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Herman Cain makes splash at first 2012 GOP debate (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20060284-503544.html)
To get an idea of the strangeness of the first debate of the 2012 presidential cycle - the unofficial kickoff to the 2012 GOP race - consider this: Based on the Fox News focus group conducted immediately following the event, Herman Cain is about to run away with the GOP nomination.
If you're wondering who that is, you're not alone: The former Godfather's Pizza CEO, who barely registers in national polls, has never held elected office. And he is seen as having virtually no chance to win the GOP nomination.
But the vast majority of the people sitting in with Republican pollster Frank Luntz said Cain had won the debate with his directness and straightforward delivery. >>>
But the debate was seen as such a non-event inside the beltway that House Speaker John Boehner spent his evening not watching it, opting instead to have a few drinks at a Washington steakhouse. "I'll read about it tomorrow," he told Hotsheet.
The absence of the biggest-name potential candidates - Mitt Romney, Mike Huckabee, Sarah Palin, Newt Gingrich, even Donald Trump - meant the event it generated little attention despite its status as the first debate of the cycle. Among the five men onstage - Cain, former Minnesota Gov. Tim Pawlenty, Texas Rep. Ron Paul, former New Mexico Gov. Gary Johnson and former Pennsylvania Sen. Rick Santorum - only Pawlenty is seen by Washington insiders as having a legitimate shot at the GOP nomination.
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At last a real conservative steps up. Not my first choice, but better than the others proffered thus far.
They (the GOP, the media and the Dems) will undercut any real conservative who steps forward so I expect little play except for the mud slinging.
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I'm watching Gretchen Carlson interview Cain right now. Cain has a "command presence," IMO. When he says something, he exudes confidence and commands respect. Let's see if anyone gives Cain the respect he deserves.
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I'm watching Gretchen Carlson interview Cain right now. Cain has a "command presence," IMO. When he says something, he exudes confidence and commands respect. Let's see if anyone gives Cain the respect he deserves.
I agree
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Cain told informed voters exactly what they wanted to hear. The American Idol voters who go on sound bites? Not so much. When it came to foreign policy, all these guys were saying what they would do. ...which is BS poltical rhetoric as they don't know the circumstances and aren't privy to certain information. Cain said he'd meet with his advisers to develop a plan. THAT is the difference between a statesman and a politician.
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Let's see if anyone gives Cain the respect he deserves.
Respect for a true conservative? When has this ever occurred before? I guess Im missing something here. No... if he is a true conservative as I think that he is (Ive followed Cain for a couple of years now) ... that is the last thing he will get. He is a runaway slave to the Dems and good old fashioned, grass roots, common sense conservative (In other words an 'embarrassment') to the establishment GOP. Both parties will conspire together behind closed doors against any and all real conservatives.
But thats ok. Its expected. Now if he did get proper and due respect the way that the RINOS get, then I'd be suspicious. No, the only way he is going to get 'traction' or 'respect' is when we the voters give it to him. As we shall.
Cain said he'd meet with his advisers to develop a plan. THAT is the difference between a statesman and a politician.
This is also what is known as executive experience. Something Palin had in spades which all of the other candidates combined didnt have. But again, this is a conservative 'value'. And we all know ( or we should all know) what the media and the elites in both parties think of conservatives.
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I was dissapointed I missed it, but I ended up seeing the focus group. Very interesting indeed.
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[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mr0_Xd4nX4M[/youtube]
For anybody who missed the debate
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I've noticed that the debate segments on YouTube are dispersed all over the damn place rather than inserted more or less together in a handy manner. You actually have to do a manual search for each and every segment. So I'm goin' to organize all the links together for you right here. The first one is posted above. So here are the others.
First GOP Presidential Debate Part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CO5FL0bkyA)
First GOP Presidential Debate Part 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njZL05nf_IA)
First GOP Presidential Debate Part 4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cu97zDEcqYY)
My guess is that YouTube video is under liberal management.
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Don't want any career politician. I think Cain would be a great one.
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Neil Boortz was saying on the radio this afternoon that he took a look at google this morning. The number one hit overnight concerned the Kentucky Derby. The number two? Herman Cain.
I can definitely get behind him.
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Neil Boortz was saying on the radio this afternoon that he took a look at google this morning. The number one hit overnight concerned the Kentucky Derby. The number two? Herman Cain.
I can definitely get behind him.
http://www.google.com/trends
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Herman Cain
I will announce my decision regarding a potential White House bid on Saturday, May 21, 2011 in my hometown of Atlanta, Georgia. The event will be open to the public and we'll share more details this week! Stay tuned. Thanks for your continued prayers and support!
Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/THEHermanCain?sk=wall&filter=2)
I still don't understand why all these guys make announcements about when they will make announcements. I hope he does run.
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I've noticed that the debate segments on YouTube are dispersed all over the damn place rather than inserted more or less together in a handy manner. You actually have to do a manual search for each and every segment. So I'm goin' to organize all the links together for you right here. The first one is posted above. So here are the others.
First GOP Presidential Debate Part 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CO5FL0bkyA)
First GOP Presidential Debate Part 3 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njZL05nf_IA)
First GOP Presidential Debate Part 4 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cu97zDEcqYY)
My guess is that YouTube video is under liberal management.
The whole debate in one segment:
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_Jjp_QvCLc[/youtube]
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Cain is definitely a solid prospect. Nothing fake about the guy.
I would not at all mind seeing a Cain/Rubio ticket.
That would kick the race baiters right in the nuts but that's not why I think a Cain/Rubio team would be good. A Cain/Rubio ticket would be a good one standing on its own merits. The fact that it would slap down the racists on the left is just icing on the cake.
As we all know, elections are decided by the middle America swing vote. I think that mushy middle would firm up behind Cain/Rubio.
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Cain is definitely a solid prospect. Nothing fake about the guy.
I would not at all mind seeing a Cain/Rubio ticket.
That would kick the race baiters right in the nuts but that's not why I think a Cain/Rubio team would be good. A Cain/Rubio ticket would be a good one standing on its own merits. The fact that it would slap down the racists on the left is just icing on the cake.
As we all know, elections are decided by the middle America swing vote. I think that mushy middle would firm up behind Cain/Rubio.
I would vote for Cain in a heartbeat. What bothers me is that conservatives keep grasping at straws. Remember after Scott Brown was elected senator from MA, many Republicans stated that he should run. The guy is a RINO at best. We have a long way to go before the primaries. Plus, I don't think a conservative who gets the nomination will make a dent in the Democratic black voting block even if Cain is our nominee. Independents decide elections and we better have someone who will take it to Obama with a full blown assault on his liberal policies if we expect to win.
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I would vote for Cain in a heartbeat. What bothers me is that conservatives keep grasping at straws. Remember after Scott Brown was elected senator from MA, many Republicans stated that he should run. The guy is a RINO at best. We have a long way to go before the primaries. Plus, I don't think a conservative who gets the nomination will make a dent in the Democratic black voting block even if Cain is our nominee. Independents decide elections and we better have someone who will take it to Obama with a full blown assault on his liberal policies if we expect to win.
Which is what could make Cain such a powerful candidate. Here we have a man who shares the belief about American exceptionalism and many principles with Reagan, supports comprehensive tax reform, knows how business runs, is a superb speaker, AND is virtually immune from having the race card played against him, having suffered the indignities that led to the civil rights movement.
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Which is what could make Cain such a powerful candidate. Here we have a man who shares the belief about American exceptionalism and many principles with Reagan, supports comprehensive tax reform, knows how business runs, is a superb speaker, AND is virtually immune from having the race card played against him, having suffered the indignities that led to the civil rights movement.
Exactly. If Cain runs, I'm in. As I said upthread, Cain has command presence. He exudes confidence, IMO. He's BTDT--but he doesn't need to remind people about it--it appears that he's fixed on solving the next problem.
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Facebook (http://www.facebook.com/THEHermanCain?sk=wall&filter=2)
I still don't understand why all these guys make announcements about when they will make announcements. I hope he does run.
Dumbass McCain-Feingold campaign finance laws. There's a lot of stuff he can't do if he's running. I don't think he can have his own radio show, even though Obama has a 24/7 media conglomerate. Also to see if a candidacy is viable. He'd look like a dumbass or Alan Keyes if he just announced and no one else supported him.
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Dumbass McCain-Feingold campaign finance laws. There's a lot of stuff he can't do if he's running. I don't think he can have his own radio show, even though Obama has a 24/7 media conglomerate. Also to see if a candidacy is viable. He'd look like a dumbass or Alan Keyes if he just announced and no one else supported him.
Cain stopped doing his show back in early February.
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Cain stopped doing his show back in early February.
Then the latter is probably more applicable.
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Which is what could make Cain such a powerful candidate. Here we have a man who shares the belief about American exceptionalism and many principles with Reagan, supports comprehensive tax reform, knows how business runs, is a superb speaker, AND is virtually immune from having the race card played against him, having suffered the indignities that led to the civil rights movement.
That has not stopped the DNC and the media from smearing Condi and Judge Thomas.
I would enthusiastically vote for him. However, I am not ready to fall in love with any of them. Look what happened to Fred Thompson who was my favorite last go round.
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I'm glad Cain is starting to get more attention. I like him.
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That has not stopped the DNC and the media from smearing Condi and Judge Thomas.
Neither of them are an alum of THE southern "Black" Harvard, Morehouse.
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Neither of them are an alum of THE southern "Black" Harvard, Morehouse.
The media and liberals will smear him regardless of where he went to school.
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[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mr0_Xd4nX4M[/youtube]
For anybody who missed the debate
Thank you so very much for posting that.
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Citizen Cain (http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/05/citizen_cain.html)
Now is the time to test whether the Tea Party means business because, judging by last week's Republican presidential debate, the Tea Party candidate for president in 2012 is self-evident.
Herman Cain is the ideal Tea Party candidate. Herman Cain is the ideal citizen candidate among the eminently forgettable posse of professional politicians. Cain has and utilizes, as he did last week in Greenville, South Carolina, the one asset that will unite constitutional conservatives: he is a plain-speaking Gadsden flag.
Generations of career politicians who, in the words of Daniel Webster, "mean to govern well, but mean to govern," have bankrupted our country in a slow side toward socialism and the withering of our liberty.
Patriots are clamoring for an individual who, as president, can calmly and confidently reorient this country to the Constitution and fiscal sanity. >>>
Cain has proven himself again and again as an executive (which, lest anyone forget, is the office he is seeking), willing to begin at ground level and rising to save a company from bankruptcy. He is a scholar, a mathematician (bachelors from Morehouse), and computer scientist (masters from Purdue) who speaks logically and plainly. He recognizes that this is a world of absolutes, right and wrong, and operates so. He does not fail, nor does he ever need to preface any statement with "Let me be clear."
A Cain candidacy would give conservative voters a break during October 2012 in the form of a candidate before whom we do not cringe in anticipatory dread during the presidential debates. Cain would crush the president in a debate, and would do so as calmly and precisely as he demolished Bill Clinton in 1994. Cain is Obama's worst nightmare: A strong black man from the South, a self-made black man, unafraid of anyone, unafraid to say directly to Obama's face what needs to be said directly, as often as it needs to be said. Cain has had a true American experience. He knows from real racism and segregation, not some intellectualized rage formulated in the soft environs of the Ivy League. Cain did not beg, borrow, and steal for a piece of the pie -- he quite literally made his own pies. His example is the American example.
"Plain talk is like spring medicine -- unpalatable, but necessary."
- John Boyle O'Reilly
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Right - who wants a proven business leader when you can have a Marxist ACLU type community organizer? /s
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GREAT FIND, Janice! :cheersmate:
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[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRimwvPLdo4[/youtube]
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I could gladly back Mr. Cain in the primaries.
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Herman Cain’s 5 step plan to create US jobs (http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/143640/20110510/herman-cain-5-step-plan-jobs.htm)
Herman Cain is the new exciting Republican candidate in the 2012 presidential race. He has won several straw polls and the first debate among 2012 Republican candidates.
Cain, 65 years old, came from a successful business career, during which he returned restaurant chain Godfather’s Pizza to profitability and made the Philadelphia area’s Burger King branches the most profitable in the company.
Now, he thinks he can turn around the US economy and create jobs with his 5-step plan (listed below).
1) Lower the corporate tax rate to 25 percent from 35 percent. >>>
2) Take the capital gains tax rate to zero. >>>
3) Take the tax rate on the repatriation of foreign profits for US companies to zero. >>>
4) Cut the entire 6.2 percent payrolls tax for workers and employers for 1 year. >>>
5) Make the tax rates permanent or indefinite. >>>
Below are more positions articulated by Cain.
- Repeal ‘Obamacare’ and replace it with a more patient-centered legislation.
- Cut government spending across the board, then drill down and eliminate wasteful programs and agencies.
- Change Social Security to something similar to the Chilean model of personal retirement account option.
Cain said the American people need to take back the American dream, which has been stifled by “too much legislation, too much regulation, and too much taxation.â€
He said he will help Americans take it back by creating jobs through what he calls the “direct stimulus†of tax cuts rather than the “indirect stimulus†of government spending.
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Herman Cain and John Bolten would make a helluva ticket. (http://i55.tinypic.com/20f81n5.gif)
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Cain would be great at the top of the ticket. Bolton and Bachman would be excellent choices for VP. Cain and Bolton would beat up on the 2 idiots in the WH in the presidential debate. I would also like to see Gov Perry of TX jump into the race. The more the merrier. Perry would absolutely blister Obama's ass on the primary trail and in the Repub debates.
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I wish Cain would have at least 'mentioned' drilling and refining our own oil as part of his 'stimulus' plan.
Oh well.
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For many Georgia Republicans, Newt Gingrich's no Herman Cain
It had all the trappings of a homecoming. Newt Gingrich, the former House speaker who helped Republicans rise to power in this once-solid Democratic state, returned Friday deliver his first speech as a presidential candidate before thousands of state GOP delegates.
But ahead of Gingrich’s scheduled address Friday evening, party activists were buzzing about another favorite son — Herman Cain.
“He doesn’t talk political,†said Jeanette Bean, a Gwinnett County delegate who was passing out Draft Cain stickers. “He talks straight. He doesn’t mince his words and says it how it is. It’s so refreshing,â€
Plenty of other attendees seemed to agree. Kicking off the two-day convention, Republican Sen. Saxby Chambliss gave a shout out to both Georgia natives. “We’ve got Newt Gingrich,†he said, which earned a whistle of approval from one member of the audience.
When Chambliss added, “We’ve got Herman Cain,†loud whoops, cheers and applause were heard.
Politico (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/54957.html#ixzz1MLZL1K5e)
Go away, Newt.
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Yeah. He can take Saxby Chambliss with him too.
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I wish Cain would have at least 'mentioned' drilling and refining our own oil as part of his 'stimulus' plan.
Oh well.
I think an explosive energy policy is the key to millions of good paying jobs. It is one of the few industries we have not shipped overseas. Plus, using our own oil, natural gas, coal, nuke power reduces our dependence and the dollars we send overseas. These type of jobs could give the economy and the treasury a big kick in the ass.
I am still hoping that Palin will get into the race because she knows more about energy than all the clowns in DC combined.
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Tea Party congressman underwhelmed by current Republican presidential field (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/162433-rep-allen-west-on-gop-field-no-one-is-really-exciting-anyone-out-there)
The current crop of Republican presidential candidates is "lukewarm" and unexciting, said Rep. Allen West (R-Fla.), a Tea Party darling.
West, a freshman Republican lawmaker from Florida, badmouthed the 2012 field of GOP hopefuls while noting that he himself would not be seeking the presidency.
"I've got to tell you that no one is really exciting anyone out there right now," West told the conservative website Newsmax in an interview posted late Thursday. "I think by September, October, maybe we'll see a front-runner. But right now, you know, kind of lukewarm."
West said he "couldn't say right now" if he had any favorites, and that his only focus was on seeking reelection to his House seat next fall.
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I can't say that I really disagree with him all that much. BUT ... I would not even BEGIN to discount Cain like that, who I think will re-energize the entire field as time passes.
Cain is ABLE! (New campaign slogan? Hehe ... I should make a little sig for the board here.)
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Tea Party congressman underwhelmed by current Republican presidential field (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/162433-rep-allen-west-on-gop-field-no-one-is-really-exciting-anyone-out-there)
The current crop of Republican presidential candidates is "lukewarm" and unexciting, said Rep. Allen West (R-Fla.), a Tea Party darling.
West, a freshman Republican lawmaker from Florida, badmouthed the 2012 field of GOP hopefuls while noting that he himself would not be seeking the presidency.
"I've got to tell you that no one is really exciting anyone out there right now," West told the conservative website Newsmax in an interview posted late Thursday. "I think by September, October, maybe we'll see a front-runner. But right now, you know, kind of lukewarm."
West said he "couldn't say right now" if he had any favorites, and that his only focus was on seeking reelection to his House seat next fall.
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I can't say that I really disagree with him all that much. BUT ... I would not even BEGIN to discount Cain like that, who I think will re-energize the entire field as time passes.
Cain is ABLE! (New campaign slogan? Hehe ... I should make a little sig for the board here.)
Just a guess, but if Allen West came out this early for Herman Cain, the left would say he's being racist and picking the black candidate. :-)
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Check out Mr. Cain in high school and college. This link is from FR: LINK (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2722913/posts)
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Check out Mr. Cain in high school and college. This link is from FR: LINK (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2722913/posts)
Cain debating the O would be a hoot. Cain...I am ready to show my college transcript..how about you. We will see who made the best grades and we will let them speak for themselves. Since liberal progressive think they have a claim on intelligence, let's make the comparison here and now. Obama response...uh, oh, duh, you know.
Um, you ain't supposed to put a brother down like that.
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C-SPAN is carrying Cain's announcement live. Got my TV on. :popcorn:
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Cain is ON!
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15k people showed up in Atlanta for this.
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"America needs a leader, not a reader!"
I'm in! :yahoo:
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Link?
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It's on C-SPAN.
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http://www.c-span.org/Live-Video/C-SPAN/
Got it. :)
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If you didn't watch Herman Cain's announcement, oh boy did you miss an inspiring speech! :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo:
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YES! That was an awesome speech.
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YES! That was an awesome speech.
My wife is definitely on board for Cain.
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I love reading the comments on Cain's Facebook page. Between the Ron Paul trolls and the Obama 100-percenters, they're so over-the-top ridiculous that you can't help but laugh at them.
Oh, and I remembered to make a donation. Don't you forget either.
http://www.hermancain.com/
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You just gotta KNOW Obumbles is scared shitless.
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You just gotta KNOW Obumbles is scared shitless.
I hope not. I want him to make the mistake of underestimating Herman. Matter of fact, I want'em all to underestimate him. He would be the first "non-establishment" Republican candidate in a long while.
Hell, come to think of it, I think Reagan was the last one.
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I hope not. I want him to make the mistake of underestimating Herman. Matter of fact, I want'em all to underestimate him. He would be the first "non-establishment" Republican candidate in a long while.
Hell, come to think of it, I think Reagan was the last one.
Nah, you could easily (and correctly) claim Reagan was also an "establishment" candidate with his serving two terms as CA governor.
You might have to go back to Eisenhower.
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Nah, you could easily (and correctly) claim Reagan was also an "establishment" candidate with his serving two terms as CA governor.
You might have to go back to Eisenhower.
But wasn't Reagan one of the last people the people in the beltway wanted in the White House? Didn't they try to cast him aside as a "cowboy movie star", and nothing more?
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But wasn't Reagan one of the last people the people in the beltway wanted in the White House? Didn't they try to cast him aside as a "cowboy movie star", and nothing more?
Since when do I care what the booger-eating morons inside the Beltway want?
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Since when do I care what the booger-eating morons inside the Beltway want?
That's my point. This election has the chance of being what the people want, not what the establishment gives us, and by that, I'm saying that, normally, they're very influential. IMO conservatives are more involved now than any time I can remember, since I started voting that is.