Primitives Show off their Forensic Brilliance

[landofconfusion80]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025403725

uponit7771 (20,291 posts)

So Far, the autopsy is damning to officer Darren Wilson.. all shots from the front

 The autopsy is damning to the officer...

Proves NO DOUBT that the bullets came from the FRONT of brown and not the back

There are only TWO TIMES in the incident that the FPD or \ and witness's say Brown COULD have been facing the officer
 
1. While near truck
2. While 35 feet away WITH HANDS IN THE AIR

Remember, Mike Browns hands were in the air BEFORE he turned to face the officer...
 
The shots on MBs right are are consistent with a hands in the air angle unless the bullets fired were magic bullets and just got him at the correct angle.
 
MBs hands were in the air while being shot by Darren Wilson...

Kept me up for second...

Anyone see a different perspective?

tia

Wait, I thought he was shot in the back? What does that matter when you live in a world of fantasy?

AngryOldDem (9,542 posts)

2. No, there is no other perspective or conclusion.

But that still doesn't mean that justice will ultimately be done.

Brown was clearly not in a threatening position.

Charging somebody is obviously not a threatening position.  Bears charging at you aren't a threat either.

MohRokTah (3,379 posts)

3. First degree murder.

Definitely. No doubt about it. This is premeditated murder in the first degree.

There's a zero tolerance policy in MO for people walking down the middle of the street, they should've known better.

FarPoint (3,331 posts)

5. Okay.... I went to Late Breaking News Forum.

Now watching news.....I'm getting with the program.

lol....no. no you're not.

mythology (1,780 posts)

8. Would those be the same witnesses who said he was shot in the back?

The autopsy, based on what's currently released, doesn't prove anything one way or another as to whether a struggle over the gun ensued. It also doesn't prove how far away Brown was since they didn't have access to his clothing to test that for gun shot residue.
 
Another reason his hands could have been raised was due to an ongoing struggle over the gun.
 
Even the medical examiner doesn't think that this autopsy is the final word.

“This one here looks like his head was bent downward,” he said, indicating the wound at the very top of Mr. Brown’s head. “It can be because he’s giving up, or because he’s charging forward at the officer.”
 
He stressed that his information does not assign blame or justify the shooting.

“We need more information; for example, the police should be examining the automobile to see if there is gunshot residue in the police car,” he said.
 
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/18/us/michael-brown-autopsy-shows-he-was-shot-at-least-6-times.html?_r=0

There vil be no facts in zees thread! Mythology is now on the clock. How long until the pizza delivery I wonder?

BklnDem75 (2,459 posts)

20. Was he charging or was he struggling with the gun?

Charging means distance, struggling means no distance. No bullets in the back only means the witnesses were wrong about Michael actually getting hit by the shots made by Wilson. Michael's reaction to getting shot at would make any reasonable person believe he got hit. Wilson still shot at a fleeing suspect.

Those witnesses are lying liars!!!

Fred Drum (43 posts)

17. i think a shot in the back would be more damning

although, if they do the trajectories and you have bullet(s) going through his arm and into his head
 
i'd say his hands were up

Translation: "Hey guys, we really need to get a cohesive narrative here or people won't believe us.

maced666 (279 posts)

26. All from the front? Sorry. Not what witnesses

Reported. Multiple eye witnesses report him shot in back as he was on knees surrendering. Did these people lie?! ALL of them?

speaking of magic bullets.... that autopsy result was clearly incorrect!

[DumbAss Tanker]

maced666 (279 posts)

26. All from the front? Sorry. Not what witnesses

Reported. Multiple eye witnesses report him shot in back as he was on knees surrendering. Did these people lie?! ALL of them?

Apparently so, which is not too surprising since one of them was his co-felon and the rest are hood rats looking to stir up some shit against the police and likely either weren't even there and/or have nice rap sheets themselves. 

It's kind of hard to get shot in the arms when your hands are over your head since the cops are going to aim for center of mass, or to keep your head down with your hands raised, though forensic analysis of the wound tracks will tell a lot more when that gets done.

[BlueStateSaint]

Apparently so, which is not too surprising since one of them was his co-felon and the rest are hood rats looking to stir up some shit against the police and likely either weren't even there and/or have nice rap sheets themselves. 

It's kind of hard to get shot in the arms when your hands are over your head since the cops are going to aim for center of mass, or to keep your head down with your hands raised, though forensic analysis of the wound tracks will tell a lot more when that gets done.

Forensics don't lie.  Witnesses do.

[DefiantSix]

Forensics don't lie.  Witnesses and DUmbshits who were never there do.

Fixt 'er for ya.

[Carl]

They are so hell bent on having a race war it is sickening.
Not a one of them gives a rats ass about the perp,they just think it will be the kick start to the undoing of the capitalist world they despise for not serving them all their wishes on a silver platter.

The one positive is that whatever the outrage of the moment at the DUmp is,the sane and civilized world sees things completely opposite.

[SVPete]

There are only TWO TIMES in the incident that the FPD or \ and witness's say Brown COULD have been facing the officer
 
1. While near truck
2. While 35 feet away WITH HANDS IN THE AIR

The lack of powder burns/residue on Brown precludes the "possibility" (#1.) that Brown was shot at close range - the hits in his arm and the hits in his head. Police are trained to aim for the torso. For the officer to hit Brown's arms while they were raised (#2.) would require an incredibly (literally) wild shot when the officer had opportunity to aim carefully. The autopsy results are consistent with the reports that Brown was trying to rush the police officer, who then shot brown in self-defense.

BTW, this autopsy was performed by a ME brought in from NYC by Brown's family.

[zeitgeist]

The DU narrative is falling apart faster than dry cornbread.  Here are two great links:

http://www.ijreview.com/2014/08/168698-eyewitness-recalls-important-detail-background-video-mins-ferguson-shooting/

http://video.foxnews.com/v/3735611688001/second-michael-brown-autopsy-raises-new-questions/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+foxnews%2Fmost-popular+%28Internal+-+Most+Popular+Content%29#sp=show-clips

[landofconfusion80]

Willy Wonka sums up the knowledge of the primitives:

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2pt2-F2j2g[/youtube]

[landofconfusion80]

Beaverhausen (21,140 posts)

61. Pointing a gun at someone and shooting repeatedly is planning

Why else would someone do that?

Self defense never occures to primitives.

Rex (45,430 posts)

56. Could it be possible the bullets to the arm spun him around to face the officer

and then the last two shots hit him in the head...as he was facing the officer?

Such fantasy and whimsy! A theatre major for sure!

badtoworse (5,193 posts)

65. I don't believe the shots were fired from 35 feet

Given the adrenaline, the fact that Brown was likely moving and that the shots were likely fired over a span of a few seconds, six hits at 35 feet seems unlikely to me. I've never been in that situation, so I can't say from experience, but I believe that Brown had to be a lot closer than that to be hit that many times.

Not when you're hitting the broad side of a barn.

[Dori]

I listened to some of the autopsy presser.  The two examiners agreed that two of the wounds are more than likely re-entry wounds, being caused by one bullet.

That would make four shots hitting Brown.

[dutch508]

Have not heard the details of the report.

So, here is my thoughts given the supposed theory and then what I believe happened.

Leftist theory:

Michael Brown was executed laying on the ground by a police officer after being shot in the back. Witness stated the cop shot him point blank executions style pumping bullets into him. After Brown tried to run away and surrender.

What the facts point to so far.

Brown shot 35 feet from police cruiser. Police state officer pursued before giving warning. Witnesses on video state Brown turned around and charged officer. Officer fired hitting Brown six times. All to the front of the torso, but the absence of gunpowder showed they were not fired at close range. Baden also said nothing indicated Brown had been in an altercation. This seems to contradict the statements of Brown’s friend, Dorian Johnson, who said the officer now identified as Darren Wilson grabbed Brown’s neck with one hand and shot him with the other.

“The sheer number of bullets and the way they were scattered all over his body showed this police officer had a brazen disregard for the very people he was supposed to protect in that community,” Benjamin L. Crump, a lawyer for the Brown family who hired Baden, told the Times. “We want to make sure people understand what this case is about: This case is about a police officer executing a young unarmed man in broad daylight.”

The truth doesn't match your theory- change your theory to match the facts...

[GOBUCKS]

I listened to some of the autopsy presser. 

Presser! nadin's influence is everywhere.

[BlueStateSaint]

Presser! nadin's influence is everywhere.

Dutch did not claim to be a 'journo,' so he gets a pass . . .

[landofconfusion80]

cui bono (11,941 posts)

73. You would believe a witness over an autopsy?

This is the autopsy that the family got done, so that should eliminate any fear of a cover up and witnesses are known to sometimes get some of the facts wrong or to create memories that didn't really happen.
 http://www.businessinsider.com/scott-fraser-ted-talk-2012-11

I would say you have to believe the autopsy.

I hope they don't discount Dorian Johnson's account because he said that Brown was shot in the back.

...or his criminal record, or being an accomplice to the crime or...

[franksolich]

So.....this thug, at the age of 18 years, already had fathered three children, probably destined to be on the government dole all their lives.

That's very relevant, betraying the thug had poor impulse control, poor anger management, and a record of doing really stupid, inconsiderate things, causing messes for the rest of us to take care of, clean up.

Damn.

[txradioguy]

Forensics don't lie.  Witnesses do.

These witnesses are about as credible as the "witness" for Treyvon.

[HawkHogan]

Only the Dummies would pretend that this autopsy report is bad for the officer.  The medical examiner was working at the behest of the family and couldn't rule out that the goon was charging the officer.

[GOBUCKS]

So.....this thug, at the age of 18 years, already had fathered three children, probably destined to be on the government dole all their lives.

Thank you, Officer Wilson.

[JohnnyReb]

18 and 3 kids ?????? Hell, the feminazis ought to defend office Wilson for practicing birth control and anti-rape procedures.

[DefiantSix]

They are so hell bent on having a race war it is sickening.
Not a one of them gives a rats ass about the perp,they just think it will be the kick start to the undoing of the capitalist world they despise for not serving them all their wishes on a silver platter.

They want the 'race war' because they're too lazy and chicken shit to pick up a weapon and start the 'class war' they've been itching for for so long.  They'd just as soon let the dirty brown people do their dirty work for them, do all of the bleeding for them, and then they'll walk over the broken bodies and claim victory over the bourgeois capitalist pigs.  (They also appear to suffer from the misguided notion that a willingness to do violence on the part of those dirty brown people is a sufficient substitute for the thoughtful, considered application of focused violence on the part of many of those they oppose. )

[franksolich]

18 and 3 kids ?????? Hell, the feminazis ought to defend office Wilson for practicing birth control and anti-rape procedures.

Our buddyette BainsBane won't dare say it, but this thug looks exactly like the sort of man who's used and abused women, treating them like throwaways, disposables.

But given his race, it's politically incorrect to criticize him, and so our friend won't dare.

[HawkHogan]

Our buddyette BainsBane won't dare say it, but this thug looks exactly like the sort of man who's used and abused women, treating them like throwaways, disposables.

But given his race, it's politically incorrect to criticize him, and so our friend won't dare.

Are you that Michael Brown had 3 kids?  I thought they were just kids in his family that were awarded his scholarships.

[Gina]

maced666 (279 posts)

26. All from the front? Sorry. Not what witnesses

Reported. Multiple eye witnesses report him shot in back as he was on knees surrendering. Did these people lie?! ALL of them?

Does that mean you are going to accept the video taped conversation of the guy telling how he saw the struggle with the cop as valid?

[franksolich]

Are you that Michael Brown had 3 kids?  I thought they were just kids in his family that were awarded his scholarships.

The headline I saw about that--I didn't click the link--said "Michael Brown's three children."

[HawkHogan]

The headline I saw about that--I didn't click the link--said "Michael Brown's three children."

Yeah, I'm not sure on this issue.  Haven't found information one way or another.  I'll see if I can find any more info.