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The Supreme Court has struck down a federal provision denying benefits to legally married gay couples.

The 5-4 decision found the Defense of Marriage Act unconstitutional.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/06/26/supreme-court-strikes-down-defense-marriage-act-provision/


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Re: Supreme Court strikes down Defense of Marriage Act provision
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2013, 09:41:52 AM »
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Re: Supreme Court strikes down Defense of Marriage Act provision
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2013, 09:42:41 AM »
This doesn't surprise me at all. Kennedy has often sided with the gay rights movement. In some ways this is good in that it puts the right to marry in the hands of the states but it also opens up a can of worms when those rights come into conflict. It's going to get messy but the pro homosexual crowd wouldn't have it any other way.
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Re: Supreme Court strikes down Defense of Marriage Act provision
« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2013, 09:43:50 AM »
Yep, FlaGator.  The divorce industry will make a killing.
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Re: Supreme Court strikes down Defense of Marriage Act provision
« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2013, 09:46:57 AM »
This whole pandering to what 1 or 2% of the population and in the meanwhile destroying what's left of the moral fiber that made this country so great is disgusting.   :banghead:
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Re: Supreme Court strikes down Defense of Marriage Act provision
« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2013, 09:48:16 AM »
No big surprise here.
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Re: Supreme Court strikes down Defense of Marriage Act provision
« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2013, 09:53:29 AM »
I do not support gay marriage, but it should be a state issue. Last time I checked, marriage is not a right. I have no problems if gays want to have civil unions. I consider gay marriage a very low priority issue for me.
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Re: Supreme Court strikes down Defense of Marriage Act provision
« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2013, 09:54:52 AM »
Put this week's decision together, and you have a pretty strong federalism streak measured out by SCOTUS.

The decision should belong to the states.
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Re: Supreme Court strikes down Defense of Marriage Act provision
« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2013, 09:55:20 AM »
And with that decision, two pillars of the Clenis' presidential legacy are gone- leaving him with nothing but impeachment.

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Re: Supreme Court strikes down Defense of Marriage Act provision
« Reply #10 on: June 26, 2013, 10:01:38 AM »
So what's next?  Bigamy?
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Re: Supreme Court strikes down Defense of Marriage Act provision
« Reply #11 on: June 26, 2013, 10:02:10 AM »
From twitter, and I kinda agree:

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Love that lately SCOTUS has basically told US citizens, "Elect better people. Stop crying to us on everything.
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Re: Supreme Court strikes down Defense of Marriage Act provision
« Reply #12 on: June 26, 2013, 10:04:57 AM »
So what's next?  Bigamy?

If your state legalizes bigamy, then yeah.
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Re: Supreme Court strikes down Defense of Marriage Act provision
« Reply #13 on: June 26, 2013, 10:06:49 AM »
So what's next?  Bigamy?

Bigamy and on it's heels with be pedophilia, incest and bestiality (in no particular order).
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Re: Supreme Court strikes down Defense of Marriage Act provision
« Reply #14 on: June 26, 2013, 10:07:01 AM »
Also--other good news. The SCOTUS couldn't find five votes saying that gay marriage is a constitutionally protected right.

At least not yet...
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Re: Supreme Court strikes down Defense of Marriage Act provision
« Reply #15 on: June 26, 2013, 10:08:34 AM »
From twitter, and I kinda agree:

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Love that lately SCOTUS has basically told US citizens, "Elect better people. Stop crying to us on everything.

That is why we have so many incumbents running for decades.
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Re: Supreme Court strikes down Defense of Marriage Act provision
« Reply #16 on: June 26, 2013, 10:11:53 AM »
Also--other good news. The SCOTUS couldn't find five votes saying that gay marriage is a constitutionally protected right.

At least not yet...

Just wait a couple of years.
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Re: Supreme Court strikes down Defense of Marriage Act provision
« Reply #17 on: June 26, 2013, 10:14:27 AM »
So what's next?  Bigamy?

The Polygimists and the Pedophiles will file their legal briefs next.
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Re: Supreme Court strikes down Defense of Marriage Act provision
« Reply #18 on: June 26, 2013, 10:16:03 AM »
Just wait a couple of years.

True, but TODAY, there are not 5 votes, or else that's exactly what would've happened.
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Re: Supreme Court strikes down Defense of Marriage Act provision
« Reply #19 on: June 26, 2013, 10:33:18 AM »
The legal redefinition of marriage means the loss of freedom to express and to act according to beliefs at odds with the gay agenda; more ominously, it will grant to the state an enormous and unprecedented power for remaking society according to its own designs. Marriage properly understood is an essential prerequisite for stable, healthy families. Societies throughout history and across the world have learned this from experience, and modern sociological research, despite the barrage of propaganda to the contrary, bears it out.

While marriage opponents will no doubt point to individual A or person B as an exception, we know that, on average, children raised in traditional monogamous marriages with both father and mother do better in school, are less likely to be criminals or drug-addicted, have fewer mental and emotional problems, are less likely to commit suicide, and on and on. families are, along with organized religion, the most important "mediating institutions" between the individual and the state. Mediating institutions are groups of people large and small that help serve as a check on the government, and provide individuals with a way of influencing the state much more effectively than they can do on their own.

These independent sources of authority are essential to the preservation of liberty: without them the behemoth of the state would easily crush the lone citizen. That's why totalitarians of every stripe make the subjugation or even destruction of these institutions (especially the family and organized religion) a top priority. Giving the state the power to manipulate, redefine and hence to unmake such essential protectors of freedom must necessarily lead to an ever more powerful state, and an ever smaller place for individual liberty.
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Re: Supreme Court strikes down Defense of Marriage Act provision
« Reply #20 on: June 26, 2013, 10:42:46 AM »
So what's next?  Bigamy?

Why not?  The essence of this ruling is that the States must recognize any marriage, and did so with a ghey marriage that was executed in Canada.  The very next step will be for a Yemeni man to say, "see this? You have to recognize this marriage between this woman and that other woman; what is the difference between that marriage, and mine between me and my four wives".
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Re: Supreme Court strikes down Defense of Marriage Act provision
« Reply #21 on: June 26, 2013, 10:43:52 AM »
The Polygimists and the Pedophiles will file their legal briefs next.
The people behind the FreeKate movement will assume their time will come very soon after this ruling.
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Re: Supreme Court strikes down Defense of Marriage Act provision
« Reply #22 on: June 26, 2013, 10:44:22 AM »
I read both decisions.

The DOMA decision is a victory for federalism. Issuing marriage licenses is a state power. Based on that principle, the role the Federal government has given itself is to provide Federal benefits based on whether applicants for benefits are married in their state of residence. Extending this principle to its logical conclusion, the "right thing to do" from a 14th Amendment perspective would be:

1. Grant Federal benefits to any applicant who produces a marriage license recognized by the state of his/her residence*, or
2. Eliminate all Federal benefits based on marital status.

Given the entitlement attitude of the majority of Americans, and the eagerness of King Hussein's administration to pander to that attitude, I expect the Federal government will continue to open the feedbag to all who want to eat from it.

The Prop 8 decision was a punt, but a reasonable one. It is a recognized principle of civil law that a party must have suffered measurable damages (actual or potential) to bring a lawsuit, and the appellants were unable to show damages (and therefore, standing). When the State of California refused to defend its own constitution, the outcome was preordained.

*Edited to clarify: "marriage license recognized by the state of his/her residence"
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Re: Supreme Court strikes down Defense of Marriage Act provision
« Reply #23 on: June 26, 2013, 10:44:31 AM »
The legal redefinition of marriage means the loss of freedom to express and to act according to beliefs at odds with the gay agenda; more ominously, it will grant to the state an enormous and unprecedented power for remaking society according to its own designs. Marriage properly understood is an essential prerequisite for stable, healthy families. Societies throughout history and across the world have learned this from experience, and modern sociological research, despite the barrage of propaganda to the contrary, bears it out.

While marriage opponents will no doubt point to individual A or person B as an exception, we know that, on average, children raised in traditional monogamous marriages with both father and mother do better in school, are less likely to be criminals or drug-addicted, have fewer mental and emotional problems, are less likely to commit suicide, and on and on. families are, along with organized religion, the most important "mediating institutions" between the individual and the state. Mediating institutions are groups of people large and small that help serve as a check on the government, and provide individuals with a way of influencing the state much more effectively than they can do on their own.

These independent sources of authority are essential to the preservation of liberty: without them the behemoth of the state would easily crush the lone citizen. That's why totalitarians of every stripe make the subjugation or even destruction of these institutions (especially the family and organized religion) a top priority. Giving the state the power to manipulate, redefine and hence to unmake such essential protectors of freedom must necessarily lead to an ever more powerful state, and an ever smaller place for individual liberty.


Californians voted not once, but twice, on ballot measures defining marriage as between a man and a woman, and both times the courts struck it down.  What good does it do to vote if the courts can overturn the decisions?

Now the liberal lawyers will start filing suits where states have upheld that marriage is between a man and woman.  Also, here come the lawsuits forcing churches to marry same sex couples.


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Re: Supreme Court strikes down Defense of Marriage Act provision
« Reply #24 on: June 26, 2013, 10:58:21 AM »
So much for all that "Rule of law" stuff.
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