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Re: King Of Divisiveness Decries Religious Freedom...
« Reply #25 on: June 20, 2013, 04:03:02 PM »
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I think I smell a troll, obumazombie.
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« Reply #26 on: June 20, 2013, 04:04:32 PM »
When it comes to libs I fancy myself part springer spaniel.

I'm not sure what you mean by this.  which part?

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« Reply #27 on: June 20, 2013, 04:05:50 PM »
I'm not sure what you mean by this.  which part?

Probably the ability to sniff out trolls.
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« Reply #28 on: June 20, 2013, 04:09:15 PM »
Probably the ability to sniff out trolls.
Not only sniff out, but flush out, then flush down.

Bad Dog, are you being bad again ?
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« Reply #29 on: June 20, 2013, 04:14:35 PM »
Not only sniff out, but flush out, then flush down.

Bad Dog, are you being bad again ?

I'm not sure what you mean by this,  what do you mean by "bad".

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Re: King Of Divisiveness Decries Religious Freedom...
« Reply #30 on: June 20, 2013, 04:15:24 PM »
I'm not sure what you mean by this,  what do you mean by "bad".

I think that word "bad" is nebulous and therefore, should be banned.
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Re: King Of Divisiveness Decries Religious Freedom...
« Reply #31 on: June 20, 2013, 04:18:05 PM »
I think that word "bad" is nebulous and therefore, should be banned.
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Re: King Of Divisiveness Decries Religious Freedom...
« Reply #32 on: June 20, 2013, 05:17:07 PM »
I think most people here are taking what Obama said and not applying it to the situation in Northern Ireland.

Northern Ireland has been since the 60's a hotbed of sectarian conflict between Irish republicans who want all of Ireland to be part of the Republic, and then there's the loyalists who still want to be part of Great Britain. Guess what? The republicans tend to be Catholic, the loyalists tend to be Protestant, and both republican and loyalist paramilitaries have religious influences in their attacks (ex. loyalists attacked Catholic churches, etc.)

The reason Obama said what he said is not because he doesn't like religious freedom, it's because splitting education down religious lines in Northern Ireland will cause strife and more conflict rather than slowly getting rid of the sectarian divisions and conflicts that still plague Ireland today.

Try to apply this to the situation in the country rather than thinking he means "Oh, let's destroy all religious education for no real reason whatsoever."
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Point. What Obama said was just as bigoted in Ireland as it would have been in the USA. To somehow demonize a religious school is inherently wrong. Irish violence is political and not taught in schools.
THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH RELIGIOUS SCHOOLS.  They are not divisive in Ireland they are not divisive in the US.

Maybe an drooling idiot like a liberal might be threatened by the free exercise of religion, but normal people are not. Obama is not normal, I question his sanity,

As for you Lex, there is Nothing to take into context. The Irish situation does not justify Obama's remarks. Nor does it excuse his asinine speech. That you tried to justify it makes me think far less of you.

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Re: King Of Divisiveness Decries Religious Freedom...
« Reply #33 on: June 20, 2013, 05:18:39 PM »
^Well said. I'm glad I wasn't the only one.
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Re: King Of Divisiveness Decries Religious Freedom...
« Reply #34 on: June 20, 2013, 05:31:42 PM »
I think most people here are taking what Obama said and not applying it to the situation in Northern Ireland.

Northern Ireland has been since the 60's a hotbed of sectarian conflict between Irish republicans who want all of Ireland to be part of the Republic, and then there's the loyalists who still want to be part of Great Britain. Guess what? The republicans tend to be Catholic, the loyalists tend to be Protestant, and both republican and loyalist paramilitaries have religious influences in their attacks (ex. loyalists attacked Catholic churches, etc.)

The reason Obama said what he said is not because he doesn't like religious freedom, it's because splitting education down religious lines in Northern Ireland will cause strife and more conflict rather than slowly getting rid of the sectarian divisions and conflicts that still plague Ireland today.

Try to apply this to the situation in the country rather than thinking he means "Oh, let's destroy all religious education for no real reason whatsoever."

1. Welcome to the forum.

2. Bullshit.

Your statements about the sectarianism in Ireland is amazingly shallow. First of all, which '60s are you talking about? Cromwell invaded in 1640, and the troubles have been going on ever since. Even the most cursory reading of history shows that the Catholic hedge-schools were the only way that an entire group of people learned about their heritage at all.

And the big 0 is about 15 years too late, as has been explained to you already.

If 0bama had any balls, he'd go to Egypt (our "ally") and decry the madras schools there that are breeding religious intolerance and hatred of the West. I'd love to hear him say that sectarian Muslim education breeds violence and intolerance.

Of course, he won't. Catholics in particular, and Christians in general, are easy targets for the left, because we don't behead or impale our enemies anymore. (See my Vlad Dracula thread).
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« Reply #35 on: June 20, 2013, 05:43:15 PM »
The split in Ireland has been ongoing for four hundred years.

Obama's policies and ideas are like a bull in a china shop, or maybe better put.........like getting between a domestic dispute. 

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Go back further than that. Edward III was trying to kill off the Irish way before Cromwell.
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Re: King Of Divisiveness Decries Religious Freedom...
« Reply #36 on: June 20, 2013, 05:46:26 PM »
Go back further than that. Edward III was trying to kill off the Irish way before Cromwell.

In college, I took a class in modern Irish history. The years covered were 1591-present, lol.
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Re: King Of Divisiveness Decries Religious Freedom...
« Reply #37 on: June 20, 2013, 06:25:15 PM »
If 0bama had any balls, he'd go to Egypt (our "ally") and decry the madras schools there that are breeding religious intolerance and hatred of the West. I'd love to hear him say that sectarian Muslim education breeds violence and intolerance.

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Re: King Of Divisiveness Decries Religious Freedom...
« Reply #38 on: June 20, 2013, 09:44:38 PM »
A person must be judged on what they say, not what someone else says they mean.

You've got a point there. I guess I was putting words in Obama's mouth.

While religious zealotry is by no means dead in either the Republic of Ireland or in Northern Ireland, the principal tool for terrorism of the Irish Catholics -- the IRA and by extension, the Provos -- is no longer in business. That happened in 2005.

Sinn Fein, on the other hand, is still very much a voice. But it's a political voice rather than an armed one.[1]

Do you honestly believe that hogwash above? Do you honestly think that Barry gives a rat's ass about religion, much less religious freedom? I'm curious as to how you can arrive at that conclusion, since Barry is essentially non-religious at all. And his efforts toward education aren't to develop education for its own benefits, but to be recipients for his own brand of propaganda -- but I'll admit straight up that that's my opinion.[2]

The problem in Ireland is ongoing, though much less violent than it used to be.

That said, when religious education ceases, here comes more of socialism. You can bank on it.[3]

But of course, that's what Barry wants.

I shall state your points according to the numbers posted near them.

[1]

While the violence has definitely toned down in the recent years. The fight hasn't stopped. The only difference is the fight is now not carried out by guerrillas and paramilitaries, but by orators in suits, ties, and party banners. It's moved from a military conflict to a political conflict, and it still divides Ireland today as the Troubles did before, and the schism between Protestants and Catholics is still very much a factor in this division of Ireland.

[2]

I'm sure Barry doesn't give a shit about your religion, or anyone else's religion for that matter, but to say that Obama is trying to bend education for his own propaganda isn't really a fact. He just doesn't have a high opinion of religious schools, does this instantly make him against religious freedom? No. That's like saying someone not having a high opinion of Adam Smith's works makes them a communist.

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Calling Obama a socialist is an insult to all actual socialists. Obama has shown time and time again that he is a capitalist. He shows the symptoms. Sucking up to big business, giving banks golden parachutes, etc. Socialists seek the destruction of the capitalist system. The overthrow of the bourgeoisie by the proletariat. So to call a man who has done all the things a capitalist would do a socialist simply because he shares more progressive capitalist policies than say a Republican would is an absolute farce. Marx would see Obama as a member of the bourgeois, not a proletariat. Even Leninists I've talked to absolutely despise him. They prefer him to Romney, but they still hate his guts.

Another thing, saying that taking religion out of schooling will lead to more socialism is something I think Mr. McCarthy would say.
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Re: King Of Divisiveness Decries Religious Freedom...
« Reply #39 on: June 20, 2013, 10:29:34 PM »
I'm starting to like Lex. 

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Re: King Of Divisiveness Decries Religious Freedom...
« Reply #40 on: June 20, 2013, 11:54:52 PM »
The ruling class in any socialist society love capitalism, for themselves. The little people can neither be trusted with it, nor can they be allowed to use capitalism to break the chains of socialism their ruling class uses to stay in power.
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Re: King Of Divisiveness Decries Religious Freedom...
« Reply #41 on: June 21, 2013, 04:44:28 AM »
Calling Obama a socialist is an insult to all actual socialists. Obama has shown time and time again that he is a capitalist.
Bitch slap given for denying that Obama is a socialist. I'll bitch slap you again for comparing Adam Smith to a communist. And another BS will be given for continuing to support the statement that religious schools are divisive.

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Re: King Of Divisiveness Decries Religious Freedom...
« Reply #42 on: June 21, 2013, 04:55:51 AM »
Question for Lex. Do you agree with the president that religious schools are divisive?

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« Reply #43 on: June 21, 2013, 08:39:45 AM »
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Another thing, saying that taking religion out of schooling will lead to more socialism is something I think Mr. McCarthy would say.

Except that all you have to do is look at the U.S. Education system and it's sorry state to know this is true. They do nothing BUT indoctrinate our kids with Socialist doctorine. 

And as far as Joe McCarthy Is concerned. History has proven him correct.
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Re: King Of Divisiveness Decries Religious Freedom...
« Reply #44 on: June 21, 2013, 08:50:26 AM »

I shall state your points according to the numbers posted near them.

[1]

While the violence has definitely toned down in the recent years. The fight hasn't stopped. The only difference is the fight is now not carried out by guerrillas and paramilitaries, but by orators in suits, ties, and party banners. It's moved from a military conflict to a political conflict, and it still divides Ireland today as the Troubles did before, and the schism between Protestants and Catholics is still very much a factor in this division of Ireland.

Same thing I said. Thanks for making my point for me.

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I'm sure Barry doesn't give a shit about your religion, or anyone else's religion for that matter, but to say that Obama is trying to bend education for his own propaganda isn't really a fact. He just doesn't have a high opinion of religious schools, does this instantly make him against religious freedom? No. That's like saying someone not having a high opinion of Adam Smith's works makes them a communist.

Barry takes EVERYTHING he talks about and bends it for his own propaganda (which he believes, btw). That's the very essence of politics. For you to think that your hero Barry is somehow immune from the very same disease that other politicians on both sides of the aisle have suffered from is monumentally shallow on your part.

Are you capable of critical thinking? Or do you simply swallow the feel good, warm 'n fuzzy leftist bullshit like it's candy?

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Calling Obama a socialist is an insult to all actual socialists. Obama has shown time and time again that he is a capitalist. He shows the symptoms. Sucking up to big business, giving banks golden parachutes, etc. Socialists seek the destruction of the capitalist system. The overthrow of the bourgeoisie by the proletariat. So to call a man who has done all the things a capitalist would do a socialist simply because he shares more progressive capitalist policies than say a Republican would is an absolute farce. Marx would see Obama as a member of the bourgeois, not a proletariat. Even Leninists I've talked to absolutely despise him. They prefer him to Romney, but they still hate his guts.

Another thing, saying that taking religion out of schooling will lead to more socialism is something I think Mr. McCarthy would say.

 :rotf:

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Barry is all about Barry.

Again, it's the essence of politics.

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Re: King Of Divisiveness Decries Religious Freedom...
« Reply #45 on: June 21, 2013, 01:05:48 PM »
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Calling Obama a socialist is an insult to all actual socialists. Obama has shown time and time again that he is a capitalist. He shows the symptoms. Sucking up to big business, giving banks golden parachutes, etc. Socialists seek the destruction of the capitalist system. The overthrow of the bourgeoisie by the proletariat. So to call a man who has done all the things a capitalist would do a socialist simply because he shares more progressive capitalist policies than say a Republican would is an absolute farce. Marx would see Obama as a member of the bourgeois, not a proletariat. Even Leninists I've talked to absolutely despise him. They prefer him to Romney, but they still hate his guts.
 

Didn't Hitler allow businesses to operate as long as they "operated" on HIS terms ?

Looks to me that Barry does the same.  :-)
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Re: King Of Divisiveness Decries Religious Freedom...
« Reply #46 on: June 21, 2013, 01:14:06 PM »
Didn't Hitler allow businesses to operate as long as they "operated" on HIS terms ?

Looks to me that Barry does the same.  :-)
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Re: King Of Divisiveness Decries Religious Freedom...
« Reply #47 on: June 21, 2013, 02:05:25 PM »
All Hitler wanted was piece...

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« Reply #48 on: June 21, 2013, 02:20:29 PM »
funny... I'd forgotten about that
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Re: King Of Divisiveness Decries Religious Freedom...
« Reply #49 on: June 21, 2013, 05:31:44 PM »
Question for Lex. Do you agree with the president that religious schools are divisive?

Repeating the question because Lex didn't respond to my post earlier.