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Re: Federal judge orders Nobama to produce birth cert. in 3 days
« Reply #25 on: October 04, 2008, 06:55:53 AM »
Quote from: Zeus on October 03, 2008, 09:48:39 PM
Well in that case he could be the 2nd white guy claiming to be black to run for Prez.  :whatever:


Being listed as caucasian wouldn't bode well with certain constituents.
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Re: Federal judge orders Nobama to produce birth cert. in 3 days
« Reply #26 on: October 04, 2008, 08:23:03 AM »
regardless of what, if anything, is on his birth certificate, he's looking guilty of something by NOT producing it...not that it matters to his little minions.
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Re: Federal judge orders Nobama to produce birth cert. in 3 days
« Reply #27 on: October 04, 2008, 08:27:06 AM »
He was born in here, right?  No one is saying his mom moved to Kenya for the birth...


Goofy.


So leagal eagles.... If he fails to perform discovery, does that mean the other side wins by default?
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Re: Federal judge orders Nobama to produce birth cert. in 3 days
« Reply #28 on: October 04, 2008, 08:40:09 AM »
No, but Obama CAN be held in contempt.  Basically, unless Obama appeals the ruling, and judging by the date (last week) he's done so very quietly.  Nothing good for him can come of making an issue or publicly fighting this.

If (and it's a HUGE if) he's not eligible to run for POTUS, more than likely the DNC will have to go back to the drawing board and draft a presidential candidate.  Logic would dictate that they go with Hillary since she did have the second-most delegates, but it's not a certainty.  They could go with Biden, they could do whatever the hell they wanted, but bottom line, with 31 days left before the election, any loss on the ticket now pretty much dooms them regardless of who replaces Obama.

But this is all moot--an update from Thursday:

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UPDATE:  Correction…  It seems that while Obama really has admitted dual citizenship, the order quoted above has not yet been signed and the motion to dismiss has been not yet been denied.
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Re: Federal judge orders Nobama to produce birth cert. in 3 days
« Reply #29 on: October 04, 2008, 08:45:06 AM »
IF....Obama gets elected, but found not qualified to be President (pun intended)....and Biden steps in as President.....does that mean that Pelosi steps in as VP?

Or does the Speaker only step directly to the Presidency if both the Pres and VP are incapacitated or replaced and the new Pres gets to pick his own VP?
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Re: Federal judge orders Nobama to produce birth cert. in 3 days
« Reply #30 on: October 04, 2008, 08:50:26 AM »
Quote from: debk on October 04, 2008, 08:45:06 AM
IF....Obama gets elected, but found not qualified to be President (pun intended)....and Biden steps in as President.....does that mean that Pelosi steps in as VP?

Or does the Speaker only step directly to the Presidency if both the Pres and VP are incapacitated or replaced and the new Pres gets to pick his own VP?

No, they'd go through a process to nominate and confirm another VP.  San Fran Nan only becomes president if the pres and VP are incapacitated or unreachable.  God help us if we have another Al Haig, "I'm in charge here" moment.
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Re: Federal judge orders Nobama to produce birth cert. in 3 days
« Reply #31 on: October 04, 2008, 09:31:09 AM »
Still, he's a thug...I hope they throw his ass in jail for contempt of court. :lmao: It would be a great lead story photo... :evillaugh:
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Re: Federal judge orders Nobama to produce birth cert. in 3 days
« Reply #32 on: October 04, 2008, 09:32:13 AM »
Maybe it's me, but I don't think this'll end well. Obama could basically shoot somebody and still receive 45 percent of the vote. 
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Re: Federal judge orders Nobama to produce birth cert. in 3 days
« Reply #33 on: October 04, 2008, 09:41:59 AM »
Quote from: Splashdown on October 04, 2008, 09:32:13 AM
Maybe it's me, but I don't think this'll end well. Obama could basically shoot somebody and still receive 45 percent of the vote. 

While I think this issue should be pursued to the extent possible, I think the counter-attack needs to be focused on (1) him being unfit to lead as CinC and (2) his policy of raising taxes on business is absurd in a weak economy. We need a one-two knockout, let Saracuda handle #1 and McCain address #2.
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Re: Federal judge orders Nobama to produce birth cert. in 3 days
« Reply #34 on: October 04, 2008, 10:36:20 AM »
It isn't signed by the judge.

I don't think this means much. I think it's just a motion by the plaintiff for what he wants the judge to say.
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Re: Federal judge orders Nobama to produce birth cert. in 3 days
« Reply #35 on: October 04, 2008, 07:39:46 PM »
Quote from: Baruch Menachem on October 04, 2008, 08:27:06 AM
He was born in here, right?  No one is saying his mom moved to Kenya for the birth...

they are saying she was in Kenya while preggers and waited a little too long and was not permitted to fly out for the delivery.  there is some evidence to suggest this.


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Goofy.

kinda harsh, I think he's painfully naive.


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So leagal eagles.... If he fails to perform discovery, does that mean the other side wins by default?

if he can't prove he's an American, he can't run.  well, perhaps more accurate to say he can't serve.  they were supposed to get this figured out before now.
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Re: Federal judge orders Nobama to produce birth cert. in 3 days
« Reply #36 on: October 05, 2008, 02:25:52 PM »
Quote from: Jim on October 04, 2008, 07:39:46 PM
if he can't prove he's an American, he can't run.  well, perhaps more accurate to say he can't serve.  they were supposed to get this figured out before now.

As far as I know, we haven't dealt with this before.  Up until now, everyone who's run for president hasn't been stupid enough to conceal their true nationality.  No one from any major party anyway.
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Re: Federal judge orders Nobama to produce birth cert. in 3 days
« Reply #37 on: October 05, 2008, 02:53:43 PM »
As long as ONE parent was a natural born USA American, it does not matter where he/she/it was born. That person is a Natural Born American too. So, unless his Mother had renounced her citizenship AND he was indeed born offshore, he is an American too (despite his socialist / collectivest politics) and may run.
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Re: Federal judge orders Nobama to produce birth cert. in 3 days
« Reply #38 on: October 05, 2008, 02:58:23 PM »
Quote from: Peter3_1 on October 05, 2008, 02:53:43 PM
As long as ONE parent was a natural born USA American, it does not matter where he/she/it was born. That person is a Natural Born American too. So, unless his Mother had renounced her citizenship AND he was indeed born offshore, he is an American too (despite his socialist / collectivest politics) and may run.

The Us Citizen parent must have held citizenship for X amount of yrs. Snobamas mama wasn't old enough. That's why the question of Snobamas place of birth. Born in HI no big deal Born in Kenya he is outta there
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Re: Federal judge orders Nobama to produce birth cert. in 3 days
« Reply #39 on: October 05, 2008, 03:11:49 PM »
Quote from: Zeus on October 05, 2008, 02:58:23 PM
The Us Citizen parent must have held citizenship for X amount of yrs. Snobamas mama wasn't old enough. That's why the question of Snobamas place of birth. Born in HI no big deal Born in Kenya he is outta there

Exactly.

Amazing too that now as this case gets closer that he admits to having dual citizenship  :uhsure:
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Re: Federal judge orders Nobama to produce birth cert. in 3 days
« Reply #40 on: October 05, 2008, 04:42:23 PM »
What Zeus and CH said - the law at the time of Obama's birth has a specific age and time of residence within the USA requirements for a child to be granted a Natural Born American title. his mother did not meet the age/time within the US requirement. Neither did his father (obviously)

Anyway...

That takes the automatic Natural-Born title from him, So he absolutely needed to be born on US soil (country, military base, embassy, etc.) Otherwise he is a naturalized citizen, and ineligible for POTUS, even if he was naturalized since birth. As I said earlier, I gave up this investigation as a red-herring, and it could continue to be one that will of course be realigned into a racist attack once The Messiah produces the paperwork. It will be interesting to see how this unfolds. It will be even more interesting if Obama wins and then its discovered that the whole race was fraudulent.   
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Re: Federal judge orders Nobama to produce birth cert. in 3 days
« Reply #41 on: October 05, 2008, 05:17:35 PM »
Quote from: miskie on October 05, 2008, 04:42:23 PM
What Zeus and CH said - the law at the time of Obama's birth has a specific age and time of residence within the USA requirements for a child to be granted a Natural Born American title. his mother did not meet the age/time within the US requirement. Neither did his father (obviously)

Anyway...

That takes the automatic Natural-Born title from him, So he absolutely needed to be born on US soil (country, military base, embassy, etc.) Otherwise he is a naturalized citizen, and ineligible for POTUS, even if he was naturalized since birth. As I said earlier, I gave up this investigation as a red-herring, and it could continue to be one that will of course be realigned into a racist attack once The Messiah produces the paperwork. It will be interesting to see how this unfolds. It will be even more interesting if Obama wins and then its discovered that the whole race was fraudulent.   

I too had given it up as a red herring.......................but it just seems to keep coming back. The fact that he now admits he had dual citizenship.............he never admitted that before. The fact that the judge didn't throw this straight out of court when filed........... :tinfoil:

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Re: Federal judge orders Nobama to produce birth cert. in 3 days
« Reply #42 on: October 05, 2008, 09:27:55 PM »
I guess I don't understand why he would try to pass off a forgery as his own.

Did it list his race as caucasian?

What are the other reasons?
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Re: Federal judge orders Nobama to produce birth cert. in 3 days
« Reply #43 on: October 05, 2008, 09:32:43 PM »
Quote from: Schadenfreude on October 05, 2008, 09:27:55 PM
I guess I don't understand why he would try to pass off a forgery as his own.

Did it list his race as caucasian?

What are the other reasons?

I don't know................Place of birth Kenya
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Re: Federal judge orders Nobama to produce birth cert. in 3 days
« Reply #44 on: October 05, 2008, 09:35:09 PM »
Quote from: Crazy Horse on October 05, 2008, 09:32:43 PM
I don't know................Place of birth Kenya

That's what we'd hope to find.

Maybe his sex is listed as F?  :thatsright:
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Re: Federal judge orders Nobama to produce birth cert. in 3 days
« Reply #45 on: October 05, 2008, 09:45:21 PM »
Quote from: Schadenfreude on October 05, 2008, 09:27:55 PM
I guess I don't understand why he would try to pass off a forgery as his own.

Did it list his race as caucasian?

What are the other reasons?

My original thoughts on it was that his mom may have been in international waters at the time of his birth, and paperwork may have been completed once he and his mom made it into port at a nearby hospital - listing him as Hawaiian. If this is true it would explain the short form presented, the birth announcement found on microfilm in a local newspaper as well as reluctance to pull out the original birth cert. If he was born outside the USA, on a ship of foreign registry, This combined with the already known facts about his parents certainly muddy up Obama's Natural-Born status.
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Re: Federal judge orders Nobama to produce birth cert. in 3 days
« Reply #46 on: October 05, 2008, 10:11:04 PM »
Quote from: miskie on October 05, 2008, 09:45:21 PM
My original thoughts on it was that his mom may have been in international waters at the time of his birth, and paperwork may have been completed once he and his mom made it into port at a nearby hospital - listing him as Hawaiian. If this is true it would explain the short form presented, the birth announcement found on microfilm in a local newspaper as well as reluctance to pull out the original birth cert. If he was born outside the USA, on a ship of foreign registry, This combined with the already known facts about his parents certainly muddy up Obama's Natural-Born status.

What a mess. It seems like the Clintons would have used this if there were anything to this story.
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Re: Federal judge orders Nobama to produce birth cert. in 3 days
« Reply #47 on: October 05, 2008, 11:30:47 PM »
There is also another claim that he became and indonesian citizen.  When his father signed him up for public school, by law of the country, you must be a citizen.  When he came back to the US, he was 10 and unable to apply for citizenship without parental consent, and his mother was still in Indonesia.  Berg is alleging that he never re-applied for US citizenship, making him an illegal resident :lmao:

I read the court paperwork, it's very interesting indeed. :-)
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Re: Federal judge orders Nobama to produce birth cert. in 3 days
« Reply #48 on: October 06, 2008, 12:37:49 AM »
Quote from: Baruch Menachem on October 04, 2008, 08:27:06 AM
He was born in here, right?  No one is saying his mom moved to Kenya for the birth...


Goofy.


So leagal eagles.... If he fails to perform discovery, does that mean the other side wins by default?
Maybe, and maybe not.

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The flap began in June when National Review's Jim Geraghty raised the
question and asked the Obama Campaign to release a copy of his birth
certificate in order to prove that he actually was born in the United
States. (Reports had previously surfaced claiming that Obama's Kenyan
grandmother, Sarah Hussein Obama, told reporters that Obama was not born
in Hawaii, but in Kenya. She reportedly told reporters that when her
son, Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. returned to Kenya he was accompanied by a
pregnant white wife who was close to term.)


Obama's family did not take to Stanley Ann Dunham Obama well according
to Sarah Obama because she was white. Shortly after she arrived in Kenya
Stanley Ann decided to return to Hawaii because she did not like how
Muslim men treated their wives in Kenya. However, because she was near
term the airline would not let her fly until after the birth of her
baby. Obama's grandmother said the baby was born in Kenya and that
shortly after Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. was born, Stanley Ann returned
to Hawaii.


Purportedly, when she arrived back in Hawaii, Stanley Anne registered
her son's live birth as an event which had just happened-in Hawaii. This
supposition is based on the appearance, shortly after Nov. 6, 2007, of a
Hawaiian birth certificate that was issued, as a duplicate birth
certificate, by the State of Hawaii to a US Senator who requested it.
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Re: Federal judge orders Nobama to produce birth cert. in 3 days
« Reply #49 on: October 06, 2008, 08:51:46 AM »
Quote from: Jim on October 03, 2008, 08:07:18 PM
oh is this sweet

he better hope his "friends" in Chicago can do a credible job with forged documents

Maybe Dan Rather could give them a couple of tips on obvious pitfalls to avoid.
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