. Is it any wonder the Rabies became upset with him HIM after that.??

  There are a few other passages I will have to look up as I remember in one he went to a mountain top to meditate and speak with GOD. His mother Mary most likely feed up with his strange, to her life, went looking for Him and demanded to know what he was doing.  

In the language of today she jacked him up with a "  Your father needs you in the shop to help him.  He turned to her and said "  Woman,--- [ sort of like calling your mother Lady] " My father is in heaven."

Taking the times and the humans involved I do not know how the family of Jesus survived his childhood or the short adulthood that is chronicled.


Fancy having a child born under mysterious circumstances, having to flee the country to keep him alive.  as the years go on more children are born that are very unlike your first.

This first born turns up at the very young age of 12 walking into temple and lecturing the Rabies that have taught their faith for 8,000 years or so.

This young boy grows into a man few can understand in his own family. Those outside the family come running to tell his mother that her son has cured a Leaper of a disease worse than Aids today.  He in one case rose the dead and another turned water into wine.

I can almost imagine Mary and Joseph rolling their eyes when their eldest son brings home a prostitute for dinner, gathers a crowd of people and tells the men to abandon their ageing parents and young children to follow HIM.

Soleil wrote :::: He's also the man who told his disciples to sell their cloak and buy a sword. He got rather testy with the money changers. And “Think not that I came to send peace on the earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law” Matthew 10:34-35

NO I do not understand all this, there are hundreds of written books or eye wittiness accounts that have never been made public.

Where the heck and what was the Son Of GOD doing all the missing years.?

2,000 years of humans trying to make sense of what little written  words we have of his life, a slight miss stroke of the pen back 1,000 years ago can completely change the meaning of the ancient texts.

Christianity today is a beautiful faith, but, if one takes selected pieces from it, it is no worse then the Islam faith.

Actually, as Jesus' family was from the Galilee region, it's quite possible that He had the beautiful blue-green eyes that the people from that region were historically noted for having.

[soleil]

Yup.  I'd love to have some DUmp monkey have to listen to the Money Changer's guild tell their side of how "tolerant" the Savior was sometime.

Perhaps when they're going through "Orientation" at the gates of Hell? 

He was tolerant. Anyone who can forgive someone who is crucifying them is a very forgiving and tolerant person. He wasn't tolerant to unkindness though. And He wasn't tolerant to turning the other cheek. But He was much more accepting of all people than anyone is today.

[soleil]

He also spoke about how hard it is to get into Heaven. Just because He loved everyone (and why wouldn't He, His father made them) didn't mean he'd forgive people who were unrepentant. And remember, He's also the man who told his disciples to sell their cloak and buy a sword. He got rather testy with the money changers. And “Think not that I came to send peace on the earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law” Matthew 10:34-35

He was the Word made flesh. IOW, that hard stuff in the OT still counts. You can't just pick and choose the parts that fit your ideology...He came so that YOU could change to fit His ideology.

Cindie

I know what His teachings are. And they were of love, and no one knows but He who is and isn't repentent.  I mean let's talk divorce (for the most part), smoking, drinking, etc. All these are sinful. So, no I am not cherry picking, no one, not one single person, is free of sin. We feel more disdain for certain sins (murder,etc.), but if we are talking picking and and choosing, isnt' that what we are doing here?

[Vagabond]

I am smiling as I write this, you are so correct about Jesus.


HE was not a weak feminine man as HE is so often depicted in paintings,  no beautiful glowing blond locks of hair or sad insipid blue eyes.

This man was a Jew who came from 4-5 races. Was he not descended from the queen of Ethiopia?? 


He must have had a big time hissy fit when he alone barged into his temple and beat up the money changers. Is it any wonder the Rabies became upset with him HIM after that.??

  There are a few other passages I will have to look up as I remember in one he went to a mountain top to meditate and speak with GOD. His mother Mary most likely feed up with his strange, to her life, went looking for Him and demanded to know what he was doing. 

In the language of today she jacked him up with a "  Your father needs you in the shop to help him.  He turned to her and said "  Woman,--- [ sort of like calling your mother Lady] " My father is in heaven."

Taking the times and the humans involved I do not know how the family of Jesus survived his childhood or the short adulthood that is chronicled.


Fancy having a child born under mysterious circumstances, having to flee the country to keep him alive.  as the years go on more children are born that are very unlike your first.

This first born turns up at the very young age of 12 walking into temple and lecturing the Rabies that have taught their faith for 8,000 years or so.

This young boy grows into a man few can understand in his own family. Those outside the family come running to tell his mother that her son has cured a Leaper of a disease worse than Aids today.  He in one case rose the dead and another turned water into wine.

I can almost imagine Mary and Joseph rolling their eyes when their eldest son brings home a prostitute for dinner, gathers a crowd of people and tells the men to abandon their ageing parents and young children to follow HIM.

Soleil wrote :::: He's also the man who told his disciples to sell their cloak and buy a sword. He got rather testy with the money changers. And “Think not that I came to send peace on the earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law” Matthew 10:34-35

NO I do not understand all this, there are hundreds of written books or eye wittiness accounts that have never been made public.

Where the heck and what was the Son Of GOD doing all the missing years.?

2,000 years of humans trying to make sense of what little written  words we have of his life, a slight miss stroke of the pen back 1,000 years ago can completely change the meaning of the ancient texts.

Christianity today is a beautiful faith, but, if one takes selected pieces from it, it is no worse then the Islam faith.

He likely didn't "beat" anything. He gathered thrushes that were present at the scene, so you could look them up if you wanted to.  They wouldn't be suffucuent for that task. .  However, they would have been useful if Jesus had been shooing animals out of the front of the temple.  He had the moral authority, Shame and a gentle push is all that would have beeb necessary.

His addressing his mother as "woman" was not a perjorative in the sense we would understand it.

Yes, Jesus would have seemed an oddity, but now you doubt the faith of Mary, when her faith only maybe ever wained as Jesus hung on the cross.

He was also a rabbi, and more than a few men in hostory have married "prostitutes". 

As far as what he was doing.  Joseph was likely teaching him his trade.  Jesus probably played with the other village kids, he attended school and and worshipped at the temple.  I don't know this but if he grew up as a human child, he certainly did these things, they are not listed because they are mundane and would be understood.

I would point out that Mohammed did not die to save anyone who believed in his faith.  Instead he encouraged that it should be spread by the sword.  Engaged in war crimes, rape, child rape, first degree murder, and theft.  All according to either his own words or the words of his followers.  His authority came from the sword.  Jesus authority cam from being morally right.  They are as far apart two men can be.

[Duchess]

I know what His teachings are. And they were of love, and no one knows but He who is and isn't repentent.  I mean let's talk divorce (for the most part), smoking, drinking, etc. All these are sinful. So, no I am not cherry picking, no one, not one single person, is free of sin. We feel more disdain for certain sins (murder,etc.), but if we are talking picking and and choosing, isnt' that what we are doing here?

We know that any sin not washed away through repentance and salvation by the Blood of the Lamb can land  us in the destination of all sin-Hell, and that all sins are equal in that respect. That doesn't mean that they're all equal in societal consequences, or even in invoking God's righteous wrath. Stealing a Coke from the store is sin, and so is murder, but they don't have the same consequences as crimes. Nor do they have the same effect on society. And God Himself appears to find some sin more abhorrent-not more likely to land one in Hell than others, but more abhorrent. He didn't destroy cities for high murder rates, but for homosexuality. The sin for which He most often, almost always, punished and smote the children of Israel for was that of worshipping other gods.

[Duchess]

I know what His teachings are. And they were of love, and no one knows but He who is and isn't repentent.  I mean let's talk divorce (for the most part), smoking, drinking, etc. All these are sinful. So, no I am not cherry picking, no one, not one single person, is free of sin. We feel more disdain for certain sins (murder,etc.), but if we are talking picking and and choosing, isnt' that what we are doing here?

Oh, and yes we can have clues as to who is repentant-
Matthew 7:16-20 (King James Version)

 16Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?

 17Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.

 18A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

 19Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

 20Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

If a person blithely and unashamedly continues in an active homosexual lifestyle, it's safe to assume that they're unrepentant.

[delilahmused]

I know what His teachings are. And they were of love, and no one knows but He who is and isn't repentent.  I mean let's talk divorce (for the most part), smoking, drinking, etc. All these are sinful. So, no I am not cherry picking, no one, not one single person, is free of sin. We feel more disdain for certain sins (murder,etc.), but if we are talking picking and and choosing, isnt' that what we are doing here?

Yes they were of love, but not ONLY of love. The same God wrote both the new and old Testaments. No, I'm not picking and choosing. My point wasn't to pick and choose but to show Jesus was a lot more complicated than the peace, love, and commune guy the left tries to make him out to be every time they trot Jesus out. Much sacrifice is expected from those who follow Him. The Bible, like the Constitution, isn't a living, breathing document we can insert whatever beliefs we choose or whatever is fashionable at the moment.

Cindie

[soleil]

We know that any sin not washed away through repentance and salvation by the Blood of the Lamb can land  us in the destination of all sin-Hell, and that all sins are equal in that respect. That doesn't mean that they're all equal in societal consequences, or even in invoking God's righteous wrath. Stealing a Coke from the store is sin, and so is murder, but they don't have the same consequences as crimes. Nor do they have the same effect on society. And God Himself appears to find some sin more abhorrent-not more likely to land one in Hell than others, but more abhorrent. He didn't destroy cities for high murder rates, but for homosexuality. The sin for which He most often, almost always, punished and smote the children of Israel for was that of worshipping other gods.

Blasphemy is the only unforgiven sin. We will all stand in judgement, and thankfully it will be God judging us and no one else. Sodom and Gomarrha are a different story. I don't believe homosexuality is what destroyed those cities, but pride, fornication, and evil doings of all kinds.

[Lord Undies]

Blasphemy is the only unforgiven sin. We will all stand in judgement, and thankfully it will be God judging us and no one else. Sodom and Gomarrha are a different story. I don't believe homosexuality is what destroyed those cities, but pride, fornication, and evil doings of all kinds.

This is why you don't matter.  This is why you don't count.  You cannot be honest.  You cannot bring yourself to admit acting on ones homosexuality is an evil sin.  You want to put your words in God's mouth.  It doesn't work.  You don't work.  You must be a spiritually sick person.  

Here's a clue to help you face reality:  Sodomy was named after the city destroyed by God.  Sodomy is not illegal gaming tables and bathtub gin.

[Duchess]

Blasphemy is the only unforgiven sin. We will all stand in judgement, and thankfully it will be God judging us and no one else. Sodom and Gomarrha are a different story. I don't believe homosexuality is what destroyed those cities, but pride, fornication, and evil doings of all kinds.

Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is the only unforgiveable sin

Mark 3:2929 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation

All sin is "unforgiven" if the sinner is unrepentant has never asked for forgiveness. It's a conscious, individual, positive action that must be taken, not a passive universal one.

Only those whose die unrepentant in their sins will be judged on their sin, those who have asked for and received forgiveness in repentance will not be judged for their sin. Their names will be in the Book of Life and they will not be subject to that judgement.

I know those who support the homosexual agenda are always trying to twist the plain meaning of Scripture into something else, but it can't be rationally done. One of the first things a Bible scholar learns is that we are to accept the plain sense of Scripture first.

[soleil]

Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is the only unforgiveable sin

Mark 3:2929 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation

All sin is "unforgiven" if the sinner is unrepentant has never asked for forgiveness. It's a conscious, individual, positive action that must be taken, not a passive universal one.

Only those whose die unrepentant in their sins will be judged on their sin, those who have asked for and received forgiveness in repentance will not be judged for their sin. Their names will be in the Book of Life and they will not be subject to that judgement.

I know those who support the homosexual agenda are always trying to twist the plain meaning of Scripture into something else, but it can't be rationally done. One of the first things a Bible scholar learns is that we are to accept the plain sense of Scripture first.

Have you ever read "Prayers for Bobby"? Just curious. I read it back in 1998 for my Cultural Diversity class in college when I was 20. It is a good  but sad read.

[Duchess]

Have you ever read "Prayers for Bobby"? Just curious. I read it back in 1998 for my Cultural Diversity class in college when I was 20. It is a good  but sad read.

No I haven't, but I already had an idea what it would be about even before I googled it to find out, and I wasn't surprised.

Your argument against God's verdict on homosexuality isn't with me, it's with Him. if you don't believe His own words about, you may as well dismiss the rest of the Bible, and put His Son Jesus on a par with other "good men". Only you can't even do that, because how could a man be good if he told such outrageous lies about Himself as to call Himself God's Son and claim to have died for our sins and arose after three days?

I'm sure the story might pluck at the heartstrings, but that's one of the tactic the left-and the homosexual lobby- uses to gain support for their agenda. Even more heartrending than a mother opposing the life her homosexual child has chosen, is a mother seeing her homosexual child deliberately walk the broad path to eternal perdition. You tell me which is more important-the drop in the sea which is a human lifespan, or the boundless shore which is eternity.

Of course, if you don't believe in God and eternity and a decision to make which will determine one's eternity, that's different. You may as well do anything you like, within the bounds of the society in which you live. But you did say that you're a Christian.

[soleil]

No I haven't, but I already had an idea what it would be about even before I googled it to find out, and I wasn't surprised.

Your argument against God's verdict on homosexuality isn't with me, it's with Him. if you don't believe His own words about, you may as well dismiss the rest of the Bible, and put His Son Jesus on a par with other "good men". Only you can't even do that, because how could a man be good if he told such outrageous lies about Himself as to call Himself God's Son and claim to have died for our sins and arose after three days?

I'm sure the story might pluck at the heartstrings, but that's one of the tactic the left-and the homosexual lobby- uses to gain support for their agenda. Even more heartrending than a mother opposing the life her homosexual child has chosen, is a mother seeing her homosexual child deliberately walk the broad path to eternal perdition. You tell me which is more important-the drop in the sea which is a human lifespan, or the boundless shore which is eternity.

Of course, if you don't believe in God and eternity and a decision to make which will determine one's eternity, that's different. You may as well do anything you like, within the bounds of the society in which you live. But you did say that you're a Christian.

Are you as outspoken against divorce, lying, greediness, drunkeness, lusting, etc., as you are about homosexuality?

[Duchess]

Are you as outspoken against divorce, lying, greediness, drunkeness, lusting, etc., as you are about homosexuality?

If there was a political agenda to raise the status of any of those in my society, I would be, as needed. But even then, again, all sins are equally sin in as much as they will send you to hell-but all sins are not equal. There are sins which are utterly repugnant to society, and until relatively recently, this was common sense to all decent people. Bestiality would be one, pedophilia another. Of course, I don't support lying, divorce, drunkeness (I don't drink), adultery. I think it's weakened the church and weakened our moral force to have allowed these things to become tolerated in the last decades.

But adulterers aren't parading in the streets in obscene garb and showing everyone who will look just how perverted they can be.

And God didn't destroy two cities over murder.  (Though He did destroy the entire population other than Noah and family over sin in general--I have wondered how He hasn't yet destroyed the present population over the sickness in our present world).

Homosexuality is repugnant to God, repellent to most people (at least until after years of "normalising" it), and destructive to a healthy and decent society.

[Alpha Mare]

Have you ever read "Prayers for Bobby"? Just curious. I read it back in 1998 for my Cultural Diversity class in college when I was 20. It is a good  but sad read.

Have you ever read "Lamb: The Gospel Accoring to Biff"(Christ's Childhood Friend)?   Really funny book. And, like "Prayers for Bobby", has absolutely nothing to do with the true Jesus.

[Freeper]

So you are opposed to a gay person donating blood?

Lifesaving blood?

I am opposed to a gay giving blood. Just as I am opposed to heterosexuals who engage in risky behavior giving blood. There is no room for political correctness when it comes to things like this.

[Tucker]

I am opposed to a gay giving blood. Just as I am opposed to heterosexuals who engage in risky behavior giving blood. There is no room for political correctness when it comes to things like this.

The whole political correctness thing should be thrown out. Let's call a spade a spade.