President Obama is intelligent, thoughtful and engaged. He is not a warmongering

[Freeper]

Star Member Nye Bevan (12,186 posts)

President Obama is intelligent, thoughtful and engaged. He is not a warmongering moron.


 
Exhibit A was the hunt for Bin Laden. I read the book about this and was extremely impressed at how President Obama handled the operation, taking all opposing views into account at every step, getting everybodys' opinions, and thoughtfully and carefully making decisions that were oftem tough but turned out to be correct. A screw-up here would have ruined his re-election chances, so the stakes were high, but he got the job done cleanly and professionally.

If the White House was occupied by a Huckabee, a Gingrich, or (God forbid) a Palin, I would be scared shitless about what is to come in Syria. We are very fortunate, however, that a grown-up is running things.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023534552

 

Gravitycollapse (2,908 posts)
8. The US military is almost exclusively a corporate venture at this point.

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The role of Commander in Chief is more symbolic than anything else at this point.

I see, that way Democrat presidents can be excused for "war mongering", but repuke presidents should be frog marched to The Hague. The poor preezy is just a victim of the mean corporations.

Fumesucker (33,230 posts)
37. The diagnosis of Obama Derangement Syndrome could be more impressive

If the right wingers hadn't remotely diagnosed me with Bush Derangement Syndrome twelve years ago.

Both diagnoses are about as accurate as Dr Frist's diagnosis of Terri Schiavo.

A shout out to our old home maybe? 

Gravitycollapse (2,908 posts)
21. What are the odds that Obama is simply wrong A LOT and there isn't some grand conspiracy...

on this site to displease you?

Damn you must be a grand wizard in the KKK to think that the black preezy is wrong a lot. Freaking racist!

Summer Hathaway (2,500 posts)
27. What are the odds that

a site infested with RW trolls, Libertarians, and shit-disturbers-for-sport have turned DU into an anti-Obama hate site, replete with posts about how Obama is always wrong?

There is no 'grand conspiracy' here. It's just a bunch of suckers being manipulated by trolls, completely unaware that they're being played.

 

Star Member dkf (35,450 posts)
29. I want my money back. I thought I donated $ to a person who was opposed to stupid wars.

Getting involved in Syria is STUPID. How you can define him as "thoughtful" blows my mind. My gut tells me we are being tricked into this war by Al Qaeda types who want to destroy us by having us engaged in endless wars.

Obama is a patsy. I shake my head in disgust.

DU is turning into a regular KKK meeting with all this criticism of 0bama. 

[miskie]

TBH, I believe intervening in Syria is stupid - Neither side is a US ally, so in the end we win via attrition. Also, if one looks at the Obama administration's international track record, one finds that no involvement will certainly produce better results than any involvement. As for the war spilling into Israel - they are more than capable of taking care of themselves if unimpeded.

Which is why I fully expect Obama to get involved in Syria. Bonehead has yet to learn there are scenarios which one cannot community organize or speechify one's way out of.

[98ZJUSMC]

Star Member Nye Bevan (12,186 posts)

President Obama is intelligent, thoughtful and engaged. He is not a warmongering moron.


 
Exhibit A was the hunt for Bin Laden. I read the book about this and was extremely impressed at how President Obama handled the operation, taking all opposing views into account at every step, getting everybodys' opinions, and thoughtfully and carefully making decisions that were oftem tough but turned out to be correct. A screw-up here would have ruined his re-election chances, so the stakes were high, but he got the job done cleanly and professionally.

If the White House was occupied by a Huckabee, a Gingrich, or (God forbid) a Palin, I would be scared shitless about what is to come in Syria. We are very fortunate, however, that a grown-up is running things.

Un - believable.......  Must be a mole.

Gravitycollapse (2,908 posts)
8. The US military is almost exclusively a corporate venture at this point.

Last edited Mon Aug 26, 2013, 03:04 AM USA/ET - Edit history (1)

The role of Commander in Chief is more symbolic than anything else at this point.

You're a friggin' idiot.

[FiddyBeowulf]

TBH, I believe intervening in Syria is stupid - Neither side is a US ally, so in the end we win via attrition. Also, if one looks at the Obama administration's international track record, one finds that no involvement will certainly produce better results than any involvement. As for the war spilling into Israel - they are more than capable of taking care of themselves if unimpeded.

Which is why I fully expect Obama to get involved in Syria. Bonehead has yet to learn there are scenarios which one cannot community organize or speechify one's way out of.

But another foreign conflict we involve ourselves with will distract the press from (or give an excuse for not) covering the horrible economy and the scandals.

[USA4ME]

Summer Hathaway

9. As I posted in another thread ...
 
No matter what Obama does in this matter, it will be the wrong decision.

If he announces doing A, there will twenty OPs within as many minutes yelling that he should have done B. And if he does B - well, you know the drill.

Regardless of his stance, he will be castigated for being spineless and lacking leadership skills at the same time as being decried as an overly-aggressive warmonger who allows no one to stand in his way.

No matter what Obama decides to do, within a week there will endless OPs about how it was the worst decision ever made by any president in the history of the nation.

No Nostradamus here. When it comes to DU, this predictin' stuff is easy.

Replace "Obama" with "Bush" and it sounds like 2001-2009 on the island.

Yes, it is easy to predict things, especially from the keyboard of the drunken NanceGregg. Let's give it a try:

"What Dear Leader does is A-OK (hic), and if Bush had said and (hic) done the exact same thing (hic) it wouldn't be A-OK. It (hic) would have been evil."



There, just summarized every post Nance has made since Dear Leader has been in office.

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[JohnnyReb]

Summer Hathaway Halfwit: Because she's almost half right.

[franksolich]

Summer Hathaway Halfwit: Because she's almost half right.

A man died and went to Heaven.  As he stood in front of St. Peter at the Pearly Gates, he saw a huge wall of clocks behind him.

He asked, "What are all these clocks?"

St. Peter answered, "Those are lie-clocks.  Everyone on earth has a lie-clock.  Every time you lie, the hands on your clock will move."

"Oh," said the man.  "Who's clock is that?"

"That's Mother Teresa's.  The hands have never moved, indicating she's never told a lie."

"Incredible," said the man.  "And whose clock is that one?"

St. Peter responded, "That's Abraham Lincoln's clock.  The hands have moved twice, telling us that he told only two lies in his entire life."

"Where's President 0bama's clock?" asked the man.

"0bama's clock is in Jesus' office; He's using it as a ceiling fan."

^^^not a franksolich original; I found it in a stack of papers near a facsimile machine.

[JohnnyReb]

So, Obama is engaged.......is it to his golf partner what's his name?

[FiddyBeowulf]

So, Obama is engaged.......is it to his golf partner what's his name?

Reggie Love but shhhhhh....it is on the down low until January 2017.

[DumbAss Tanker]

TBH, I believe intervening in Syria is stupid - Neither side is a US ally, so in the end we win via attrition. Also, if one looks at the Obama administration's international track record, one finds that no involvement will certainly produce better results than any involvement. As for the war spilling into Israel - they are more than capable of taking care of themselves if unimpeded.

Which is why I fully expect Obama to get involved in Syria. Bonehead has yet to learn there are scenarios which one cannot community organize or speechify one's way out of.

There is almost no situation that an idiot with the resources to do so cannot make worse once it catches his attention.

[thundley4]

Obama is a SCOAMF.  His foreign policy is nonexistent .  He hasn't been proactive , but reactive to every single thing. He waits for events to decide his actions.

[JohnnyReb]

Obama is a SCOAMF.  His foreign policy is nonexistent .  He hasn't been proactive , but reactive to every single thing. He waits for events to decide his actions.

Sortta like Bill Clinton sticking his finger in the air to see which way the wind is blowing....Obama has R. Love lick his privates then sticks it in the air to see which way the wind is blowing.

The answer my friend is blowing in the wind.

[marv]

Obama is SOOOOOOOO smart, he knew there were 57 states before anybody else did. NOT!

Obama is SOOOOOOOO thoughtful he even called the parents of the murdered Australian student without having been asked. NOT!

Obama is SOOOOOOOO engaged he needs much golf and vacation time to get away from the rigors of being president. NOT!

[Aristotelian]

TBH, I believe intervening in Syria is stupid - Neither side is a US ally, so in the end we win via attrition. Also, if one looks at the Obama administration's international track record, one finds that no involvement will certainly produce better results than any involvement. As for the war spilling into Israel - they are more than capable of taking care of themselves if unimpeded.

Which is why I fully expect Obama to get involved in Syria. Bonehead has yet to learn there are scenarios which one cannot community organize or speechify one's way out of.

Exactly.

I think that we've been getting a ramping up of rhetoric about Syria to give the Rats the excuse to support the conflict when it comes.

[Dori]

Exactly.

I think that we've been getting a ramping up of rhetoric about Syria to give the Rats the excuse to support the conflict when it comes.

Obama and McCain are on the wrong side of this.  We have zero interests in Syria and they have a formidable air force.  Why do we want to start something?  There are many different rebel factions operating there, what if we back the wrong one?

[Aristotelian]

Obama and McCain are on the wrong side of this.  We have zero interests in Syria and they have a formidable air force.  Why do we want to start something?  There are many different rebel factions operating there, what if we back the wrong one?

To my mind they're all the wrong one, they're all Islamist.

[JohnnyReb]

That stick he uses to draw lines in the sand has got to be worn out by now.

[GOBUCKS]

There are many different rebel factions operating there, what if we back the wrong one?

We should gently assist the losing side, until they are winning. Then we should switch sides. Over and over.
The only downside to muzzies killing muzzies is when they stop.

[sybilll]

DU --Bush assessing Saddam using WMD on his own people  Obama assessing Assad's use of WMD on his people 

[Chris_]

Of course.

[BlueStateSaint]

Obama and McCain are on the wrong side of this.  We have zero interests in Syria and they have a formidable air force.  Why do we want to start something?  There are many different rebel factions operating there, what if we back the wrong one?

I could be wrong, but the IAF has done fairly well against their Syrian counterparts in the past.

Syria's going to attack Israel if the US and UK attack.

[98ZJUSMC]

A man died and went to Heaven.  As he stood in front of St. Peter at the Pearly Gates, he saw a huge wall of clocks behind him.

He asked, "What are all these clocks?"

St. Peter answered, "Those are lie-clocks.  Everyone on earth has a lie-clock.  Every time you lie, the hands on your clock will move."

"Oh," said the man.  "Who's clock is that?"

"That's Mother Teresa's.  The hands have never moved, indicating she's never told a lie."

"Incredible," said the man.  "And whose clock is that one?"

St. Peter responded, "That's Abraham Lincoln's clock.  The hands have moved twice, telling us that he told only two lies in his entire life."

"Where's President 0bama's clock?" asked the man.

"0bama's clock is in Jesus' office; He's using it as a ceiling fan."

^^^not a franksolich original; I found it in a stack of papers near a facsimile machine.

    

[98ZJUSMC]

I could be wrong, but the IAF has done fairly well against their Syrian counterparts in the past.

Syria's going to attack Israel if the US and UK attack.

I read that.

Bad. Mistake.

Very bad.

[BlueStateSaint]

I read that.

Bad. Mistake.

Very bad.

I know, but remember that they've got the Saudis against them.  The Saudis may turn out to be 'neutral.'

[DumbAss Tanker]

I could be wrong, but the IAF has done fairly well against their Syrian counterparts in the past.

Syria's going to attack Israel if the US and UK attack.

Israel's air incursions are either around the edges or rare special operations against very high value targets, they don't really have unrestricted freedom of maneuver over Syrian airspace.  The Syrian Air Force isn't much of a threat to us or the Israelis, but their air defense systems are.

I think if the Israelis actually believed that taking down Assad and replacing him with AQ-backed rebels was such a great idea, they'd be funneling support to the rebels wholesale right now, which doesn't seem to be happening.  That should tell us something, but nobody wants to see it.

Syria will ultimately retaliate against somebody, somehow, but it probably won't be immediate or direct, due to them being kind of busy right now.  Wouldn't you in their shoes?  Wargame it out from their point of view - you get attacked by outside powers toward whom you taken no hostile action, would you not want to deliver some stellar payback at the earliest good opportunity?  Of course you would.  This is so obvious it's more like an 'Action - Reaction' matter than even a 'Law of Unintended Consequences' one.

eta - I hear the Brits say they are willing to play too, however the PM was smart enough to hedge it with 'Under agreed UN sanctions regime' lingo.  Obozo may be cunning enough to figure out there is an 'out' for him in this if he goes the same way, and it gets bogged down for another year in the UN, but then again he may enough of an arrogant blunderer to decide to go it alone, like a giant lethal Executive Order.