Oh... the Irony...

[Chris_]

2008:

Then there were those who didn't show up. There were 4.1 million fewer Republicans voting this year than in 2004. Some missing Republicans had turned independent or Democratic for this election. But most simply stayed home. Ironically for a campaign that featured probably the last Vietnam veteran to run for president, 2.7 million fewer veterans voted. There were also 4.1 million fewer voters who attend religious services more than once a week. Americans aren't suddenly going to church less; something was missing from the campaign to draw out the more religiously observant.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122653996148523063.html

Couldn't have been that McCain was a crappy candidate, that ran a lackluster campaign......running in an environment where the public was war-weary, and pissed about a huge give-away  that the current administration initiated, and McCain suspended his effort to go vote for.........nah......couldn't have been that......if he hadn't selected Palin as his running mate....Obama would have won  65% of the vote.....

Vietnam vet or not, most of the military recognized him for what he was......an old tired retread......most members of the military have seen the type, if they are still in, they are flying a desk in the Pentagon with stars on their collar......doesn't mean they are presidential timber.

Don't forget that John Kerry was in Vietnam........

doc

[rich_t]

2008:

Then there were those who didn't show up. There were 4.1 million fewer Republicans voting this year than in 2004. Some missing Republicans had turned independent or Democratic for this election. But most simply stayed home. Ironically for a campaign that featured probably the last Vietnam veteran to run for president, 2.7 million fewer veterans voted. There were also 4.1 million fewer voters who attend religious services more than once a week. Americans aren't suddenly going to church less; something was missing from the campaign to draw out the more religiously observant.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122653996148523063.html

I can see where that might irritate a 100 percenter republican like yourself.

You simply can not comprehend that folks might view things differently than you do.

But the politcal reality is, some do.

You don't have to like it or approve of it.  But live with it you must.

[Hawkgirl]

I wasted my vote on McCain.


BTW...everyone notice how McCain is faking a right hand turn lately?

[rich_t]

I wasted my vote on McCain.


BTW...everyone notice how McCain is faking a right hand turn lately?

It ain't the 1st time he's tried that.

Hopefully the folks that can vote for him will see it for what it is.

[Chris_]

I wasted my vote on McCain.


BTW...everyone notice how McCain is faking a right hand turn lately?

Running right like the hounds of hell are on his tail.......BUT, this just proves my point that all along.....he simply cannot be trusted.....

doc

[Hawkgirl]

Running right like the hounds of hell are on his tail.......BUT, this just proves my point that all along.....he simply cannot be trusted.....

doc

He needs to retire...I hope his rival takes his seat. 

[rich_t]

Running right like the hounds of hell are on his tail.......BUT, this just proves my point that all along.....he simply cannot be trusted.....

doc

I knew that even as I held my nose and voted for him in 2008.

Lessor of two evils thing.

But according to some...  I should continue to do so.

[Hawkgirl]

We haven't heard much from Meghan either...with her "republicans need to become more moderate" craptail.

[formerlurker]

I can see where that might irritate a 100 percenter republican like yourself.

You simply can not comprehend that folks might view things differently than you do.

But the politcal reality is, some do.

You don't have to like it or approve of it.  But live with it you must.

Staying home = Obamacare.   Live with it you must. ....  but of course that is someone else's fault, like "they" for instance.  

[Chris_]

I knew that even as I held my nose and voted for him in 2008.

Lessor of two evils thing.

But according to some...  I should continue to do so.

Not necessarily.....there are some things that we can change.  McCain ended up being the candidate because of flaws in the primary process, and fortunately, at least some of those are being addressed.....the other piece is that McCain was the darling of the media, until he received the nomination, and as I predicted, they turned on him like rabid dogs......it was easy to predict, but he was too dumb, and self-aggrandizing to compensate for it.......that can be fixed as well....

We simply start with a good candidate that the media hates to begin with......we know they are not conservative-friendly, so if we begin the election with that strategy, the media becomes eventually marginalized, and people see it as "sour grapes", and ignore them......

We will first need a great candidate, and I don't see one on the horizon yet......when he/she surfaces.....we need to bring "The Rove" out of retirement......probably the finest campaign strategist in the past century.....it CAN be done....

doc

[formerlurker]

Couldn't have been that McCain was a crappy candidate, that ran a lackluster campaign......running in an environment where the public was war-weary, and pissed about a huge give-away  that the current administration initiated, and McCain suspended his effort to go vote for.........nah......couldn't have been that......if he hadn't selected Palin as his running mate....Obama would have won  65% of the vote.....

Vietnam vet or not, most of the military recognized him for what he was......an old tired retread......most members of the military have seen the type, if they are still in, they are flying a desk in the Pentagon with stars on their collar......doesn't mean they are presidential timber.

Don't forget that John Kerry was in Vietnam........

doc

When the alternative is Barack Hussein Obama you don't stay home.    You vote.   It really is that simple.  

[Chris_]

When the alternative is Barack Hussein Obama you don't stay home.    You vote.   It really is that simple.  

You are certainly entitled to your opinion, regardless of how incorrect it may be.....

doc

[formerlurker]

You are certainly entitled to your opinion, regardless of how incorrect it may be.....

doc

ditto that.

[Hawkgirl]

we need to bring "The Rove" out of retirement......probably the finest campaign strategist in the past century.....it CAN be done....

doc

While I agree with that assessment, but it's not even necessary this time around...Everyone is mad at Obama, with the exception of the fierce left wing nutjobs....I think he will be easy to beat on 012 with this Healthcare fiasco.  Even democrats I work with (with a few lib exceptions) are not happy with him.

[Chris_]

While I agree with that assessment, but it's not even necessary this time around...Everyone is mad at Obama, with the exception of the fierce left wing nutjobs....I think he will be easy to beat on 012 with this Healthcare fiasco.  Even democrats I work with (with a few lib exceptions) are not happy with him.

True, but three more years is an eternity in politics.....much can change by that time......we just need to keep the emotion level up till November, first things first....

doc

[IassaFTots]

I knew that even as I held my nose and voted for him in 2008.

Lessor of two evils thing.

But according to some...  I should continue to do so.

I did too.

“Constantly choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil.”~ Jerry Garcia.

[dutch508]

I did too.

“Constantly choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil.”~ Jerry Garcia.

yeah, Jerry Garcia is a great example of choosing right over wrong.

[TheSarge]

We just had the biggest piece of socialist legislation pushed through by a supermajority that the "real conservatives" installed because they instead of placing an (R) in office, decided to stay home -- throwing their you-know-it's-all-about-me-and-MY-feelings trantrums on political boards instead of voting to maintain the balance. 

But but... "they" didn't put up a candidate I liked and "they" aren't listening to me  <------ why the freakin hell am I then only who sees the fundamental flaws in this reasoning.

Obamacare, brought to you by the "real conservatives."   You own it, wear it proud.

[TheSarge]

I think the term 100 percenter is bandied about far too frequently.

Some have reached the point where they will call anyone that disagrees with the recent behavior of the GOP leadership as a 100 percenter.

No a 100%'er as I have used the term going back to my early days on FR are the people just like you.  They run around crowing on and on about how there's no difference between the parties.  How there's not a candidate that does what THEY want so they're just gonna stay home and not vote.  They sneer at those of us that say that to beat back the Communists in the Dem party we need to work from within the GOP.

All the while having no other "plan" than to either a) not vote or b) saying we should just toss everyone out and start over.

Sound camiliar?

[TheSarge]

Here we go again. You get dialed up and it's off to the races.  

So defending my position aganing a lot of hot air from you is "off to the races"?  Interesting.

I'm not going to play your silly game -- invest (potentially) hours re-reading your "posts" on dozens of issues in an effort to find a term that approximates "worship" of the GOP.

Typical.  Make an accusation...then when asked to back it up...back off.  ANother group tends to do that too.

You don't worship the GOP? Fine. Have it your way. Makes no difference to me either way.

Then why even make the statement in the first place?  Are you just that programmed to knee jerl react to anyone who disagrees with your Birch Society view of the world that you jsut engage your mouth before you brain?

Think before you hit enter.  Might save you some embarassment.

Just don't sit there and tell me there are fundamental differences between the two parties - Dem and GOP - when Congress' own approval ratings hover somewhere near 11%.

The list of differences is long and distinctive.  If you think you can pull your head out of your ass for about 5 minutes at somepoint I'd be happy to show you.

I know what the ratings are.  I'm in Germany not bum f*ck Siberia.  It's completely dishonest intellectually of you to imply though that the both parties share the blame for that.

Here...I'll do for you like I do for teh DUmmies...remind me again who's been in charge of the House AND Senate for the last four years. Since right about the time those ratings started do head towards single digits.

Notice that the American people don't distinguish between the two parties -- they both suck pretty much equally. That's the point I'm making.

I'd say you need to come out of your cave and actually talk to people.  You're parroting the same damn things the talking heads on the MSM spew.

Use your brain.

Mathematically, I think it's a long stretch to even try to segregate the parties when the very PROOF of how the politicians are executing their individual party platforms sucks as bad as it does.

Plan. Yeah, right. There you go with your "plan" thing again. *Sigh*

Hey genius you're the one going around actuing like you have the superior way to run the show.  All I'm asking you to do is stop claiming you're f*cking the goat and actually grab the horns and do it.

What about your plan is so monstrously genius that the eggheads and think tanks in D.C. haven't already thought of it?

Never said I had one.  All I've suggested...much to your amusement is that we work within the party.  Support the candidates that support our values and vote out the ones that don't.  Support the party when they do something right..like stand up against Obamacare...and hold their feet to the fire when they support crap like amnesty for ilelgals.

Anything is better than spouting crap that would ensure Dem majority rule for the next couple generations.

Instead of criticizing the criticism of the two political parties and how they're fundamentally the same, i.e., serve themselves first, how are you so brilliant that you've blown the doors off the Mensa charts?

I'm sorry...my DAP to english decoder is broken.  WTF did you jsut say?

Are you that much in love with yourself that you can't see the forest for the trees?

Ouch?  Was that suppsoed to hurt?    You might actually have some credibility on that statement if you hadn't been looking in the mirror when you typed it.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Lessor of two evils...

I'm not leasing.

I rent to own.

[IassaFTots]

yeah, Jerry Garcia is a great example of choosing right over wrong.

I know, right?   

But, there still is some idealistic truth to the statement. 

[rich_t]

No a 100%'er as I have used the term going back to my early days on FR are the people just like you.  They run around crowing on and on about how there's no difference between the parties.  How there's not a candidate that does what THEY want so they're just gonna stay home and not vote.  They sneer at those of us that say that to beat back the Communists in the Dem party we need to work from within the GOP.

All the while having no other "plan" than to either a) not vote or b) saying we should just toss everyone out and start over.

Sound camiliar?

What's your plan genius?  I'm doing everything I CAN do.  I vote, I write, call and fax my elected representatives.  I donate when I can to the campaigns of individuals that I like.

Other than getting on this message board and attempting to denigrate those that don't agree with you, what the **** have you done?

Oh and by the way, if you would take your damn blinders off you would have seen over and over again what my plan is.  But nooooo....  you are too damn busy acting like a know it all jackass.

[Eupher]

Roger that......tensions are running high right now, and it is going to get worse by November......hell, I just got off the phone with the former House majority "whip's" executive assistant......I've never done this before.....the candidate's name is Roy Blunt, and he is running for the senate seat here in Missouri that is being vacated by Kit Bond.....

The call was prompted by a letter that I received asking for campaign donations, so I called his office in DC, and asked for his legislative assistant, and told the operator that I had some very specific questions that I wanted to ask him about his position on issues, before I write him a check.......

Now Roy Blunt has been a consistant conservative since forever, but I wanted to make sure that if elected to the senate, the "McCain" syndrome would not set in......plus, the outgoing senator, Kit Bond, has been becoming more and more "mushy" on his positions over the past few years, so I wanted answers to some VERY pointed questions, and wanted to hear his legislative plans if elected......

It was a refreshing 45 minutes on the phone, and this guy called a "spade a spade" on everything from "amnesty" to what actions he planned to persue on HCR......he was very clear, and that was refreshing......

As an aside, I asked hom about the Republican plans for the HCR, and his answer was simply......"we are going to win back the House.......and gut this thing from top to bottom.......we can't repeal it, but we can certainly bring implementation of it to a screeching halt.......the majority made a BIG mistake delaying the onset of benefits for four years.....by that time, we will drive a stake through its heart".............

That, at least was encouraging....

doc

I read your post with interest, doc, and as a fellow Missourian (not born here, but here's where I hang up my hat) I'm encouraged by this news.

With McCaskill being so Blue her eyes are clouded over, we absolutely have to balance her leftist lunacy out. Bond got wobbly because he's outta there (it's harder to stick to principles when you're a limp dick, er, lame duck), so it's good riddance.

[Eupher]

So defending my position aganing a lot of hot air from you is "off to the races"?  Interesting.

Typical.  Make an accusation...then when asked to back it up...back off.  ANother group tends to do that too.

Then why even make the statement in the first place?  Are you just that programmed to knee jerl react to anyone who disagrees with your Birch Society view of the world that you jsut engage your mouth before you brain?

Think before you hit enter.  Might save you some embarassment.

The list of differences is long and distinctive.  If you think you can pull your head out of your ass for about 5 minutes at somepoint I'd be happy to show you.

I know what the ratings are.  I'm in Germany not bum f*ck Siberia.  It's completely dishonest intellectually of you to imply though that the both parties share the blame for that.

Here...I'll do for you like I do for teh DUmmies...remind me again who's been in charge of the House AND Senate for the last four years. Since right about the time those ratings started do head towards single digits.

Hey genius you're the one going around actuing like you have the superior way to run the show.  All I'm asking you to do is stop claiming you're f*cking the goat and actually grab the horns and do it.

Never said I had one.  All I've suggested...much to your amusement is that we work within the party.  Support the candidates that support our values and vote out the ones that don't.  Support the party when they do something right..like stand up against Obamacare...and hold their feet to the fire when they support crap like amnesty for ilelgals.

Anything is better than spouting crap that would ensure Dem majority rule for the next couple generations.

I'm sorry...my DAP to english decoder is broken.  WTF did you jsut say?

Ouch?  Was that suppsoed to hurt?    You might actually have some credibility on that statement if you hadn't been looking in the mirror when you typed it.

TRG, you're not defending anything other than your right to run your mouth.

I have little time and patience to bandy back and forth with you on this or any other issue. I'd say "let's agree to disagree" and let it go at that, but it appears to me that you want to wallow in the mud.

I ain't wallowing with you -- not because you're right, but simply because I'm not interested.

After awhile, Tex, you get boring. Same ol' same ol' -- you do it with rich and with others, so if that makes you happy, hey, go for it. 

Isn't there an intelligent discussion somewhere in this thread?