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Re: Trump 2012?
« Reply #75 on: March 27, 2011, 12:08:05 AM »
His position today is that since we liberated Iraq, it ought to be paying for it in oil.

I agree.

It appears we liberated Iraq free of charge. Now, they are governed by Shias sympathetic to Iran - not to us. And they are selling oil to the Chinese.

Trump's words:

Now we're helping another oil rich country, Libya free-of-charge. And Al Qaeda is on our side in this one.

Iraq is a young democracy, and we successfully over threw an evil regime and replaced it with an elected government. That government is far from perfect, but better than before. Rumsfeld lied when he said the war would pay for its self. The truth is, the Iraq has been a success and Donald Trump does not understand the different between right and wrong, nor does he understand foreign affairs. Not everything is about money.

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Re: Trump 2012?
« Reply #76 on: March 27, 2011, 02:57:33 AM »
Trump on Iraq:

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“Iraq now is a breeding ground for terrorists. It’s called the Harvard University of terrorism,” he said, adding, “We’ve totally de-neutered [Iraq], and as soon as we leave, Iran is going to take over the oil.

“But they won’t be doing it if I’m President. I can tell you right now...“They have $15 trillion worth of oil.  
Why aren’t we taking our money back?  Why aren’t we getting it back?”

on Korea:

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“South Korea. We send our ships to protect them.  Do they pay us?  They don’t pay us. Why are we protecting them, and if we’re going to protect them, why aren’t they paying us?”

Trump on China:

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Trump has special ire in his heart for China. “No single country has ever done to us what China is doing to us right now. I would institute a 25% tax on all products made in China.” Trump insists that the mere threat of such an excise tax may deter the Chinese from their avaricious appetite for manipulating currency and stealing technological secrets.
“I believe in free trade, but it has to be fair trade,” Trump stated emphatically. “We lose $300 billion a year dealing with China.  That’s not the kind of free trade that I’m talking about.”

Trump on OPEC:

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“They wouldn’t even be there if it weren’t for us. We have soldiers in Saudi Arabia they don’t pay for.  
Why aren’t they [paying for them]

Trump on Obama:

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"I want him to show his birth certificate. I want him to show his birth certificate,
"There's something on that birth certificate that he doesn't like,"

Show me another Republican saying the same things -- I'll be happy to support that candidate.
It's pretty clear which Republican right now is not afraid to speak out on those issues.
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"Our weak President, that kisses everybody's ass, is in more wars than I have ever seen. Now he's in Libya, he's in Afghanistan, he's in Iraq. Nobody respects us."
"This guy got the Nobel Peace Prize and every time I look is he's going into another country."

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Re: Trump 2012?
« Reply #77 on: March 27, 2011, 09:56:36 AM »
This will help the other candidates to also pursue a more direct confrontational approach against the 0dumbo machine. The Donalds approach on the Birth Cert will also go a long way towards easing the 'hands off' attitude most have had until now.

I believe all the candidates will bring their own 'flavor' to the stew. Emboldening one another. This is a good thing... no matter which one comes out on top.
Reagan bankrupted the Soviet Empire ...

Obama is bankrupting the American Republic

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Re: Trump 2012?
« Reply #78 on: March 27, 2011, 11:15:17 AM »
I agree. Even El-Rushbo is applauding him on that.
He's performing a public service & being a patriot here.

I hope he keeps pushing the China & tariffs issues too.
The real pressure will be on Trump to drop those.
And it will be unreported back-channel stuff.

I don't think GM, Wal-Mart, JP Morgan/Chase, HSBC, Goldman-Sachs are too worried about Obama's
birth papers or even if he's re-elected. But Trump is probably scaring the Hell out of them right now
with what he's saying about China, Korea & OPEC.

Imagine what the Central Committee of the Chicoms is thinking.

He's shaking things up and he hasn't even decided if he's going to run.
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Re: March 26th, 2011 on Geraldo "I just want to see the birth certificate,"
« Reply #79 on: March 28, 2011, 12:42:51 AM »
Trump on Geraldo - March 26, 2011.

He's not backing down. For better or worse, he is staking his chances for the nomination
on this issue. I'd hate to see it blow up in his face. But I think he may know something.

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Geraldo: "So what is your intention? How far are you going to press this?"

Trump: "Look Geraldo, if he's not born...and there is a chance, it might be small,
and it might not be so small. There is a chance that he wasn't born in this country.

Geraldo, if this were you...why wouldn't you show it? If it exists, why wouldn't you show it?
And then you end the issue. And frankly, I don't want to be right on this issue. I'm not even
certain I am right. I just want to see the birth certificate."


Geraldo: Don't you worry that it's a huge distraction from the issues that are pressing us
from every side?


Trump: "No I don't, because it's a very strong point that you have to be born in this country."
I don't think that's a huge disruption. I think you have to be born in this country."
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Notice Geraldo's facial expression throughout this. Is he confident here? Or is he worried?

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tP1WV_RWExk[/youtube]

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Then watch Mike Huckabee try to weasel out of it when he follows up Trump.
No way I will vote for Huckabee.

And God bless Donald Trump!  :yahoo:
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Re: Trump 2012?
« Reply #80 on: March 28, 2011, 09:33:33 AM »
This will help the other candidates to also pursue a more direct confrontational approach against the 0dumbo machine. The Donalds approach on the Birth Cert will also go a long way towards easing the 'hands off' attitude most have had until now.

I believe all the candidates will bring their own 'flavor' to the stew. Emboldening one another. This is a good thing... no matter which one comes out on top.

We need a candidate that will take a confrontational approach to Obama's policies on spending, taxes, wealth distribution, energy and a host of other issues rather than a weak kneed wimp like McCain. A ball buster like Palin, Bachman or Cain would be nice.  

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Re: Trump 2012?
« Reply #81 on: March 28, 2011, 05:21:31 PM »
He's at it again.

Trump Releases Birth Certificate

I'm glad Trump is opening this up. He's turned me into a Birther. But what's the end-game here?
I hope this doesn't drown out what he is saying about China & trade. That's the important part of his message AFAIC.

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Here is what I know about the law on this subject.

1. The short-form certificate refers to another document in the records.

2. If the record the short-form refers to is not there - then the short form has no legal basis. It's only an
extract or a summary of something else in the records.

3. If Obama were born outside the US and his grandmother managed to obtain a short-form birth certificate anyway,
(which is very plausible), Obama would basically be an undocumented immigrant. Some people wrongly use the term,
"illegal alien".  (I won't address issues of document fraud here.)

4. The Federal agencies which handle this sort of thing, USCIS (formerly INS) & DOS (Department of State),
all accept short-form birth certificates as evidence of citizenship. They do not require more. And this is important -
if a state certifies the birth on a short-form - the Federal Government will not question the state's certification.

5. Think about that. Is Hawaii going to backtrack and declare the short-form birth certificate is invalid?
Their Governor was a friend of Obama's parents! And unless the state de-certifies his birth, there is no
cause for a Federal agency to question it.


6. Also, Birth can also be proven under US law by affidavit, two persons with personal knowledge of the event
swear they were alive, and had knowledge of the birth at the time it occurred. So a legal loophole may exist,
that the short-form refers to other evidence, not a hospital-generated long form.

7. If the GOP got some courage, a House committee could subpoena the Hawaii archive on material on Obama.
Don't expect that to happen any time soon.

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Add it all up. Trump and the Birthers are still a long, long way from proving their case.
Even IF they show there is no long form, what then?

You'll have a gaggle of witnesses, all claiming they had personal knowledge of Obama's birth in Hawaii.
No doubt, they'll be lying.

The most plausible hypothesis I've heard is that he was born elsewhere. His Mom flew back with the baby
and wasn't questioned. His grandmother & Mom wanted to avoid paperwork hassles for school or with immigration.
So they were able to obtain a short-form birth certificate. There is no long-form in the record.
He wasn't born at either hospital on the island.

Trump's a bull dog on this. That's great. But I hope it doesn't become a side-show.
What Trump is saying about China & US trade policy is too important. Our kids get out of college
and they can't find jobs. Something has to change. And he's the only candidate with a plan to save this country.

That's what attracted me to his message - not the birth certificate issue. This controversy gets him some votes
and media attention. But I hope it doesn't drown out his real message.
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Trump's foreign policy: "We stay and we keep the oil."
« Reply #82 on: March 31, 2011, 08:53:32 PM »
Everybody needs to watch this.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/donald-trump-accuses-obama-of-warmongering-while-kissing-everybodys-ass/

The United States has been the nursemaid for the world's squalling brats - always on call.
Always passing out free milk. With Obama, it's chocolate milk.

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We go in. We conquer and then we hand it to people we don't even know.

Now who are the people who are going to be running Iraq?
The person who hates the United States the most will be running Iraq.

So in a nutshell, we go in. We take over the second-largest oil fields
and we stay."

Or at least they pay us with oil for liberating them.

"Are they paying us? Why aren't they paying us?"

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/donald-trump-accuses-obama-of-warmongering-while-kissing-everybodys-ass/
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"This guy got the Nobel Peace Prize and every time I look is he's going into another country."

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Re: Trump's foreign policy: "We stay and we keep the oil."
« Reply #83 on: March 31, 2011, 09:19:43 PM »
Everybody needs to watch this.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/donald-trump-accuses-obama-of-warmongering-while-kissing-everybodys-ass/

The United States has been the nursemaid for the world's squalling brats - always on call.
Always passing out free milk. With Obama, it's chocolate milk.

Or at least they pay us with oil for liberating them.

"Are they paying us? Why aren't they paying us?"

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/donald-trump-accuses-obama-of-warmongering-while-kissing-everybodys-ass/

We have already gotten a screw job on the oil lease bidding in Iraq. The Chinese and EU got most of them because of the very low amount of profit if any that they will receive from production rather than price. The government will pay them a couple of dollars a barrel. Large American companies like EXXON did not bid. We get our boys killed, spend billions and this is the thanks we get. I think we should just go take the oil from these sorry bastards. 

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Re: Trump 2012?
« Reply #84 on: March 31, 2011, 10:04:13 PM »
This will help the other candidates to also pursue a more direct confrontational approach against the 0dumbo machine. The Donalds approach on the Birth Cert will also go a long way towards easing the 'hands off' attitude most have had until now.

I believe all the candidates will bring their own 'flavor' to the stew. Emboldening one another. This is a good thing... no matter which one comes out on top.

Don't hold your breath:

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Former Minnesota governor Tim Pawlenty, a likely GOP presidential candidate next year, said today on MSNBC's Morning Joe, "I, for one, do not believe that we should be raising that issue. ... I think President Obama was born in the United States."
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Re: Trump 2012?
« Reply #85 on: April 01, 2011, 02:06:01 AM »
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The Donald:

"Our weak President, who kisses everybody's a**, is in more wars than I've ever seen. Now he's in Libya,
he's in Afghanistan. He's in Iraq....You're talking at me like I'm a war-monger. This guy got the Nobel Peace Prize and every time I look,
he's going into another country. "
 :hammer:

God bless the Donald. I pray a miracle happens. Can you imagine him debating Obama?

I think Rupert Murdoch wants to hush Trump up on China. O'Reilly is trying to keep him away from the subject.

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From what we can see (above), Pawlenty's in the tank on the birth certificate and so is Huckabee.
They had a chance to say something. They crawfished away from the issue.

I'm giving Palin some credit for talking about China in her India speech. But right now AFAIC, Trump is the only one telling it like it is.
I expect good things from Bachmann. But I think of those three, Trump can win the General Election. I'm not sure about Palin or Bachmann.

He's shaking up everything and he hasn't even decided if he's running.
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Re: Trump 2012?
« Reply #86 on: April 01, 2011, 04:16:34 AM »
1. "25% Tax on China unless they behave."

2. You stay and you keep the oil. (Iraq)

3. "China and OPEC are destroying our country.".

4. "Our weak President, who kisses everybody's a**, is in more wars than I've ever seen!"  :hammer:

5. "I mean what, can I do worse?....This guy got the Nobel Peace Prize and every time I look, he's going into another country."  :rotf:
 
 :cheersmate: [youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYrZOaLTS7Y[/youtube]
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O'Reilly: But you're threatening China with a trade war.

Trump: Bill, they're threatening us.
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OMG, I don't think you are going to hear a politician say another great quote like that for years.
This might be the best two lines of the 2012 campaign. And the guy hasn't even announced.

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"Our weak President, who kisses everybody's a**, is in more wars than I've ever seen!
"I mean what, can I do worse?....This guy got the Nobel Peace Prize and every time I look, he's going into another country."
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Re: Trump 2012?
« Reply #87 on: April 01, 2011, 06:52:05 AM »
1. "25% Tax on China unless they behave."

2. You stay and you keep the oil. (Iraq)

3. "China and OPEC are destroying our country.".

4. "Our weak President, who kisses everybody's a**, is in more wars than I've ever seen!"  :hammer:

5. "I mean what, can I do worse?....This guy got the Nobel Peace Prize and every time I look, he's going into another country."  :rotf:
 
 :cheersmate: [youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYrZOaLTS7Y[/youtube]***

OMG, I don't think you are going to hear a politician say another great quote like that for years.
This might be the best two lines of the 2012 campaign. And the guy hasn't even announced.


About the birthers, in the state of Maine my poor old Mother , because of her age had to take a eye exam and a driving test to renew her drivers license, ---no problem there but as she was renewing a license's she had held of 50+ YEARS SHE ALSO HAD TO SUBMIT HER BIRTH CIRTIFICATE.

  Not the certificate of live birth but the long form that gave information on the number of births the mother had, her mothers maiden name  her place of work, her fathers job at the time, the hospital she was born at and the Doctors name who delivered her.    The address the parents were living at when she was born in 1921.

Now I went a looking for my NO. 2 sons birth certificate born in Hawaii, same deal, same information as to what was on my Moms birth certificate, date and time of his birth, Hospital, name of doctor delivering him, name of father and his military service number, my job as NONE-loved that one--both the places of birth for myself and hubby   ETC.    If you are checking out genology here is where to find out where the great grand parents were born and what they were doing when ones grandmother was born.

About Trump far as I can see this Dude has too much money to be bribed, he has fallen and got right back up and come about a better man.

He knows the worse of the worse in the scams and knows how to put them at a disadvantage.  Trump is a very dangerous man, he can smell a scam from half a world away.

I believe in this time and day he can if President with his experience in economy actually make a big change in the world.   There is no way he would have become involved with Lybia without a money transfer from the Arab states to compensate us for the money we are now spending for a ---NON WAR.

This man is a business man and powers about the globe understand this .  When country's have disasters and come crying for help, he will first look at the Country's stash in banks that the leaders do not want to spend on their country's, let others pay for their misery.

Yupo we nee a cold calculating man to lead us to victory, one that places the country first above any party or give a rats ass about serving another 4 years in office.    Trump has the balls, the money and the ability to do so.

Now about those that remark on his hair style, good grief, should we not have Lincon as president for his facial appearance ?????




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Re: Trump 2012?
« Reply #88 on: April 01, 2011, 07:02:29 AM »
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Vesta111: "Trump is a very dangerous man, he can smell a scam from half a world away. "

Great line!  :cheersmate:
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Re: Trump 2012?
« Reply #89 on: April 02, 2011, 02:04:05 PM »
Trump's carrying a big bat in all his interviews, I hope he keeps swinging  :yahoo:

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Re: Trump 2012?
« Reply #90 on: April 02, 2011, 02:43:59 PM »
Trump's carrying a big bat in all his interviews, I hope he keeps swinging  :yahoo:
He's on Mike Savage's show a lot too. :-)
Here is another interview with Michael Savage the other night.
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtNahut6XfQ[/youtube]
(Starts around 17:35)
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Re: Trump 2012?
« Reply #91 on: April 03, 2011, 05:35:23 AM »
Savage will let him speak. O'Reilly was trying to hush him up about China and OPEC.
O'Reilly was really a weasel when Trump talked foreign about China and OPEC on his second show this week.

Look for more of that.  I expect Rupert Murdoch to try to hush him up on China. He's married to a young
Chinese woman and makes a lot of money there.
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Re: Trump 2012?
« Reply #92 on: April 03, 2011, 10:53:45 AM »
Savage will let him speak. O'Reilly was trying to hush him up about China and OPEC.
O'Reilly was really a weasel when Trump talked foreign about China and OPEC on his second show this week.
Look for more of that.  I expect Rupert Murdoch to try to hush him up on China. He's married to a young
Chinese woman and makes a lot of money there.
Yeah,....O'Reilly lost my respect a long time ago. (Actually, when he did the "interview" with the imposter.) He's gone soft on Obozo. We can't afford to do that. The communist community is KILLING this Country and what it stands for. :censored:

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Re: Trump 2012?
« Reply #93 on: April 03, 2011, 04:18:51 PM »
Here's my take - I'm sure I'll get some negatives, but I've thought about it.

There are some very intelligent, long term thinkers in the upper echelons of the Republican party.

I think it has already been decided a Democrat (Obama or another) will be elected in 2012.

I don't think the Republican party wants any part of Executive Branch responsibility for the Obamanite international repercussions/implosions/ violence coming around the bend from Iraq, Afghanistan, Egypt, Iran, Yemen, Syria, etc. - not to mention the massive debt.

I believe Republicans will concentrate on shoring up strong positions in the House and Senate, securing the opposition pulpit to what will be a very unstable term for the next chief executive.

They will be in position to both legislate in favor of fiscal responsibility and block any socialist initiatives coming from the White House.

Debt will doom the next President.

After that, energy will be the biggest headache , as it is currently inextricably bound to international events and presents a no-win situation.

If we wean off foreign oil, we must obtain more from domestic sources - a contentious issue, to say the least.

The technologies to replace fossil fuels are fraught with political land mines - nuclear is stalled and a mass program for alternate sources (solar, geothermal, wind, etc.) can not be initiated without greater taxes - and that won't fly.

The middle east will deteriorate rapidly - another no win for the next President - if we maintain forces in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, etc., we raise various domestic and international ire; if we recall them, the vacuum will be filled amid much violent recrimination by the indigenous peoples currently prevented from doing so, and the policy (and expenditure) will be deemed a failure.

The Republican controlled Congress can legislate heavily in the Tea Party's favor and be in perfect form to back a Republican candidate in 2016.

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Re: Trump 2012?
« Reply #94 on: April 03, 2011, 09:45:35 PM »
Here's my take - I'm sure I'll get some negatives, but I've thought about it.

There are some very intelligent, long term thinkers in the upper echelons of the Republican party.

I think it has already been decided a Democrat (Obama or another) will be elected in 2012.

I don't think the Republican party wants any part of Executive Branch responsibility for the Obamanite international repercussions/implosions/ violence coming around the bend from Iraq, Afghanistan, Egypt, Iran, Yemen, Syria, etc. - not to mention the massive debt.

I believe Republicans will concentrate on shoring up strong positions in the House and Senate, securing the opposition pulpit to what will be a very unstable term for the next chief executive.

They will be in position to both legislate in favor of fiscal responsibility and block any socialist initiatives coming from the White House.

Debt will doom the next President.

After that, energy will be the biggest headache , as it is currently inextricably bound to international events and presents a no-win situation.

If we wean off foreign oil, we must obtain more from domestic sources - a contentious issue, to say the least.

The technologies to replace fossil fuels are fraught with political land mines - nuclear is stalled and a mass program for alternate sources (solar, geothermal, wind, etc.) can not be initiated without greater taxes - and that won't fly.

The middle east will deteriorate rapidly - another no win for the next President - if we maintain forces in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, etc., we raise various domestic and international ire; if we recall them, the vacuum will be filled amid much violent recrimination by the indigenous peoples currently prevented from doing so, and the policy (and expenditure) will be deemed a failure.

The Republican controlled Congress can legislate heavily in the Tea Party's favor and be in perfect form to back a Republican candidate in 2016.

What kind of long-term thinking is it to kill your party?  Do you honestly believe that the GOP rank and file will stay with them if they decide to not seriously contend for 2012?

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Re: Trump 2012?
« Reply #95 on: April 04, 2011, 08:37:24 AM »
What kind of long-term thinking is it to kill your party?  Do you honestly believe that the GOP rank and file will stay with them if they decide to not seriously contend for 2012?

Intriguing idea from Cats...

Perhaps the "rest of the story" is there doesn't appear to be a viable Republican candidate yet --- and while there are several threads here in CC on just that theme and I don't mean to bring that around here, Cats has a very intriguing theme on several fronts.

There is about 30% of the voting bloc that will automatically vote for Zord Lero no matter what happens, anywhere. That's a helluva lot of inertia for the Repubs to overcome in putting a Republican in the WH in 2013.

Couple that with the rest of what Cats said, and you've got mega-gridlock, which serves to drag the Prez down every bit as much as it does the Congress -- that is, if the Repubs can get their heads out of their asses long enough to manipulate the MSM to the extent they must.

As Congress' approval rating is, what, about 11% now, what does the Repubs stand to lose by shutting the gov't down once or twice?

A lame duck Obama, essentially powerless, in his second term, might be a viable option in solidifying the Repub base in both houses of Congress AND begin grooming 2 or 3 exceptional candidates for 2016.

One of the things I'm cringing about, besides the fact Zord Lero is occupying real estate he has not earned, is SCOTUS. Kennedy has said he won't retire as long as LZ is in office, but maybe he'd change his tune if Zero were reelected.
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Re: Trump 2012?
« Reply #96 on: April 04, 2011, 11:21:12 AM »
I've lived outside the US several years. (Don't wanna specify where. It's somewhere on the BIG continent though).

So I have no unique insight into US politics. Every candidate I've ever ever liked has lost.

I can tell you this. The one candidate whom ALL of the expats are talking about is Trump.
I'm back in the US for a visit & I'm going to ask people here about it.

Trump would sure as Hell win the expat vote though, whatever party he ran in.
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BTW, I can't believe the Imam Barack is even going to run again.
Is America really so far gone that he has a shot at winning?

I know he ran once. But Dubya is gone now.
Obamao can't get away with that same glorious annointed, man child schtick twice.

He's an empty suit bag. He's not even an empty suit.
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Re: Trump 2012?
« Reply #97 on: April 04, 2011, 12:39:56 PM »
A good article in The America Thinker about Trump this week.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/04/trump_in_2012_maybe_not_such_a.html

I agree with the writer. If Trump runs - I think we will look back at his raising the birth certificate issue
on "The View" as a historic moment. No other candidate would have dared try it. Trump did it -- brilliantly.
The gals could not hound him off the stage. The news media can't destroy him.

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It would be a gross understatement to describe 'The View' as Obama-friendly.  Yet just this past week while making an appearance on it, Trump did what no other Republican, much less a Republican with presidential aspirations, would so much as think of doing: he unabashedly expressed his skepticism concerning Obama's birth certificate.  With a single utterance, the Donald in effect legitimized a group of people whose concern for this very same issue earned them the scornful name of "birthers" and rendered them a collective object of derision by left-wing pundits as well as such "respectable" right-leaning personalities as Bill O'Reilly and Michael Medved.  And what Trump did for this issue, he will be able to do with any number of issues that McCain and the GOP establishment sought (and continue to seek) to avoid like the plague.

This is the point: there is simply no way that anyone can succeed in depicting someone as internationally famous as Donald Trump as a fringe figure.
This, obviously, isn't to suggest that Trump would be anything at all like an invulnerable candidate; no one is without weaknesses.  But Trump's enemies (among the establishments of both parties) will simply not be able to dismiss him as an "extremist."

Finally, there are enough disenchanted Democrats, along with similarly disenchanted independents and Republicans, who would be more than willing to give Trump their ears.  When this Washington outsider -- indeed, outsider to politics! -- promises that upon his election to the presidency, "business as usual" in Washington will become a thing of the past, they will have good reason to believe it.

Trump in 2012?  This may not be such a bad thing.
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Re: Trump 2012?
« Reply #98 on: April 04, 2011, 12:46:01 PM »
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I think it has already been decided a Democrat (Obama or another) will be elected in 2012.

I don't think the Republican party wants any part of Executive Branch responsibility for the Obamanite international repercussions/implosions/ violence coming around the bend from Iraq, Afghanistan, Egypt, Iran, Yemen, Syria, etc. - not to mention the massive debt.

I believe Republicans will concentrate on shoring up strong positions in the House and Senate, securing the opposition pulpit to what will be a very unstable term for the next chief executive.

They will be in position to both legislate in favor of fiscal responsibility and block any socialist initiatives coming from the White House.

  

Debt will doom the next President.

After that, energy will be the biggest headache , as it is currently inextricably bound to international events and presents a no-win situation.

If we wean off foreign oil, we must obtain more from domestic sources - a contentious issue, to say the least.

The technologies to replace fossil fuels are fraught with political land mines - nuclear is stalled and a mass program for alternate sources (solar, geothermal, wind, etc.) can not be initiated without greater taxes - and that won't fly.

The middle east will deteriorate rapidly - another no win for the next President - if we maintain forces in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, etc., we raise various domestic and international ire; if we recall them, the vacuum will be filled amid much violent recrimination by the indigenous peoples currently prevented from doing so, and the policy (and expenditure) will be deemed a failure.

The Republican controlled Congress can legislate heavily in the Tea Party's favor and be in perfect form to back a Republican candidate in 2016.

With high unemployment and a weak economy, Obama stands little chance of getting re-elected. Independents have left the Democrats in droves. He will get the black and liberal vote. However, the enthusiasm from the younger generation will not be there cause many of them are unemployed. They got the change part but the hope part is in the toilet.

In two years, Obama has passed legislation many economic and social changes that have or will affect our lives in the present and in the future. If he did nothing for the remainder of his term, he would be heralded as the greatest liberal mover and shaker since LBJ. FYI, he can govern by executive order and bypass Congress on many issues. Regulations have thwarted the private sector from investing and job creation.

6 more of Obama will ensure our debt will double and every penny collected will go to the debt. The Feds will just print more money and tack it on to the debt. Waiting for Repubs to take over the W.H. will be a disaster even if the Repubs control both houses. Like I said, a President can rule by executive order and the Congress can not block him on a number of issues such as Env. and energy regulations and road blocks for job creations.

My take on Obama is that he is hell bent on bringing the US down to the same level of economic and political policies of EU nations like France. Six more years of his rule will accomplish just that in my opinion.  

  
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Re: Trump 2012?
« Reply #99 on: April 04, 2011, 06:58:00 PM »
I'm watching Trump & his family Oprah right now.

I've never watched that b*tch before.  :argh:

Everybody is kissy, kissy. Not one word about the birth certificate.
And Oprah is so nice to him.

That's pretty damned amazing. He questions Imam Barack's birth in America,
and Oprah celebrates his family on TV.

Wow!  :popcorn:
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