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Current Events => Archives => Politics => Election 2008 => Topic started by: Wretched Excess on September 26, 2008, 02:03:53 PM
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Neither has been a particularly distinguished debater. McCain has a blunt and straightforward style; Obama can be much more cool and diffident. McCain's reputation for being easily angered can work against him, while Obama will have to fight a tendency to sound too nuanced and professorial.
I got the above quote from here: The Debate (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080926/ts_nm/us_usa_politics_debate_scenariosnews;_ylt=Ahi0tZcbO_Hj72O393YQmmJsnwcF)
Maybe I've been seeing a different Obama than the "journalist", but the Obama I've been seeing tends to sound somewhat like an idiot when without a teleprompter instead of "too nuanced and professorial". Is this just another case of media bias or have I missed something about Obama?
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Obama's performance at SaddleSore was like an 0-16 football team. He didn't do anything right. Offense, Defense and Special Teams.
He can't do any worse, so he'll be seen as "doing better", which is the same as going from 0-16 to 3-13.
An improvement, but still no playoffs and certainly no Super Bowl. That just gets your coach fired.
John McCain is quite the opposite. He went 16-0 so any little thing will be seen as a loss. Going 12-4 after a perfect season is strong but it will be seen as a disappointment.
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So far Obama has demonstrated that he has a bitch of a time saying anything that actually makes sense when he is speaking off-script, and he has a ponderously over-intellectualized way of delivering the gibberish he eventually does manage to choke out.
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I think I am going to turn this into the live debate thread . . . it's a pretty good start.
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the drinking words/phrases will be . . . . .
"aaaaaaaaaaaaaand" (that elongated "aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnd" is just -ing annoying)
"my sense is . . . "
"understand that . . . "
any combination of "bush", "mccain", "failed", and "policies" in the same sentence
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Obama has a short fuse also.
Dang, it's going to be good. :popcorn:
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I think I am going to turn this into the live debate thread . . . it's a pretty good start.
Well, what time does it start?
No television here, remember.
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I think I am going to turn this into the live debate thread . . . it's a pretty good start.
Well, what time does it start?
No television here, remember.
9PM eastern, I believe. I probably need to put that in the thread title . . . .
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Thanks, sir.
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Well remember, both candidates know the questions and have prepared answers...the only off the cuff responses will be when they are allowed to respond to eachother. still may be worthwhile.
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Well remember, both candidates know the questions and have prepared answers...the only off the cuff responses will be when they are allowed to respond to eachother. still may be worthwhile.
I'm willing to put up a month's pay to hear McCain say: "Did that insanely stupid answer just come from YOUR ****in' cryhole?!? How the hell am I supposed to respond to that?!?!"
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the drinking words/phrases will be . . . . .
"aaaaaaaaaaaaaand" (that elongated "aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnd" is just -ing annoying)
"my sense is . . . "
"understand that . . . "
any combination of "bush", "mccain", "failed", and "policies" in the same sentence
We'll be trashed by 9:15.
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the drinking words/phrases will be . . . . .
"aaaaaaaaaaaaaand" (that elongated "aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnd" is just -ing annoying)
"my sense is . . . "
"understand that . . . "
any combination of "bush", "mccain", "failed", and "policies" in the same sentence
We'll be trashed by 9:15.
:rotf: :cheersmate:
I'm at work or I'd do a shot everytime Barrack stutters "Uhh"
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oh, and bonus H5's for the person that comes closest to guessing the time into the debate when someone makes the first reference to ole miss, segregation, and the first african american candidate for president in history.
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oh, and bonus H5's for the person that comes closest to guessing the time into the debate when someone makes the first reference to ole miss, segregation, and the first african american candidate for president in history.
Dude, I'm so winning that one. :-)
http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,11016.msg136581
Okay, wouldn't be funny if someone yells -
Are you ready? Hell yes! Damn Right!
Hotty Toddy, Gosh almighty
Who in the hell are we - Hey
Flim Flam, Bim Bam
Ole Miss By Damn!
:lmao:
Now, I got that out of my system. I've been wanting to yell that all week.
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oh, and bonus H5's for the person that comes closest to guessing the time into the debate when someone makes the first reference to ole miss, segregation, and the first african american candidate for president in history.
I say within two minutes in his opening remarks IF opening remarks are allowed. If not, during the answer to the first question.
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"Islam is a Religion of Peace" will come out of Obama's mouth at least once throughout the debate. Anyone care to bet me a jellybean? :-)
Maybe even a gaffe referring himself as mooslim.
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oh, and bonus H5's for the person that comes closest to guessing the time into the debate when someone makes the first reference to ole miss, segregation, and the first african american candidate for president in history.
Dude, I'm so winning that one. :-)
http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,11016.msg136581
Okay, wouldn't be funny if someone yells -
Are you ready? Hell yes! Damn Right!
Hotty Toddy, Gosh almighty
Who in the hell are we - Hey
Flim Flam, Bim Bam
Ole Miss By Damn!
:lmao:
Now, I got that out of my system. I've been wanting to yell that all week.
back in the days when ole miss and southern miss played, they would print up 10,000 gold t-shirts with "ole miss kiss this" printed in a big arrow on the back pointing to the wearer's butt.
it was hilarious when I was 22 :-)
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^LOL!
So does anyone think teh Ooooobama will go for broke and make some controversial racial comment about the South?
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^LOL!
So does anyone think teh Ooooobama will go for broke and make some controversial racial comment about the South?
The BarackStar! is playing to not lose. fortunately, that is like a deep zone defense in football. it's pretty easy to score against it.
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oh, and bonus H5's for the person that comes closest to guessing the time into the debate when someone makes the first reference to ole miss, segregation, and the first african american candidate for president in history.
I suspect about a minute in , during opening comments by the moderator, how "we have come so far". Maybe even earlier by a news anchor.
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oh, and bonus H5's for the person that comes closest to guessing the time into the debate when someone makes the first reference to ole miss, segregation, and the first african american candidate for president in history.
I suspect about a minute in , during opening comments by the moderator, how "we have come so far". Maybe even earlier by a news anchor.
that is what I was thinking, too. I think you are the first one to pick the moderator.
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Supposedly, the Obamessiah will try to make some comments blaming McCain for the economic mess, to keep McCain on the defensive. I tend to think that McCain will bring up the $105,000+ that Obama got from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac quickly, and put the Obamessiah on his heels.
Hugh Hewitt has a thread on his blog which tries to establish an over/under for the times Obama says "Ummm . . ." or "You know," or 'Aaah," or "And." Don't quite know what has been established.
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Supposedly, the Obamessiah will try to make some comments blaming McCain for the economic mess, to keep McCain on the defensive. I tend to think that McCain will bring up the $105,000+ that Obama got from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac quickly, and put the Obamessiah on his heels.
Hugh Hewitt has a thread on his blog which tries to establish an over/under for the times Obama says "Ummm . . ." or "You know," or 'Aaah," or "And." Don't quite know what has been established.
I should make those drinking words. :uhsure:
I am hearing all over the place that obama is going to try to set mccain off, a la the court scene in A Few Good Men. :whatever:
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http://www.cnn.com/audio/radio/cnntv.html
Live audio feed for the peole who can't see their TV's from the computer (like me). This came in very usefull during Saddleback.
I'd rather have Fox's audio feed, but I haven't found one yet.
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http://www.cnn.com/audio/radio/cnntv.html
Live audio feed for the peole who can't see their TV's from the computer (like me). This came in very usefull during Saddleback.
I'd rather have Fox's audio feed, but I haven't found one yet.
there is a video link at cspan.org, also. I would probably watch it there, since they won't prematurely exclamate, like I am sure the CNNites will.
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http://www.cnn.com/audio/radio/cnntv.html
Live audio feed for the peole who can't see their TV's from the computer (like me). This came in very usefull during Saddleback.
I'd rather have Fox's audio feed, but I haven't found one yet.
there is a video link at cspan.org, also. I would probably watch it there, since they won't prematurely exclamate, like I am sure the CNNites will.
I'm trying to avoid video feeds. My low-budget ISP package doesn't like them.
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http://www.cnn.com/audio/radio/cnntv.html
Live audio feed for the peole who can't see their TV's from the computer (like me). This came in very usefull during Saddleback.
I'd rather have Fox's audio feed, but I haven't found one yet.
there is a video link at cspan.org, also. I would probably watch it there, since they won't prematurely exclamate, like I am sure the CNNites will.
I'm trying to avoid video feeds. My low-budget ISP package doesn't like them.
understood. C-SPAN has an audio feed as well.
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Just audio feeds? NO live feeds??...Fox doesn't have one?!?!?!? :censored:
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Just audio feeds? NO live feeds??...Fox doesn't have one?!?!?!? :censored:
I am sure they do . . . let me look.
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http://www.foxnews.com/
I can't find that, either. I was just going to watch it on tv.
Well remember, both candidates know the questions and have prepared answers...the only off the cuff responses will be when they are allowed to respond to eachother. still may be worthwhile.
Barack Hussein Obama runs a risk of being over prepared:
As President, how would you strengthen international cooperation to prevent nuclear capabilities from falling into dangerous hands and turn [our current] failing grade into an "A"? -- What alternative fuel, energy efficiency, and emissions reduction policies would you seek to implement nationally and internationally by the end of your first term as President in January 2013? -- How will you elevate both the level and effectiveness of US government development spending to advance our national security and foreign policy goals? -- How will you reaffirm America's global leadership in promoting human rights and the rule of law around the world? -- As President, how will you actively engage China while encouraging it to become a stronger stakeholder in the international system?
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=prnw.20080926.DC35296&show_article=1&catnum=3
Souns like McCain's strengths.
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Well, what time does it start?
No television here, remember.
If you want to watch while commenting there is the C-Span 'debate-cam'
http://www.c-span.org/politics/c-span-Debate-Cam.aspx
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Well, what time does it start?
No television here, remember.
If you want to watch while commenting there is the C-Span 'debate-cam'
http://www.c-span.org/politics/c-span-Debate-Cam.aspx
thanks! :-)
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we're close to getting underway . . . .
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Damn - I'm getting a bit tense here.. I really hope Big Mac doesn't blow it...
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http://www.channelsurfing.net/ has CNN streaming video in pretty reliable quality. (my TV is in another room as well) I'd prefer FOX but their site is weird to navigate and I have not had anymore luck there than anyone else yet.
Also, fwiw, ABC is the only station (non-cable) with a scheduled debate analysis* following the debate according to my yahoo TV guide.
*(Obama spin) :p
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Damn - I'm getting a bit tense here.. I really hope Big Mac doesn't blow it...
mccain doesn't need his pal, telly prompter, to do his thing. The BarackStar! can't sing off the script.
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OFFS
foxnews is running with the teddy kennedy story as though it changes something. :whatever:
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http://www.foxnews.com/video2/live.html?chanId=11 is the live stream I am watching
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http://www.channelsurfing.net/ has CNN streaming video in pretty reliable quality. (my TV is in another room as well) I'd prefer FOX but their site is weird to navigate and I have not had anymore luck there than anyone else yet.
Also, fwiw, ABC is the only station (non-cable) with a scheduled debate analysis* following the debate according to my yahoo TV guide.
*(Obama spin) :p
Personally I hate the post debate analysis. I don't like to have an explanation of what I just watched.
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isn't it odd that the media, the folks that are most out of touch with us commoners, are setting the expectations?
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mccain doesn't need his pal, telly prompter, to do his thing. The BarackStar! can't sing off the script.
Agreed, but McCain is..well..McCain. One never really knows what McCain is going to say or do. Sometimes he is a giant among men, other times I could just choke him.
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http://www.channelsurfing.net/ has CNN streaming video in pretty reliable quality. (my TV is in another room as well) I'd prefer FOX but their site is weird to navigate and I have not had anymore luck there than anyone else yet.
Also, fwiw, ABC is the only station (non-cable) with a scheduled debate analysis* following the debate according to my yahoo TV guide.
*(Obama spin) :p
Personally I hate the post debate analysis. I don't like to have an explanation of what I just watched.
I feel the same way about "book discussions". Let me enjoy my book and leave me be.
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http://www.foxnews.com/video2/live.html?chanId=11 is the live stream I am watching
Cool. Thanks! :cheersmate:
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and, just for the record, I have already had 6 "aaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnd"'s and two "understand this"'s :-)
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and, just for the record, I have already had 6 "aaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnd"'s and two "understand this"'s :-)
:lmao:
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mccain doesn't need his pal, telly prompter, to do his thing. The BarackStar! can't sing off the script.
Agreed, but McCain is..well..McCain. One never really knows what McCain is going to say or do. Sometimes he is a giant among men, other times I could just choke him.
exactly. he has been erratic throughout his entire career. it shouldn't surprise too many people that he is being erratic now.
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It's not good to mix "you know's" and "uhh's". Escpecially on an empty stomach.
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http://www.channelsurfing.net/ has CNN streaming video in pretty reliable quality. (my TV is in another room as well) I'd prefer FOX but their site is weird to navigate and I have not had anymore luck there than anyone else yet.
Also, fwiw, ABC is the only station (non-cable) with a scheduled debate analysis* following the debate according to my yahoo TV guide.
*(Obama spin) :p
Personally I hate the post debate analysis. I don't like to have an explanation of what I just watched.
What can I say? I'm a politics-junkie. Plus if Obama does bad it's fun to watch them squirm. :evillaugh:
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the global financial crisis = "OMG!!!!!!!!!!!! IT'S THE GREAT DEPRESHUN!!!!!!111!"
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"No cheers, no applause, no noise of any kind." :bs:
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http://www.channelsurfing.net/ has CNN streaming video in pretty reliable quality. (my TV is in another room as well) I'd prefer FOX but their site is weird to navigate and I have not had anymore luck there than anyone else yet.
Also, fwiw, ABC is the only station (non-cable) with a scheduled debate analysis* following the debate according to my yahoo TV guide.
*(Obama spin) :p
Personally I hate the post debate analysis. I don't like to have an explanation of what I just watched.
What can I say? I'm a politics-junkie. Plus if Obama does bad it's fun to watch them squirm. :evillaugh:
dude, take your sig down for tonight. this thread will move fast
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barack needs a haircut.
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Yes Obama is first !! leaves McCain counter room.
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2 "aaaaaannnndddds" and it's only 1 minute in!
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Obama brought his little grey cloud along with him.
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A cleverly disguised "uh" as a "to". :-)
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it's all george bush's fault, despite the fact that dodd and frank have been in charge for two years
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It's Bush's fault!
I didn't see that coming. :whatever:
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cool! to note about teddy's problem
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Blame Bush, tie him to McCain. Attack capitalism. Screw you Barry. lol
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cool! to note about teddy's problem
classy. And a huge contrast to Barry's talking points.
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just in terms of TV, mccain's tie is making my TV freak out.
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just in terms of TV, mccain's tie is making my TV freak out.
:rotf:
H5
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just in terms of TV, mccain's tie is making my TV freak out.
I have to see this.
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Gawd, I hope McCain brings up the $109K.
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"we have not seen the language yet . . . "
ah, blame george bush!
hey, barack, God hates cowards.
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I think Barry "blew his wad" in the first two minutes attacking McCain. Much stammering to follow I'll bet.
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what ?? Barack climed to see the Mae/Mac problem first ? did I just hear that ?
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Not enough regulation! LOL. Nice, BO.
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oh, here it comes!
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There is no language... they don't have a bill.
Barry's working on his "experience". All two years of it. Don't bother to mention the dozen bills the GOP introduced in the last decade to bring regulation to Fannie and Freddie.
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ruh, roh, he lost me
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UHOH!! Barrys looking angry...
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where have you been for the past two years, barack?
you freaking donation slut.
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Bwahhaaa...
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Lehrer totally tripped BO up. :lmao:
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uh... uhmm... uh-h-h-h-h-h... and... we... eh... uh.
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BO is now talking in circles -- first question --awesome.
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Damn it, why won't McCain bring up BO's fault in this Fannie May thing?
Grrrrrrr. :banghead:
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Lehrer totally tripped BO up. :lmao:
:bitchslap:
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. . . a fundemental belief . . . .
great seque
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oh, my. I didn't expect this earmarking thing . . .
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Damn it, why won't McCain bring up BO's fault in this Fannie May thing?
Grrrrrrr. :banghead:
I was thinking the same thing.
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Damn it, why won't McCain bring up BO's fault in this Fannie May thing?
Grrrrrrr. :banghead:
Remember - finances are McCains weak suit in this debate. He should tread carefully here, and then rip him a new ass once it gets to foriegn policy.
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Lehrer wants them to talk to eachother, but they won't...
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earmarks!! Barack just got toasted.
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yes!! a difference! earmarks!!
I get it! brilliant!
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Ooooh, burn.
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oh, earmarks don't count, because they aren't that much?
COWARD!
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A punch in the face for Barack -- The stammering is beginning, and BO's tempo has quickened -- good signs of unraveling.
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Tax cuts for the evil, eeeeeevil riiiiiiiich.
And the problem with that, Barak, is what exactly?
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bullshit! his tax plan won't fund his domestic plan! this is a lie!
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"President Bush" should be the drinking word.
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Alright, McCain! With the uppercut!
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OMG!! mccain is turning on human nature!
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Ouch...McCain "he didn't stop asking for earmarks until AFTER he was running for Pres."....BURN
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Rezko reference.. :-)
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Damn it, why won't McCain bring up BO's fault in this Fannie May thing?
Grrrrrrr. :banghead:
I was thinking the same thing.
WHy did McC not mention his 2005 legislation re F&F ? dammit
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UNGLUE OBAMA!!! YES!
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Tax cuts for the evil, eeeeeevil riiiiiiiich.
And the problem with that, Barak, is what exactly?
Barry wants billion-dollar handouts to the US auto industry, but is against tax cuts for the same companies? What?
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How many times so far has BO said, "Let's just be clear." *snort*
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uh, barack, a lot of us get our LIVELIHOODS from corporations, bitch
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How many times so far has BO said, "Let's just be clear." *snort*
wasn't that a drinking phrase? :uhsure:
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UNGLUE OBAMA!!! YES!
He's totally on the defensive. :evillaugh:
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WHy did McC not mention his 2005 legislation re F&F ? dammit
He hit on it lightly - just not in any detail
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Why does Obama keep looking down? Is he taking notes or is he getting depressed?
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who hires poor people ?
and he can't gloss over a zillion in free healthcare
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Oooo, McCain's mentioning the corporate tax. This should be fun.
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TOUCHDOWN on the business tax!
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How many times so far has BO said, "Let's just be clear." *snort*
wasn't that a drinking phrase? :uhsure:
Things are little hazy at this point. :-)
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Obama is doing his damndest to connect McCain and Bush
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Why does Obama keep looking down? Is he taking notes or is he getting depressed?
notes, HUGE FONTS
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Why does Obama keep looking down? Is he taking notes or is he getting depressed?
Yes. :evillaugh:
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BULLSHIT!!! the 250K number is CRAP!!
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liar
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On paper, the business taxes are high. :mental:
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HC is already taxed.
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Barack has lost the debate already -- If McCain can stay on point, it will be a slaughter.
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McCain giving the uppercut to Lehrer! :evillaugh:
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OMG!!
walking the walk, and talking the talk!!
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Heh, festooned.
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Ooops! McCain just stole Lehrer's lunch money! :-)
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Barrack is gonna cry...
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the record, YES !
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BHO is always trying to get the moderator's attention
P*SSY
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do they have teleprompters? who is Obama looking at? looking for answers?
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saying "its not true" dont make it so
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Obama's eyes are shifting around like he's a scared cat or something.
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We were talking about oil company profits?
nitwit.
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Sarah Palin took on the oil comapnies, and she busted their balls
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do they have teleprompters? who is Obama looking at? looking for answers?
Is someone in the audience giving him hand signals?
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do they have teleprompters? who is Obama looking at? looking for answers?
An emergency exit?
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This is the "security debate"???
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give up his trillion dollar plan?
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his energy plan costs money, McCain's does not
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give up his trillion dollar plan?
horrors !
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BO is not staying on topic...he's all over the friggin place.
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Obamas rambling answer has caused me to forget what the question was
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what he is saying now is just ridiculous
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Uh, Senator Obama. Japan builds cars in America nowadays.
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what does all this have to do with foreign policy?
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do they have teleprompters? who is Obama looking at? looking for answers?
Is someone in the audience giving him hand signals?
Yeah, but I doubt they're the kind of signals he wants to see.
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Obamas rambling answer has caused me to forget what the question was
Ha! We are thinking the same things!
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short and to the point -- "cut spending"
LOL! it's hard to reach across the aisle from that far to the left
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command of the facts... good
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$1 million a day in pork as a Senator. Someone's been a busy little boy.
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short and to the point -- "cut spending"
LOL! it's hard to reach across the aisle from that far to the left
H5 to McCain. :-)
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"We'll have to scrub every government agency."
Good deal.
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How many times has BO said "John's Right" six, seven, eight ???
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George Bush!
Take another drink :couch:
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what does all this have to do with foreign policy?
I asked that too, LOL. :lmao:
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damn drinking gammmmmes about the debate.
jObama is an idiot.................and saying the thing about Coborn is bullshit.
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YES!!!!!!!!!
spending freeze with three exceptions
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We'll have to change the culture? Code word for "you all will just have to accept socialism".
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"Google for Government"? :???:
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yeah, BHO, take on the war . . . . that we have WON now.
he is in full retreat
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BO, the question is how do you save money, not how do you spend more -- but thanks for playing.
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McCain is beating The O with his own words. :cheersmate:
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did leher just say "rule the country"?
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Boo to climate change John. :(
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barry cant name a thing but he sure as hell can think of things to spend new money on
oh
except the war but thats not a cut, its a go away item when it goes away
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"Rule" the country? Last I checked, we aren't electing a king.
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YES!!!!!!!!!
spending freeze with three exceptions
****in A
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YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't want to hand the health care system over to the federal govt
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Again -- spending money, not saving it -- Its obvious that team Obama guessed wrong on what the questions were going to be.. Too bad.
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great to point out the increased spending
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I want to make sure we aren't handing over the health care system to the federal goverment, which is what would happen under BO's health care plan. :bow:
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he keeps interupting just to say the words "george bush"
COWARD!
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did leher just say "rule the country"?
Yes he did. I think I also heard Obama say that some government programs are criminally underfunded. It went by quick, but it sure sounded like that to me.
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and barry voted for the budgets too
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ooh he said orgy. and is back to McCain = Bush ... He is getting pissed !!
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how does it feel to be nailed, BarackStar!?
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BO was having a snit fit just then.
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Oooo, Iraq time.
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Barry is failing to see that KOS talking points do not a debate make
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oh, go for it BHO! say that it isn't a victory
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it wasn't politically risky for a state senator from thwe south side of chicago
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"Haven't finished the job in Afghanistan". Didn't you say that a president should be able to do two things at once?
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"Haven't finished the job in Afghanistan". Didn't you say that a president should be able to do two things at once?
VERY GOOD POINT
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Please please call it a failure. Go BO go!
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Barry does a mean Mrs. Swan impersonation. "D, D, D, D". MadTV here he comes
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YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
mccain just nailed him on the surge
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10B down from 30B a month
oh nice, living in the past is foolishly
oh do it re Barry's escapades !
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Barry does a mean Mrs. Swam impersonation. "D, D, D, D". MadTV here he comes
Oh yeah... McCain..He look like a man.
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Barry is failing to see that KOS talking points do not a debate make
I don't think he knows that these debates are aimed at the general populace, not political junkies.
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Now were on McCain's turf.
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Which point? The one where he nailed your ass?! :evillaugh:
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McCain is right again !! Thanks BO!
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Is Bush running again ?
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ah, his running mate is in charge of running his sub-committe
"just understand . . . . "
*drink*
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OMG...what an idiot...he basically said he hasn't taken an interest in a middle east hearing because that's what he has biden for,,,
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BO is this close to stomping his foot and crossing his arms across his chest.
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OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!
tactic vs, strategy!!
here comes da bomb!
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"not true", stammers BHO
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Leherererr is getting pissed but he's too far in the can to do his job
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We are watching an adult debate a child. In terms of experience and the way they are handling themselves, there is a marked difference between these two candidates.
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YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
he voted to cut off funds for the troops
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Are you going to post every single stupid thing O said during the debate? Can you pay for that much server storage?
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WhoopAss time for Obama -- now Obama is parsing his bad votes HAR!
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St. Barry seems flustered at times. McCain has kept his cool pretty well. Of course I can't see video, only the audio on XM.
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Are you going to post every single stupid thing O said during the debate? Can you pay for that much server storage?
could get expensive -- Obama is working on a terrabyte of bad data -- He is so off message now!
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Obama said "that's not true" to the moderator! What is Jim Laurer his daddy?
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I apologize for the response times, but we must have 50 people in this thread. but that is a good problem to have.
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Defeat from Jaws of Victory !! YES!
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"That's not true! That's not true!" :bawl: :rotf:
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McCain can't help but laugh while barrack is talking..that must be pissing him off :evillaugh:
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Uh oh. Obama just lost the anti-war vote. He said we need more troops in Iraq and Afghanistan.
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Afgh is under NATO control isn't it ?
but it won't matter until they find away to get some prosperity going. AlQ uses the heroin trade to fund it's power and keep the people on-board.
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Thats right BO -- "We cant seperate Iraq from Afghanistan" -- you just blew your whole message.. Dumbass
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Mccain is doing better on the war but he got raped on the economy because he is trying to be to freaking nice. He needs to tell America that the Government is to big, you can't give tax cuts to people that dont pay taxes...etc.
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That's another three George Bush's in the last 15 minutes. Drink up!
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McCain needs to reach down and reaquaint himself with his balls and start interrupting the big O like he's doing to McCain.
Obama is trying to steam roll the whole event with his smoke and mirrors rhetoric. I hope the general public can see through him.
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McCain just danced on Obamas head over Pakistan.
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LMAO -- BOs ass is roasted on his attack Pakistan statement.. McCain is on FIRE!
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McCain is scoring, He is pissing obama off.
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That's another three George Bush's in the last 15 minutes. Drink up!
eemm yess are doing waht you think are doing :cheersmate:
:lmao:
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Mr ToughGuy messiah !
PRUDENT ! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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no, actually, barack, you said that you would unilaterally attack pakistan during the dem debates
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McCain needs to reach down and reaquaint himself with his balls and start interrupting the big O like he's doing to McCain.
Obama is trying to steam roll the whole event with his smoke and mirrors rhetoric. I hope the general public can see through him.
NO!! Thats what BO wants -- To get McCain heated.. McCain is taking the right approach by laughing it off.
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:rotf: "you don't say that outloud, [kid]" :rotf:
Obama is getting schooled.
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how many troops does it take to cover the mountain regions ?
China doesn't have that many troops.
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We have been making fun of Biden, but maybe O is the one who sinks it.
O could have got away form this. If he had agreed with McCain yesterday, this wouldn't be happening to him.
Maybe the H in the middle stands for Hubris.
And what is Hillary thinking right now. Something along the lines of "How did I loose to that!" I think she is done too. No way are they going to bring her back after she blew the primaries and lost to him.
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I think McCain is doing great! He's got Obama a bit flustered....BO starts umming and ahhing. McCain is projecting a very calm and in charge person. Obama is coming off a bit frantic to me.
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Maybe it's because I'm biased. Maybe it's because I'm slightly buzzed. But I can't follow BO's train of thoughts? Am I alone here?
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i see the theme. "I have a record, and he does not"
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McCain needs to reach down and reaquaint himself with his balls and start interrupting the big O like he's doing to McCain.
Obama is trying to steam roll the whole event with his smoke and mirrors rhetoric. I hope the general public can see through him.
NO!! Thats what BO wants -- To get McCain heated.. McCain is taking the right approach by laughing it off.
sorry, miskie...that was meant more towards that whole economic topic time. McCain is blowing him away with the foreign discussion.
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I've got a bracelet too.......
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It's Battle of the Bracelets right now. LOL.
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Barak: "Me too! Me too!"
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Oh boy dueling bracelets... BO is totally off base and is trying to recover -- too late. Your rambling is awful.
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(I apologize for the response times. we thought we had it figured out, but I am as irritated by our response times as you are)
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"someone with so much enthusiasm, you think he would have already gone to afghanistan" :rotf:
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"someone with so much enthusiasm, you think he would have already gone to afghanistan" :rotf:
That was classic.
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Maybe it's because I'm biased. Maybe it's because I'm slightly buzzed. But I can't follow BO's train of thoughts? Am I alone here?
I don't think he has one.
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Maybe it's because I'm biased. Maybe it's because I'm slightly buzzed. But I can't follow BO's train of thoughts? Am I alone here?
Obama can't follow Obama's derailed train of thought. If you are buzzed, you are doing better than most.
Obama has a record, but it is broken right where the word "change" is.
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Oh boy dueling bracelets... BO is totally off base and is trying to recover -- too late. Your rambling is awful.
"I've got a bracelet too."
That was just poor taste.
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McCain just hosed the UN -- AWESOME!
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Oh boy dueling bracelets... BO is totally off base and is trying to recover -- too late. Your rambling is awful.
"I've got a bracelet too."
That was just poor taste.
Agreed, that was dumb, and 10 bucks says the story is bullshit anyway.
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Anyone looking over at DU to see their reaction? :lmao:
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you have NOT "consistently" said shit, BHO
you called them a "tiny threat" a few months ago.
WHAT a LOSER!
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Anyone looking over at DU to see their reaction? :lmao:
I figured Id wait and not waste my time - Im sure they are all Pleasuring themselves to Obama - and all naysayers willl be banned.
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It sounds like he threw in that "stalwart ally" bit out of necessity.
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Anyone looking over at DU to see their reaction? :lmao:
Closed to unregistered users! That must be like DEFCON 5 or something. :lmao:
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I just got home, what did I miss?
LOL j/k
I'm watching now.
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McCain's knowledge of numbers and data impresses me. It seems no matter what Obama says, MCCain has some figures to counter with. He has also made it clear that his experience is invaluable.
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He may not be the right person to talk to? Shouldn't you know, BO? Shit.
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Anyone looking over at DU to see their reaction? :lmao:
They are at Defcon 2 and have closed the doors to Cheyenne Mountain. Access is closed to gaijin.
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"When I'm the President, I'll do what I want!"
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Anyone looking over at DU to see their reaction? :lmao:
Yeah, here it is...
(http://content.ytmnd.com/content/7/9/9/799ff839cbdd65473357c6750fb119cf.gif)
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Anyone looking over at DU to see their reaction? :lmao:
I figured Id wait and not waste my time - Im sure they are all Pleasuring themselves to Obama - and all naysayers willl be banned.
I figured they would already be working on a petition demanding teleprompters for the next debates.
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BO is nuancing his way out of his own words -- He is SOOOOO on the defense. Awesome.
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"Iran has been expedited on acquiring nukes from U.S. isolation efforts"~B.O.
Hmm, I could've sworn it was those dozens of Russian nuke scientists having their way with centrifuges and plutonium isotopes that was causing that.
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moving the precondition goalposts ? please
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I don't even have a seal yet. :rotf:
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"I don't even have a seal yet." HAAAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!
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Dont have a seal yet!! HA!!!! BO is going to need to ice down his special area after this debate.
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"I don't even have my own seal."
:bow: :rotf: :lmao:
Barry is gettin whuped.
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"I don't even have my own seal yet"
Go McCain Go!
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I don't even have a seal yet. :rotf:
That one killed me! :lmao:
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Yes! McCain just called Obama "dangerous" (in terms of talking to terrorists). Yes!
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McCain is kicking Obamalamadingdong's ass on the "talk with no preconditions" meme of Obama's... woot.
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georgebushgeorgebushgeorgebushgeorgebush!!!!
:couch:
Drink up, people!
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Oh, please! I love it! McCain is in total control here.
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Anyone looking over at DU to see their reaction? :lmao:
No. They're watching a different debate that we are. The one they're watching has "the one" winning.
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Obama is finally getting flustered.
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Barry's doing a great :lalala:
"Well..."
"That's not true..."
"Hold on..."
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WTF is B.O.'s deal with ****ing interjecting every bodily noise he can conjure up during McCain's response? It's extremely childish.
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I don't even have a seal yet. :rotf:
Well, you otter....
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Now Russia.
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Game,set,match.
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Obama -- Seriously -- did Biden write this Russia rant for you ? Its makes no sense.
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the big coward is still running against bush
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OMG!!
I saw K, G, B
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Oh, I was hoping he'd mention Obama's first statement there.
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A "K a G and a B". :evillaugh:
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he called obama naive. perfect.
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Oh, I was hoping he'd mention Obama's first statement there.
the one about trusting the UN, right?
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Once again McCain shows his knowledge and experience - All these first hand stories and conversations to draw from. BO ?? Nada.
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Oh, I was hoping he'd mention Obama's first statement there.
the one about trusting the UN, right?
The one where he said both sides were at fault.
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Are you going to post every single stupid thing O said during the debate? Can you pay for that much server storage?
Are you going to show us how much you are in the tank for Obama???
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BHO : "we largely agree with shit that I don't understand"
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Is anyone keeping track of how many times Obama starts off his rebuttal rants with "Well, John McCain is right...."
He should just concede now. Giuliani was right...Obama just needs to ask McCain what to do to start with.
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YES! BO agrees with McCain again! he has sooo lost this debate.
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"my ass, it is kicked."
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Is anyone keeping track of how many times Obama starts off his rebuttal rants with "Well, John McCain is right...."
He should just concede now. Giuliani was right...Obama just needs to ask McCain what to do to start with.
My unofficial account is 11 times. Debate 101 - NEVER CONCEDE ANYTHING TO YOUR OPPONENT.
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Is anyone keeping track of how many times Obama starts off his rebuttal rants with "Well, John McCain is right...."
DU is, and they're not happy about it.
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Dammit, will O quit trying to interrupt here????
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SLAM!
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Anyone looking over at DU to see their reaction? :lmao:
No. They're watching a different debate that we are. The one they're watching has "the one" winning.
Same with a couple other boards I'm watching. With the left, it's how you say something that's more important than what you say. They're buying Obama's smooth talking, or at least the reputation he has of being a smooth talker. That reputation might be taking a hit tonight.
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Dammit, will O quit trying to interrupt here????
nope -- the plan was to bring out Angry McCain -- EPIC FAIL.
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Obama's about as smooth as a Detroit highway tonight.
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"the largest reorganization of government since wwII"
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he called obama naive. perfect.
McCain also said a few times: "What Senator Obama doesn't seem to understand is..."
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Is anyone keeping track of how many times Obama starts off his rebuttal rants with "Well, John McCain is right...."
He should just concede now. Giuliani was right...Obama just needs to ask McCain what to do to start with.
My unofficial account is 11 times. Debate 101 - NEVER CONCEDE ANYTHING TO YOUR OPPONENT.
And how many times has McCain said Obama was right? Far less, I imagine.
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he's (http://www.backedupsomewhere.com/junk/old/older/toast/toast.jpg)
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he called obama naive. perfect.
McCain also said a few times: "What Senator Obama doesn't seem to understand is..."
exactly. I am even going to tune into the PMSNBC after programming
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OMG
this guy is sooooooooooo on his game
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And how many times has McCain said Obama was right? Far less, I'd imagine.
Zero that I caught, but McCain did a fine job of saying "What Senator Obama doesn't understand is.." At least 10 times.
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"Senator Obama just doesn't understand....."
"There you go again....."
I knew he would find something to beat the kid up with and he certainly did.
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+8 in the polls come monday
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One of these candidates is obviously better with a prepared speech than in a debate. Any guesses who that might be.
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"aaaaaaaaaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnnndd"
shit, I have to drink now :whatever: :uhsure: :-)
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there is only one word that come to mind.
e·vis·cer·ate (-vs-rt)
v. e·vis·cer·at·ed, e·vis·cer·at·ing, e·vis·cer·ates
v.tr.
1. To remove the entrails of; disembowel.
2. To take away a vital or essential part of: a compromise that eviscerated the proposed bill.
3. Medicine
a. To remove the contents of (an organ).
b. To remove an organ, such as an eye, from (a patient).
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WOW. mccain's closing remarks were KILLER!
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"I don't need on-the-job training." Fantastic!
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Please, McCain didn't make a fool of Obama tonight.
Barry
did
that
his
very
own
self
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all the kid can talk abouty costs money and its all including money currently being spent in Iraq/Afg
game set match
this one is OVAH !
WINNER MY UNANIMOUS DECISION
McCain
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What are we left with IMHO? What did McCain end with that Obama did not?
Sincerity!
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v469/NufCed38/081301c.jpg)
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I thank all of you 580-odd peple that watched the debate with us. I hope you had as good a time as we did.
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Drudge has the poll already...McCain 75, BO 21
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McCain will come up at least 5 points in the polls if not more by next week. When do the VPs battle it out?
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Barry is going to base his foreign policy on the opinions of children? :whatever:
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McCain will come up at least 5 points in the polls if not more by next week. When do the VPs battle it out?
Thursday night.
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watching PMSNBC
says chris matthews, "after I get done masturbating, I think that mccain won"
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McCain will come up at least 5 points in the polls if not more by next week. When do the VPs battle it out?
Thursday! Woot!
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McCain will come up at least 5 points in the polls if not more by next week. When do the VPs battle it out?
first week in October I think
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Drudge has the poll already...McCain 75, BO 21
Ouch. That's painful.
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maybe +8 was light, but I will stick with it.
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obama is a NEOPHYTE!! what don't people get about that?
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ABC's analysis as they go to commercial...
Obama was more "forceful" and looked at McCain and Jim more while John looked down and seemed disengaged.
WTF debate were they watching? lol I'll come back after ABC talks to their experts on foreign policy!
(can anyone dobt the press is in the bag for Obama?) :lmao:
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McCain will come up at least 5 points in the polls if not more by next week. When do the VPs battle it out?
Thursday, cant wait !
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McCain will come up at least 5 points in the polls if not more by next week. When do the VPs battle it out?
first week in October I think
October 2, Thursday, in St Louis at Washington University. I'm going tomorrow to pick up tickets for a huge debate watching party at the auditorium at St Louis University. Palin will come there directly from the debate. Wooot!! Can't wait.
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McCain will come up at least 5 points in the polls if not more by next week. When do the VPs battle it out?
first week in October I think
October 2, Thursday, in St Louis at Washington University. I'm going tomorrow to pick up tickets for a huge debate watching party at the auditorium at St Louis University. Palin will come there directly from the debate. Wooot!! Can't wait.
try to gran a few extra. I would fly to MO for that!
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Drudge has the poll already...McCain 75, BO 21
Well, no surprise, PMSNBC has Obama winning, but the Drudge poll has about 19,000 more votes.
http://jeffblack.newsvine.com/_question/2008/09/26/1919787-who-won-the-presidential-debate
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McCain will come up at least 5 points in the polls if not more by next week. When do the VPs battle it out?
first week in October I think
October 2, Thursday, in St Louis at Washington University. I'm going tomorrow to pick up tickets for a huge debate watching party at the auditorium at St Louis University. Palin will come there directly from the debate. Wooot!! Can't wait.
How cool, SLW! Take lots of pics. Can't wait to hear how it goes! :)
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Drudge...
I was vote number 25,541 that McCain won the debate, lol.
http://www.drudgereport.com/
Vote or die! :p :p :p
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HA!!
everyone has seized on the
"I agree with Senator McCain" and the "What Senator Obama doesnt understand" soundbites. The only Obama positives that the talking heads are spinning is McCain is rooted in the past and Obama is looking to the future.
Im sorry but I don't buy the spin. The Dems are beating up Palin every day for lack of experience, while praising BO's lack of experience.
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[youtube=425,350] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ec3aC8ZJZTc[/youtube]
McCain is Right Ad
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HA!!
everyone has seized on the
"I agree with Senator McCain" and the "What Senator Obama doesnt understand" soundbites. The only Obama positives that the talking heads are spinning is McCain is rooted in the past and Obama is looking to the future.
Im sorry but I don't buy the spin. The Dems are beating up Palin every day for lack of experience, while praising BO's lack of experience.
Major Garrett said a few minutes ago that that was the Obama campaigns "talking point".
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HA!!
everyone has seized on the
"I agree with Senator McCain" and the "What Senator Obama doesnt understand" soundbites. The only Obama positives that the talking heads are spinning is McCain is rooted in the past and Obama is looking to the future.
Im sorry but I don't buy the spin. The Dems are beating up Palin every day for lack of experience, while praising BO's lack of experience.
nObama has no past that he can speak about. What else is there to understand?
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McCain was the clear winner - he mauled him. It had the professor v. student aura - Obama looked like he way in over his head, and I don't think he should have kept callin McCain "John" - he looked like a disrespectful teenager when he did that. He also interrupted him too much, and McCain got to say "naive" way too many times.
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Major Garrett said a few minutes ago that that was the Obama campaigns "talking point".
Well there you go - That's the one thing they can carry out of it... *FAIL*
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Major Garrett said a few minutes ago that that was the Obama campaigns "talking point".
Well there you go - That's the one thing they can carry out of it... *FAIL*
ok, that was clever. that is worth even more than a mere +1 H5
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[youtube=425,350] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ec3aC8ZJZTc[/youtube]
McCain is Right Ad
ooh, that's got to sting. :-)
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From what I saw/heard. I thought both did well. Different in their own aspects, but well nonetheless.
Obama has to stop the "McCain is right..." at the beginning of an answer, that's a killer.
I think Obama could have hammered McCain on some aspects, but McCain did well hammering on to Obama.
Overall, I still say it's a tie, with McCain leaning to the win.
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McCain was the clear winner - he mauled him. It had the professor v. student aura - Obama looked like he way in over his head, and I don't think he should have kept callin McCain "John" - he looked like a disrespectful teenager when he did that. He also interrupted him too much, and McCain got to say "naive" way too many times.
I noticed all the interruptions too. It was like, well...... like ya said, he was a spoiled teenager throwing a fit because his dad won't let him borrow the car.... it was great.
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oh, and by the way, you can all turn your sig pics back on now, and thank you for your cooperation
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[youtube=425,350] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ec3aC8ZJZTc[/youtube]
McCain is Right Ad
Ha! I love it.
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From what I saw/heard. I thought both did well. Different in their own aspects, but well nonetheless.
Obama has to stop the "McCain is right..." at the beginning of an answer, that's a killer.
I think Obama could have hammered McCain on some aspects, but McCain did well hammering on to Obama.
Overall, I still say it's a tie, with McCain leaning to the win.
your boy got obliterated. :-)
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From what I saw/heard. I thought both did well. Different in their own aspects, but well nonetheless.
Obama has to stop the "McCain is right..." at the beginning of an answer, that's a killer.
I think Obama could have hammered McCain on some aspects, but McCain did well hammering on to Obama.
Overall, I still say it's a tie, with McCain leaning to the win.
your boy got obliterated. :-)
Of course that's what you're going to say. :)
I didn't watch/listen to the whole thing. I think it's a tie from what I saw. It's not like this debate was going to change your or my vote. :)
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Drudge...
I was vote number 25,541 that McCain won the debate, lol.
http://www.drudgereport.com/
Vote or die! :p :p :p
46,241 for me.
McCain 72 obama 25
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From what I saw/heard. I thought both did well. Different in their own aspects, but well nonetheless.
Obama has to stop the "McCain is right..." at the beginning of an answer, that's a killer.
I think Obama could have hammered McCain on some aspects, but McCain did well hammering on to Obama.
Overall, I still say it's a tie, with McCain leaning to the win.
your boy got obliterated. :-)
Of course that's what you're going to say. :)
I didn't watch/listen to the whole thing. I think it's a tie from what I saw. It's not like this debate was going to change your or my vote. :)
What would it take to change your vote? :naughty:
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Drudge...
I was vote number 25,541 that McCain won the debate, lol.
http://www.drudgereport.com/
Vote or die! :p :p :p
I was 46,241. Of course I voted for McCain. :-) Thanks for posting the link.
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keith olbermann tried to accuse Sarah Palin of violating operation security when she said that her son was shipping out on a certain date . . . it turns out there was a public ceremony that was published in all of the local newspapers when her son shipped out.
so don't listen to teethless underman
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From what I saw/heard. I thought both did well. Different in their own aspects, but well nonetheless.
Obama has to stop the "McCain is right..." at the beginning of an answer, that's a killer.
I think Obama could have hammered McCain on some aspects, but McCain did well hammering on to Obama.
Overall, I still say it's a tie, with McCain leaning to the win.
your boy got obliterated. :-)
Of course that's what you're going to say. :)
I didn't watch/listen to the whole thing. I think it's a tie from what I saw. It's not like this debate was going to change your or my vote. :)
I dunno... watch the debate and see. It was like Mike Tyson fighting Pee Wee Herman in a no-holds barred fight to the death boxing match.
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Interesting quote from DU.
My personal (and unhappy) opinion is that the fact that it ended on National Security, with McCain speaking last and sounding all the right notes with regard to his "experience", the final outcome is that this debate gave a big edge to McCain among undecided voters.
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From what I saw/heard. I thought both did well. Different in their own aspects, but well nonetheless.
Obama has to stop the "McCain is right..." at the beginning of an answer, that's a killer.
I think Obama could have hammered McCain on some aspects, but McCain did well hammering on to Obama.
Overall, I still say it's a tie, with McCain leaning to the win.
your boy got obliterated. :-)
Of course that's what you're going to say. :)
I didn't watch/listen to the whole thing. I think it's a tie from what I saw. It's not like this debate was going to change your or my vote. :)
What would it take to change your vote? :naughty:
Well, I dunno, what are you offering???? :naughty: :naughty: :naughty:
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From what I saw/heard. I thought both did well. Different in their own aspects, but well nonetheless.
Obama has to stop the "McCain is right..." at the beginning of an answer, that's a killer.
I think Obama could have hammered McCain on some aspects, but McCain did well hammering on to Obama.
Overall, I still say it's a tie, with McCain leaning to the win.
your boy got obliterated. :-)
Of course that's what you're going to say. :)
I didn't watch/listen to the whole thing. I think it's a tie from what I saw. It's not like this debate was going to change your or my vote. :)
I dunno... watch the debate and see. It was like Mike Tyson fighting Pee Wee Herman in a no-holds barred fight to the death boxing match.
maybe only +5 in the polls tomorrow, since republicans are always undersampled in weekend polls
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but it will be +8 on monday
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From what I saw/heard. I thought both did well. Different in their own aspects, but well nonetheless.
Obama has to stop the "McCain is right..." at the beginning of an answer, that's a killer.
I think Obama could have hammered McCain on some aspects, but McCain did well hammering on to Obama.
Overall, I still say it's a tie, with McCain leaning to the win.
your boy got obliterated. :-)
Of course that's what you're going to say. :)
I didn't watch/listen to the whole thing. I think it's a tie from what I saw. It's not like this debate was going to change your or my vote. :)
What would it take to change your vote? :naughty:
Well, I dunno, what are you offering???? :naughty: :naughty: :naughty:
Call me. :-*
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Drudge...
I was vote number 25,541 that McCain won the debate, lol.
http://www.drudgereport.com/
Vote or die! :p :p :p
I was 46,241. Of course I voted for McCain. :-) Thanks for posting the link.
Uh oh. McCain falls to 71% think he won. :rotf:
Still at 2% for a tie,(niether won) lol. Even the far left press is calling it a tie which means McCain won big. :-)
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From what I saw/heard. I thought both did well. Different in their own aspects, but well nonetheless.
Obama has to stop the "McCain is right..." at the beginning of an answer, that's a killer.
I think Obama could have hammered McCain on some aspects, but McCain did well hammering on to Obama.
Overall, I still say it's a tie, with McCain leaning to the win.
your boy got obliterated. :-)
Of course that's what you're going to say. :)
I didn't watch/listen to the whole thing. I think it's a tie from what I saw. It's not like this debate was going to change your or my vote. :)
What would it take to change your vote? :naughty:
Well, I dunno, what are you offering???? :naughty: :naughty: :naughty:
Call me. :-*
LOL! I don't need anything quilted...but I do have a cello for sale. :uhsure:
LOL!!!
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From what I saw/heard. I thought both did well. Different in their own aspects, but well nonetheless.
Obama has to stop the "McCain is right..." at the beginning of an answer, that's a killer.
I think Obama could have hammered McCain on some aspects, but McCain did well hammering on to Obama.
Overall, I still say it's a tie, with McCain leaning to the win.
your boy got obliterated. :-)
Of course that's what you're going to say. :)
I didn't watch/listen to the whole thing. I think it's a tie from what I saw. It's not like this debate was going to change your or my vote. :)
What would it take to change your vote? :naughty:
Well, I dunno, what are you offering???? :naughty: :naughty: :naughty:
Call me. :-*
if anyone has BEG's phone number, I would pay good money for it. :-)
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LOL! I don't need anything quilted...but I do have a cello for sale. :uhsure:
:lmao: That was cruel.
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From what I saw/heard. I thought both did well. Different in their own aspects, but well nonetheless.
Obama has to stop the "McCain is right..." at the beginning of an answer, that's a killer.
I think Obama could have hammered McCain on some aspects, but McCain did well hammering on to Obama.
Overall, I still say it's a tie, with McCain leaning to the win.
your boy got obliterated. :-)
Of course that's what you're going to say. :)
I didn't watch/listen to the whole thing. I think it's a tie from what I saw. It's not like this debate was going to change your or my vote. :)
What would it take to change your vote? :naughty:
Well, I dunno, what are you offering???? :naughty: :naughty: :naughty:
Call me. :-*
LOL! I don't need anything quilted...but I do have a cello for sale. :uhsure:
LOL!!!
That may be back on by the way.
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Drudge...
I was vote number 25,541 that McCain won the debate, lol.
http://www.drudgereport.com/
Vote or die! :p :p :p
I was 46,241. Of course I voted for McCain. :-) Thanks for posting the link.
Damn democrats are stealing the election. Two post above yours, I was 46,241. :-)
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From what I saw/heard. I thought both did well. Different in their own aspects, but well nonetheless.
Obama has to stop the "McCain is right..." at the beginning of an answer, that's a killer.
I think Obama could have hammered McCain on some aspects, but McCain did well hammering on to Obama.
Overall, I still say it's a tie, with McCain leaning to the win.
your boy got obliterated. :-)
Of course that's what you're going to say. :)
I didn't watch/listen to the whole thing. I think it's a tie from what I saw. It's not like this debate was going to change your or my vote. :)
What would it take to change your vote? :naughty:
Well, I dunno, what are you offering???? :naughty: :naughty: :naughty:
Call me. :-*
if anyone has BEG's phone number, I would pay good money for it. :-)
You just don't know the right people apparently. :uhsure:
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we had 200 people in our debate thread tonight!
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LOL! I don't need anything quilted...but I do have a cello for sale. :uhsure:
:lmao: That was cruel.
wahhh MIA doesn't want my bod-eh :bawl:
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From what I saw/heard. I thought both did well. Different in their own aspects, but well nonetheless.
Obama has to stop the "McCain is right..." at the beginning of an answer, that's a killer.
I think Obama could have hammered McCain on some aspects, but McCain did well hammering on to Obama.
Overall, I still say it's a tie, with McCain leaning to the win.
your boy got obliterated. :-)
Of course that's what you're going to say. :)
I didn't watch/listen to the whole thing. I think it's a tie from what I saw. It's not like this debate was going to change your or my vote. :)
What would it take to change your vote? :naughty:
Well, I dunno, what are you offering???? :naughty: :naughty: :naughty:
Call me. :-*
if anyone has BEG's phone number, I would pay good money for it. :-)
You just don't know the right people apparently. :uhsure:
lou---zer!
:-)
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Uh oh. McCain falls to 71% think he won. :rotf:
Still at 2% for a tie,(niether won) lol. Even the far left press is calling it a tie which means McCain won big. :-)
Thats what I'm seeing - Tied. not a good sign for the Obamessiah. Otherwise there would be a total Obama lovefest going on right now. The only clear Obama win Ive seen was just on fox with a focus group. Honestly though.. I think the group was infiltrated, some of the folks questioned spit out Obama talking points.
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I think I need to stop watching after debate commentary. Charles Krauthammer thought Obama tied and therefore came out ahead and Luntz's focus group favored Obama. All the pundits said all Obama had to do was tie because all the other debates would be "his" issues...I guess he did what he had to do. I had to walk away before I became depressed.
Cindie
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LOL! I don't need anything quilted...but I do have a cello for sale. :uhsure:
:lmao: That was cruel.
Seriously, you don't know how much the cello's worth. :)
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I think I need to stop watching after debate commentary. Charles Krauthammer thought Obama tied and therefore came out ahead and Luntz's focus group favored Obama. All the pundits said all Obama had to do was tie because all the other debates would be "his" issues...I guess he did what he had to do. I had to walk away before I became depressed.
Cindie
They're going to spin this worse than Auntie Em's farmhouse.
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From what I saw/heard. I thought both did well. Different in their own aspects, but well nonetheless.
Obama has to stop the "McCain is right..." at the beginning of an answer, that's a killer.
I think Obama could have hammered McCain on some aspects, but McCain did well hammering on to Obama.
Overall, I still say it's a tie, with McCain leaning to the win.
your boy got obliterated. :-)
Of course that's what you're going to say. :)
I didn't watch/listen to the whole thing. I think it's a tie from what I saw. It's not like this debate was going to change your or my vote. :)
What would it take to change your vote? :naughty:
Well, I dunno, what are you offering???? :naughty: :naughty: :naughty:
Call me. :-*
if anyone has BEG's phone number, I would pay good money for it. :-)
You just don't know the right people apparently. :uhsure:
Whatever happens......................can i watch :naughty:
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LOL! I don't need anything quilted...but I do have a cello for sale. :uhsure:
:lmao: That was cruel.
wahhh MIA doesn't want my bod-eh :bawl:
A married straight girl? No. You're hawt, don't get me wrong, but you seriously don't want me either. :rofl:
I loves you BEG!!!!
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LOL! I don't need anything quilted...but I do have a cello for sale. :uhsure:
:lmao: That was cruel.
Seriously, you don't know how much the cello's worth. :)
$5K?
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From what I saw/heard. I thought both did well. Different in their own aspects, but well nonetheless.
Obama has to stop the "McCain is right..." at the beginning of an answer, that's a killer.
I think Obama could have hammered McCain on some aspects, but McCain did well hammering on to Obama.
Overall, I still say it's a tie, with McCain leaning to the win.
your boy got obliterated. :-)
Of course that's what you're going to say. :)
I didn't watch/listen to the whole thing. I think it's a tie from what I saw. It's not like this debate was going to change your or my vote. :)
What would it take to change your vote? :naughty:
Well, I dunno, what are you offering???? :naughty: :naughty: :naughty:
Call me. :-*
if anyone has BEG's phone number, I would pay good money for it. :-)
You just don't know the right people apparently. :uhsure:
lou---zer!
:-)
:rofl:
LOL! I don't need anything quilted...but I do have a cello for sale. :uhsure:
:lmao: That was cruel.
Seriously, you don't know how much the cello's worth. :)
$5K?
ssssshhhhhhssssshhhhhh
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LOL! I don't need anything quilted...but I do have a cello for sale. :uhsure:
:lmao: That was cruel.
Seriously, you don't know how much the cello's worth. :)
$5K?
You obviously read the shout box.
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I think I need to stop watching after debate commentary. Charles Krauthammer thought Obama tied and therefore came out ahead and Luntz's focus group favored Obama. All the pundits said all Obama had to do was tie because all the other debates would be "his" issues...I guess he did what he had to do. I had to walk away before I became depressed.
Cindie
Krauthammer based his statement on it being the foreign policy debate - what did they spend 10 minutes on foreign policy?
No mention of Barack "my brother lives in a hut" Obama's sharp swing to the center that will not sit well with his base.
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LOL! I don't need anything quilted...but I do have a cello for sale. :uhsure:
:lmao: That was cruel.
wahhh MIA doesn't want my bod-eh :bawl:
A married straight girl? No. You're hawt, don't get me wrong, but you seriously don't want me either. :rofl:
I loves you BEG!!!!
You don't know that I'm straight, ask Schade. :p
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LOL! I don't need anything quilted...but I do have a cello for sale. :uhsure:
:lmao: That was cruel.
wahhh MIA doesn't want my bod-eh :bawl:
A married straight girl? No. You're hawt, don't get me wrong, but you seriously don't want me either. :rofl:
I loves you BEG!!!!
You don't know that I'm straight, ask Schade. :p
I've seen your husband, there's no way you're not straight. :wink:
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LOL! I don't need anything quilted...but I do have a cello for sale. :uhsure:
:lmao: That was cruel.
wahhh MIA doesn't want my bod-eh :bawl:
A married straight girl? No. You're hawt, don't get me wrong, but you seriously don't want me either. :rofl:
I loves you BEG!!!!
You don't know that I'm straight, ask Schade. :p
I've seen your husband, there's no way you're not straight. :wink:
Perhaps we could arrange something with him?!?
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LOL! I don't need anything quilted...but I do have a cello for sale. :uhsure:
:lmao: That was cruel.
wahhh MIA doesn't want my bod-eh :bawl:
A married straight girl? No. You're hawt, don't get me wrong, but you seriously don't want me either. :rofl:
I loves you BEG!!!!
You don't know that I'm straight, ask Schade. :p
I've seen your husband, there's no way you're not straight. :wink:
Perhaps we could arrange something with him?!?
LOL
:rofl:
I like that my vote might be worth that much. LOL
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I think I need to stop watching after debate commentary. Charles Krauthammer thought Obama tied and therefore came out ahead and Luntz's focus group favored Obama. All the pundits said all Obama had to do was tie because all the other debates would be "his" issues...I guess he did what he had to do. I had to walk away before I became depressed.
Cindie
Cindie, what was your gut reaction after watching it? That is what you should go with.
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I think I need to stop watching after debate commentary. Charles Krauthammer thought Obama tied and therefore came out ahead and Luntz's focus group favored Obama. All the pundits said all Obama had to do was tie because all the other debates would be "his" issues...I guess he did what he had to do. I had to walk away before I became depressed.
Cindie
Don't get too discouraged. Like others have said here, the MSM would be orgasmic if Obama won the debate. He didn't win so the closest "nicest" thing the MSM can say is it was a tie. :-)
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This should reassure everyone....Dick Morris just said he thought Obama won the debate. :p
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This should reassure everyone....Dick Morris just said he thought Obama won the debate. :p
Even the idiots at CNN said McCain should see a bounce out of this.
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This should reassure everyone....Dick Morris just said he thought Obama won the debate. :p
that should make the world safe for toe suckers and prostitutes everywhere
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This should reassure everyone....Dick Morris just said he thought Obama won the debate. :p
Even the idiots at CNN said McCain should see a bounce out of this.
PMSNBC is still not resolved.
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This should reassure everyone....Dick Morris just said he thought Obama won the debate. :p
that should make the world safe for toe suckers and prostitutes everywhere
:rotf:
H5
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This should reassure everyone....Dick Morris just said he thought Obama won the debate. :p
Even the idiots at CNN said McCain should see a bounce out of this.
PMSNBC is still not resolved.
Dick just said we should have Nominated Rudy. No shit.
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Dick Morris is wrong nine times out of ten. I'm hearing more of this:
Obama certainly made it clear that he's conversant and nuanced in foreign policy, but McCain finished strongly and deflected deftly Obama's attempts to associate him with George Bush. McCain was tougher than Obama.
Just now I spoke with Herb Smith, the astute political science professor from McDaniel College in Maryland and one of our keenest political observers. "Eight times, Obama said something like, 'Senator McCain is right, or John is right,' and that is unprecedented in a presidential debate," Smith said. "You don't do that in a debate. By contrast, I counted McCain saying, 'What Senator Obama doesn't understand . . .' about six or seven times, suggesting his naivete in foreign policy. McCain stayed on point, stayed on message."
So Obama was too nice again, too gracious. "He bent over backwards so far," says Smith, "he almost fell on his face. His media handlers should be taking him to the woodshed for that."
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/local/rodricks/blog/2008/09/mccain_finishes_strongly.html
Too nice, too gracious (barf) - but the left is mad that BHO looked so weak. I thought McCain was hilarious when he asked Obama if he thought that McCain couldn't hear him. :-)
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http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/local/rodricks/blog/2008/09/mccain_finishes_strongly.html
Too nice, too gracious (barf) - but the left is mad that BHO looked so weak. I thought McCain was hilarious when he asked Obama if he thought that McCain couldn't hear him. :-)
That line was great.
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They are coming unglued and are on the verge of eating each other at the DUmp so MaCain must have done pretty well.
I was sitting at the dealership getting my oil changed and breaks redone when the debate was running. :(
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Fight Night!
Scoring Obama-McCain, round by round.
by Jonathan V. Last
09/26/2008 11:50:00 PM
Round 1: Where do you stand on the Paulson bailout plan?
Obama says that Main Street was suffering long before Wall Street and that we have to move swiftly and wisely. Also, he says that he's put forward proposals to make this plan work better, most importantly to make sure we bail out the deadbeats who are being foreclosed on, too, and not just the Richie Riches at Lehman. Oh, and by the way and Bush and McCain caused this whole thing.
McCain opens by saying that he wishes Ted Kennedy all the best, signaling that he believes Sarah Palin has brought the GOP base onboard for good. He then points to the bipartisan nature of the modified Paulson package. And says that this is only the end of the beginning of the financial crisis. Neither guy answered the question, prompting Lehrer to re-ask.
On redirect, Obama says he can't say whether he's for it or not because he hasn't seen the details. But that it's important to remember that he warned of the crisis two years ago. Which kind of leaves one wondering why, if he knew that the "worst economic crisis since the Great Depression" was coming down the pike, all he did was write a letter to Paulson instead of acting to head it off.
McCain says that he is going to vote for the bailout and then talks about how important it is to hold people accountable for their actions. This is a close one since neither guy conveys any deep understanding of the situation or insight into the solution.
Round to Obama
Round 2: Are there fundamental difference between your two approaches to the crisis?
McCain goes right after spending, hitting his reform theme and blaming Republicans for their earmarks, out of control spending, and scandals. It's like he's daring Obama to be harder on the GOP than he is.
Obama says that earmarks are bad--though not as bad as "the special interests"! But Obama maintains that McCain's tax cuts for evil corporations and the rich are a worse source of waste than earmarks. Standing traditional supply-side economics on its head, Obama says he wants to grow the economy from the "bottom up."
The two then go back and forth on McCain's business tax cuts, culminating in McCain pointing that the U.S. business tax is 35 percent, Ireland's is 11 percent, and that lowering business taxes is one of the ways you keep businesses in America and create jobs. When Obama challenges this, he says that all of the "loopholes" actually make business taxes too low--suggesting that he'd like to make the U.S. less hospitable to businesses. Then McCain hits Obama for talking and not doing. Obama looks peevish.
Round to McCain
Round 3: As president, what will you give up to pay for the $700 billion bailout?
Obama says, quite nonsensically, that he's going to give up foreign oil by turning to wind, solar, and alternative fuels. He then goes on to talk about all the other things he is going to spend money on. If you were at all concerned that Obama's "no new taxes" pledge might not be written in stone, he isn't setting your mind at ease.
McCain says that we have to get spending under control and that he'd examine every agency of the government. Then, just throw an elbow at Iowa voters, he says that the first thing he'd do is cut the ethanol subsidy. Also, in an attempt to drive Michael Goldfarb from his staff, he singles out the DDX program in a long list of government waste that he'd go after.
When asked again what he would give up, Obama ducks the question, saying, again, that he will invest in ending our dependence on foreign oil. Not to pick nits but technically, that's new spending. Lehrer seems perturbed.
McCain then goes on the offensive saying we ought to consider a spending freeze (minus defense, entitlements, and veterans affairs). Thinking he has an opening, Obama pounces, saying that he wouldn't endorse a spending freeze because there are lots of under-funded programs that need more money from the federal government. It's not clear how this is helping reassure people that he won't raise their taxes.
Round to McCain
Round 4: What are the lessons of Iraq?
McCain says that you need to be mindful that strategies can fail and that flexibility is important. He says that we're winning in Iraq and that we will come home with victory and honor and a newly-minted ally in the region. He gives Gen. Petraeus and the troops all the credit.
Obama says that this is a fundamental difference between the two men because six years ago he stood up the salons of Hyde Park and bravely opposed the war. He then paints a picture of American defeat around the globe and claims that al Qaeda is stronger than it's been at any time since 2001. For whatever it's worth, this last assertion is counter to recent analysis of al Qaeda's strength. It betrays a staggering ignorance on Obama's part; his position deteriorates from there.
Round to McCain
Round 5: About that Afghanistan . . .
Obama says we need more troops in Afghanistan, which is why we need to pull out of Iraq and get tough with Pakistan.
McCain says that he regrets the mistake we made by neglecting the Afghanis after they drove the Soviets out, allowing the Taliban to take hold. He then paints Obama as reckless for wanting to cut off aid to a tottering nuclear power. The knowledge gap is beginning to show and it gets worse when Obama mangles pre-Musharraf Pakistani history.
As the exchange goes on it becomes clear that these guys like each other about as much as Ali and Foreman did.
Round to McCain
Round 6: How big a threat is Iran?
McCain says that a nuclear Iran is an existential threat to Israel and a strategic threat to the stability of the region. He notes that Russia is blocking action at the U.N. and touts a "League of Democracies" which could implement serious and tough sanctions on Iran. But "have no doubt," he's ready to throw down. He gallantly doesn't mention that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad seems to prefer Obama.
Obama says that we need Russia and China to help with sanction. But the real thing we need with Iran is--hold on to your seats--tough, direct diplomacy!
McCain hits Obama for pledging to talk with Ahmadinejad without preconditions. Obama should just take his lumps here--this is the cost of winning the Democratic nomination. But instead he tries to weasel out of it, saying that he'll "sit down with anybody" but that there have to be "preparation." Then he tries to get cute by saying that Ahmadinejad may not be the most important person in Iran. It's a weird pride that keeps Obama committed to a losing position when he should just find different ground to fight on. You'll notice, by the way, that whenever he loses his way, he blurts out "President Bush."
McCain says that his opponent's views aren't "just naive, but dangerous." Obama isn't doing anything to dispel this notion.
Round to McCain
Round 7: Russia. Competitor? Enemy? Partner? Discuss.
Obama says that the evidence of recent weeks says we need to reevaluate our relationship with Russia and that we should start expanding NATO immediately. But that we can't return to a Cold War posture.
McCain says that Obama's first reaction to the Russia-Georgia conflict was to urge both sides to show restraint, evincing further "naiveté." It's pretty rough, particularly when he starts talking about the specifics of South Ossetia.
Round to McCain
Round 8: What is the likelihood of another 9/11?
McCain says it's "much less than it was the day after 9/11" and that we are a safer nation, even though we are not safe. He talks about how he pushed for the creation of the 9/11 Commission against the wishes of President Bush and how he worked with Democrats to pass most of the Commission's recommendations. Most gratifyingly, he talks about how important it is to bolster American intelligence capabilities, particularly in the area of HUMINT.
Obama says that we are safer in some ways, but still have a long way to go. He smartly points out that we have yet to harden transportation points (excluding airports), chemical facilities, and other attractive targets. He also talks about the need to focus on nuclear proliferation, in order to keep nuclear materials out of the hands of terrorists. This is the most comfortable and commanding he's been all night.
McCain goes back to Obama's desire to withdrawal from Iraq, saying that Obama doesn't realize how interconnected Iraq is to the wider terrorist threat. Obama responds that Iraq is a huge disaster and hindrance to everything America needs to do in the world.
Then McCain throws down the gauntlet with what I suspect will be the only line people take away from the night: "There are some advantages to experience and knowledge and judgment. And I honestly don't believe that Sen. Obama has the knowledge or experience and has made the wrong judgments in a number of areas."
Then he takes another big swing: "You know we've seen this stubbornness before in this administration, to cling to a belief that somehow the surge has not succeeded and failing to acknowledge that he was wrong about the surge shows to me that we need more flexibility in a president of the United States than that. . . . I don't think I need any on-the-job training."
This round is a Rorschach. If you love Obama, he acquitted himself well. If you have questions about Obama, you found McCain's assault devastating. The big question is how undecideds will see this last exchange.
Round to McCain
My scorecard says that McCain won the night 7-1, which frankly surprises me. On paper that looks like a rout, but McCain didn't seem that dominant as it was happening. Certainly there was nothing in the debate that Obama will worry about as having been a big blow. I saw McCain winning the debate pretty handily, but I doubt he scored any larger strategic victory.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Utilities/printer_preview.asp?idArticle=15619&R=13C1F128AB
I think McCain did very well and came across as honest. It was clear he was answering questions off the cuff. Obama's replies were scripted, and the reason why he stated numerous times he agreed with McCain was because he did not know the subject material well enough to debate it.
McCain I believe is holding the Fannie Mae cards against the Democrats for the next debate in which the economy is actually supposed to be discussed (I am pretty disgusted that the weasle PBS hack infused it as often as he could in last night's debate).
The VP debate should be good. I can't see Biden avoiding making himself look like a sexist condescending pig. I predict he will use the word "hon" or something similar at least once when addressing Palin -- and Joe, on your comments last night after the debate in which you boast you have been to the same places McCain has overseas, McCain wasn't there for the top shelf booze, food and women. Mmmmkay?
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You'll notice, by the way, that whenever he loses his way, he blurts out "President Bush."
That's funny. True, but funny.
Honestly, after watching the debate I thought Obama did a little better than I expected and McCain didn't do quite as well as I expected. Though I viewed it as close, I still think McCain came out on top.
My wife, on the other hand, says that she thinks McCain crushed him. This is surprising as she is about as apolitical as they come. She said that to her Obama came off looking like someone who didn't know too much and was in over his head while McCain came off as knowledgeable and experienced.
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You'll notice, by the way, that whenever he loses his way, he blurts out "President Bush."
That's funny. True, but funny.
I lost track of the George Bush!TM scorecard last night. It must have been at least ten times, if not more.
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What would it take to change your vote? :naughty:
Well, I dunno, what are you offering???? :naughty: :naughty: :naughty:
It's official...
:picsneeded:
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NOT BAD... Obama Only Has 7 Major Flip Flops At First Debate
1.) Barack Obama said he "immediately and forcefully" condemned Russia for invading Georgia.
[youtube=425,350]l93Pd96BL20[/youtube]
Obama is not telling the truth. He did not immediately, forcefully, condemn Russia for invading Georgia. Not at all.
2.) Obama said Former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger supported his plan to talk with rogue regime leaders without preconditions.
Then Obama tried to parse his words suggesting that "preparations" were the same as "preconditions." Not true- Henry Kissinger responded immediately after the debate.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2008/09/tws_exclusive_kissinger_unhapp.asp
3.) Obama said he supported offshore drilling. During the primary, Obama was against offshore drilling. In August he said he may change his mind.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/01/obama-shifts-on-oil-drilling/
4.) Obama said he supported nuclear energy. Not true- His preconditions make it impossible to expand nuclear energy at this time.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121296676181055711.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
5.) Last night Barack Obama said he was in favor of missile defense systems.
[youtube=425,350]NP06C37o35Q[/youtube]
Again, just not true.
(more...) (http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/09/not-bad-obama-only-has-7-major-flip.html)
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NOT BAD... Obama Only Has 7 Major Flip Flops At First Debate
1.) Barack Obama said he "immediately and forcefully" condemned Russia for invading Georgia.
[youtube=425,350]l93Pd96BL20[/youtube]
Obama is not telling the truth. He did not immediately, forcefully, condemn Russia for invading Georgia. Not at all.
2.) Obama said Former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger supported his plan to talk with rogue regime leaders without preconditions.
Then Obama tried to parse his words suggesting that "preparations" were the same as "preconditions." Not true- Henry Kissinger responded immediately after the debate.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2008/09/tws_exclusive_kissinger_unhapp.asp
3.) Obama said he supported offshore drilling. During the primary, Obama was against offshore drilling. In August he said he may change his mind.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/08/01/obama-shifts-on-oil-drilling/
4.) Obama said he supported nuclear energy. Not true- His preconditions make it impossible to expand nuclear energy at this time.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121296676181055711.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
5.) Last night Barack Obama said he was in favor of missile defense systems.
[youtube=425,350]NP06C37o35Q[/youtube]
Again, just not true.
(more...) (http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2008/09/not-bad-obama-only-has-7-major-flip.html)
hi5 for finding that, Chris.