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Dummy Island Exploding over No Indictment in Garner Case
« on: December 03, 2014, 03:41:27 PM »
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No Charges in Eric Garner Chokehold Case for Officer

A Staten Island grand jury has voted not to bring criminal charges against the white New York City police officer at the center of the Eric Garner case, a person briefed on the matter said Wednesday.

The decision was reached on Wednesday after months of testimony including from the officer, Daniel Pantaleo, who used a chokehold to restrain Mr. Garner, who died after a confrontation. It came less than two weeks after a grand jury in Ferguson, Mo., declined to bring charges against a white officer who fatally shot an unarmed black teenager, Michael Brown.

For days, the New York City Police Department has been readying for a new round of protests, which began in the city after the Ferguson decision and which were expected to continue and possibly grow if the grand jury declined to bring charges against the officer.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/04/nyregion/no-charges-in-eric-garner-chokehold-case-for-officer.html?_r=0


This could have all been avoided without nanny-state regulations.  Liberals placed heavy taxes on cigarettes in New York, which causes people to purchase them out of state, and attempt to sell them on the streets back home in NY.  Conclusion: Dummies killed Garner.

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3. Will this be the straw on the camel?

Pretty amazing. Wasn't this over cigarettes?

Sigh!

Yes... and regulations that your liberal gods helped enact. 

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4. I knew a Staten Island Grand Jury would not indict.

Feds need to come in.

Save us Eric Holder!!

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6. It's legal for police to murder black people. Garner's death was ruled a homicide. nt


You're an idiot.

In an honesty, I thought the chokehold was excessive, even with Garner resisting arrest.   
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Re: Dummy Island Exploding over No Indictment in Garner Case
« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2014, 03:48:14 PM »
Once again the DUmmies fail to grasp the obvious. This would have all been unnecessary if there hadn't been a crime being committed in the first place.
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Re: Dummy Island Exploding over No Indictment in Garner Case
« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2014, 03:49:31 PM »
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the problem here lay with a couple things
1) while the chokehold is forbidden by the NYPD it is not illegal
2) Garner had a number of pre-existing medical conditions that contributed to his death (both the NYC and independent ME agreed on this).

Despite that, he probably should have been charged with aggravated assault, and involuntary manslaughter (criminally negligent homicide), as the death was ruled a homicide by the ME.
Officer Pantaleo has been stripped of his badge and gun. I fully expect that the NYPD will bring charges against him, which will force him out of the NYPD, causing him to lose his pension, benefits.

This case also has hastened the wearing of cameras by NYPD officers, which I support.

I also support the broken windows law enforcement. This incident happened while Garner was selling 'loosies', something that was complained about by local businessmen in the area where Garner died. That is the basis of the 'broken windows' policy. Keep the small crimes down, and it will help keep the bigger ones down too. It started under Mayor Dinkins during Commissioner Bratton's first go around as NYPD commissioner. It is what started the decline of crime in NYC.

Broken windows, goes after even the petty criminals after the crime has been committed. which is FAR different from the stop and frisk, which tried to stop crimes before they were committed, which is really impossible.

This Dummy seems slightly rational.  Obviously still a Dummy, but he/she can at least grasp some of the f acts. 
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Re: Dummy Island Exploding over No Indictment in Garner Case
« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2014, 03:55:31 PM »
Quote from: txradioguy on December 03, 2014, 03:48:14 PM
Once again the DUmmies fail to grasp the obvious. This would have all been unnecessary if there hadn't been a crime being committed in the first place.
or if garner hadn't resisted arrest once caught.
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Re: Dummy Island Exploding over No Indictment in Garner Case
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2014, 04:04:39 PM »
Quote from: DLR Pyro on December 03, 2014, 03:55:31 PM
Once again the DUmmies fail to grasp the obvious. This would have all been unnecessary if there hadn't been a crime being committed in the first place.

or if garner hadn't resisted arrest once caught.
Way to much commonsense.
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Re: Dummy Island Exploding over No Indictment in Garner Case
« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2014, 04:32:14 PM »
Quote from: txradioguy on December 03, 2014, 03:48:14 PM
Once again the DUmmies fail to grasp the obvious. This would have all been unnecessary if there hadn't been a crime being committed in the first place.

They know the truth but it doesn't fit their agenda, so they choose to ignore it.
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Re: Dummy Island Exploding over No Indictment in Garner Case
« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2014, 05:14:40 PM »
This one probably won't generate as much outrage at the DUmp.

St. Skittles was drilled while trying to beat a white Hispanic to death.

St. Swisher was drilled while trying to beat a white cop to death.

This fat guy in New York was selling untaxed cigarettes. Tobacco has no DUmp cred.

If he'd been selling crack or weed, the DUmp would be exploding a hell of a lot more.
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Re: Dummy Island Exploding over No Indictment in Garner Case
« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2014, 05:19:33 PM »
Dummy Island Exploding over No Indictment in Garner Case

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Re: Dummy Island Exploding over No Indictment in Garner Case
« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2014, 05:41:18 PM »
The 'Shouldn't have been illegal in the first place or it wouldn't have happened,' like Hannity was bellowing today, is really a non sequitur.  If it was their normal level of force for nonviolent offenders, is that how they handle people who want to argue about parking tickets or other petty offenses with the State as the only victim?  The guy was committing a revenue violation, a pretty trivial one at that, the level of force was pretty disproportionate to the situation and I can see how the people already pissed at the cops would be sent into orbit on this one.

Of course in the People's Democratic Paradise of New York, there is nothing more serious than a revenue violation, since it threatens the Great Mother State.
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Re: Dummy Island Exploding over No Indictment in Garner Case
« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2014, 05:55:20 PM »
The fat guy wasn't wrestled to the ground for selling illegal cigarettes.

He was wrestled to the ground for resisting arrest and fighting with officers who were trying to handcuff him.

When you resist arrest you should expect to receive as much physical force as necessary to complete the arrest.

The original offense becomes irrelevant when you begin to fight the police.

The cops can't be required to take a criminal's medical history before the arrest.
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Re: Dummy Island Exploding over No Indictment in Garner Case
« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2014, 05:59:37 PM »
Quote from: DumbAss Tanker on December 03, 2014, 05:41:18 PM
The 'Shouldn't have been illegal in the first place or it wouldn't have happened,' like Hannity was bellowing today, is really a non sequitur.  If it was their normal level of force for nonviolent offenders, is that how they handle people who want to argue about parking tickets or other petty offenses with the State as the only victim?  The guy was committing a revenue violation, a pretty trivial one at that, the level of force was pretty disproportionate to the situation and I can see how the people already pissed at the cops would be sent into orbit on this one.

Of course in the People's Democratic Paradise of New York, there is nothing more serious than a revenue violation, since it threatens the Great Mother State.

I only raised that point because Dummies want a nanny state, but then bitch and whine about the consequences of the nanny state.  There's no reason for a box of ciggs to cost 15 dollars an hour.  But nanny-staters tax the hell out of ciggs in New York.  As a result of this ridiculous taxation, people are now bringing in ciggs out of a state to try and make a profit. 

At the end of the day, Garner should not have resisted arrest.
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Re: Dummy Island Exploding over No Indictment in Garner Case
« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2014, 06:01:38 PM »
Quote from: GOBUCKS on December 03, 2014, 05:55:20 PM
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The cops can't be required to take a criminal's medical history before the arrest.

I'd take that a step further and say it is the criminal's responsibility to be aware of their known health limitations and make sure they don't do anything to cause these limitations to be exceeded.  In the case of garner, getting in a fight with 4 or 5 COPS was something to push his medical limitations past the redline position.
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Re: Dummy Island Exploding over No Indictment in Garner Case
« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2014, 06:55:30 PM »
Quote from: DumbAss Tanker on December 03, 2014, 05:41:18 PM
The 'Shouldn't have been illegal in the first place or it wouldn't have happened,' like Hannity was bellowing today, is really a non sequitur.  If it was their normal level of force for nonviolent offenders, is that how they handle people who want to argue about parking tickets or other petty offenses with the State as the only victim?  The guy was committing a revenue violation, a pretty trivial one at that, the level of force was pretty disproportionate to the situation and I can see how the people already pissed at the cops would be sent into orbit on this one.

Of course in the People's Democratic Paradise of New York, there is nothing more serious than a revenue violation, since it threatens the Great Mother State.

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Re: Dummy Island Exploding over No Indictment in Garner Case
« Reply #13 on: December 03, 2014, 07:05:55 PM »
Quote from: GOBUCKS on December 03, 2014, 05:55:20 PM
The fat guy wasn't wrestled to the ground for selling illegal cigarettes.

He was wrestled to the ground for resisting arrest and fighting with officers who were trying to handcuff him.

When you resist arrest you should expect to receive as much physical force as necessary to complete the arrest.

The original offense becomes irrelevant when you begin to fight the police.

The cops can't be required to take a criminal's medical history before the arrest.

Cool story, bro.  He was being mildly uncooperative and never swung at them nor tried to grapple with them.
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Re: Dummy Island Exploding over No Indictment in Garner Case
« Reply #14 on: December 03, 2014, 07:07:46 PM »
He was just a gentle giant.
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Re: Dummy Island Exploding over No Indictment in Garner Case
« Reply #15 on: December 03, 2014, 07:22:25 PM »
I guess now we have St. Marlboro.

Anyone who commits a crime and then refuses to be handcuffed should expect to be on the ground very quickly.

 
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Re: Dummy Island Exploding over No Indictment in Garner Case
« Reply #16 on: December 03, 2014, 07:33:55 PM »
Not worry, Eric Holder and Loretta Lynching are on the case.
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Re: Dummy Island Exploding over No Indictment in Garner Case
« Reply #17 on: December 03, 2014, 07:38:45 PM »
Just like Zimmerman and Wilson, federal charges will be impossible.

How the hell will Holder/Lynch show racial animus?
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Re: Dummy Island Exploding over No Indictment in Garner Case
« Reply #18 on: December 03, 2014, 08:15:08 PM »
Quote from: HawkHogan on December 03, 2014, 07:38:45 PM
Just like Zimmerman and Wilson, federal charges will be impossible.

How the hell will Holder/Lynch show racial animus?

I wouldn't bet the rent on that.  Holder's DOJ could very easily decide to go after the NYPD as a whole on a 'Disparate impact' basis.  They haven't been shy about using that BS to count coup in racial politics issues before. 
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Re: Dummy Island Exploding over No Indictment in Garner Case
« Reply #19 on: December 03, 2014, 08:35:36 PM »
There was no major unrest in New York despite a video. I suspec the news media showed parts of it, not the whole thing.

With Eric Garner, Obama’s body camera argument just took a big hit
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2014/12/03/obamas-body-camera-argument-just-took-a-big-hit/
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Re: Dummy Island Exploding over No Indictment in Garner Case
« Reply #20 on: December 03, 2014, 11:45:04 PM »
Quote from: JakeStyle on December 03, 2014, 07:07:46 PM
He was just a gentle giant.
He was a Dazzling Urbanite in the wrong place at the wrong time trying to suck wind.
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« Reply #21 on: December 04, 2014, 12:10:27 AM »
Quote from: Donpeyote on December 03, 2014, 11:45:04 PM
He was a Dazzling Urbanite in the wrong place at the wrong time trying to suck wind.

He was an extremely overweight criminal that thought his bulk would intimidate the police.  He rolled the dice and lost.
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« Reply #22 on: December 04, 2014, 12:20:30 AM »
Wow...that meme is growing legs.

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Re: Dummy Island Exploding over No Indictment in Garner Case
« Reply #23 on: December 04, 2014, 12:26:18 AM »
‘Really taking it to the man:’ NYC protesters shut down all lanes of West Side highway; arrests underway [photos, Vine]
http://twitchy.com/2014/12/03/really-taking-it-to-the-man-nyc-protesters-shut-down-all-lanes-of-west-side-highway-arrests-underway-photos-vine/

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Re: Dummy Island Exploding over No Indictment in Garner Case
« Reply #24 on: December 04, 2014, 08:40:36 AM »
"I can't breathe.."   :whatever:

I have a challenge for you DUmmies... Hold your breath, and then try to say something. Let me know how well that works. 

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