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graham4anything4HC45 (312 posts) Mon May 26, 2014, 09:31 PMIFIF LBJ ran in 1968 and didn't retire, he would have won in the dirtiest race of all time at that time, could have taken Bobby and jeittisoned HHHBobby open run in 72 and 76 Teddy in 80 and 84 Jerry Brown in 88 and 92 Jesse Jackson in 96 and 2000 Anne Richards in 2004 and 2008 Obama (who would have been Anne's VP in 2008)in 2012 and 2016 Deval Patrick in 2020 and 2024 IF only IFs could ocme true
exindy (175 posts) Mon May 26, 2014, 09:39 PM3. LBJ couldn't win. He knew that.Bobby wasn't an option...he was dead. Our best chance for the future of the country was Bobby. When he was assasinated 50,000 americans died with him. And that all laid the foundation for the rise of the beancounters, then Clinton, then Bush, .... And here we are.
graham4anything4HC45 (312 posts) Mon May 26, 2014, 09:45 PM6. Bobby was NOT assured of getting the nomination...it is quite possible HHH would have anyhowand in my scenario Bobby was still alive. Remember, (or look it up if too young)...McCarthy fans were fuming mad that Bobby entered the race and stole Gene's thunder. Gene was sort of Howard Dean of that year.Bobby only entered upon LBJ retiring, he kept indicating he would not run if LBJ didMcCarthy was not going to win Bobby of course died, Ted sulked and 1969 event happened and all 3 Kennedy's were gone from the picture, with Teddy running in 1980 being the one and only time he should not have won(or the least, Teddy should have wrangled the VP under Carter, but there was so much bitterness, look what all that inner party fighting in 1968 did-it allowed so many Republican presidents, none of whom might have won had the chain of events not happened. The country did not turn conservative, the democratic party was at war with itself (much like today's republicans). it's just a damn shame Bush came into power. Even Nixon was strong and smart enough not to name 41 VP, in 1968 and not to name him VP after Agnew resigned or allow Ford to name him VP after the deal was made.Even Nixon knew how bad the Bush's were. But none of it had to happen which is why it is imperative not to allow the repubs especially Jeb to sneak back in.
island4diver (205 posts) Mon May 26, 2014, 09:42 PM4. I don't think LBJ would have wonHe would still have the problem of Wallace splitting the vote in the South.
graham4anything4HC45 (312 posts) Mon May 26, 2014, 09:48 PM9. Do you remember how strong LBJ was. He would have neutralized Wallace, HHH couldn't do that.and LBJ fought as dirty as Nixon. It would have been brutal almost a death match. HHH unfortunately a great man, super to talk to by the way, but he carried all of LBJs baggage, and did not really have any of his own reasons for running, making him a candidate who had a very hard time of winning and he didn't.
smalllivingeddy (100 posts) Mon May 26, 2014, 09:47 PM8. couldn't have happened1) LBJ and Bobby Kennedy hated each other. 2) Hunter Thompson's Fear and Loathing on the Campaign Trail '72 chapter "Can a Bull Elk in Rut pass through the Eye of a Camel" would have applied in spades. It could not have happened. 3) The Democratic Party was so deeply divided, mostly over Vietnam, but also the Dixiecrats were deeply disturbed over the civil rights legislation that Johnson had pushed through, and the conservatives within the party felt the hippies to be repugnant and vice versa. It wasn't close to happening. It wasn't going to happen. Talking that particular "what if" is silly.
graham4anything4HC45 (312 posts) Mon May 26, 2014, 09:50 PM10. JFK and LBJ did not like each other either. They did it to win. So would Bobby have...though who knows, look how childish Teddy was on stage in 1980 avoiding Jimmy Carter(and I myself love Teddy, but admit it was silly of Teddy, and might have helped cost Jimmy the election. Which is why the entire democratic party will be for Hllary in 2016, because they know their history.Everyone else is going for VP and the VP probably already has been picked. Bobby put party first. At least I think he would have. the cause would have made him do it.
TheRalphWiggum (106 posts) Mon May 26, 2014, 09:52 PM11. Ha. Ha. Ha. Almost all that you mentioned were unelectable. The country, for better or worse, prefers to change the party of power on occasion, especially the President. And it often has little to do with the policies they might champion. Interesting fantasy world, though. Thank goodness it never transpired.
Homerj22 (94 posts) Mon May 26, 2014, 09:59 PM12. Can i have some ofthe drugs you are on? Sorry to burst your bubble but reagan was going to be President no matter what. (and thank god he was)
Thanks Frank!
Ah, Graham is back at Discussionist. That guy was something you find on your shoe
Not to pick nits, but Ann Richards died in 2006.
Response to graham4anything4HC45 (Original post)Mon May 26, 2014, 10:22 PMHeyu (556 posts) 20. jury results. AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service On Mon May 26, 2014, 10:11 PM an alert was sent on the following post: IF http://www.discussionist.com/101533289 REASON FOR ALERT This post is uncivil, off-topic, offensive, or otherwise inappropriate. ALERTER'S COMMENTS Hide this before the rest of the world sees it. They are going to think we are all a bunch lunatics. Does anyone know this person? Can we get an intervention? He is obviously in need of treatment for serious mental health issues. If you serve on this jury, post the results and tell this poster we are here for him. We will get him the help he so desperately needs. Don't laugh at him. He could turn dangerous. You served on a randomly-selected Jury of Discussionist members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Mon May 26, 2014, 10:20 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT. Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE Explanation: This is just G4A being his unusual self. He wasn't uncivil, no matter how ridiculous his speculation. Let it stand. Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE Explanation: It's his shtick. I enjoy a good word salad every now and then. Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE Explanation: This is the dumbest alert I have ever seen. Yes Graham is an odd duck and frankly can be annoying, but this alert is the worst alert I have seen.- heyu Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE Explanation: Poster is a well known crazytype person/possible troll. It would have to be based in reality of some sort to be offensive. Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE Explanation: While I completely agree with the alerted that this sort of stupidity shouldn't be tolerated, better to not hide the post and allow this to be handled publicly. Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE Explanation: Huh? Hide it WHY? Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE Explanation: I think alerter should look in the mirror.
ALERTER'S COMMENTS Hide this before the rest of the world sees it. They are going to think we are all a bunch lunatics. Does anyone know this person? Can we get an intervention? He is obviously in need of treatment for serious mental health issues. If you serve on this jury, post the results and tell this poster we are here for him. We will get him the help he so desperately needs. Don't laugh at him. He could turn dangerous.
Hide this before the rest of the world sees it. They are going to think we are all a bunch lunatics.
Whoever wrote that alert was mocking the DUmbasses, and they don't realize it.
Too late.
