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Federal judge orders Nobama to produce birth cert. in 3 days
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Re: Federal judge orders Nobama to produce birth cert. in 3 days
« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2008, 06:42:25 PM »
Uh oh....  :fuelfire:

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UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
FOR THE EASTERN DISTRICT OF PENNSYLVANIA

PHILIP J. BERG, ESQUIRE, Plaintiff :

vs. BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA, ET AL, Defendants :

:CIVIL ACTION NO: 08-cv- 04083

ORDER ON DEFENDANT’S, BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA AND THE DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE’S MOTION TO DISMISS PLAINTIFF’S COMPLAINT PURSUANT TO RULE 12(b)(1) and 12(b)(6)

THIS CAUSE came before the United States District Court Judge, Honorable R. Barclay Surrick on Defendant’s Barack Hussein Obama and the Democratic National Committee’s Motion to Dismiss. Having reviewed the Motion and Plaintiff’s Opposition to said Motion and for good cause shown, it is hereby ORDERED that the Motion to Dismiss pursuant to F.R.C.P. 12(b)(1) and 12(b)(6) is DENIED. It is further ORDER of this Court that the following discovery is to be turned over to Plaintiff within three (3) days:

1. Obama’s “vault” version (certified copy of his “original” long version) Birth Certificate; and
2. A certified copy of Obama’s Certification of Citizenship;
3. A Certified copy of Obama’s Oath of Allegiance.

IT IS SO ORDERED
Dated: September 29, 2008

Hon. R. Barclay Surrick
United States District Court Judge
For the Eastern District of PA
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Re: Federal judge orders Nobama to produce birth cert. in 3 days
« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2008, 06:47:03 PM »
Very interesting... :devious:

"The Obama camp quickly reacted, not by producing the certificate, but by filing a motion to dismiss….

And then, on Obama’s own website, he now admits to being a US/Kenya dual national until his 18th birthday."

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Re: Federal judge orders Nobama to produce birth cert. in 3 days
« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2008, 06:51:28 PM »
Curiouser and Curiouser   :popcorn:
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Re: Federal judge orders Nobama to produce birth cert. in 3 days
« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2008, 06:52:57 PM »
Could this be the October surprise??

No way, we could not be that fortunate...but if this is true...and he is not even a native born USA citizen..... :rotf: :rotf: :rotf:
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Re: Federal judge orders Nobama to produce birth cert. in 3 days
« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2008, 06:59:16 PM »
I would love to know how long can Obama not comply with the law before his ass is hauled off to jail for contempt of court.

I am beginning to think that the legal system is collapsing before our eyes.
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Re: Federal judge orders Nobama to produce birth cert. in 3 days
« Reply #6 on: October 03, 2008, 07:01:41 PM »
Quote from: Hawkgirl on October 03, 2008, 06:47:03 PM
Very interesting... :devious:

"The Obama camp quickly reacted, not by producing the certificate, but by filing a motion to dismiss….

And then, on Obama’s own website, he now admits to being a US/Kenya dual national until his 18th birthday."



That's nothing really. He could have been born in Aimes, Iowa of US/Kenyan parents and held dual citizenship. Parents citizenship not a question. Barry's place of birth is a question though primarily because of the age of his US citizen mother at the time.
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Re: Federal judge orders Nobama to produce birth cert. in 3 days
« Reply #7 on: October 03, 2008, 08:07:18 PM »
oh is this sweet

he better hope his "friends" in Chicago can do a credible job with forged documents
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Re: Federal judge orders Nobama to produce birth cert. in 3 days
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Re: Federal judge orders Nobama to produce birth cert. in 3 days
« Reply #9 on: October 03, 2008, 09:12:23 PM »
 :popcorn:

I looked into the birth cert issue some months back and dropped it as a red-herring pursuit. If there is meat to this latest flap, it would be the mother of all October surprises.

For fun - lets consider this - Lets assume that Obama is removed re: ineligible to run as POTUS -- what does The Constitution say ?

I have no idea what would happen at this point -
 
Would the race continue as McCain vs Obama with Biden sliding into POTUS if elected (probably about a 5% of victory if this were true.. but for the sake of this exercise.. )  ?

Would it be McCain vs minor parties ?

Would the DNC be compelled to rewrite the ticket ?
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Re: Federal judge orders Nobama to produce birth cert. in 3 days
« Reply #10 on: October 03, 2008, 09:24:40 PM »
Hillary back in play?  :popcorn: :popcorn:
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Re: Federal judge orders Nobama to produce birth cert. in 3 days
« Reply #11 on: October 03, 2008, 09:33:13 PM »
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My fellow Americans, there is nothing audacious about hope. Hope is what makes people buy lottery tickets instead of paying the bills. Hope is for the old gals feeding the slots in Atlantic City. It destroys the inner-city kid who quits school because he hopes he'll be a world-famous recording artist.

What's the difference between Sarah Palin and Barack Obama?

One is a well turned-out, good-looking, and let's be honest, pretty sexy piece of eye-candy.

The other kills her own food.

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Re: Federal judge orders Nobama to produce birth cert. in 3 days
« Reply #12 on: October 03, 2008, 09:35:10 PM »
Berg JUST HAPPENS TO BE a hillary supporter... :fuelfire:
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Re: Federal judge orders Nobama to produce birth cert. in 3 days
« Reply #13 on: October 03, 2008, 09:42:41 PM »
I think he is not releasing it because his race is listed as caucasian on his birth certificate.   
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Re: Federal judge orders Nobama to produce birth cert. in 3 days
« Reply #14 on: October 03, 2008, 09:46:52 PM »
If this turns out to be true .Barrys run would be the fastest one to sink in U.S. History.
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Re: Federal judge orders Nobama to produce birth cert. in 3 days
« Reply #15 on: October 03, 2008, 09:48:39 PM »
Quote from: formerlurker on October 03, 2008, 09:42:41 PM
I think he is not releasing it because his race is listed as caucasian on his birth certificate.   


Well in that case he could be the 2nd white guy claiming to be black to run for Prez.  :whatever:
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Re: Federal judge orders Nobama to produce birth cert. in 3 days
« Reply #16 on: October 03, 2008, 09:53:39 PM »
Age of his mother? If it IS/WAS his "mother"! :lmao: :tongue: :naughty:
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Re: Federal judge orders Nobama to produce birth cert. in 3 days
« Reply #17 on: October 03, 2008, 10:23:20 PM »
I wasn't aware that US/Kenyan dual citizenship was possible.  My wife is from Kenya, just a green card holder at the moment, and as far as we know, she has to make an either or decision regarding that.  She's been here long enough to become a citizen now, but she just has to study all the stuff for the test and then we have to fork over the money. 

Incidentally, and maybe I shouldn't admit this around here, she's the same tribe as Obama's father, the Luo tribe.  All the Luo people I know in the US with the exception of my wife are huge Obama fans, for no other reason than he's their tribe.  Policy doesn't matter at all.  "He's one of us." 

But man, wouldn't it be something if there was any truth to all this stuff, or if at least his reluctance to produce documents could be used effectively?
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Re: Federal judge orders Nobama to produce birth cert. in 3 days
« Reply #18 on: October 03, 2008, 10:30:08 PM »
Quote from: CharlesD on October 03, 2008, 10:23:20 PM
I wasn't aware that US/Kenyan dual citizenship was possible.  My wife is from Kenya, just a green card holder at the moment, and as far as we know, she has to make an either or decision regarding that.  She's been here long enough to become a citizen now, but she just has to study all the stuff for the test and then we have to fork over the money. 

Incidentally, and maybe I shouldn't admit this around here, she's the same tribe as Obama's father, the Luo tribe.  All the Luo people I know in the US with the exception of my wife are huge Obama fans, for no other reason than he's their tribe.  Policy doesn't matter at all.  "He's one of us." 

But man, wouldn't it be something if there was any truth to all this stuff, or if at least his reluctance to produce documents could be used effectively?


I don't believe your wife could do this via marriage.  Its a mother/father sort of thing or as is the case with my niece's husband who is Bahamian/English as his folks were living in the Bahamas when he was born but are English.  Local l;aws tend to govern it in conjunction with originating country.

But the law at the time, and this matters, would not allow for it as BHOs mother was 17 which precluded her being able to offer him her citizenship.  The laws changed later on so the timing was essential to this case.

It will be interesting to see if he can produce bona fide paperwork.
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My fellow Americans, there is nothing audacious about hope. Hope is what makes people buy lottery tickets instead of paying the bills. Hope is for the old gals feeding the slots in Atlantic City. It destroys the inner-city kid who quits school because he hopes he'll be a world-famous recording artist.

What's the difference between Sarah Palin and Barack Obama?

One is a well turned-out, good-looking, and let's be honest, pretty sexy piece of eye-candy.

The other kills her own food.

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Re: Federal judge orders Nobama to produce birth cert. in 3 days
« Reply #19 on: October 03, 2008, 11:07:01 PM »
Quote from: Jim on October 03, 2008, 10:30:08 PM
Quote from: CharlesD on October 03, 2008, 10:23:20 PM
I wasn't aware that US/Kenyan dual citizenship was possible.  My wife is from Kenya, just a green card holder at the moment, and as far as we know, she has to make an either or decision regarding that.  She's been here long enough to become a citizen now, but she just has to study all the stuff for the test and then we have to fork over the money. 

Incidentally, and maybe I shouldn't admit this around here, she's the same tribe as Obama's father, the Luo tribe.  All the Luo people I know in the US with the exception of my wife are huge Obama fans, for no other reason than he's their tribe.  Policy doesn't matter at all.  "He's one of us." 

But man, wouldn't it be something if there was any truth to all this stuff, or if at least his reluctance to produce documents could be used effectively?


I don't believe your wife could do this via marriage.  Its a mother/father sort of thing or as is the case with my niece's husband who is Bahamian/English as his folks were living in the Bahamas when he was born but are English.  Local l;aws tend to govern it in conjunction with originating country.

But the law at the time, and this matters, would not allow for it as BHOs mother was 17 which precluded her being able to offer him her citizenship.  The laws changed later on so the timing was essential to this case.

It will be interesting to see if he can produce bona fide paperwork.
   



Nobama has two choices.  Produce the documents or escalate the legal fight. 

If he appeals, where would it go next and how much time might he gain?  How far would he be willing to go?

If it has merit, this will replace Nobama with Hillary?
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Re: Federal judge orders Nobama to produce birth cert. in 3 days
« Reply #20 on: October 03, 2008, 11:28:17 PM »
Quote from: Digger on October 03, 2008, 11:07:01 PM
Quote from: Jim on October 03, 2008, 10:30:08 PM
Quote from: CharlesD on October 03, 2008, 10:23:20 PM
I wasn't aware that US/Kenyan dual citizenship was possible.  My wife is from Kenya, just a green card holder at the moment, and as far as we know, she has to make an either or decision regarding that.  She's been here long enough to become a citizen now, but she just has to study all the stuff for the test and then we have to fork over the money. 

Incidentally, and maybe I shouldn't admit this around here, she's the same tribe as Obama's father, the Luo tribe.  All the Luo people I know in the US with the exception of my wife are huge Obama fans, for no other reason than he's their tribe.  Policy doesn't matter at all.  "He's one of us." 

But man, wouldn't it be something if there was any truth to all this stuff, or if at least his reluctance to produce documents could be used effectively?


I don't believe your wife could do this via marriage.  Its a mother/father sort of thing or as is the case with my niece's husband who is Bahamian/English as his folks were living in the Bahamas when he was born but are English.  Local l;aws tend to govern it in conjunction with originating country.

But the law at the time, and this matters, would not allow for it as BHOs mother was 17 which precluded her being able to offer him her citizenship.  The laws changed later on so the timing was essential to this case.

It will be interesting to see if he can produce bona fide paperwork.
   



Nobama has two choices.  Produce the documents or escalate the legal fight. 

If he appeals, where would it go next and how much time might he gain?  How far would he be willing to go?

If it has merit, this will replace Nobama with Hillary?



Timing is everything I guess, right up until the electors vote the candidate can be swapped out.  After that, maybe its just like Miss America... in the event the winner cannot serve, first runner up assumes ?

Not sure they have a plan for this.

I'm pretty sure that the DNC won't leave it to chance.
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My fellow Americans, there is nothing audacious about hope. Hope is what makes people buy lottery tickets instead of paying the bills. Hope is for the old gals feeding the slots in Atlantic City. It destroys the inner-city kid who quits school because he hopes he'll be a world-famous recording artist.

What's the difference between Sarah Palin and Barack Obama?

One is a well turned-out, good-looking, and let's be honest, pretty sexy piece of eye-candy.

The other kills her own food.

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Re: Federal judge orders Nobama to produce birth cert. in 3 days
« Reply #21 on: October 03, 2008, 11:29:24 PM »
I read most of the court paperwork and Berg has a very intriguing case against Obama.  It gets very specific...

As for his race status the fraudulent birth certificate on his website do not list his race. :evillaugh:  Only his mother and father's.
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Re: Federal judge orders Nobama to produce birth cert. in 3 days
« Reply #22 on: October 04, 2008, 03:28:39 AM »
Quote from: DixieBelle on October 03, 2008, 09:24:40 PM
Hillary back in play?  :popcorn: :popcorn:

I've said it before and I'll say it again....I ain't counting Hillary out until the last vote is counted in November.

...and furthermore. I wouldn't put it past Dimocrats to have known all along he wasn't a US citizen with the hope of slipping Hillary in at the last minute to ride a sudden wave of support into Washington.
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Re: Federal judge orders Nobama to produce birth cert. in 3 days
« Reply #23 on: October 04, 2008, 05:28:24 AM »
Quote from: JohnnyReb on October 04, 2008, 03:28:39 AM
I've said it before and I'll say it again....I ain't counting Hillary out until the last vote is counted in November.

...and furthermore. I wouldn't put it past Dimocrats to have known all along he wasn't a US citizen with the hope of slipping Hillary in at the last minute to ride a sudden wave of support into Washington.

I think that it would be too late to do so at this point - but this would certainly assure that Hillary is the frontrunner for 2012. Im also reasonably certain that this mess would cost Obama his Senate seat, and his personal freedoms as he would get to chillax at Club Fed for a couple of years.
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Re: Federal judge orders Nobama to produce birth cert. in 3 days
« Reply #24 on: October 04, 2008, 06:07:03 AM »
Quote from: miskie on October 03, 2008, 09:12:23 PM
For fun - lets consider this - Lets assume that Obama is removed re: ineligible to run as POTUS -- what does The Constitution say ?
Would the race continue as McCain vs Obama with Biden sliding into POTUS if elected (probably about a 5% of victory if this were true.. but for the sake of this exercise.. )  ?
Would it be McCain vs minor parties ?
Would the DNC be compelled to rewrite the ticket ?
Political Parties are private enterprises. They, meaning the Democrats, could write whatever rules they might need at the time.
But suddenly we look pretty smart for bringing up his background during the campaign now don't we?
It's not our fault the Dems didn't vet their candidate properly!  :-)
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