Trump 2012?

[Chris_]

Trump has as much chance being elected president as he does being elected pope

[gurn]

Trump has as much chance being elected president as he does being elected pope

Oh I think he could win the General Election against Obama easily.

It would take a miracle for the GOP to nominate him though.

Trump gets a lot of cross-over appeal. That works against him in a GOP state primary
that doesn't allow cross-over voting.

Obama barely leads Trump
http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/02/poll-obama-barely-leads-trump-in-2012-mathcups.php

I don't place a lot of credence in Harris polls. But his latest one with Farleigh-Dickenson has Trump
leading all GOP candidates.

http://www.thestatecolumn.com/articles/donald-trumps-leads-latest-harris-poll/#ixzz1IEdwyeSG

That doesn't translate into GOP primaries though.

 

[DumbAss Tanker]

Here's my take - I'm sure I'll get some negatives, but I've thought about it.

There are some very intelligent, long term thinkers in the upper echelons of the Republican party.

I think it has already been decided a Democrat (Obama or another) will be elected in 2012.

I don't think the Republican party wants any part of Executive Branch responsibility for the Obamanite international repercussions/implosions/ violence coming around the bend from Iraq, Afghanistan, Egypt, Iran, Yemen, Syria, etc. - not to mention the massive debt.

I believe Republicans will concentrate on shoring up strong positions in the House and Senate, securing the opposition pulpit to what will be a very unstable term for the next chief executive.

They will be in position to both legislate in favor of fiscal responsibility and block any socialist initiatives coming from the White House.

Debt will doom the next President.

After that, energy will be the biggest headache , as it is currently inextricably bound to international events and presents a no-win situation.

If we wean off foreign oil, we must obtain more from domestic sources - a contentious issue, to say the least.

The technologies to replace fossil fuels are fraught with political land mines - nuclear is stalled and a mass program for alternate sources (solar, geothermal, wind, etc.) can not be initiated without greater taxes - and that won't fly.

The middle east will deteriorate rapidly - another no win for the next President - if we maintain forces in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, etc., we raise various domestic and international ire; if we recall them, the vacuum will be filled amid much violent recrimination by the indigenous peoples currently prevented from doing so, and the policy (and expenditure) will be deemed a failure.

The Republican controlled Congress can legislate heavily in the Tea Party's favor and be in perfect form to back a Republican candidate in 2016.

I can see how you would get there from what we see publicly, but I think even if they thought that way a year ago, any deep thinkers who are not simply dedicated to Democrat power and Keynesian economics at any cost have to have had a come-to-Jesus experience concerning the looming debt disaster over the past year. 

During the past year, particularly with the unrest and instability in the debt-burdened Mediterranean EU countries, it has begun to appear that the damage of continuing current policies beyond 2012 (To the extent that they even could be called consciously-chosen policies, rather than a horrifying collection of cascading unintended consequences) may be so catastrophic as to be unrecoverable for a generation.

[gurn]

Stuart Rothenberg tells us we can't even consider voting for Trump.

http://www.rollcall.com/issues/56_105/rothenberg-trump-2012-stupid-idea-funny-204584-1.html?pos=hbtxt

I guess that settles it.

Meanwhile, in New Hampshire, Trump has surged to 2nd place behind Romney.

http://www.myfoxboston.com/dpp/news/politics/local_politics/donald-trumps-support-surges-in-new-hampshire-25-ncx-20110405

And almost all of that comes Romney's expense. He's the anti-Romney.

Surprisingly, he's polling #3 in Iowa.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/ia/iowa_republican_presidential_primary-1588.html

There's something happening out there.

[Lacarnut]

Stuart Rothenberg tells us we can't even consider voting for Trump.

http://www.rollcall.com/issues/56_105/rothenberg-trump-2012-stupid-idea-funny-204584-1.html?pos=hbtxt

I guess that settles it.

Meanwhile, in New Hampshire, Trump has surged to 2nd place behind Romney.

http://www.myfoxboston.com/dpp/news/politics/local_politics/donald-trumps-support-surges-in-new-hampshire-25-ncx-20110405

And almost all of that comes Romney's expense. He's the anti-Romney.

Surprisingly, he's polling #3 in Iowa.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/ia/iowa_republican_presidential_primary-1588.html

There's something happening out there.

I for one am glad he is stirring the pot up. Don't think he has a chance at winning the nomination but he has a forceable and aggressive personality which is lacking with most of the weak kneeded critters in Congress. I think he could beat Obama handily. But I also see any Republican beating the Magic Negro. The thrill of Obama has sunk like a lead balloon.

I would vote for Trump but I will stay home if Romney gets the nomination. Romney is a slick liberal trying to make us think he is a conservative. I fell for that crap with McCain but not this time around.

[gurn]

I for one am glad he is stirring the pot up. Don't think he has a chance at winning the nomination but he has a forceable and aggressive personality which is lacking with most of the weak kneeded critters in Congress. I think he could beat Obama handily. But I also see any Republican beating the Magic Negro. The thrill of Obama has sunk like a lead balloon.

I would vote for Trump but I will stay home if Romney gets the nomination. Romney is a slick liberal trying to make us think he is a conservative. I fell for that crap with McCain but not this time around.

Agree. Hard to see how he can be nominated.

But wow! Something is happening out there.  

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2011/04/06/wsjnbc-poll-a-donald-trump-surprise/

I watched NBC News tonight. The MSM are going to try to impale him on the 'Birther' issue.

I get the impression he's being set up.   

Other candidates are picking up his message though. Cain became a Birther.
Huntsman made a feeble attempt to be 'tough on China'.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/07/world/asia/07china.html

Personally, I don't care much about what China does to its own people.
I care about what it's doing to my people.

[SaintLouieWoman]

Just what we need....a bad combover for president.

It's better than what we have now.

[FreeBorn]

Just watched this interview of Trump by Meredith Vierra-

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_thecutline/20110407/ts_yblog_thecutline/trump-brings-media-blitz-to-nbc-steamrolls-meredith-vieira-on-birther-issue

I am beginning to like this guy. Honestly I don't know all that much about him beyond the tabloid coverage over the years. I don't yet have a feel for who he really is but I am keeping an open mind. He's got my attention and lately I like what he's got to say.
I loved the expressions of outrage that flashed across her face throughout the whole exchange. Whaddya bet she went home after this and filled the bath tub with ice cubes? Oh noes!!!!

[FreeBorn]

The DUmptards are watching this one too-

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=4804523&mesg_id=4804523

[true_blood]

The DUmptards are watching this one too-
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=4804523&mesg_id=4804523

Good. Let them watch and weep.
I love it. About time someone put some teeth into the birth certificate issue. Trump and his "investigators" have found some "interesting things" about this subject.

[RealConservativePatriot]

Donald Trump is nothing more than an ugly, dumb, opportunist who only cares about himself and his money. You want to know why he is a birther? Its because he does not know any other issue. This guy is in love with political celebrities like the Clintons or Nancy Pelosi until he sees a way to gain attention by considering a run for President. He would be our first mentally disabled president.

[Lacarnut]

Donald Trump is nothing more than an ugly, dumb, opportunist who only cares about himself and his money. You want to know why he is a birther? Its because he does not know any other issue. This guy is in love with political celebrities like the Clintons or Nancy Pelosi until he sees a way to gain attention by considering a run for President. He would be our first mentally disabled president.

I think the present one in the W.H. has that nailed down.

I doubt that he will run but he sure has stirred up a hornet nest. Many people think that if Obama was not born in the US, she would have used it against him. I don't think so even if it is true because blacks would have been pissed off at her. They would have stayed home in droves, and a sizeable loss of the black vote would have doomed her campaign. I don't look for Hillary to run in 012 also. 

[delilahmused]

As long as he's investigating I hope he goes after the college records. I'd say make him a czar in the next administration...something like czar of Asian and Middle Eastern financial interests.

I'm not sure about the whole being born somewhere else but I'm pretty sure 0 has something to hide. I'd still like to see a Palin/Cain or Palin/West ticket just to watch the left twist their little sexist/racist selves in a knot.

Cindie

[FreeBorn]

Donald Trump is nothing more than an ugly, dumb, opportunist who only cares about himself and his money. You want to know why he is a birther? Its because he does not know any other issue. This guy is in love with political celebrities like the Clintons or Nancy Pelosi until he sees a way to gain attention by considering a run for President. He would be our first mentally disabled president.

Mentally disabled people aren't heavy in the ranks of billionaires.

The man brought up several points here, apart from the birth issue.

Please define your take on the definition of "Birther".

[gurn]

Mentally disabled people aren't heavy in the ranks of billionaires.

The man brought up several points here, apart from the birth issue.

Please define your take on the definition of "Birther".

Not many dumb opportunists around either. To be an opportunist, one has to at least be smart enough to spot an opportunity.

I have never seen a non-campaign run better than Trump's thus far. He's gone from zero up to 20+% in NH.
He's tied for second among candidates nationwide.

Dumb?

Nah.

[delilahmused]

Just what we need....a bad combover for president.

Well a bad comb over is better than the enthusiastic bend over we get now. And those he submits to don't even give us the courtesy of a reach-around. America gets screwed and we don't even get our rocks off.

Cindie

[Ballygrl]

Since Trump is 1 of the few, actually the only 1 in the Republican Party with enough cajones to ask the right questions, then someone needs to bring up to Trump Obama's college transcripts being sealed.

[Lacarnut]

Since Trump is 1 of the few, actually the only 1 in the Republican Party with enough cajones to ask the right questions, then someone needs to bring up to Trump Obama's college transcripts being sealed.

I think the real damage/fraud perpetrated by the Magic Negro is hidden in those college admission applications regarding his religion and birthplace. He was probably born in the US but lied on the applications.

[gurn]

If The issue continues, I think we will hear something to the effect that his long-form birth certificate was lost during the transition to digital copies. I don't think there is a long-form in the records.

I'm betting it's not there.

I honestly don't know where he was born. It doesn't make sense that his Mom would want to give birth in Kenya, where her Muslim Husband already had a wife waiting and where his father was adamantly against the mixed-race marriage. But who knows?

The Imam Barack has written two autobiographies. In them, there is a narrative that pins him down. That is probably what he is hiding, the holes in his plot. Opening up his college records and medical records will undermine his narrative. I hope it's something jucier. For instance, he bears no resemblance to his short, dark Kenyan father. Could it be the guy isn't his Dad at all? 

[Lacarnut]

. In them, there is a narrative that pins him down. That is probably what he is hiding, the holes in his plot. Opening up his college records and medical records will undermine his narrative. I hope it's something jucier. For instance, he bears no resemblance to his short, dark Kenyan father. Could it be the guy isn't his Dad at all? 

Trump has the connections and the money to dig deep into what Obama is hiding. It is pissing off the liberals and his worshipers which is a good thing.

[RealConservativePatriot]

Mentally disabled people aren't heavy in the ranks of billionaires.

The man brought up several points here, apart from the birth issue.

Please define your take on the definition of "Birther".

First of all, there are plenty of crazy rich people. Trump just happens to be famous, and he is a nutty narcissist who does not give a darn about the country.

Trump has some wacky ideas that are unrealistic with regards to foreign affairs. Have us take over the oil in Iraq? How about we focus on drilling more here instead of spending more over there, we had every right to go into Iraq but that does not mean we should take their oil, we liberated them from a brutal dictator who took their god given rights and freedoms.

My definition of a birther is someone who believes the President was not born in the U.S. Obama has been a bad president, and Trump should focus on that not some petty issue that has been resolved already.

[gurn]

First of all, there are plenty of crazy rich people. Trump just happens to be famous, and he is a nutty narcissist who does not give a darn about the country.

Trump has some wacky ideas that are unrealistic with regards to foreign affairs. Have us take over the oil in Iraq? How about we focus on drilling more here instead of spending more over there, we had every right to go into Iraq but that does not mean we should take their oil, we liberated them from a brutal dictator who took their god given rights and freedoms.

My definition of a birther is someone who believes the President was not born in the U.S. Obama has been a bad president, and Trump should focus on that not some petty issue that has been resolved already.

We liberated Iraq so that Iran could dominate it. And both of them can sell all their oil to China.
Perfect. Americans are generous to a fault. (Remember: Iraq is 70% Shia - like Iran).

Iraq owes the US big-time. We need to take it in oil. Or else we blockade their ports
and destroy their pipelines to make sure that oil doesn't go to our enemies Iran & China.

Help the Rebels in Libya? No problem. They pay us in oil. Help Qaddafi? No problem.
He pays us in oil.

Trump is right AFAIC. We can't afford this s*it anymore. It's time to take care of America first.

I personally wish he'd go lightly on the Birther issue, at least until he gets nominated.
But this hasn't been 'settled'. It won't be settled as long as Imam Barack refuses to
release his records.

[true_blood]

Donald Trump is nothing more than an ugly, dumb, opportunist who only cares about himself and his money. You want to know why he is a birther? Its because he does not know any other issue. This guy is in love with political celebrities like the Clintons or Nancy Pelosi until he sees a way to gain attention by considering a run for President. He would be our first mentally disabled president.

WRONG!!
I bet he does WAY better job than the imam in the white mosque we currently have.

[true_blood]

We liberated Iraq so that Iran could dominate it. And both of them can sell all their oil to China.
Perfect. Americans are generous to a fault. (Remember: Iraq is 70% Shia - like Iran).

Iraq owes the US big-time. We need to take it in oil. Or else we blockade their ports
and destroy their pipelines to make sure that oil doesn't go to our enemies Iran & China.

Help the Rebels in Libya? No problem. They pay us in oil. Help Qaddafi? No problem.
He pays us in oil.

Trump is right AFAIC. We can't afford this s*it anymore. It's time to take care of America first.

I personally wish he'd go lightly on the Birther issue, at least until he gets nominated.
But this hasn't been 'settled'. It won't be settled as long as Imam Barack refuses to
release his records.

BINGO! Well played.
No wonder why Savage has Trump on his show all. Savage says/thinks the same exact thing.

[BlueStateSaint]

There's a piece on RedState today about Trump--it's in the Member Diaries.  From the second sentence to the end of the first paragraph, it reads . . .

Trump is feisty, decisive, not a bit afraid of a fight, and extremely knowledgeable about money.  And that’s what it’s all about.  A total political outsider who tells it like it is and is well aware of the nature of the crisis we’re in.

Haven't we heard lately that the debt is going to be the national security problem of the future?

Incredibly egocentric, to be sure.  But you don't get to his level of success without being egotistical.  And what's the ultimate job for an egomaniac?  President of the United States.

Just sayin' . . .

Oh--the link to that piece on RedState:

http://www.redstate.com/skipmaclure/2011/04/13/trump%e2%80%a6-the-patriot-favorite/