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Current Events => Archives => Politics => Election 2008 => Topic started by: Digger on October 03, 2008, 06:34:37 PM
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This is just hitting the news. Mostly just on blog's now.
http://texashillblog.wordpress.com/2008/10/02/federal-judge-orders-obama-to-produce-his-birth-certificate/
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Uh oh.... :fuelfire:
UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE EASTERN DISTRICT OF PENNSYLVANIA
PHILIP J. BERG, ESQUIRE, Plaintiff :
vs. BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, ET AL, Defendants :
:CIVIL ACTION NO: 08-cv- 04083
ORDER ON DEFENDANT’S, BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA AND THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE’S MOTION TO DISMISS PLAINTIFF’S COMPLAINT PURSUANT TO RULE 12(b)(1) and 12(b)(6)
THIS CAUSE came before the United States District Court Judge, Honorable R. Barclay Surrick on Defendant’s Barack Hussein Obama and the Democratic National Committee’s Motion to Dismiss. Having reviewed the Motion and Plaintiff’s Opposition to said Motion and for good cause shown, it is hereby ORDERED that the Motion to Dismiss pursuant to F.R.C.P. 12(b)(1) and 12(b)(6) is DENIED. It is further ORDER of this Court that the following discovery is to be turned over to Plaintiff within three (3) days:
1. Obama’s “vault” version (certified copy of his “original” long version) Birth Certificate; and
2. A certified copy of Obama’s Certification of Citizenship;
3. A Certified copy of Obama’s Oath of Allegiance.
IT IS SO ORDERED
Dated: September 29, 2008
Hon. R. Barclay Surrick
United States District Court Judge
For the Eastern District of PA
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Very interesting... :devious:
"The Obama camp quickly reacted, not by producing the certificate, but by filing a motion to dismiss….
And then, on Obama’s own website, he now admits to being a US/Kenya dual national until his 18th birthday."
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Curiouser and Curiouser :popcorn:
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Could this be the October surprise??
No way, we could not be that fortunate...but if this is true...and he is not even a native born USA citizen..... :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:
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I would love to know how long can Obama not comply with the law before his ass is hauled off to jail for contempt of court.
I am beginning to think that the legal system is collapsing before our eyes.
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Very interesting... :devious:
"The Obama camp quickly reacted, not by producing the certificate, but by filing a motion to dismiss….
And then, on Obama’s own website, he now admits to being a US/Kenya dual national until his 18th birthday."
That's nothing really. He could have been born in Aimes, Iowa of US/Kenyan parents and held dual citizenship. Parents citizenship not a question. Barry's place of birth is a question though primarily because of the age of his US citizen mother at the time.
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oh is this sweet
he better hope his "friends" in Chicago can do a credible job with forged documents
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:devious:
http://freevoiceonline.wordpress.com/2008/09/29/fight-the-smears-website-admits-obama-was-kenyan-citizen-wheres-the-msm/
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:popcorn:
I looked into the birth cert issue some months back and dropped it as a red-herring pursuit. If there is meat to this latest flap, it would be the mother of all October surprises.
For fun - lets consider this - Lets assume that Obama is removed re: ineligible to run as POTUS -- what does The Constitution say ?
I have no idea what would happen at this point -
Would the race continue as McCain vs Obama with Biden sliding into POTUS if elected (probably about a 5% of victory if this were true.. but for the sake of this exercise.. ) ?
Would it be McCain vs minor parties ?
Would the DNC be compelled to rewrite the ticket ?
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Hillary back in play? :popcorn: :popcorn:
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Hillary back in play? :popcorn: :popcorn:
bingo
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Berg JUST HAPPENS TO BE a hillary supporter... :fuelfire:
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I think he is not releasing it because his race is listed as caucasian on his birth certificate.
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If this turns out to be true .Barrys run would be the fastest one to sink in U.S. History.
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I think he is not releasing it because his race is listed as caucasian on his birth certificate.
Well in that case he could be the 2nd white guy claiming to be black to run for Prez. :whatever:
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Age of his mother? If it IS/WAS his "mother"! :lmao: :tongue: :naughty:
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I wasn't aware that US/Kenyan dual citizenship was possible. My wife is from Kenya, just a green card holder at the moment, and as far as we know, she has to make an either or decision regarding that. She's been here long enough to become a citizen now, but she just has to study all the stuff for the test and then we have to fork over the money.
Incidentally, and maybe I shouldn't admit this around here, she's the same tribe as Obama's father, the Luo tribe. All the Luo people I know in the US with the exception of my wife are huge Obama fans, for no other reason than he's their tribe. Policy doesn't matter at all. "He's one of us."
But man, wouldn't it be something if there was any truth to all this stuff, or if at least his reluctance to produce documents could be used effectively?
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I wasn't aware that US/Kenyan dual citizenship was possible. My wife is from Kenya, just a green card holder at the moment, and as far as we know, she has to make an either or decision regarding that. She's been here long enough to become a citizen now, but she just has to study all the stuff for the test and then we have to fork over the money.
Incidentally, and maybe I shouldn't admit this around here, she's the same tribe as Obama's father, the Luo tribe. All the Luo people I know in the US with the exception of my wife are huge Obama fans, for no other reason than he's their tribe. Policy doesn't matter at all. "He's one of us."
But man, wouldn't it be something if there was any truth to all this stuff, or if at least his reluctance to produce documents could be used effectively?
I don't believe your wife could do this via marriage. Its a mother/father sort of thing or as is the case with my niece's husband who is Bahamian/English as his folks were living in the Bahamas when he was born but are English. Local l;aws tend to govern it in conjunction with originating country.
But the law at the time, and this matters, would not allow for it as BHOs mother was 17 which precluded her being able to offer him her citizenship. The laws changed later on so the timing was essential to this case.
It will be interesting to see if he can produce bona fide paperwork.
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I wasn't aware that US/Kenyan dual citizenship was possible. My wife is from Kenya, just a green card holder at the moment, and as far as we know, she has to make an either or decision regarding that. She's been here long enough to become a citizen now, but she just has to study all the stuff for the test and then we have to fork over the money.
Incidentally, and maybe I shouldn't admit this around here, she's the same tribe as Obama's father, the Luo tribe. All the Luo people I know in the US with the exception of my wife are huge Obama fans, for no other reason than he's their tribe. Policy doesn't matter at all. "He's one of us."
But man, wouldn't it be something if there was any truth to all this stuff, or if at least his reluctance to produce documents could be used effectively?
I don't believe your wife could do this via marriage. Its a mother/father sort of thing or as is the case with my niece's husband who is Bahamian/English as his folks were living in the Bahamas when he was born but are English. Local l;aws tend to govern it in conjunction with originating country.
But the law at the time, and this matters, would not allow for it as BHOs mother was 17 which precluded her being able to offer him her citizenship. The laws changed later on so the timing was essential to this case.
It will be interesting to see if he can produce bona fide paperwork.
Nobama has two choices. Produce the documents or escalate the legal fight.
If he appeals, where would it go next and how much time might he gain? How far would he be willing to go?
If it has merit, this will replace Nobama with Hillary?
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I wasn't aware that US/Kenyan dual citizenship was possible. My wife is from Kenya, just a green card holder at the moment, and as far as we know, she has to make an either or decision regarding that. She's been here long enough to become a citizen now, but she just has to study all the stuff for the test and then we have to fork over the money.
Incidentally, and maybe I shouldn't admit this around here, she's the same tribe as Obama's father, the Luo tribe. All the Luo people I know in the US with the exception of my wife are huge Obama fans, for no other reason than he's their tribe. Policy doesn't matter at all. "He's one of us."
But man, wouldn't it be something if there was any truth to all this stuff, or if at least his reluctance to produce documents could be used effectively?
I don't believe your wife could do this via marriage. Its a mother/father sort of thing or as is the case with my niece's husband who is Bahamian/English as his folks were living in the Bahamas when he was born but are English. Local l;aws tend to govern it in conjunction with originating country.
But the law at the time, and this matters, would not allow for it as BHOs mother was 17 which precluded her being able to offer him her citizenship. The laws changed later on so the timing was essential to this case.
It will be interesting to see if he can produce bona fide paperwork.
Nobama has two choices. Produce the documents or escalate the legal fight.
If he appeals, where would it go next and how much time might he gain? How far would he be willing to go?
If it has merit, this will replace Nobama with Hillary?
Timing is everything I guess, right up until the electors vote the candidate can be swapped out. After that, maybe its just like Miss America... in the event the winner cannot serve, first runner up assumes ?
Not sure they have a plan for this.
I'm pretty sure that the DNC won't leave it to chance.
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I read most of the court paperwork and Berg has a very intriguing case against Obama. It gets very specific...
As for his race status the fraudulent birth certificate on his website do not list his race. :evillaugh: Only his mother and father's.
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Hillary back in play? :popcorn: :popcorn:
I've said it before and I'll say it again....I ain't counting Hillary out until the last vote is counted in November.
...and furthermore. I wouldn't put it past Dimocrats to have known all along he wasn't a US citizen with the hope of slipping Hillary in at the last minute to ride a sudden wave of support into Washington.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again....I ain't counting Hillary out until the last vote is counted in November.
...and furthermore. I wouldn't put it past Dimocrats to have known all along he wasn't a US citizen with the hope of slipping Hillary in at the last minute to ride a sudden wave of support into Washington.
I think that it would be too late to do so at this point - but this would certainly assure that Hillary is the frontrunner for 2012. Im also reasonably certain that this mess would cost Obama his Senate seat, and his personal freedoms as he would get to chillax at Club Fed for a couple of years.
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For fun - lets consider this - Lets assume that Obama is removed re: ineligible to run as POTUS -- what does The Constitution say ?
Would the race continue as McCain vs Obama with Biden sliding into POTUS if elected (probably about a 5% of victory if this were true.. but for the sake of this exercise.. ) ?
Would it be McCain vs minor parties ?
Would the DNC be compelled to rewrite the ticket ?
Political Parties are private enterprises. They, meaning the Democrats, could write whatever rules they might need at the time.
But suddenly we look pretty smart for bringing up his background during the campaign now don't we?
It's not our fault the Dems didn't vet their candidate properly! :-)
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Well in that case he could be the 2nd white guy claiming to be black to run for Prez. :whatever:
Being listed as caucasian wouldn't bode well with certain constituents.
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regardless of what, if anything, is on his birth certificate, he's looking guilty of something by NOT producing it...not that it matters to his little minions.
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He was born in here, right? No one is saying his mom moved to Kenya for the birth...
Goofy.
So leagal eagles.... If he fails to perform discovery, does that mean the other side wins by default?
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No, but Obama CAN be held in contempt. Basically, unless Obama appeals the ruling, and judging by the date (last week) he's done so very quietly. Nothing good for him can come of making an issue or publicly fighting this.
If (and it's a HUGE if) he's not eligible to run for POTUS, more than likely the DNC will have to go back to the drawing board and draft a presidential candidate. Logic would dictate that they go with Hillary since she did have the second-most delegates, but it's not a certainty. They could go with Biden, they could do whatever the hell they wanted, but bottom line, with 31 days left before the election, any loss on the ticket now pretty much dooms them regardless of who replaces Obama.
But this is all moot--an update from Thursday:
UPDATE: Correction… It seems that while Obama really has admitted dual citizenship, the order quoted above has not yet been signed and the motion to dismiss has been not yet been denied.
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IF....Obama gets elected, but found not qualified to be President (pun intended)....and Biden steps in as President.....does that mean that Pelosi steps in as VP?
Or does the Speaker only step directly to the Presidency if both the Pres and VP are incapacitated or replaced and the new Pres gets to pick his own VP?
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IF....Obama gets elected, but found not qualified to be President (pun intended)....and Biden steps in as President.....does that mean that Pelosi steps in as VP?
Or does the Speaker only step directly to the Presidency if both the Pres and VP are incapacitated or replaced and the new Pres gets to pick his own VP?
No, they'd go through a process to nominate and confirm another VP. San Fran Nan only becomes president if the pres and VP are incapacitated or unreachable. God help us if we have another Al Haig, "I'm in charge here" moment.
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Still, he's a thug...I hope they throw his ass in jail for contempt of court. :lmao: It would be a great lead story photo... :evillaugh:
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Maybe it's me, but I don't think this'll end well. Obama could basically shoot somebody and still receive 45 percent of the vote.
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Maybe it's me, but I don't think this'll end well. Obama could basically shoot somebody and still receive 45 percent of the vote.
While I think this issue should be pursued to the extent possible, I think the counter-attack needs to be focused on (1) him being unfit to lead as CinC and (2) his policy of raising taxes on business is absurd in a weak economy. We need a one-two knockout, let Saracuda handle #1 and McCain address #2.
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It isn't signed by the judge.
I don't think this means much. I think it's just a motion by the plaintiff for what he wants the judge to say.
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He was born in here, right? No one is saying his mom moved to Kenya for the birth...
they are saying she was in Kenya while preggers and waited a little too long and was not permitted to fly out for the delivery. there is some evidence to suggest this.
Goofy.
kinda harsh, I think he's painfully naive.
So leagal eagles.... If he fails to perform discovery, does that mean the other side wins by default?
if he can't prove he's an American, he can't run. well, perhaps more accurate to say he can't serve. they were supposed to get this figured out before now.
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if he can't prove he's an American, he can't run. well, perhaps more accurate to say he can't serve. they were supposed to get this figured out before now.
As far as I know, we haven't dealt with this before. Up until now, everyone who's run for president hasn't been stupid enough to conceal their true nationality. No one from any major party anyway.
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As long as ONE parent was a natural born USA American, it does not matter where he/she/it was born. That person is a Natural Born American too. So, unless his Mother had renounced her citizenship AND he was indeed born offshore, he is an American too (despite his socialist / collectivest politics) and may run.
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As long as ONE parent was a natural born USA American, it does not matter where he/she/it was born. That person is a Natural Born American too. So, unless his Mother had renounced her citizenship AND he was indeed born offshore, he is an American too (despite his socialist / collectivest politics) and may run.
The Us Citizen parent must have held citizenship for X amount of yrs. Snobamas mama wasn't old enough. That's why the question of Snobamas place of birth. Born in HI no big deal Born in Kenya he is outta there
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The Us Citizen parent must have held citizenship for X amount of yrs. Snobamas mama wasn't old enough. That's why the question of Snobamas place of birth. Born in HI no big deal Born in Kenya he is outta there
Exactly.
Amazing too that now as this case gets closer that he admits to having dual citizenship :uhsure:
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What Zeus and CH said - the law at the time of Obama's birth has a specific age and time of residence within the USA requirements for a child to be granted a Natural Born American title. his mother did not meet the age/time within the US requirement. Neither did his father (obviously)
Anyway...
That takes the automatic Natural-Born title from him, So he absolutely needed to be born on US soil (country, military base, embassy, etc.) Otherwise he is a naturalized citizen, and ineligible for POTUS, even if he was naturalized since birth. As I said earlier, I gave up this investigation as a red-herring, and it could continue to be one that will of course be realigned into a racist attack once The Messiah produces the paperwork. It will be interesting to see how this unfolds. It will be even more interesting if Obama wins and then its discovered that the whole race was fraudulent.
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What Zeus and CH said - the law at the time of Obama's birth has a specific age and time of residence within the USA requirements for a child to be granted a Natural Born American title. his mother did not meet the age/time within the US requirement. Neither did his father (obviously)
Anyway...
That takes the automatic Natural-Born title from him, So he absolutely needed to be born on US soil (country, military base, embassy, etc.) Otherwise he is a naturalized citizen, and ineligible for POTUS, even if he was naturalized since birth. As I said earlier, I gave up this investigation as a red-herring, and it could continue to be one that will of course be realigned into a racist attack once The Messiah produces the paperwork. It will be interesting to see how this unfolds. It will be even more interesting if Obama wins and then its discovered that the whole race was fraudulent.
I too had given it up as a red herring.......................but it just seems to keep coming back. The fact that he now admits he had dual citizenship.............he never admitted that before. The fact that the judge didn't throw this straight out of court when filed........... :tinfoil:
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Dammit.......................next thing you know I'll start believing that a missle struck the Pentagon and Flight 93 was shot done.............DAMN YOU LOOSE CHANGE............DAMN YOU!!!!!!!! :lmao:
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I guess I don't understand why he would try to pass off a forgery as his own.
Did it list his race as caucasian?
What are the other reasons?
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I guess I don't understand why he would try to pass off a forgery as his own.
Did it list his race as caucasian?
What are the other reasons?
I don't know................Place of birth Kenya
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I don't know................Place of birth Kenya
That's what we'd hope to find.
Maybe his sex is listed as F? :thatsright:
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I guess I don't understand why he would try to pass off a forgery as his own.
Did it list his race as caucasian?
What are the other reasons?
My original thoughts on it was that his mom may have been in international waters at the time of his birth, and paperwork may have been completed once he and his mom made it into port at a nearby hospital - listing him as Hawaiian. If this is true it would explain the short form presented, the birth announcement found on microfilm in a local newspaper as well as reluctance to pull out the original birth cert. If he was born outside the USA, on a ship of foreign registry, This combined with the already known facts about his parents certainly muddy up Obama's Natural-Born status.
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My original thoughts on it was that his mom may have been in international waters at the time of his birth, and paperwork may have been completed once he and his mom made it into port at a nearby hospital - listing him as Hawaiian. If this is true it would explain the short form presented, the birth announcement found on microfilm in a local newspaper as well as reluctance to pull out the original birth cert. If he was born outside the USA, on a ship of foreign registry, This combined with the already known facts about his parents certainly muddy up Obama's Natural-Born status.
What a mess. It seems like the Clintons would have used this if there were anything to this story.
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There is also another claim that he became and indonesian citizen. When his father signed him up for public school, by law of the country, you must be a citizen. When he came back to the US, he was 10 and unable to apply for citizenship without parental consent, and his mother was still in Indonesia. Berg is alleging that he never re-applied for US citizenship, making him an illegal resident :lmao:
I read the court paperwork, it's very interesting indeed. :-)
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He was born in here, right? No one is saying his mom moved to Kenya for the birth...
Goofy.
So leagal eagles.... If he fails to perform discovery, does that mean the other side wins by default?
Maybe, and maybe not.
Link (http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.immigration/browse_thread/thread/d7583af2e9bc8ab8#)
Snipped from the above link.
The flap began in June when National Review's Jim Geraghty raised the
question and asked the Obama Campaign to release a copy of his birth
certificate in order to prove that he actually was born in the United
States. (Reports had previously surfaced claiming that Obama's Kenyan
grandmother, Sarah Hussein Obama, told reporters that Obama was not born
in Hawaii, but in Kenya. She reportedly told reporters that when her
son, Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. returned to Kenya he was accompanied by a
pregnant white wife who was close to term.)
Obama's family did not take to Stanley Ann Dunham Obama well according
to Sarah Obama because she was white. Shortly after she arrived in Kenya
Stanley Ann decided to return to Hawaii because she did not like how
Muslim men treated their wives in Kenya. However, because she was near
term the airline would not let her fly until after the birth of her
baby. Obama's grandmother said the baby was born in Kenya and that
shortly after Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. was born, Stanley Ann returned
to Hawaii.
Purportedly, when she arrived back in Hawaii, Stanley Anne registered
her son's live birth as an event which had just happened-in Hawaii. This
supposition is based on the appearance, shortly after Nov. 6, 2007, of a
Hawaiian birth certificate that was issued, as a duplicate birth
certificate, by the State of Hawaii to a US Senator who requested it.
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oh is this sweet
he better hope his "friends" in Chicago can do a credible job with forged documents
Maybe Dan Rather could give them a couple of tips on obvious pitfalls to avoid.
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There is also another claim that he became and indonesian citizen. When his father signed him up for public school, by law of the country, you must be a citizen. When he came back to the US, he was 10 and unable to apply for citizenship without parental consent, and his mother was still in Indonesia. Berg is alleging that he never re-applied for US citizenship, making him an illegal resident :lmao:
I read the court paperwork, it's very interesting indeed. :-)
No wonder the dems are nervous. Hope this has legs. How perfect---the dems running an illegal for pres. :-)
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No wonder the dems are nervous. Hope this has legs. How perfect---the dems running an illegal for pres. :-)
not that they would care....
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It all boils down to this: IF the Omessiah has nothing to hide, and is 'transparent' like he preaches...showing the birth certificate would stop all of this immediately. Being as he will not, and has hired attorneys to help cover his ass....makes it quite plain he has SOMETHING TO HIDE.
I speculate it is one or more of several things:
1) He was not born in the US
2) It lists his race as White (being born to a single white mother, this is not a stretch)
3) It lists religion as Muslim
4) It lists no father
5) His name is really Barry Dunham
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Is the MSM ever going to dig into this court case?
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Is the MSM ever going to dig into this court case?
:rotf: :lmao:
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It all boils down to this: IF the Omessiah has nothing to hide, and is 'transparent' like he preaches...showing the birth certificate would stop all of this immediately. Being as he will not, and has hired attorneys to help cover his ass....makes it quite plain he has SOMETHING TO HIDE.
I speculate it is one or more of several things:
1) He was not born in the US
2) It lists his race as White (being born to a single white mother, this is not a stretch)
3) It lists religion as Muslim
4) It lists no father
5) His name is really Barry Dunham
You know if he changed his name Barrack Hussein Obama then that alone makes him unfit to be president.
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Guys,
Please don't put any credence in this. The order at the link is NOT signed. It isn't an order it's an "exemplar", what the plaintiff is suggesting the judge should sign. Please note the recitation of plaintiff's standings, reasonable relief, relevant statutes and allegations. Judges don't need those when they sign orders; they have been re-provided by the plaintiff to remind the judge of his grounds.
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Guys,
Please don't put any credence in this. The order at the link is NOT signed. It isn't an order it's an "exemplar", what the plaintiff is suggesting the judge should sign. Please note the recitation of plaintiff's standings, reasonable relief, relevant statutes and allegations. Judges don't need those when they sign orders; they have been re-provided by the plaintiff to remind the judge of his grounds.
They usually sign one or the other, and he is going to sign one of them. Just waiting it out. :popcorn:
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They usually sign one or the other, and he is going to sign one of them. Just waiting it out. :popcorn:
Well, that's a far cry from what the thread title would lead us to believe.
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I would love to know how long can Obama not comply with the law before his ass is hauled off to jail for contempt of court.
I am beginning to think that the legal system is collapsing before our eyes.
As long as it takes to produce a forged AUTHENTIC birth certificate that is beyond reproach.
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As long as it takes to produce a forged AUTHENTIC birth certificate that is beyond reproach.
He has to have somebody in his campaign who provides fake IDs for his Illegal Alien constituency. Surely, it can't take him that long. If it'll fool the immigration/deportation courts, it has to be good enough for the US District Court in Pennsylvania.
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As long as it takes to produce a forged AUTHENTIC birth certificate that is beyond reproach.
Id say that it would be nearly impossible, as too much time has gone by. Paper weight, thickness and chemical composition would need to be taken into account, along with moisture and acid content. The way paper is made has changed a great deal since then, So, unless someone has an authentic unused sheet from that period, it would be nearly impossible. The same is true with ink.
Then it would need to be artificially aged.
Far too much work to forge an old document that will get heavily scrutinized since it was printed. The best Obama can hope for is a record-destroying fire, or more likely ,a past record destroying fire to blame it on. Just calling it "Lost" or a "well timed catastrophe" would just add fuel to the fire.
But we need to wait -- there is still no order, And I suspect there wont be one for at least a month and a half.
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Id say that it would be nearly impossible, as too much time has gone by. Paper weight, thickness and chemical composition would need to be taken into account, along with moisture and acid content. The way paper is made has changed a great deal since then, So, unless someone has an authentic unused sheet from that period, it would be nearly impossible. The same is true with ink.
Then it would need to be artificially aged.
Far too much work to forge an old document that will get heavily scrutinized since it was printed. The best Obama can hope for is a record-destroying fire, or more likely ,a past record destroying fire to blame it on. Just calling it "Lost" or a "well timed catastrophe" would just add fuel to the fire.
But we need to wait -- there is still no order, And I suspect there wont be one for at least a month and a half.
Too late for that..he stated it's in his "vault" :whatever:
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I for the life of me just can't see an upside to team Nobama dragging this out.
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Id say that it would be nearly impossible, as too much time has gone by. Paper weight, thickness and chemical composition would need to be taken into account, along with moisture and acid content. The way paper is made has changed a great deal since then, So, unless someone has an authentic unused sheet from that period, it would be nearly impossible. The same is true with ink.
Then it would need to be artificially aged.
Far too much work to forge an old document that will get heavily scrutinized since it was printed. The best Obama can hope for is a record-destroying fire, or more likely ,a past record destroying fire to blame it on. Just calling it "Lost" or a "well timed catastrophe" would just add fuel to the fire.
But we need to wait -- there is still no order, And I suspect there wont be one for at least a month and a half.
Too late for that..he stated it's in his "vault" :whatever:
Hmmm. A vault you say? In Chicago, I'm guessing....
Where's Jerry Rivers when you need him? :thatsright:
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I for the life of me just can't see an upside to team Nobama dragging this out.
Unless the truth is worse. :-)
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Unless the truth is worse. :-)
That's just it. I can imagine a downside but no upside. Makes it worse to drag out shoots the hell out of whoops would you look at thet and put's it smack dab in the realm of Fraud.
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I for the life of me just can't see an upside to team Nobama dragging this out.
Oh there is -- when he reluctantly pulls out a perfectly acceptable document, he cries "racist witch-hunt" and gets more votes out of it.
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Oh there is -- when he reluctantly pulls out a perfectly acceptable document, he cries "racist witch-hunt" and gets more votes out of it.
Naw actually I think that would piss more folks off . To Petty & contrived an action for someone aspiring to be elected to the highest office in the nation. The folks to cop a nut about it are already in the bag for Nobama.
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Oh there is -- when he reluctantly pulls out a perfectly acceptable document, he cries "racist witch-hunt" and gets more votes out of it.
Except - once again - we get back to the fact that it's a HILLARY(2012) supporter that's launched this, and not a "racist rethug". His making that cry - again - would further solidify the McCain voter block who're tired of being called racists everytime they fart. It might shake some PUMAs off the fence but he has no idea where those dislodged PUMAs would fall - they could just as readily fall into the "tired of being called a racist" McCain camp as they could his. All it seems it would really do is give the mindless masses already supporting him a little reach around as they come down the final stretch.
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Be cool to see his Indonesian citizenship papers. If they exist.