Trump 2012?

[CactusCarlos]

Trump on Korea:

“Let me give you an example,” Trump says. “South Korea. We send our ships to protect them.  Do they pay us?  They don’t pay us. Why are we protecting them, and if we’re going to protect them, why aren’t they paying us?”

Trump on Iraq:

Trump also believes we should be reimbursed by Iraq for liberating that country.  â€œThey have $15 trillion worth of oil.  Why aren’t we taking our money back?  Why aren’t we getting it back?”

I don't see these as anything more than chest-thumping.  Saying all this is one thing, actually doing them is quite another.

[gurn]

Trump on Iraq:

I don't see these as anything more than chest-thumping.  Saying all this is one thing, actually doing them is quite another.

He's the only one saying it right now. So I commend him for that.

I'm hoping a GOP candidate who can be nominated starts saying it too.

I agree with him. We protect South Koreans so that American jobs can be shipped there
and they can get rich selling to China. We saved their a**es in a war, just so they could
get rich at our expense.

Is America a great country, or what?

Who's -paying for all this s*it? Iraq should be paying us back in oil. Ditto for Libya.

But we liberated Iraq so that Shias in Iran could govern it & sell oil to China.

No wonder the world thinks Americans are stupid -- we are!  

***
http://stonezone.com/

Roger Stone reports good news/bad news for Trump.

1. He has better nationwide approvals than GOP candidates he tested against.

2. Right now he couldn't win Iowa, New Hampshire or South Carolina.
And he probably won't be able to win them either.

Donald Trump has an approval rating higher than better-known political quantities Mitt Romney and Tim Pawlenty, the latest WSJ/NBC poll found.

The poll tested the three potential 2012 hopefuls, along with House Speaker John Boehner, and found Trump leading the pack. Trump's numbers were 9 percent "very positive" and 17 percent "somewhat positive," for a combined total of 26 percent...

One storm cloud on the horizon; a recent Iowa poll by We Ask America showed Trump in fifth place with former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee still the Iowa frontrunner.

A "We Ask America" poll in Iowa finds Mike Huckabee leading the Republican presidential race with 20%, followed by Sarah Palin at 14%, Newt Gingrich at 13%, Mitt Romney at 13%, Donald Trump at 9%, Ron Paul at 5%, Tim Pawlenty at 4%, Haley Barbour at 3% and Mitch Daniels at 2%.

Trump is a stronger general election candidate than he is a candidate for the Republican nomination. Trump must concentrate on New Hampshire, Nevada and Florida and lower expectations in Iowa and South Carolina where the large Evangelical Christian electorate is unlikely to support the New York billionaire.

He is the kind of candidate who would have a shot in Florida -  if he lasts that long.
But it would really take a miracle for the GOP to nominate him.

Most likely, GOP primary voters won't hire him. And that's a shame AFAIC.
I think his platform is what can save America. And time's running out.

[true_blood]

I hope he runs. Run the Country like a business, not an empire.

[Janice]

His speech indicates he could run as a republican.

His campaign donations to Hillary and other dems:

(D)Sen ChucKy (shmucky) Schumer = $400,$1600,$2000
(I)Gov Charlie (repuke turned independant) Crist = $2400 x2
(D)Sen Hillary (the hildebeast) Clintoon = $2300,$1700
(D)Anthony (the) Wiener = $2000
(D)Sen Kirsten Gilebrand = $10,000,$2400 x2
(D)Caroline Maloney = $1000
(D)Bill Nelson = $2000
(D)Harry Reid = $2400
(r)John McCain = $1000 x3, $2300 x2, $28,450
(D)Robert Andrews = $6900
(D)Arlen Spector = $1300
Democrat Senatorial Committee = $25,000

... would indicate that he could also run as a democrat. Unfortunately the dem ticket is already spoken for. So whats left?

Aww yes. The republican ticket. I get it now.

I think we already have those in the republican "leadership" who could for all tense and purposes run on either ticket ... if the other is not already spoken for.

I have an idea ... lets have a look at his record. How has he voted on issues in the past? What? You say what??

Did he at least vote "present"? On anything??

Well how does that work? You want this guy to start in what office?

[gurn]

I don't care if he's donated to Dems.

He is the only candidate -- in my lifetime -- to speak the truth about China, Korea and America's
role as the gratuitous (free of charge) world cop.

Our college-educated kids can't find jobs. Americans are turning on each other
because good-paying jobs are vanishing. Government workers' unions have become
extortion rackets because private sector jobs are vanishing and they're the only
game in town.

America is in decline. And I don't know what it will take for Americans to wake up & to reverse it.
I know this much -- not one Republican or Democrat -- except Trump -- is talking about
what needs to be done.

Pawlenty? Romney? Barbour? Huckabee (The governor from Wal-Mart)?
Obama (Lang Lang's gracious host)?

On Trump's issue, they're all the same. Only Trump has gone out on a limb.
God bless him for that AFAIC. That takes more guts than voting 'present'.

Palin has taken a small step -- but not nearly far enough.

[Janice]

Why should any of them "take a position"?

Its too early.

Too much time for the left and the media to tear them a new one.

Your jumping the gun my friend. Unless of course you WANT the left to tear our guys up.

Good thing your not running anybodys campaign.

[gurn]

 

"I dealt with Gadhafi," he said in a phone call to "Fox and Friends."

"I rented him a piece of land. He paid me more for one night than the land was worth for two years _ and then I didn't let him use the land. I don't want to use the world 'screwed,' but I screwed him. That's what we should be doing."

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/news/ap/politics/2011/Mar/22/hl_trump__newt__palin__who_will_take_on_obama_in_2012_presid.html

Oh Lord, please work a miracle here! Get this guy nominated. That's my prayer.

[gurn]

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2011/03/23/2011-03-23_donald_trump_takes_charge_he_may_not_become_president_but_gop_candidates_can_lea.html

In the past few months, he's been telling anyone who will listen about his vision for the country. Borrowing somewhat from the left, he wants America to be "respected again" by other countries - not just feared. On the other hand, he's both pro-life and pro-gun. He thinks that China is laughing at us*, and he once "screwed" Moammar Khadafy. He's even weighing in on the viability of certain other Republican candidates. (Sorry, Ron Paul: He's not a fan.)...

Even though Trump may just be testing the waters, in his relatively short wake he's already left behind a sea of bobbing suits in Mitt Romney, Tim Pawlenty, Mike Huckabee and Newt Gingrich, who look strikingly sober and downright dour next to Donald Trump. Trump's hair alone has more name recognition than Pawlenty.

That's because, as great salesmen do, Trump has located a gap in the marketplace, and he is capitalizing on it. He recognizes that Republicans - and more crucially, some independents - want the next President to be more hawkish on foreign policy, smarter on the economy and better at communicating both our successes and failures.

And he's been touting a more muscular response to the deficit, suggesting that we hit China and South Korea with a massive tax for "taking advantage of us," and that we send any country that our military protects a bill at the end of the month for services rendered. He's also suggested we tell the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries exactly where it can go. And he's been refreshingly blunt on everything from Obamacare to nuclear energy.

All of this - foreign policy machismo, creative budget-balancing and clear leadership - are Trump's bold answers to Obama's hemming and hawing. Are you listening, Mitt, Newt and Tim?

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/opinions/2011/03/23/2011-03-23_donald_trump_takes_charge_he_may_not_become_president_but_gop_candidates_can_lea.html#ixzz1HSKZfcKN

(* China is laughing at us.)

[gurn]

The Donald on the View:

Listen to the applause he gets when he repeats,

"I want him to show his birth certificate,".

He also says, "There's something on that he doesn't like."

I think he was born in Hawaii. But I think that is right.
There is something on that BC he doesn't want the public to know.

Old long form birth certificates sometimes listed religion.
Did this birth certificate list "race". What did it say?
Was the father's name on the birth certificate?

I've never been a 'birther'. But Trump has turned me into one.

http://www.breitbart.tv/trump-to-obama-show-us-the-birth-certificate/
 

[Janice]

Thanks for the vid gurn. I'll add that to my birther stuff.

[gurn]

Thanks for the vid gurn. I'll add that to my birther stuff.

This is one of the most bizarre controversies I've ever seen in American politics.

1. The short-form birth certificate released by Obama references a long form birth certificate in the archives.

2. Either the long-form exists or it does not. I think it's reasonable to assume that it does.

3. But if #2 is the case, why doesn't Obama just request it be released?

4. The Governor of Hawaii wanted to release but could not -- according to him -- because
of privacy laws. Obama can waive those privacy rights, by consenting to release of the long form.
But he doesn't.

That all adds up to:  

Here is a long-form birth certificate.



Short form:



I see only two possibilities here. Either Obama is very stupid, or he's hiding something.
I think the most plausible explanation is that he's so full of himself, he doesn't see how
stupidly he's handled this.

Maybe there is a third possibility. Maybe he'll consent to releasing the long form at a time
that helps his campaign in 2012. But that wasn't the vibe I got from the Governor of Hawaii
on TV when I saw him speak to the issue. The vibe I got was that he was distressed & upset
about something.  

This is a very strange episode.  

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1348916/Hawaii-governor-says-Obamas-birth-record-exists-produce-it.html

[Gov.] Abercrombie said on Tuesday that an investigation had unearthed papers proving Obama was born in Hawaii in 1961.
He told Honolulu's Star-Advertiser: 'It actually exists in the archives, written down,' he said.
But it became apparent that what had been discovered was an unspecified listing or notation of Obama's birth that someone had made in the state archives and not a birth certificate.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1348916/Hawaii-governor-says-Obamas-birth-record-exists-produce-it.html#ixzz1HTEMf8mi

[Ballygrl]

On the youtube I saw today Whoopie wanted to know why everyone wants Obama to show his birth certificate, and she said no 1 asked George Bush to show his, well here's why we want to see his Birth Certificate Whoopie:

His Grandmother said she was there at his birth, in Kenya!

Obama's election was historic, why hasn't the Doctor who delivered him come forward? or the Doctor's family? or the Nurse's?

What Hospital was he born at? Obama says 1 Hospital and his Sister says another!

My Birth Certificate has my Mother and Father's name, their age, their place of birth, how many live births resulted from this pregnancy, the Doctor's name etc.

[gurn]

Reading the Daily Mail article, it appears that there is no long form birth certificate in the archives.  

There is some kind of notation or handwritten entry?

And in the same interview Abercrombie suggested that a long-form, hospital-generated birth certificate for Barack Obama may not exist within the vital records maintained by the Hawaii Department of Health.
He said efforts were still being made to track down definitive vital records that would prove Obama was born in Hawaii.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1348916/Hawaii-governor-says-Obamas-birth-record-exists-produce-it.html#ixzz1HTFNsQNl

Trump's a billionaire. People like that understand 'due diligence'. They generally don't pop off without knowing something.
It looks like there is really something there. And the Birthers are owed a big apology.

[Ballygrl]

I agree that Trump just wouldn't throw something like that out there.

Also I have to ask this question because I've always been on the fence about it though more and more I lean toward the birthers, I've asked this question a few times before on other boards, wouldn't someone know the truth? like the CIA and or FBI? and if so why would they keep quiet on something like this? this would be a Constitutional Crisis, the same question could be asked of members of Congress, wouldn't someone know the truth? and if so is the thought of being called a racist that strong that it would prevent them from talking about it? or is there something more?

[gurn]

NSA might know something. I have zero confidence in the CIA/FBI.
It was a Hillary Dem who started all this Birther stuff. It would not surprise me
if the Clintons know what's up.

I was not a Birther at all, until I heard Trump mention it. Even then I thought,
"Why did he have to go there?"

But did you notice how confident he was on The View, and how nervous the hosts were?
Yeah, Trump has a big mouth. But he has crearted a stir with this and has not backed off.
He's even upped the ante. I suspect he knows something we don't. So do the Clintons.

Legally, the short form refers to something more complete in the record. .
It's true that the short form is valid evidence of citizenship to Federal and state agencies.
However, it's also clear that if the record the short form refers to doesn't exist,
the short form is invalid.
 
In the words of Conway Twitty, "Think about that darlin,".
 
After watching Abercrombie, it's reasonable to suspect something is very wrong here.  

[Ballygrl]

NSA might know something. I have zero confidence in the CIA/FBI.
It was a Hillary Dem who started all this Birther stuff. It would not surprise me
if the Clintons know what's up.

I was not a Birther at all, until I heard Trump mention it. Even then I thought,
"Why did he have to go there?"

But did you notice how confident he was on The View, and how nervous the hosts were?
Yeah, Trump has a big mouth. But he has crearted a stir with this and has not backed off.
He's even upped the ante. I suspect he knows something we don't. So do the Clintons.

Legally, the short form refers to something more complete in the record. .
It's true that the short form is valid evidence of citizenship to Federal and state agencies.
However, it's also clear that if the record the short form refers to doesn't exist,
the short form is invalid.
 
In the words of Conway Twitty, "Think about that darlin,".
 
After watching Abercrombie, it's reasonable to suspect something is very wrong here.  

Why didn't Hillary use that info though? she would've won the Presidency if she did.

[Ballygrl]

Oh and gurn, look at this:

http://www.westernjournalism.com/exclusive-investigative-reports/the-mystery-of-barack-obama-continues/

[gurn]

Wow!

Concerning the SSN's, what interests me is he changed #'s from the state senate to the US Senate.
Otherwise, he was probably giving fake SSN's to landlords.

The school loan thing is fascinating too. Why would Saudis pay for Harvard?
He was born a Muslim. That's in Sharia. He claims he converted.

Why the Clintons didn't bits this open is beyond me.
But Trump is running with it. God bless him for that. When will the others
Question it?

This is scary too. If his benefactors or China sense America is going to elect
A stronger President, somebody might attack while we're weak.

(I hate stupid iPad!) 

[gurn]

I forgot something. I have a friend who actually went to High School w/Obama in Hawaii.
I never asked him what name he was using though, Soetero or Obama.

The name on the Hawaii short-form is Obama. So I think he was using that.
But there is a pretty good record that Obama attended High School in Hawaii.
So I think it's unlikely that he attended Occidental as a foreign exchange student.
But it's not unthinkable that he'd use fake SSN's for landlords. After all, he admitted
to snorting Cocaine back then.

About the Selective Service record, he may have neglected to register.
I never registered for Selective Service. But that's because I enlisted &
was Honorably Discharged from the Army.

Quite a few people don't register.

I thought -- oh yeah. Two tours in Vietnam and they're going to arrest me for not registering
for the draft?  Bring it on.

BTW, I asked snopes.com to look into the different SSN's. Specifically I asked about his
SSN at the State Legislature & his SSN in the US Senate.

[Ballygrl]

I think people are speculating that he used Soetoro and claimed foreign status in College.

[gurn]

I think people are speculating that he used Soetoro and claimed foreign status in College.

Probably not.

On the Occidental Website, there is this:

http://www.oxy.edu/x9783.xml

Feb. 18, 1981: Barack Obama '83 makes his first political speech at a South African divestment rally.

He's hiding something though. And Trump has not let go of this birth certificate thing.
I hope he's on to something. He's out on a limb. And he's the only candidate questioning it.

Something else, Trump has Roger Stone.

http://stonezone.com/

He's always been very good at stuff like this.

[Chris_]

Well, not in this lifetime anyway.

[RealConservativePatriot]

Another issue I have with Trump, this guy would not have invaded Iraq. Saddam had the capability to build WMD and was secretive even after U.N. action, plus he murdered 2 million people and his sons raped school girls, and yet the Donald opposed the war. Poor judgment on his part, shame on him, and he won't get my vote.

[gurn]

Another issue I have with Trump, this guy would not have invaded Iraq. Saddam had the capability to build WMD and was secretive even after U.N. action, plus he murdered 2 million people and his sons raped school girls, and yet the Donald opposed the war. Poor judgment on his part, shame on him, and he won't get my vote.

His position today is that since we liberated Iraq, it ought to be paying for it in oil.

I agree.

It appears we liberated Iraq free of charge. Now, they are governed by Shias sympathetic to Iran - not to us. And they are selling oil to the Chinese.

Trump's words:

"Are they paying us? Why aren't they paying us?"

Now we're helping another oil rich country, Libya free-of-charge. And Al Qaeda is on our side in this one.

[gurn]

Trump & Ga-Daffy:


[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Awz7YpMpO_k [/youtube]