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Fatal hammer attack on Bosnian immigrant not racially motivated, St. Louis polic
« on: December 01, 2014, 08:33:53 PM »
Fatal hammer attack on Bosnian immigrant not racially motivated, St. Louis police say
http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/motorist-beaten-to-death-by-several-juveniles-with-hammers-teens/article_9f15bf49-c8b7-5bc3-8671-ac291f666084.html

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UPDATED at 4:25 p.m. with charges

ST. LOUIS • A 17-year-old St. Louis man has been charged with first-degree murder and armed criminal action in the bludgeoning death of a Bosnian immigrant.

Police say Robert Mitchell along with two other teens, both juveniles, attacked the 32-year-old man with hammers early Sunday. He was pronounced dead at a hospital. Mitchell and one of the juveniles are black and the other teen is Hispanic, according to police.

A police spokeswoman said investigators do not believe race played a role in the bludgeoning death of a Bosnian immigrant early Sunday, but declined to say what authorities believe is the motive in the killing.

The victim, Zemir Begic, is a Bosnian immigrant and possibly a Muslim.

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But detectives do not believe Begic's Bosnian heritage or the color of his skin served as a motive in any way, police spokeswoman Schron Jackson said.

I call BS on this one.  :bs: I suspect that Michael Brown could be a factor here.
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Re: Fatal hammer attack on Bosnian immigrant not racially motivated, St. Louis polic
« Reply #1 on: December 01, 2014, 08:42:30 PM »
They first attacked his car for no reason other than he was white.
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Re: Fatal hammer attack on Bosnian immigrant not racially motivated, St. Louis polic
« Reply #2 on: December 01, 2014, 09:03:35 PM »
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Nothing from the New York Slime.  :mental:
« Last Edit: December 02, 2014, 12:18:51 AM by franksolich »
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Re: Fatal hammer attack on Bosnian immigrant not racially motivated, St. Louis polic
« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2014, 12:13:08 AM »
They saw a white man in "their" neighborhood and attacked him.
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Re: Fatal hammer attack on Bosnian immigrant not racially motivated, St. Louis polic
« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2014, 12:24:29 AM »
Balkanization has winners , beware ... :popcorn:
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Re: Fatal hammer attack on Bosnian immigrant not racially motivated, St. Louis polic
« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2014, 01:38:48 AM »
Of course....
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Re: Fatal hammer attack on Bosnian immigrant not racially motivated, St. Louis polic
« Reply #6 on: December 02, 2014, 07:00:04 AM »
A more modern day Reginald Denny. If a black attempts murder of a white in "protest" every effort is made to justify it, minimize or excuse it.
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Re: Fatal hammer attack on Bosnian immigrant not racially motivated, St. Louis polic
« Reply #7 on: December 02, 2014, 08:03:55 PM »
Quote from: obumazombie on December 02, 2014, 07:00:04 AM
A more modern day Reginald Denny. If a black attempts murder of a white in "protest" every effort is made to justify it, minimize or excuse it.
But let a White CCW/CHL/CWP holder be attacked by a Mob (Of Dazzling Urbanite Gangster Brats) and he shoots his way out of certain death ( Killing 3 and wounding 7 ) There would be a Nationwide push (Including the Feds) to suspend all CCW/CHL/CWP in America .
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Re: Fatal hammer attack on Bosnian immigrant not racially motivated, St. Louis polic
« Reply #8 on: December 02, 2014, 11:11:17 PM »
St. Louis’ Bosnian community sees hammer murder as hate crime
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/12/02/where-outrage-st-louis-bosnian-community-sees-hammer-murder-as-hate-crime/?intcmp=trending

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Insistence by St. Louis officials that the beating death of a Bosnian man was not a hate crime is being met with skepticism and anger, according to leaders of the city's 70,000-strong Bosnian community, and the victim's brother is calling on authorities to "investigate every possible motive."

Zemir Begic, a 32-year-old man who emigrated from war-torn Bosnia almost two decades ago in search of a better life, was bludgeoned to death Sunday, allegedly by a group of hammer-wielding teenagers, one of whom has been charged as an adult. Begic was driving with his fiancee, Arijana Mujkanovic, and a male passenger at about 1:15 a.m. Sunday in St. Louis when five teenagers began pounding his vehicle with a hammer, according to police. When Begic confronted them, he was struck in the mouth, face, head and body with hammers and died at a nearby hospital.

"Zemir was a good person who would have given you the clothes off his back," his 20-year-old brother, Rasim Begic, told FoxNews.com Tuesday. "He never had any problems with anyone."

This sounds like a hate crime and no I am no fan of hate crime laws.
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Re: Fatal hammer attack on Bosnian immigrant not racially motivated, St. Louis polic
« Reply #9 on: December 02, 2014, 11:49:19 PM »
Quote from: Ptarmigan on December 02, 2014, 11:11:17 PM
St. Louis’ Bosnian community sees hammer murder as hate crime
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2014/12/02/where-outrage-st-louis-bosnian-community-sees-hammer-murder-as-hate-crime/?intcmp=trending

This sounds like a hate crime and no I am no fan of hate crime laws.

The biggest problem with hate crime laws is that they are aimed at protecting certain groups, and are not applied where hate really exists.
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Re: Fatal hammer attack on Bosnian immigrant not racially motivated, St. Louis polic
« Reply #10 on: December 02, 2014, 11:51:33 PM »
Quote from: thundley4 on December 02, 2014, 11:49:19 PM
The biggest problem with hate crime laws is that they are aimed at protecting certain groups, and are not applied where hate really exists.

I can't think of many crimes that aren't hateful.
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Re: Fatal hammer attack on Bosnian immigrant not racially motivated, St. Louis polic
« Reply #11 on: December 03, 2014, 12:18:55 AM »
Quote from: obumazombie on December 02, 2014, 11:51:33 PM
I can't think of many crimes that aren't hateful.

Many muggings are crimes of opportunity, however a hate crime by the left's definition mean's that a minority was targeted by a white.
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Re: Fatal hammer attack on Bosnian immigrant not racially motivated, St. Louis polic
« Reply #12 on: December 03, 2014, 10:24:59 AM »
Total crap, not fooling anybody but the press and the White House, who want to be fooled about it.
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Re: Fatal hammer attack on Bosnian immigrant not racially motivated, St. Louis polic
« Reply #13 on: December 04, 2014, 12:32:53 AM »
Quote from: thundley4 on December 03, 2014, 12:18:55 AM
Many muggings are crimes of opportunity, however a hate crime by the left's definition mean's that a minority was targeted by a white.

Kinda like when the mafia has to mug, rob, hit or otherwise hurt someone...it's nothing personal.
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Re: Fatal hammer attack on Bosnian immigrant not racially motivated, St. Louis polic
« Reply #14 on: December 04, 2014, 07:39:42 AM »
This Ferguson thing is beginning to shape up just like Obama and Holder hoped it would.....a race war.
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Re: Fatal hammer attack on Bosnian immigrant not racially motivated, St. Louis polic
« Reply #15 on: December 04, 2014, 11:13:23 PM »
The community agitator has the whole country in a severe case of agitation.
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Re: Fatal hammer attack on Bosnian immigrant not racially motivated, St. Louis polic
« Reply #16 on: December 05, 2014, 12:06:48 PM »
Quote from: thundley4 on December 02, 2014, 11:49:19 PM
The biggest problem with hate crime laws is that they are aimed at protecting certain groups, and are not applied where hate really exists.

My problem with hate crimes is that it criminalizes thought, not action. How can you prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, what someone was thinking? Just like OZ said, most crimes, and especially violent crimes, are hateful. You engage in them based upon your hate, whether it is hate of society, hate of financial situation, etc.
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Re: Fatal hammer attack on Bosnian immigrant not racially motivated, St. Louis polic
« Reply #17 on: December 05, 2014, 08:59:40 PM »
Quote from: docstew on December 05, 2014, 12:06:48 PM
My problem with hate crimes is that it criminalizes thought, not action. How can you prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, what someone was thinking? Just like OZ said, most crimes, and especially violent crimes, are hateful. You engage in them based upon your hate, whether it is hate of society, hate of financial situation, etc.

I agree with that, but it seems the burden o proof for hate crimes is much lower when a minority is the victims, than when a white person is the victim. 

I don't think I heard about any of the Knock Out game perps being charged with a hate crime.
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