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Re: Oh... the Irony...
« Reply #50 on: February 26, 2010, 04:50:19 AM »
and you offer no evidence to suggest otherwise...

You Republicans are so married to your emotions - it makes me laugh.

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Re: Oh... the Irony...
« Reply #51 on: February 26, 2010, 09:06:43 AM »
If you're going to ACT like a DUer with constant insults and personal attacks of those that disagree with you, don't be shocked if someone makes the comparison.

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Re: Oh... the hypocricy...
« Reply #52 on: February 26, 2010, 09:31:56 AM »
Not miffed at all. Just find it utterly hilarious how the Right bitches about the Left's spin... and then does the exact same thing.

Sit on sideline..  :lmao:

I can't argue with that at all.

And I tend to agree with bkg in that the Republican party has largely forgotten about conservatism. I happen to believe also that both major political parties have morphed and continue to morph in accordance with their respective leadership to the point that they're essentially not recognizeable any more.

You've got liberal Republicans in the northeast and conservative Democrats in the south; blue dogs here and RINOs there.

The "problem", as I see it, is much more fundamental. Professional politicians seek to serve themselves FIRST. They also have to play ball with the party that put them there - except for those like Jeffords and Specter who decided to defect. Jeffords largely did so for ideological reasons and Specter because he found that his next election was untenable.

As for me, I don't trust any of the bastards from either party. My own rep, Blaine Luetkemeyer, does hold up what his constituents expect, and it's a good thing because he's on a very, very short leash.

There's only one congressman that I had a semblance of respect for, and that was a Democrat by the name of Jim Matheson out of Utah. (There are only 3 reps, so it's not hard to find him.) Matheson is a Blue Dog and while he marches to the Dem drumbeat on the House version of their health care POS bill, HR 3962, he has an admirable work ethic and sense of duty to his constituents that you just don't see very much anymore.

Anyway, third parties fail. We've seen that over and over again. Blind loyalty to a party doesn't work very well either.

While there might be some ideological differences between Dems and Repubs, the practical nature of their collaboration has resulted in the two "sides" blurring and becoming nondistinct. That means, without exception, that the fringes of either side become more distinct and thus, more vocal. That's why we have the far left moonbat crowd (with Lord Zero, Pelosi, and Reid chief among them) and the Tea Party movement.

Tea Partiers don't want to associate themselves with the Republican party, but are adamant against creating a new, official party for the reasons I've outlined above. It would fracture the Republican party and thus create an open door for the far left fringe.

I dunno. I'm probably just a wee bit less passionate about politics than some of you guys, only because I see the nature of politicians to have become far more self-serving and less responsive to constituents. Why? Because special interests and the party call the shots. It's been that way for awhile now, the only difference is we see it today whereas we didn't see it so much 50 years ago.

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Re: Oh... the Irony...
« Reply #53 on: February 27, 2010, 11:39:40 AM »
A lot of us said that yes Obama winning was a referendum on the GOP. In fact when we lost in 2006 we also said that. Unfortunately the GOP didn't listen. However the democrats winning was not a sign that America went Liberal it was a sign that the GOP was too liberal.
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Re: Oh... the Irony...
« Reply #54 on: March 03, 2010, 11:03:51 AM »
Who the hell are you kidding.  This doesn't make you laugh.  You are a miserable bitter party of one who does nothing but complain and very little else.

As for evidence? WTF are you talking about.   National presidential election vs. U.S. senate seat?  are you kidding me right now?


The weather is all you have?

What about the massive shift in voting in '08 from R to D?

I forgot - that doesn't count because it doesn't align with the GOP love fest. My bad.  :rotf:

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Re: Oh... the Irony...
« Reply #55 on: March 03, 2010, 11:05:19 AM »
If you're going to ACT like a DUer with constant insults and personal attacks of those that disagree with you, don't be shocked if someone makes the comparison.

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Re: Oh... the Irony...
« Reply #56 on: March 03, 2010, 12:01:11 PM »
And, once again, the 100-percenters demonstrate they haven't the first fugging clue of which they speak.

It'd be nice if they realized it, but something tells me that's not happening anytime soon.
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Re: Oh... the Irony...
« Reply #57 on: March 03, 2010, 12:58:01 PM »
The weather is all you have?

Read the entire post, however the weather is the most telling.    We will forget for a moment that this is MA.  You know, the bluest of blue states?  

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What about the massive shift in voting in '08 from R to D?

If by shift in voting you mean those "real conservatives" who stayed home and in doing so voted D by default?   sure sure, what about them?

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I forgot - that doesn't count because it doesn't align with the GOP love fest. My bad.  :rotf:

GOP love fest?  what?   You are one of those really annoying contrarians who say black when everyone is discussing white just to get attention aren't you?

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Re: Oh... the Irony...
« Reply #58 on: March 03, 2010, 01:04:07 PM »
Jeeze, doesn't anyone have some Holy water to sprinkle on this thread?
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Re: Oh... the Irony...
« Reply #59 on: March 03, 2010, 01:06:37 PM »
Jeeze, doesn't anyone have some Holy water to sprinkle on this thread?

by holy water do you mean bullets and by sprinkle do you mean purging the ronbots?

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Re: Oh... the Irony...
« Reply #60 on: March 03, 2010, 02:09:44 PM »
by holy water do you mean bullets and by sprinkle do you mean purging the ronbots?

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That could work, too.

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Re: Oh... the Irony...
« Reply #61 on: March 03, 2010, 02:11:07 PM »
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Re: Oh... the Irony...
« Reply #62 on: March 03, 2010, 06:04:02 PM »
And once again some people here continue to demonstrate a lack of reading comprehension.

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Re: Oh... the Irony...
« Reply #63 on: March 03, 2010, 07:11:30 PM »
Careful, lest you offend the Republicans in the house.

I have to laugh - "Conservative" Cave is the name, and (many) Conservatives are hated here.

Here's a damn idea for ya.......................



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Re: Oh... the Irony...
« Reply #64 on: March 03, 2010, 07:14:20 PM »
Here's a damn idea for ya.......................



START YOUR OWN ****ING WEBSITE YOU PAULISTA POS

How very creative.

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Once again proving that DUers aren't the only ones that vehemently oppose views they don't agree with.

BTW...  I include myself here on this.

I too vehemently oppose those that disagree with me on occassion too.

I'm just not that creative with HTML or BB tags.

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Re: Oh... the Irony...
« Reply #65 on: March 04, 2010, 10:46:14 AM »
Careful, lest you offend the Republicans in the house.

I have to laugh - "Conservative" Cave is the name, and (many) Conservatives are hated here.



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Re: Oh... the Irony...
« Reply #66 on: March 04, 2010, 05:55:02 PM »
How very creative.

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Once again proving that DUers aren't the only ones that vehemently oppose views they don't agree with.

BTW...  I include myself here on this.

I too vehemently oppose those that disagree with me on occassion too.

I'm just not that creative with HTML or BB tags.

It's all good!

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No actually tired of listening to all the ****ing bitching over and over and over by one particular poster who believes he is the only conservative on this damn earth.

He's not.........that I can assure you.
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Re: Oh... the Irony...
« Reply #67 on: March 04, 2010, 06:38:23 PM »
No actually tired of listening to all the ******* bitching over and over and over by one particular poster who believes he is the only conservative on this damn earth.

He's not.........that I can assure you.

after the bullshit that happened on CU, ronbots and 'true conservatives' need to walk on eggshells least they become endangered species.
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« Reply #68 on: March 04, 2010, 08:06:21 PM »
after the bullshit that happened on CU, ronbots and 'true conservatives' need to walk on eggshells least they become endangered species.

Amen sir......and that sir was in a respectful manner
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Re: Oh... the Irony...
« Reply #69 on: March 05, 2010, 05:10:03 AM »
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And I tend to agree with bkg in that the Republican party has largely forgotten about conservatism. I happen to believe also that both major political parties have morphed and continue to morph in accordance with their respective leadership to the point that they're essentially not recognizeable any more.

That is such a politically and intellectually shallow statement I don't know where to begin.

Look the Republicans aren't perferct...no political party is and no solution the 100%'ers on here claim to have is either.

But dammit they are right on issues more than they are wrong and they are certainly mor of a mindset with the American people thatn ANY Dem I can think of right now.

When they are right we need to back them and point out when they are wrong.

Tossing the baby out with the bathwater just helps the political party we are struggling against.

They LOVE to see posts that tout and hear experts claim "there's no difference between the parties".

If there's no difference between the aprties then maybe you can point out the Republican Congressman or President that would have EVER supported having as an assistant AG the laywer that defended John Walker Lindh...or as the Assistant Solicitor General of the U.S. the laywer for Absul Hamden?

Which Republican Congressman...AG or President would have supported criminilazing terrorist interrogations?

You don't see Republicans coming up with the anti-business anti-capitalism programs designed to take us into socialism that the Democrats are.

Saying there's no difference between the parties might get you a lot of rah-rah's on some internet chat site...but it doesn't mean squat in reality...and it plays into what the Dems want.

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Re: Oh... the Irony...
« Reply #70 on: March 05, 2010, 05:12:02 AM »
How very creative.

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Once again proving that DUers aren't the only ones that vehemently oppose views they don't agree with.

BTW...  I include myself here on this.

I too vehemently oppose those that disagree with me on occassion too.

I'm just not that creative with HTML or BB tags.

It's all good!

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You know what...you're sure as hell long on slogans and bashing but short on ideas.

Reminds me of the Dems.

You're all for tossing out the Republican party on it's ear...but once you get past the sloganeering..you're got squat for ideas.

How about coming up with something that requires more thought and less knee jerk.
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Re: Oh... the Irony...
« Reply #71 on: March 05, 2010, 01:23:17 PM »
You know what...you're sure as hell long on slogans and bashing but short on ideas.

Reminds me of the Dems.

You're all for tossing out the Republican party on it's ear...but once you get past the sloganeering..you're got squat for ideas.

How about coming up with something that requires more thought and less knee jerk.

Do you even KNOW how to read with comprehension?

You remind me a the typical DUer...  Attack those with whom you disagree.

I have been calling for some time now for the Conservatives to take back the repub party.  I have't advocated a third party.  ALthough I do think that the Repub party leadership is going to force one into being if they don't get their act together and start acting in a more conservative fashion.

As far as ideas....  I've posted a few;  like voting for real conservatives, getting rid of as many RINOs as we can, and generally holding our elected idiots feet to the fire when they fail to act in accordance with our wishes.
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Re: Oh... the Irony...
« Reply #72 on: March 05, 2010, 01:53:14 PM »
Perhaps reading comprension is an area you might study as well......

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ALthough I do think that the Repub party leadership is going to force one into being if they don't get their act together and start acting in a more conservative fashion.

What is your plan to correct this?

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like voting for real conservatives

Each of us represents ONE vote......beyond that, what is your plan?

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getting rid of as many RINOs as we can

Each of us represents ONE vote......beyond that, what is your plan?

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generally holding our elected idiots feet to the fire when they fail to act in accordance with our wishes

Each of us represents ONE vote.......short of expressing our individual position on issues to them, and voting against them if they fail to heed that expression........beyond that, what EXACTLY is your plan?

Perhaps you can see where we are coming from when we accuse you and bkg of a "bumper sticker" mentality.......you are tossing out platitudes, and criticizms, without any specific plans to back them up.....

Not constructive, and largely not practical......politics is the art of the "possible", and you guys are not offering solutions, just flinging crap.....

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« Reply #73 on: March 05, 2010, 02:56:32 PM »
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ALthough I do think that the Repub party leadership is going to force one into being if they don't get their act together and start acting in a more conservative fashion.


What is your plan to correct this?

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like voting for real conservatives

Each of us represents ONE vote......beyond that, what is your plan?


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getting rid of as many RINOs as we can

Each of us represents ONE vote......beyond that, what is your plan?


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generally holding our elected idiots feet to the fire when they fail to act in accordance with our wishes

Each of us represents ONE vote.......short of expressing our individual position on issues to them, and voting against them if they fail to heed that expression........beyond that, what EXACTLY is your plan?

Perhaps you can see where we are coming from when we accuse you and bkg of a "bumper sticker" mentality.......you are tossing out platitudes, and criticizms, without any specific plans to back them up.....

Not constructive, and largely not practical......politics is the art of the "possible", and you guys are not offering solutions, just flinging crap.....

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So its NOT constructive or practical to vote for the most conservative candidate we can and expecting them to actually act like a conservative once they are elected?

My plan?  To do exactly that, and to encourage others to do the same.

At the risk of repeating myself.

Do I expect to agree 100% of the time with 100% of the issues that a particular politician that I may have voted for?

No, I do not.  I'd probably settle for 80%.  That will not stop me from letting them and their staff know about my disagreement though.

If it gets to the point where their views and actions drift too far from what I am unwilling to support, I will let them know it and vote accordingly when they run for re-election.

What options are there other than that?  Just sit back and let them do whatever the hell they want once elected while maintaining stoic silence?

Not me.

There is a rapidly growing number of conservative folks that are pretty fed up with the direction of the GOP in recent years.  If the GOP doesn't start paying attention to the desires of conservatives, the people that reach the point where they have had enough will simply stop voting GOP and either create a third party or just stop voting and stay home.

BTW.

I appreciate the civility in your response and I will try to be less caustic with others here.  You set a pretty good example for me to attempt to follow.

I may not always agree, but I will try to less pissy about it in my responses.


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Re: Oh... the Irony...
« Reply #74 on: March 05, 2010, 03:27:07 PM »
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So its NOT constructive or practical to vote for the most conservative candidate we can and expecting them to actually act like a conservative once they are elected?

My plan?  To do exactly that, and to encourage others to do the same.

No....I suggested that coming on this (conservative) site and carrying on and on about our "lack" of conservative values/positions on specific candidates is not constructive.......as has been told to both of you on several occasions, we are simply not going to get a 100%, or 80% ideological agreement with a republican elected from MA, CA, OR, WA, IL, and a few others.......if it is "possible" to get a republican elected in one of these states that we agree with 51% of the time......we are ahead of the game......that is all.  We can focus our efforts on dethroning folks like McCain, in AZ, where it is politically "possible" to elect a truly conservative candidate, but in the states sited above........short of a disastrous collapse in voter confidence toward Democrats (which IS remotely conceivable) in the liberal states cited above, it isn't possible......

If you don't live in one of these states, you can have no impact upon who gets elected there.......simple fact of life, and there is no sense "beating a dead horse" about it......

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There is a rapidly growing number of conservative folks that are pretty fed up with the direction of the GOP in recent years.  If the GOP doesn't start paying attention to the desires of conservatives, the people that reach the point where they have had enough will simply stop voting GOP and either create a third party or just stop voting and stay home.

We are saying that we saw this scenario play out in the 1991 election of Bill Clinton.......see how that worked out for us?   At this point there is no viable political framework in the US for a "third party".....ain't gonna happen, and if you disgruntled "conservatives" try it, all that will result is that a Democrat will be elected.......no other option........"those that ignore the lessons of history, are doomed to repeat them........"

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I appreciate the civility in your response and I will try to be less caustic with others here.  You set a pretty good example for me to attempt to follow.

I may not always agree, but I will try to less pissy about it in my responses.

Thank you.....

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