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The Bar => The Lounge => Topic started by: formerlurker on February 22, 2011, 03:58:42 PM
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Just curious to see what the melting pot here is comprised of. I understand that we are mostly all Americans -- however, where did your ancestors come from?
My mom is 100% french Canadian (God help me). My dad was 50% Irish and 50% English.
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I'm Welsh on both sides of the family. My grandmother came over as a WWII war bride. The rest were generations ago.
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I'm a hodge podge. One great grandmother was Welsh, one great grandfather was Scottish, and one great grandfather was German. The rest were mostly English, with some Irish, and one French Duke that fled the French Revolution. I've had ancestors on American soil since before the American Revolution so a little bits of various nationalities seem to have been mixed in along the way.
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My real life last name doesn't reflect my ancestry, but I'm about 75% German or more accurately, Northern European. There's a little French, Scot, English & Coon Ass in there, too.
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Coon Ass
First time I heard that, I was like....
:racist:
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My peeps have all been here long enough to fight the Revolution and both sides of the War Between the States.
Primarily Scottish, with a scootch of English, Welsh, and Irish. My Mom's Dad and my Dad's Dad's families were both traced back to the same castle in Scotland, where apparently, both clans fought over it for years. I find that sad, poetic and hilarious at the same time.
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My great-great-grandparents were Scots and poms. Everything past there is Australian.
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Irish, Croatian, Norwegian and Swedish are the main four. There are a few other European countries mixed in.
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My dad's parents came over from Germany between 1900-05 but met and married here, in Germantown, Philadelphia (when there were still Germans there . . . :whatever:)
On my mom's side: my grandmother's family were Scottish and my granddad's family were Quakers from England. Both of those original ancestors emigrated here sometime in the first half of the 1800s.
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Creek Indian, Irish, Scottish and Swedish.
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English, Scots, Dutch, Alsatian and Norman French, and supposedly some (unproven) Irish.
Closest we get to AmerIndian is the boy who was kidnapped by some at the age of 13, held until 15, freed by the Continental Army, promptly joined and served as a Private, and later served as a Captain during the War of 1912.
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German , Irish , Scot and nonfat dried milk.. Most of my folks came over in the 1850s and settled in Minn.
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Can only trace the family name back to 1860's to one Moses Gardner. No idea where he came from. Moms side, to Concord, pre-revolution, an indentured servant.
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Irish, Italian and Scottish.
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I have no freaking idea. None.
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Mom's side=Poland
Dad's side a mix of somewhere from GB and Sweden
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Dad's side: German (mom) and Greek (dad)
Mom's side: Scots-Irish (dad) and Spanish, French and American-Indian (Mom)
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Swedish and English, but for some reason I tan easily in the summer.
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Mom's side - lots of Cherokee and some Irish and English mixed in.
Dad's side - mainly German
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We're Celts and we don't tan, we sizzle. Irish and Scottish.
Dad is an accomplished genealogist and has traced a couple of lines back through Germany and one into Hungary as far back as the 900's. Most people can't find records going any further back than the mid 1800's because before that the only people records were kept on were nobility and clergy. We know who a lot of our ancestors were going back to the usual mid 1800's and have daguerreotypes, tintypes or photographs of most of them. Am also related somehow, would have to ask dad, to both main characters depicted in the movie Brave heart, William Wallace and Edward I.
Amanda Blake, who played "Miss Kitty" in Gunsmoke was my mom's cousin. Her Great Uncle, Johnny Hayes won the gold medal in the men's marathon at the London Olympics in 1908. I myself am quite famous down at my local watering hole.
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Scots......Highlanders on both sides.........fourth generation off the boat.
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It seems like we have a lot of overlap here with nationalities. Wonder if any of you are my long-lost cousins :cheersmate:
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Mom's side is Italian.
Dad's mom is french/dutch and my grandfather is American Indian and something else.
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Swedish and English, but for some reason I tan easily in the summer.
Bastard!!!! ;)
My mother, brothers and sisters all tan walking across the street. I (like my dad) burn, then burn, then burn some more. I have renounced my Canadian heritage because of this.
Yes I am bitter.
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Dad's side: German (mom) and Greek (dad)
Mom's side: Scots-Irish (dad) and Spanish, French and American-Indian (Mom)
Wow, that is an amazing mix!
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My Dad's background was half Irish and half Alsatian, from the family name one of the more German-speaking parts of it I'd say, all coming over in the 19th Century; the Irish early and the Alsatians after the French lost the War of 1870.
My Mom's ancestry was Welsh and lowland German with a lot of Native American plowed into the mix, both sides of her family had been in the Virginia/West VirginiaPennsylvania hill country since some time before the Revolution, and had been first settlers in parts of it.
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Father's side is English, Scots, and Welsh.
They came here during the 1630s; all Protestants.
Mother's side is Slovakian, Jewish, Hungarian, and Brandenburgian, probably some long-ago gypsy.
They came here during the 1870s-1880s; all Roman Catholics.
Physically, I've been told I resemble the Welsh ancestors, for whatever that's worth.
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Bastard!!!! ;)
My mother, brothers and sisters all tan walking across the street. I (like my dad) burn, then burn, then burn some more. I have renounced my Canadian heritage because of this.
Yes I am bitter.
I still have a faint tan line on my wrist from wearing a watch. The only time I wear a watch is at work where I'm only outside at lunch and break time. :)
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I've been picking up where my grandfather left off in the family ancestry and have found that when factoring in both maternal and paternal sides, I am 90% English with 5% German and 5% Irish thrown in. I can trace both sides to Colonial America (actually beyond to Europe but anyway...) and even found some inter-marrying that took place generations ago so my parents are distant cousins!! Some of their ancestors even came over on the same boat. So weird!
I was shocked that both sides were SO English as I thought I was more of a mutt all of this time. LOL you're probably wondering why I wasn't as shocked over the "parents being distant cousins" thing huh? Well given that they traveled in what appears to be the same geographical and social circle, there weren't a lot of options!!! And I also found several cases of 2nd or 3rd cousins marrying. So twisted.
The most interesting part is that both sides have a long and consistent history of sacrifice and service to America starting with the Revolutionary War. Suck it DUmmies!!!
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Very interesting thread! :popcorn:
For what it's worth, saw this floating around somewhere in cyberspace a while back-
Barack Obama's genealogical make-up
Caucasian- 50%
Arabic- 44%
African- 6%
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I still have a faint tan line on my wrist from wearing a watch. The only time I wear a watch is at work where I'm only outside at lunch and break time. :)
Yeah, you are trying to hurt me now. :(
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Bastard!!!! ;)
My mother, brothers and sisters all tan walking across the street. I (like my dad) burn, then burn, then burn some more. I have renounced my Canadian heritage because of this.
Yes I am bitter.
My dad and aunt are both redheads, and they tan easily. I take after my mom with super fair skin. I can tan, but it is more likely that I burn. My shoulders and knees hardly tan at all, but they freckle. I rarely get freckles anywhere else.
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Bastard!!!! ;)
My mother, brothers and sisters all tan walking across the street. I (like my dad) burn, then burn, then burn some more. I have renounced my Canadian heritage because of this.
Yes I am bitter.
Takes me a full day out in the sun sans shirt before I get any more tanned than normal.
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My dad and aunt are both redheads, and they tan easily. I take after my mom with super fair skin. I can tan, but it is more likely that I burn. My shoulders and knees hardly tan at all, but they freckle. I rarely get freckles anywhere else.
My husband is 100% Irish, and he gets a very dark tan in the summer. He used to tease his father that there must have been some Spanish blood that made it's way into the lineage at some point in time, which always sent his dad through the roof (they being purist Irish and all). LOL.
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A ptarmigan, a willow ptarmigan to be exact. 100% willow ptarmigan.
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Adopted but I suspect I am 100% redneckian.
My adoptive parents are Eastern Europe all thrown into a blender and Melungeon on my mom's side.
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Very cool topic! And I'll bet every one of you speak English.
I'm Black Irish on my Mom's (paternal) side, came over in the late 1890's to 1900's, most perished in the Galveston flood. The maternal side was mostly Native American, Choctaw and Cherokee.
On my Dad's side I'm German, Choctaw, French, and some other southern tribe types in there. :-)
I had paternal great's that fought in the Civil War, one brother from WV was Union and the other was from VA and fought in the confederacy.
I'm a GRIT
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Very cool topic! And I'll bet every one of you speak English.
I'm Black Irish on my Mom's (paternal) side, came over in the late 1890's to 1900's, most perished in the Galveston flood. The maternal side was mostly Native American, Choctaw and Cherokee.
On my Dad's side I'm German, Choctaw, French, and some other southern tribe types in there. :-)
I had paternal great's that fought in the Civil War, one brother from WV was Union and the other was from VA and fought in the confederacy.
I'm a GRIT
Me too! :cheersmate:
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Very cool topic! And I'll bet every one of you speak English.
I'm Black Irish on my Mom's (paternal) side, came over in the late 1890's to 1900's, most perished in the Galveston flood. The maternal side was mostly Native American, Choctaw and Cherokee.
On my Dad's side I'm German, Choctaw, French, and some other southern tribe types in there. :-)
I had paternal great's that fought in the Civil War, one brother from WV was Union and the other was from VA and fought in the confederacy.
I'm a GRIT
I have Civil War Veterans on both sides. One was a Confederate soldier from Virginia, and 2 were Confederate soldiers from Texas. The two from Texas spent time in the same Union POW camp, then the younger became the son-in-law of the older once the war was over. I've often wondered how that happened, and if there was some great romance in my family history :).
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Lessee . . . My paternal grandfather was 100% Irish. He married a woman whose parents escaped Russia when Lenin started his stuff in 1905. My mother's side . . . Her father was English, mostly. Judging from pictures that I've seen of his family, they were 100% English. There's ancestors of his that fought on the Patriot side of the American Revolution. He married a woman (who was born in NYC) who didn't speak English until she was 16--my aunt has her birth certificate, and it's in Italian.
So, I've got 25% Irish, 25% Russian, 25% English, and 25% Italian.
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My mom is from Poland and my dad's parents were both from Sicily.
So, half Polish and half Sicilian.
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Irish, Scottish, a little German, a little Cherokee, and all American.
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My mom was from Austria, so 1/2 is completely accounted for.
My paternal grandfather had an English name, for what that's worth, have not traced his family at all. But my paternal grandmother came from a mostly Swedish background.
My maternal grandparents were a Baron and Baroness before WW2, so my mom always told us we had purple blood...half red-blooded American and half blue-blooded European. :rotf: I remember believing that as a kid, and couldn't figure out why I bled the same color as everyone else. :rotf:
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I'm 50-50 Swede (about 90% directly from Sweden, the other 5% from Swedes already here, some for a generation or two) and German (about 95% directly from Germany, some for a generation or more).
My wife is 50-50 German and Irish, many of whom were first and second generation offspring of immigrants. One g-g-grandfather was in the US Navy during the Civil War.
I am keeper of our Family Tree, with almost 7300 individuals in it, going back to about 1580.
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I am 100% BritishAmerican!!!!! and proud of it!!!!
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Very cool topic! And I'll bet every one of you speak English.
I'm Black Irish on my Mom's (paternal) side, came over in the late 1890's to 1900's, most perished in the Galveston flood. The maternal side was mostly Native American, Choctaw and Cherokee.
On my Dad's side I'm German, Choctaw, French, and some other southern tribe types in there. :-)
I had paternal great's that fought in the Civil War, one brother from WV was Union and the other was from VA and fought in the confederacy.
I'm a GRIT
I'm not too far from Choctaw land.....
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Irish, Scottish, a little German, a little Cherokee, and all American. SOUTHERN AMERICAN! :-)
Fixed. Me too BTW!!! Actually, I've starting telling people "I prefer the term Appalachian American and not redneck." :tongue:
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It's hilarious how many "Cherokees" we have here. Here in OK, we actually know which tribe, be it Kiowa, Cheyenne, etc. we are descended from. :rotf: :tongue:
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My ancestor was a colonist. New France. Went through hell.
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I have a card carrying Cherokee Okie in my house. Hubby was born and raised in N.E. Ok.
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I have a card carrying Cherokee Okie in my house. Hubby was born and raised in N.E. Ok.
Well, Tahlequah IS the capitol of the Western Cherokee nation. :cheersmate:
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Half English and the other half a mix of Scottish, German, and some other European stuff. The family name is Scottish.
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Inga is a card carrying Echota Cherokee.
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Inga is a card carrying Echota Cherokee.
I have my Muscogee CDIB/"Creek" Dawes Act card.
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Black Dutch, and Sottish. My ancestors came over on the Mayflower. I've researched it back. You will find my last name on the manifest.
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It's hilarious how many "Cherokees" we have here. Here in OK, we actually know which tribe, be it Kiowa, Cheyenne, etc. we are descended from. :rotf: :tongue:
Sorry bro, but Cherokees didn't originate in OK. They were forced there by Old Hickory after being screwed on the Trail of Tears. They were one of the, IIRC, 5 civilized tribes....and COMPLETELY f'ed over.
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Very interesting thread! :popcorn:
For what it's worth, saw this floating around somewhere in cyberspace a while back-
Barack Obama's genealogical make-up
Caucasian- 50%
Arabic- 44%
African- 6%
Can't see that. Looking at his dad, there is NO Arabic in Senior.
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Sorry bro, but Cherokees didn't originate in OK. They were forced there by Old Hickory after being screwed on the Trail of Tears. They were one of the, IIRC, 5 civilized tribes....and COMPLETELY f'ed over.
Yeah, I know. Ya'll all may be Cherokee blood, I really don't know. It is just an old joke here about when someone is "Cherokee" they know they are of Indian blood, but not sure which tribe. The 5 "Civilized" (nowadays they say "Expelled", or something similar, tribes instead) were the Chickasaw, Cherokee, Choctaw, Creek and Seminole.
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For what it's worth, I'm related to Angelina Jolie, Madonna, Celine Dion, Camilla, Hillary...... :yawn:
My grandparents had our geneolagy books researched before any of this was discovered. Even before some of them were born. I knew this when it was just family history.. Now it's "oh wow...they're related!" I"m at the same level in the tree as them but I'm not famous.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zacharie_Cloutier
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For what it's worth, I'm related to Angelina Jolie, Madonna, Celine Dion, Camilla, Hillary...... :yawn:
Well you're just all f'ed up 3 ways to Sunday, aren't you?
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Well you're just all f'ed up 3 ways to Sunday, aren't you?
I know :o :bawl:
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Sorry bro, but Cherokees didn't originate in OK. They were forced there by Old Hickory after being screwed on the Trail of Tears. They were one of the, IIRC, 5 civilized tribes....and COMPLETELY f'ed over.
YEP!! Most of the Cherokee were from Georgia, Alabama & Mississippi originally. Jackson STOLE their land at gunpoint and forced them west of the Mississippi. Jackson was another DEMOCRAT president that thought he was better than the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court ruled that what Jackson did to the Cherokee was against the laws of the land. As far as his Presidency, he and 0bamao seem very similar. I don't think Jackson went on vacation as much and there weren't any Muslims to appease. The big difference is that Jackson WAS a war hero. The Democratic Party's mascot was started after Jackson's nickname, "Jackass".
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YEP!! Most of the Cherokee were from Georgia, Alabama & Mississippi originally. Jackson STOLE their land at gunpoint and forced them west of the Mississippi. Jackson was another DEMOCRAT president that thought he was better than the Supreme Court. The Supreme Court ruled that what Jackson did to the Cherokee was against the laws of the land. As far as his Presidency, he and 0bamao seem very similar. I don't think Jackson went on vacation as much and there weren't any Muslims to appease. The big difference is that Jackson WAS a war hero. The Democratic Party's mascot was started after Jackson's nickname, "Jackass".
Actually, the Cherokee were from Appalachia, NC, E TN, etc. The Muskogee-Creek were the main inhabitants of the most populated areas of GA and the Choctaw were all over Mississippi.
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On my Mom's side I'm three quarters Hungarian and one quarter German. My grandparents LEGALLY immigrated to the USA in the '20's. So, on my maternal side I'm a second generation American.
Dad's side is more mixed. His ancestors, depending on which branch we're talking about, came over to the USA a century or more before the Revolution. They fought on both sides of the Civil War. Scottish, English, German, and a dash of Irish (one Flannary ancestor identified and that was in the 1700's).
Through Dad, I can trace my family back to European royalty, big whoop as at least one fourth and maybe even one half of all European-Americans can do the same, if they find the connection through research, of course. IIRC George Washington is my 7th cousin 17 times removed. :tongue: Yeah, I know, not at all impressive. :-)
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Sorry bro, but Cherokees didn't originate in OK. They were forced there by Old Hickory after being screwed on the Trail of Tears. They were one of the, IIRC, 5 civilized tribes....and COMPLETELY f'ed over.
Amen brother! They were land owners, puttin' up with the gubmint, makin' a livin' just like the pioneers. Jackson totally screwed 'em over and took their land away and force fed them into reservation life.
Jackson was one of the worst back stabbin' pricks in American history. He used them to kick ass in 1812 against the British, then turned on 'em and made them third class citizens, worse than what the Negros were goin' thru at the time! It's a pretty pathetic story!
What's an insult to them to this day, is havin' his portrait on the $20 bill! I've heard the Cherokee nation won't even use them! Can't say as I blame 'em!!!
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Dad's side is German. Mom's side is Irish.
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Paternal- French/Shawnee/Cherokee
Arrived here in the early 1600's with Champlain; title bestowed by Henri. General John * was a boy soldier in the Revolutionary War, Senator, and Brigadier General of the 4th Brigade, 1812. He was one of the first settlers in what became Greenville,SC. Throw in Blue Jacket, Tecumseh and some business deals with Thomas Jefferson.
Maternal- Scot/Welsh (traces back to Vikings); clan of Robert the Bruce' mother.
A relative spent 30+ years tracing dad's side and published two volumes. It reads like a history book, all my kids and grandkids have use it for school reports.
I'm probably related to Boudicca :lmao:
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My daddy used to tell me when I asked. "Your halfway between a ni***r and an old oak tree" So that make me am American I guess.
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half Alsatian
Dumbass Tanker, your dad was half dog? :-)
Scottish and Welsh, a real WASP. Someone dabbled with a Cherokee along the way though, so I tan real easily.
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What's an insult to them to this day, is havin' his portrait on the $20 bill! I've heard the Cherokee nation won't even use them! Can't say as I blame 'em!!!
Many in the Creek Nation won't. They are still livid over Jackson's actions in Alabama.
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I saved a section of a white oak tree that I cut down in our yard. That was in 1997.
I counted the rings 8 times, and that oak took root back in 1791. I've used colored pins to show important years for the family tree, including the years of births, deaths, and wars our country was involved in. Our grandkids - all 6 of them - have used it in their classrooms for "show and tell."
Those days are past, so now it'll just be another part of the family history when I leave this earth.
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I saved a section of a white oak tree that I cut down in our yard. That was in 1997.
I counted the rings 8 times, and that oak took root back in 1791. I've used colored pins to show important years for the family tree, including the years of births, deaths, and wars our country was involved in. Our grandkids - all 6 of them - have used it in their classrooms for "show and tell."
Those days are past, so now it'll just be another part of the family history when I leave this earth.
That is really cool CG6468. Really cool.
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Out of all of you Cherokee, how many of you actually have that qualifying card??
Me, I don't tan, I BURN!!
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Maternal-English, Scots-Irish (traced back to 1600)
Paternal-Unknown, most likely Scots-Irish, Melungeon
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Out of all of you Cherokee, how many of you actually have that qualifying card??
Me, I don't tan, I BURN!!
I didn't even know it was still considered a legit tribe. My DIL's father is Apache and her Mom, I never can remember, Neah Bay WA Makah I think. She was denied a card from the Apache's because a grandmother at some point was Irish. Her father is on the tribal council, still not good enough to carry a card even though she grew up on a rez and has the relatives in prison to prove it :whistling:
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That is really cool CG6468. Really cool.
I agree, that is super cool.
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I didn't even know it was still considered a legit tribe. My DIL's father is Apache and her Mom, I never can remember, Neah Bay WA Makah I think. She was denied a card from the Apache's because a grandmother at some point was Irish. Her father is on the tribal council, still not good enough to carry a card even though she grew up on a rez and has the relatives in prison to prove it :whistling:
It is easier with the 5 Nations. If your family is on the Dawes' Rolls, and you can prove lineage, you get the card. The latterly suppressed tribes, Apache, Cheyenne, Comanche, etc. have other qualifying mechanisms, tribal government approval, etc. for admission into the tribal rolls.
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Paternal.....my dad's mom was born and raised in Scotland (her mother's side had their own island), went to England to "finishing school" and ended up teaching there and met my grandfather (his family was from the Manchester area) there. They legally immigrated to Ohio in early 1921 and my dad was born in that fall.
Maternal...I don't know too much, other than my grandfather's father(may have been his grandfather) immigrated from England...and shortened their very "English" surname for some reason. My grandmother's family was also English. I was told that they all came over after the Civil War.
One of these days, I need to really spend time researching the family. I know when I was young, there was quite a bit of family over in England and Scotland, as my grandparents would go back and visit.
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Dumbass Tanker, your dad was half dog? :-)
Scottish and Welsh, a real WASP. Someone dabbled with a Cherokee along the way though, so I tan real easily.
No, and I believe someone else mentioned that ethnicity in their run-down, as well. Are you saying your ancestors were gettin' it on in the back of a Jeep SUV?
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I'm a hodge podge. One great grandmother was Welsh, one great grandfather was Scottish, and one great grandfather was German. The rest were mostly English, with some Irish, and one French Duke that fled the French Revolution. I've had ancestors on American soil since before the American Revolution so a little bits of various nationalities seem to have been mixed in along the way.
Hell, you might be a cousin. :-)
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My mother's ancestors were moved to Oklahoma from North Carolina and Eastern TN during the relocation act. Her grandparents were both 1/2 Cherokee (not sure of the tribe but my mom may know). My grandfather and his siblings were born in Sand Springs, OK, and at some point they all moved to Yell Co, AR.
My great grandfather would not own up to being a half breed until later in life. His daughter and her cousin pressed the issue, however, and he and my great grandmother were finally registered.
My great grandparents were 1st cousins. That, plus being born in AR makes me a prime candidate for inbred Arkansas jokes :tongue:
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Paternal- French/Shawnee/Cherokee
Arrived here in the early 1600's with Champlain; title bestowed by Henri. General John * was a boy soldier in the Revolutionary War, Senator, and Brigadier General of the 4th Brigade, 1812. He was one of the first settlers in what became Greenville,SC. Throw in Blue Jacket, Tecumseh and some business deals with Thomas Jefferson.
Maternal- Scot/Welsh (traces back to Vikings); clan of Robert the Bruce' mother.
A relative spent 30+ years tracing dad's side and published two volumes. It reads like a history book, all my kids and grandkids have use it for school reports.
I'm probably related to Boudicca :lmao:
Are you sure you wanna be? :o :lmao:
One of my paternal grandmother's great grandfathers basically founded present day Jefferson, NC, guy's last name was Burkett. I am supposed to be writing a book on all the research I've done over the past dozen years but I hate compiling it. Hubby keeps telling me I'd better get it down before I'm dead, but I have an entire bookshelf of research folders and have managed to do up the line and block charts so enterprising youngster perhaps yet to be born can do that project.
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My mother's ancestors were moved to Oklahoma from North Carolina and Eastern TN during the relocation act. Her grandparents were both 1/2 Cherokee (not sure of the tribe but my mom may know). My grandfather and his siblings were born in Sand Springs, OK, and at some point they all moved to Yell Co, AR.
My great grandfather would not own up to being a half breed until later in life. His daughter and her cousin pressed the issue, however, and he and my great grandmother were finally registered.
My great grandparents were 1st cousins. That, plus being born in AR makes me a prime candidate for inbred Arkansas jokes :tongue:
First cousin marriages happened all the time, and still do in many parts of the world. Hubby used to make fun of me, being a Southern girl from Dad's side of the family, but hey, when I dug into his Mom's New England roots I found quite a few first cousin marriages. :lmao: :lmao:He got all butt hurt (not really), but he DID quit talking shit about inbred Southerners. :-)
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I'm not too sure either. Seem to be Celtic of some sort.
What I was told kind of depended on how mad my mom was at the time. :p
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Hell, you might be a cousin. :-)
Could be :-)
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Fathers side, pure 100% English and any other nationality of men that could out run the woman.
Mothers side French Canadian and any other nationality of men that could out run the woman. We have a wood pile 60 feet high in our family tree that may contain all races on earth.----Both sides were sea fairing men and spread their seed where ever the wind blew their sails
We did find a family of Hawaiians of some sort that were related to my Father as they jumped ship in the early 1800 in the islands and some how the SIR name stayed intact. This find was pure accident but the family had records that showed they originally came from Dads neck of the woods and were actually related.
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No, and I believe someone else mentioned that ethnicity in their run-down, as well. Are you saying your ancestors were gettin' it on in the back of a Jeep SUV?
:tongue:
That were me.
I have two French families
swingin' in the tree,
one from Alsace
and one from Norman-dee.
(I think the Alsatian branch preferred to be thought of as German. Came across after 1870.)
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Mostly, I just tell people I am TEXAN by the grace of God. Does that count?
Hubby's family tree is interesting...one side related to Benedict Arnold and the other to Jesse James/Cole Younger gang. My in-laws are outlaws. :lmao:
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First cousin marriages happened all the time, and still do in many parts of the world. Hubby used to make fun of me, being a Southern girl from Dad's side of the family, but hey, when I dug into his Mom's New England roots I found quite a few first cousin marriages. :lmao: :lmao:He got all butt hurt (not really), but he DID quit talking shit about inbred Southerners. :-)
You are right Bou - seems to be common in other parts of the world. They are the only ones I know of in my family. Used to tell my younger sister she was retarded because of it. :-)
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You are right Bou - seems to be common in other parts of the world. They are the only ones I know of in my family. Used to tell my younger sister she was retarded because of it. :-)
I'm almost afraid to ask what your sister responded with. :whistling:
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You are right Bou - seems to be common in other parts of the world. They are the only ones I know of in my family. Used to tell my younger sister she was retarded because of it. :-)
Well, when I went to Scotland, to find my Granddad's ancestors, and found my Pappaw's too, in the same place....well, let's just say I was a bit wierded out. :whatever:
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Well, when I went to Scotland, to find my Granddad's ancestors, and found my Pappaw's too, in the same place....well, let's just say I was a bit wierded out. :whatever:
Remember that first cousin marriages in the olden days usually happened due to a shortage of people in any given isolated village. The place would get settled by half a dozen families, or whatever, and within a few generations everyone was related to everyone else.
It WOULD be awfully weird for one's aunt and uncle to also be one's in-laws though. :o
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Well, when I went to Scotland, to find my Granddad's ancestors, and found my Pappaw's too, in the same place....well, let's just say I was a bit wierded out. :whatever:
It is kind of a wierd feeling to find that out. It's not like they were siblings though :rotf:
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...It WOULD be awfully weird for one's aunt and uncle to also be one's in-laws though. :o
That just reminded me of something. I knew a man whose wife died. A couple of years later he married her sister. Ewwww. The son's aunt was also his step-mom.
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[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kOSuY-8qtg[/youtube]
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It is kind of a wierd feeling to find that out. It's not like they were siblings though :rotf:
Actually, among certain royal families, there were some siblings that married and had children.
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It is kind of a wierd feeling to find that out. It's not like they were siblings though :rotf:
No, but there could have been some of that fighting over the women folk from the men folk. The good news is that my Grandmother and Mammaw are NOT related in any way. At least back to 1500 or so. So I think I am good. :-)
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Now this is really getting interesting :lmao:
It is illegal to marry your first cousin in West Virginia but not South Carolina. Had to change my jokes when I learned that one.
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Polish-Irish-German ancestry. So while I'll be slow on the uptake I'll still stomp your asses and drink you under the table.
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Polish-Irish-German ancestry. So while I'll be slow on the uptake I'll still stomp your asses and drink you under the table.
There was a time that you couldn't have done either. But, that was many years ago and nowdays I don't drink or fight. If I can get out of somebody's way, I'll just bust a cap in their ass given no other alternative.
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Polish-Irish-German ancestry. So while I'll be slow on the uptake I'll still stomp your asses and drink you under the table.
Them's fightin' words. :couch:
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Them's fightin' words. :couch:
High 5 LC I almost posted that exact phrase but I'm new here. My daughters have that exact ethnicity, Polish-Irish-German.
Both A students and could each debate any libtard five times their age handily. The ex wife though, well that's another story...
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[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kOSuY-8qtg[/youtube]
Ewwww!! H5 though :)
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Actually, among certain royal families, there were some siblings that married and had children.
True. Is that why so many turned out crazy?
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That just reminded me of something. I knew a man whose wife died. A couple of years later he married her sister. Ewwww. The son's aunt was also his step-mom.
Not odd in the least---This is what scares the bejepers out of genealogists.
Remember in the early 1700 when a woman died leaving 6 kids for a man to raise, often her sister, childless and single would move into the home to help out her nieces and nephews. Because of the churches, scandal would break out if the sister was living with the widower and so they married and started their own family.
This I believe is what happend to the widow of the last civil war veteran when he died. She was only 22 years old at the time of his death. She had gone to work to care for this 80 year old man when she was 12-13 or so and they were married as the comunity frowned
on cohabitation of unmarried people. After his death she married again and only at her very old age did the family turn up papers saying she was the last living wife of a civil war veteran.
Quite a to-do to her surprise to find she was a piece of living history.
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[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_kOSuY-8qtg[/youtube]
A classic...actually there is no incest in the story, though. Neither marriage is to a blood relative.
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That were me.
I have two French families
swingin' in the tree,
one from Alsace
and one from Norman-dee.
(I think the Alsatian branch preferred to be thought of as German. Came across after 1870.)
That's when mine came over, too; brothers who didn't want to be drafted into the Prussian army after the French lost the territory. They were pretty much Germanic rather than French judging by the surname and what little I know of the Christian names, but in family lore they became 'Of French ancestry' probably about the time of WWI.
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It is easier with the 5 Nations. If your family is on the Dawes' Rolls, and you can prove lineage, you get the card. The latterly suppressed tribes, Apache, Cheyenne, Comanche, etc. have other qualifying mechanisms, tribal government approval, etc. for admission into the tribal rolls.
The Dawes Roll is used for the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma. The Eastern Band of NC uses the 1924 Baker Roll, and you must have at least 1/16th Cherokee blood.
The United Keetoowah Band (OK) requires 1/4 degree of “Old Settlerâ€/Keetoowah Cherokee blood, and uses the Emigration Roll of 1817 (AR) and the Old Settler Roll of 1851 (OK).
The Eastern Shawnee (OK) requires trace to the 1938 Roll, a birth certificate stating Eastern Shawnee parentage, if it doesn't, you need blood tests, and parental affidavits proving your lineage. The Shawnee Nation, United Remnant Band (OH) requires 1/16th blood and 2 years probation before the Council vote, no guarantee of acceptance.
I belong to two.
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Are you sure you wanna be? :o :lmao:
One of my paternal grandmother's great grandfathers basically founded present day Jefferson, NC, guy's last name was Burkett. I am supposed to be writing a book on all the research I've done over the past dozen years but I hate compiling it. Hubby keeps telling me I'd better get it down before I'm dead, but I have an entire bookshelf of research folders and have managed to do up the line and block charts so enterprising youngster perhaps yet to be born can do that project.
I got a Burke and Burnette, no Burkette. Yet.
I research horse pedigrees (for a fee), it's easier than humans. :wink:
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The Dawes Roll is used for the Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma. The Eastern Band of NC uses the 1924 Baker Roll, and you must have at least 1/16th Cherokee blood.
The United Keetoowah Band (OK) requires 1/4 degree of “Old Settlerâ€/Keetoowah Cherokee blood, and uses the Emigration Roll of 1817 (AR) and the Old Settler Roll of 1851 (OK).
The Eastern Shawnee (OK) requires trace to the 1938 Roll, a birth certificate stating Eastern Shawnee parentage, if it doesn't, you need blood tests, and parental affidavits proving your lineage. The Shawnee Nation, United Remnant Band (OH) requires 1/16th blood and 2 years probation before the Council vote, no guarantee of acceptance.
I belong to two.
Did you know that if you can verify having 1/16th Cherokee blood, you can easily qualify for a small business government funding? Helps even more if female.
Cherokee, NC is the "home base" for the Eastern Cherokee Band is just over the mountains here. They put on a play in a summer amphitheater called "Unto These Hills". The play - or drama as it's called - has been done for 59 years and is second to the longest continual running outdoor drama which is "The Lost Colony" in Manteo, NC. It tells the story of the Cherokee Tribe from it's beginning through the Trail of Tears. I have never seen it, just read a lot about it, and it's supposed to be awesome, as is "The Lost Colony" which I have seen several times starting when I was 8.
Cherokee has a Harrah's Casino, that is raking in the money. They are in the midst of a huge expansion which includes a Paula Deen restaurant that just opened... and I so want to visit!!! :drool:
I was through there last fall with RB and her mother coming back from High Point, NC. We stopped at a Cherokee owned/operated diner that had the best fresh mountain trout and fresh blueberry topped Indian Fry Bread that I've ever had.
They have lots of different events there from March through fall...it's a neat place to visit, and such a beautiful area... if anyone's coming down this way. It's about a half hour or so off of I40 on the Carolina side of the mountains.
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Did you know that if you can verify having 1/16th Cherokee blood, you can easily qualify for a small business government funding? Helps even more if female.
Cherokee, NC is the "home base" for the Eastern Cherokee Band is just over the mountains here. They put on a play in a summer amphitheater called "Unto These Hills". The play - or drama as it's called - has been done for 59 years and is second to the longest continual running outdoor drama which is "The Lost Colony" in Manteo, NC. It tells the story of the Cherokee Tribe from it's beginning through the Trail of Tears. I have never seen it, just read a lot about it, and it's supposed to be awesome, as is "The Lost Colony" which I have seen several times starting when I was 8.
Cherokee has a Harrah's Casino, that is raking in the money. They are in the midst of a huge expansion which includes a Paula Deen restaurant that just opened... and I so want to visit!!! :drool:
I was through there last fall with RB and her mother coming back from High Point, NC. We stopped at a Cherokee owned/operated diner that had the best fresh mountain trout and fresh blueberry topped Indian Fry Bread that I've ever had.
They have lots of different events there from March through fall...it's a neat place to visit, and such a beautiful area... if anyone's coming down this way. It's about a half hour or so off of I40 on the Carolina side of the mountains.
That only applies to Federally recognized tribes. Inga's tribe, the Echota Cherokee is recognized by the State of Alabama, but not Federally. However, they are working on getting Federal recognition.
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That only applies to Federally recognized tribes. Inga's tribe, the Echota Cherokee is recognized by the State of Alabama, but not Federally. However, they are working on getting Federal recognition.
Cherokee is home to The Eastern Band Cherokee Indians of North Carolina, headquartered in Cherokee, NC.
I think most people around here that "claim" Cherokee blood, supposedly are from The Eastern Band.
I know one woman who has tried to get the funding, but she can't provide enough acceptable documentation. :(
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That only applies to Federally recognized tribes. Inga's tribe, the Echota Cherokee is recognized by the State of Alabama, but not Federally. However, they are working on getting Federal recognition.
So there are no Fed recognized Cherokee tribes, east of the MS, I had heard. I've been looking at these great sites posted here for the rolls and have found some family names. Haven't figured out how to completely verify that it is the correct person though. It would really be cool to answer, "Yeah, I can verify my NA blood as well as my Irish". And yep, I'm not surprised at the number of people claiming NA blood, they were told to assimilate right?
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So there are no Fed recognized Cherokee tribes, east of the MS, I had heard. I've been looking at these great sites posted here for the rolls and have found some family names. Haven't figured out how to completely verify that it is the correct person though. It would really be cool to answer, "Yeah, I can verify my NA blood as well as my Irish". And yep, I'm not surprised at the number of people claiming NA blood, they were told to assimilate right?
There are now three Federally recognized Cherokee “nations†or tribes.
(1) The Cherokee Nation of Oklahoma, headquartered in Tahlequa, OK;
(2) The Eastern Band Cherokee Indians of North Carolina, headquartered in Cherokee, NC.
(3) The United Keetoowah Band of Cherokee Indians, headquartered in Tahlequa, OK;
http://www.tngenweb.org/tnfirst/recognized.html
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Yeah, the Eastern Band of the Cherokee Nation own PRIME land up in North Carolina, not far from Bryson City and Gatlinburg. Google Map Cherokee, NC.
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Yeah, the Eastern Band of the Cherokee Nation own PRIME land up in North Carolina, not far from Bryson City and Gatlinburg. Google Map Cherokee, NC.
Stopped there a year ago, and left a significant sum with the merchants in the mall (Mrs.D can't resist native American crafts). Just outside Smoky Mountain National Park......
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I visited Cherokee/Gatlinburg as a child. It is a beautiful place and I remember the Natives. Mostly went to old outpost sorta merchants, don't think there was a mall. That's how long ago it was :-)
I think I've been to darn near every "Fort" in Florida, too.
Thanks for the links!
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I've lived here most of my life and have never been to Gatlinburg (that I can remember). :(
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My peeps have all been here long enough to fight the Revolution and both sides of the War Between the States.
Primarily Scottish, with a scootch of English, Welsh, and Irish. My Mom's Dad and my Dad's Dad's families were both traced back to the same castle in Scotland, where apparently, both clans fought over it for years. I find that sad, poetic and hilarious at the same time.
+1, with the exception of my parents' family lines arguing over the castle. (forgive me if you've already answered this in a later post) What clans are you affiliated with?
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+1, with the exception of my parents' family lines arguing over the castle. (forgive me if you've already answered this in a later post) What clans are you affiliated with?
Donnachaidh and Murray.
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Donnachaidh and Murray.
Mine are Campbell and Mackay.
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Stopped there a year ago, and left a significant sum with the merchants in the mall (Mrs.D can't resist native American crafts). Just outside Smoky Mountain National Park......
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The website for Harrah's in Cherokee has a lot of info on all that they are adding. They are adding in a whole bunch more shops. :wink: And a couple more restaurants.
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Donnachaidh and Murray.
Dunbar on this end.
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Mine are Campbell and Mackay.
Mine is Mackenzie
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Donnachaidh and Murray.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Donnachaidh :lmao:
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http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Donnachaidh :lmao:
Oh come on, Thundley. Every family has their "black sheep"....... :sheep:
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http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Donnachaidh :lmao:
I didn't even click. FWIW, the Donnachaidh is my Maternal Granddad. When he fell in love with my Grandmother and asked her to marry him, she said she would, but he had to change up his lifestyle.
1. He had to change from Democrat to Republican
2. He had to change from Methodist to Baptist
3. He had to stop smoking.
He did, and he lived happily ever after. :-)
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I didn't even click. FWIW, the Donnachaidh is my Maternal Granddad. When he fell in love with my Grandmother and asked her to marry him, she said she would, but he had to change up his lifestyle.
1. He had to change from Democrat to Republican
2. He had to change from Methodist to Baptist
3. He had to stop smoking.
He did, and he lived happily ever after. :-)
I happened to recall seeing a DUmmie using the clan name as their name. I know it's only coincidence. :)
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I am 100% Dutch both sides. I can ice skate like no other and wear wooden shoes. :-)
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I am 100% Dutch both sides. I can ice skate like no other and wear wooden shoes. :-)
My ex is part Dutch...when his great-grandfather immigrated, he had to change his surname at Ellis Island.
Who knew that one of his sons would end up in Nebraska with a name that sounds like he's part of an Indian tribe?
Can't tell you how many times I have been asked over the last 30+ years - especially living in a Cherokee area, I have been asked what tribe I belonged to. :whatever:
My ex's family response was always "The Fuqawee Tribe...."they are the ones who come up over the hill, and ask "where the **** are we"?"
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My ex is part Dutch...when his great-grandfather immigrated, he had to change his surname at Ellis Island.
Who knew that one of his sons would end up in Nebraska with a name that sounds like he's part of an Indian tribe?
Can't tell you how many times I have been asked over the last 30+ years - especially living in a Cherokee area, I have been asked what tribe I belonged to. :whatever:
My ex's family response was always "The Fuqawee Tribe...."they are the ones who come up over the hill, and ask "where the **** are we"?"
Driving back from Dallas the other day, there was road called, "Kerfoot" Road. I wondered if there was some distant relation.
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Driving back from Dallas the other day, there was road called, "Kerfoot" Road. I wondered if there was some distant relation.
nope.
The only ones with the name are related.
Amazing how many people pronounce it like above though. ::)
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nope.
The only ones with the name are related.
Amazing how many people pronounce it like above though. ::)
Well, in Dutch/ German/ northern european, it probably was spelled, "Köefoot" at one time. "Kerfoot" would be the proper pronunciation.
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Well, in Dutch/ German/ northern european, it probably was spelled, "Köefoot" at one time. "Kerfoot" would be the proper pronunciation.
Koevoet. Pronounced Co-vute.
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Ferguson and MacNeil are my clans.
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Ferguson and MacNeil are my clans.
Howdy cousin, Grant and MacNeil are mine :-)
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Almost exclusively Polish; my family came to America in 1906. I'm second-generation American :)
There is a small amount of Russian ancestry from my mother's side, and possibly a little German or Austrian from my father's.
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Irish from my Mother. Maiden name of Magee. English and Irish on my Fathers side. Union of Tucker and Broyles.
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Scots......Highlanders on both sides.........fourth generation off the boat.
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Highlanders on both sides here too. Only way to make sure the blood stays pure. Well that and maybe a little single malt