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[Dori]

And me- teaching women to become soulless killing machines.

I approve.

Far sight better than the soulless women that kill their unborn and call it a right.

[Mr Mannn]

Tucker, if I guess will you tell me?  We know nothing can come of it.  Perhaps by private message here?  I have a guess. 
Or could you answer one question:  are you known as a pro-2A person on DU?  Or do you keep that kind of quiet? 

Pro gun.

Sucker.

[anti-spelunker]

Oh, that one. Save that bullshit for the DUmp.

It's a simple argument: If it's wrong to say/do it about A, it's wrong to say/do it about B. You don't get a pass because you call yourself "disenfranchised".

It's not "like comparing the Civil Rights movement to the Klan"; it's like comparing the Black Panthers to the Klan.

Was the Civil Rights movement racist?  Was the Suffragette movement sexist?  If not, at what point did collective action for equal rights become "sexist" or "racist"?  What is and isn't appropriate for you?  If women want to get together to discuss childrearing is that okay?  But if they get together to talk about equal pay for equal work it's not?  If they get together to fight for more successful prosecution of rape, is that sexist?   How about working to reduce domestic violence?  Those are all issues that many feminists care about, and for me they are the most important issues.  Don't those issues affect men too?  Surely you don't what your daughters and loved ones to be subject to rape or battery?  Or yourself even, because men too are raped and battered.  

The thing about feminism is that it addresses sexism systemically.  It's not about women vs. men.  Patriarchy creates a series of burdens for men as well?  Why must they bear the burden of war?  Why are men expected to behave in narrowly proscribed ways?  This is one such example:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hc45-ptHMxo

A movement toward equality should free both men and women.  It's not about men losing because women rise.  It's about establishing a more equitable society where everyone shares the responsibilities of work, family, and public service.  

[anti-spelunker]

Why is it the most virulent feminists are the least feminine? Certainly not lady like either.

Complete bullshit. 

[anti-spelunker]

Sucker.

He knows he's safe. He's been there longer than me.  I have no doubt he'd have an easier time getting me bounced that vice versa. 

[Big Dog]

Was the Civil Rights movement racist?  Was the Suffragette movement sexist?  If not, at what point did collective action for equal rights become "sexist" or "racist"?  

"Equal rights" - equality under the law. Not preference for women because you claim "disenfranchisement."

You are a sexist, and now you're just trying to make excuses for yourself.

[anti-spelunker]

Ditto.

I understand how one can have a moral opposition to abortion.  It is a matter of fact, however, that abortion rights have been restricted.  Look at Texas?  Despite being protected by SCOTUS, abortion is now effectively illegal in Texas.  Throughout great swaths of the country it is close to impossible to get an abortion.  You can buy and own a gun everywhere.  

[anti-spelunker]

"Equal rights" - equality under the law. Not preference for women because you claim "disenfranchisement."

You are a sexist, and now you're just trying to make excuses for yourself.

That's not a serious response.  You're smarter than that.  I expect better. 

[Big Dog]

That's not a serious response.  You're smarter than that.  I expect better.  

What you expect is immaterial. I'm already beating your ass on three fronts here, and I haven't even shifted into third gear.

This is my serious response: It's a two-way street. If it is sexist to use the law to favor men at the expense of women, then it is sexist to use the law to favor women at the expense of men. If it is sexist to hire a candidate because he is man, then it is sexist to hire a woman because she is a woman. If it is racist to use the law against Blacks, then it is racist to use the law against Whites.

And I am serious: you are a sexist. You have convinced yourself through the doublespeak of "disenfranchisement" that you are justified, but the fact is that you advocate for legal preferences based on sex, not equality under the law.

[JGHB]

I understand how one can have a moral opposition to abortion.  It is a matter of fact, however, that abortion rights have been restricted.  Look at Texas?  Despite being protected by SCOTUS, abortion is now effectively illegal in Texas.  Throughout great swaths of the country it is close to impossible to get an abortion.  You can buy and own a guy everywhere.  

Can you honestly name one woman who sought to have an abortion and was denied?  It is legal in every state.  It offends the crap out of me, but that's the way it is.  Where is it impossible to get an abortion...name the state, the city.  I don't believe that.

[liana]

Jugs is about to become a "full member".

 

[NHSparky]

Complete bullshit. 

Andrea Dworkin. Carol Hanisch.  Margaret Cho. Naomi Klein. Naomi Wolf.

Yeah, that's some real class there.

[dutch508]

Not manic.  Latent homoseuxality, I wish. 

LOL.
You wish you had gay tendencies? Why, if I may ask?
Yeah we all get depressed from time to time, no biggie.
I won't bother you about guns, I know where you stand. I want to ask you about acadamia. I recently watched a documentary on liberalism and higher education. I would ask you that in your school, in your experiences, what was the ratio and % of democrats to republicans on the faculty?
 I think that if you and I sat down for a drink we would disagree on almost every single point. But, that doesn't mean we couldn't be cordial. Hell, I wouldn't even try to pay the check.

[dutch508]

The emotional trope is a constant refrain for anyone who considers the importance of human lives and not simply the the precious guns.  It's unfounded and itself emotional in that it doesn't deal with any of the concerns I raised having to do with criminals' access to guns, protected by the NRA and the Republican Party. 

Are guns more important than human life? Nope. Is crime already illegal? Yup.

So, you are advocating outlawing a legal thing in order to punish criminals? How does that work again?

(I know... I said I wouldn't ask you about guns...)

[liana]

Are guns more important than human life? Nope. Is crime already illegal? Yup.

So, you are advocating outlawing a legal thing in order to punish criminals? How does that work again?

(I know... I said I wouldn't ask you about guns...)

Somehow that make sense in their bizarro world

:pukes:

[NHSparky]

That's not a serious response.  You're smarter than that.  I expect better. 

Okay, here's a hypothetical for you:

Feminists and liberals (but I repeat myself) love to prattle on about the "equal pay for equal work" canard.  But ask yourself, is it really "equal pay" or "equal work"?  I'm a hiring manager who is looking to fill a position.  Now regardless of the applicant, I'm going to try to employ that person at the lowest possible wage, such is the nature of any business, regardless of the political persuasion of who runs it.

Now who is going to present the better option to me, the person with a steady work history, positions of increasing authority and responsibility, ability to do more of the work the company requires, greater ability to fit what the company needs, less likely to miss work, more likely to stay with the company for a longer time, etc.?

If you said the man, well, now you're just being sexist, aren't you?  Cause both men and women can raise children at home, can't they?

Oh, and which administration currently pays women less than 80 percent of what their male counterparts make?

[Freeper]

I understand how one can have a moral opposition to abortion.  It is a matter of fact, however, that abortion rights have been restricted.  Look at Texas?  Despite being protected by SCOTUS, abortion is now effectively illegal in Texas.  Throughout great swaths of the country it is close to impossible to get an abortion.  You can buy and own a guy everywhere.  

Where is it you can buy and own a guy? I could have sworn owning people was illegal.

[Big Dog]

You can buy and own a guy everywhere.

Where is it you can buy and own a guy? I could have sworn owning people was illegal.

"Dr. Freud. Paging Dr. Freud."

 

[Freeper]

I get sick to death of every "minority" group demanding special rights for themselves. Why is it women can have gyms where no man is allowed, but if men want a club to burp, fart and tell dirty jokes the government says we have to admit women? Why is it a congressional black caucus is allowed, but if anyone wanted a white caucus they would be run out of town? Why is it women can ogle men, but if a man notices a pretty woman he is the devil?

You want equality sister? I'm willing to give it to you I'm more than happy to make you live under the standards you impose on us.

[Freeper]

"Dr. Freud. Paging Dr. Freud."

 

More like DR Howard DR Fine and DR Howard.

[Tucker]

 Despite being protected by SCOTUS,   

Damn. You're trainable after all.

Abortion is protected by the courts, not the constitution.

[dandi]

I think we're missing a very salient point here ...

BB, do you have any boobie shots for us? A tight sweater pic or two will do.

[anti-spelunker]

"Equal rights" - equality under the law. Not preference for women because you claim "disenfranchisement."

You are a sexist, and now you're just trying to make excuses for yourself.

You don't appear to have read what I wrote at all.  I didn't talk about using the law against men.  Unless you are talking about rapists and batterers?  Those laws are targeted at the crime, not the gender.  Surely you are not suggesting there is something wrong with seeing those criminals prosecuted?  85% of killers are male.  Would that make homicide laws sexist?  I'm not sure I'm following your point about using the law against men.  

I talked about reaching better equality that would benefit both men and women to share responsibilities and rights in society.  I talked about how men too are hurt by patriarchy, societal sexism, and provided a link to a video to show it's effects on young boys.  That is all part of a feminist movement that seeks not just rights for women but also shared responsibility with men.  There is nothing that privileges women over men under the law, or seeks to establish such a position.  I understand that feminism has many different manifestations, but I have been clear about what it means to me.  Nothing you have criticized is part of any concept of feminism that I support.  

[Charles Henrickson]

You can buy and own a guy everywhere.

Do you keep one tied up in your basement? I know you're a big guy-control advocate.

[anti-spelunker]

LOL.
You wish you had gay tendencies? Why, if I may ask?
Yeah we all get depressed from time to time, no biggie.
I won't bother you about guns, I know where you stand. I want to ask you about acadamia. I recently watched a documentary on liberalism and higher education. I would ask you that in your school, in your experiences, what was the ratio and % of democrats to republicans on the faculty?
 I think that if you and I sat down for a drink we would disagree on almost every single point. But, that doesn't mean we couldn't be cordial. Hell, I wouldn't even try to pay the check.

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In humanities and the sciences, the vast majority are leftists, either Democrat or to the left.  In business and economics programs, and other similar sorts of programs, you will find many more Republicans.  Social Sciences are primarily Democrats, with the exception of econ, of course.