Author Topic: King Of Divisiveness Decries Religious Freedom...  (Read 5698 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline obumazombie

  • Siege engine to lib fortresses
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 21814
  • Reputation: +1659/-578
  • Last of the great minorities
King Of Divisiveness Decries Religious Freedom...
« on: June 19, 2013, 11:47:02 PM »
Without his telelprompter owebuma tends to display strong liberal logic...

Should Religions Have Their Own Schools, Churches, Buildings ? Or Is owbuma's Idea That They Should Share Them a Better Idea

Strong liberal logic equates to non existent objective logic.
There were only two options for gender. At last count there are at least 12, according to libs. By that standard, I'm a male lesbian.

Offline Mr Mannn

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 14885
  • Reputation: +2646/-276
http://www.bizpacreview.com/2013/06/19/obama-offends-catholics-in-the-uk-says-religious-schools-are-divisive-78053
(Link from Drudge Report)
You guys are not gonna believe this...
Quote
Obama offends Catholics in the UK, says religious schools are divisive.
The Catholic media is up in arms over comments President Obama made during a speech while in Northern Ireland for the G8 summit. Obama made what is described as “an alarming call for an end to Catholic education,” in spite of the fact that it is considered “a critical component of the Church.”


In front of an audience of about 2,000 young people, including many Catholics, Obama claimed that Catholic education divides people and blocks peace, according to the Scottish Catholic Observer.

“If towns remain divided—if Catholics have their schools and buildings and Protestants have theirs, if we can’t see ourselves in one another and fear or resentment are allowed to harden—that too encourages division and discourages cooperation,” Obama said.

Catholic World News noted:

    Ironically, President Obama made his comments just as Archbishop Gerhard Müller, the prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, told a crowd in Scotland that religious education upholds the dignity of the human person. Archbishop Müller said that Catholic schools should promote “all that is good in the philosophies of societies and human culture.”

Fr. John Zuhlsdorf quoted the Observer’s article on Fr. Z’s blog and added:

    Another example of what this man wants: total isolation of any religious values in the private sphere alone. Pres. Obama is working either to intimidate or legislate or even TAX religious freedom out of the public square.

    Off the top of my head, I can’t think of a foreign visit to a Islamic nation where he told people on his arrival that they shouldn’t have madrasas.  Can you?

    Did he when visiting, say, Israel, say “You Jews shouldn’t have synagogue schools and you muslims shouldn’t have mosque schools.”  I can’t remember.  Did he?

Each of the articles drew numerous public comments, most suggesting that Obama be more concerned about the public schools in the United States than their parochial schools, which are working just fine.

Offline Wineslob

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 14463
  • Reputation: +795/-193
  • Sucking the life out of Liberty
Well, I'll give it to Oblahma, he's got foot in mouth disease, real bad.

“The national budget must be balanced. The public debt must be reduced; the arrogance of the authorities must be moderated and controlled. Payments to foreign governments must be reduced, if the nation doesn't want to go bankrupt. People must again learn to work, instead of living on public assistance.”

        -- Marcus Tullius Cicero, 55 BC (106-43 BC)

The unobtainable is unknown at Zombo.com



"Practice random violence and senseless acts of brutality"

If you want a gender neutral bathroom, go pee in the forest.

Offline Eupher

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 24894
  • Reputation: +2828/-1828
  • U.S. Army, Retired
Barry's all about the proletariat and keeping it pure.  :whatever:
Adams E2 Euphonium, built in 2017
Boosey & Co. Imperial Euphonium, built in 1941
Edwards B454 bass trombone, built 2012
Bach Stradivarius 42OG tenor trombone, built 1992
Kanstul 33-T BBb tuba, built 2011
Fender Precision Bass Guitar, built ?
Mouthpiece data provided on request.

Offline CG6468

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 11493
  • Reputation: +540/-210
**** blammo and the mooch he rode in on.
Illinois, south of the gun controllers in Chi town

Offline J P Sousa

  • We Built Our Business - IN SPITE OF GOVERNMENT
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3785
  • Reputation: +310/-19
  • I love the smell of gun powder in the morning
The Bummer and his union pals are trying very hard to destroy Catholic education.

http://www.workforcefreedom.com/blog/nlrb-goes-after-catholic-colleges
.
John Wayne: "America Why I Love Her"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5ZGz7h0epU

Get Over It! We Are Not All Created Equal ~Capt Katie Petronio

Obama Wiretapped The Trump Tower...FACT

The reason there are so many stupid people is because it's illegal to kill them.
~John Wayne

Offline Big Dog

  • ^^Smokes cigars and knows things.
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 15581
  • Reputation: +1954/-213
Barry's all about the proletariat and keeping it pure.  :whatever:

The education of all children, from the moment that they can get along without a mother's care, shall be in state institutions at state expense.
  -Karl Marx & Friedrich Engels, The Communist Manifesto

The children who know how to think for themselves spoil the harmony of the collective society which is coming, where everyone would be interdependent.
   -John Dewey
Government is the negation of liberty.
  -Ludwig von Mises

CAVE FVROREM PATIENTIS.

Offline thundley4

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 40571
  • Reputation: +2222/-127
The education of all children, from the moment that they can get along without a mother's care, shall be in state institutions at state expense.
  -Karl Marx & Friedrich Engels, The Communist Manifesto

The children who know how to think for themselves spoil the harmony of the collective society which is coming, where everyone would be interdependent.
   -John Dewey

State indoctrination is a key element of totalitarian regimes. That's why the DemonRats always side with the teacher's unions.

Offline Dori

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 7964
  • Reputation: +406/-39
The left and their unions would love to see the end to private education of any kind.  Just like Homeschooling.  Raising children with values and independent thinking is a threat to their communist goals.


“How fortunate for governments that the people     they administer don't think”  Adolph Hitler

Offline DLR Pyro

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 9234
  • Reputation: +1418/-29
Quote
Obama made what is described as “an alarming call for an end to Catholic education,”

Of course he whole heartedly endorses the expansion of madrassas throughout the world.
Biden is an illegitimate President.  Change my mind.

Police lives matter.

Basking in the glow of my white privilege

ProudDad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Wed Mar-09-11 08:50 PM
64.I'd almost be willing to get a job in order to participate in
A NATIONAL GENERAL STRIKE
  https://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x4763020

Offline obumazombie

  • Siege engine to lib fortresses
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 21814
  • Reputation: +1659/-578
  • Last of the great minorities
I had a thread on this same subject...

King Of Divisiveness Decries Religious Freedom...

Mods, take a look and see if it wouldn't make sense to merge ?
There were only two options for gender. At last count there are at least 12, according to libs. By that standard, I'm a male lesbian.

Offline Hathcock

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 556
  • Reputation: +24/-18
I come in peace, I didn't bring artillery. But I'm pleading with you with tears in my eyes: if you **** with me, I'll kill you all! - USMC General James Mattis.

Offline thundley4

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 40571
  • Reputation: +2222/-127
The left and their unions would love to see the end to private education of any kind.  Just like Homeschooling.  Raising children with values and independent thinking is a threat to their communist goals.




Homeschooling allows some children to escape indoctrination and therefore should be discouraged.

Holder wanted a family from Germany deported even though the parents would face prosecution/persecution for homeschooling their children.

Offline Lex

  • Probationary (Probie)
  • Posts: 31
  • Reputation: +1/-34
Re: King Of Divisiveness Decries Religious Freedom...
« Reply #13 on: June 20, 2013, 02:42:57 PM »
I think most people here are taking what Obama said and not applying it to the situation in Northern Ireland.

Northern Ireland has been since the 60's a hotbed of sectarian conflict between Irish republicans who want all of Ireland to be part of the Republic, and then there's the loyalists who still want to be part of Great Britain. Guess what? The republicans tend to be Catholic, the loyalists tend to be Protestant, and both republican and loyalist paramilitaries have religious influences in their attacks (ex. loyalists attacked Catholic churches, etc.)

The reason Obama said what he said is not because he doesn't like religious freedom, it's because splitting education down religious lines in Northern Ireland will cause strife and more conflict rather than slowly getting rid of the sectarian divisions and conflicts that still plague Ireland today.

Try to apply this to the situation in the country rather than thinking he means "Oh, let's destroy all religious education for no real reason whatsoever."
"Hate must be born from Love." - Otto Strasser

"Why has government been instituted at all? Because the passions of men will not conform to the dictates of reason and justice, without constraint." - Alexander Hamilton

"Let us be men of this country, not men of a party." - Napoleon III

"We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light." - Plato

Offline obumazombie

  • Siege engine to lib fortresses
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 21814
  • Reputation: +1659/-578
  • Last of the great minorities
Re: King Of Divisiveness Decries Religious Freedom...
« Reply #14 on: June 20, 2013, 02:44:52 PM »
^It takes a lot of mental gymnastics to get to where you got. If lib logic is applied your reply becomes much more able to be decoded.


edit speed
« Last Edit: June 20, 2013, 02:47:15 PM by obumazombie »
There were only two options for gender. At last count there are at least 12, according to libs. By that standard, I'm a male lesbian.

Offline Lex

  • Probationary (Probie)
  • Posts: 31
  • Reputation: +1/-34
Re: King Of Divisiveness Decries Religious Freedom...
« Reply #15 on: June 20, 2013, 02:55:01 PM »
It takes a lot of mental gymnastics to get to where you got. If lib logic is applied your reply becomes much more able to be decoded.

I'm not sure what you mean by this. Are you saying I'm using liberal logic?
"Hate must be born from Love." - Otto Strasser

"Why has government been instituted at all? Because the passions of men will not conform to the dictates of reason and justice, without constraint." - Alexander Hamilton

"Let us be men of this country, not men of a party." - Napoleon III

"We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light." - Plato

Offline J P Sousa

  • We Built Our Business - IN SPITE OF GOVERNMENT
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3785
  • Reputation: +310/-19
  • I love the smell of gun powder in the morning
Re: King Of Divisiveness Decries Religious Freedom...
« Reply #16 on: June 20, 2013, 03:07:22 PM »
The split in Ireland has been ongoing for four hundred years.

Obama's policies and ideas are like a bull in a china shop, or maybe better put.........like getting between a domestic dispute. 

.
John Wayne: "America Why I Love Her"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5ZGz7h0epU

Get Over It! We Are Not All Created Equal ~Capt Katie Petronio

Obama Wiretapped The Trump Tower...FACT

The reason there are so many stupid people is because it's illegal to kill them.
~John Wayne

Offline obumazombie

  • Siege engine to lib fortresses
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 21814
  • Reputation: +1659/-578
  • Last of the great minorities
Re: King Of Divisiveness Decries Religious Freedom...
« Reply #17 on: June 20, 2013, 03:39:31 PM »
I'm not sure what you mean by this. Are you saying I'm using liberal logic?
A person must be judged on what they say, not what someone else says they mean. This basic rule is used by libs to crucify conservatives, with the added twist of libs adding "dog whistle" designations. When it comes to libs judging libs it's the exact opposite, words are thrown out, and only implied meanings are operative.
There were only two options for gender. At last count there are at least 12, according to libs. By that standard, I'm a male lesbian.

Offline Eupher

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 24894
  • Reputation: +2828/-1828
  • U.S. Army, Retired
Re: King Of Divisiveness Decries Religious Freedom...
« Reply #18 on: June 20, 2013, 03:42:12 PM »
I think most people here are taking what Obama said and not applying it to the situation in Northern Ireland.

Northern Ireland has been since the 60's a hotbed of sectarian conflict between Irish republicans who want all of Ireland to be part of the Republic, and then there's the loyalists who still want to be part of Great Britain. Guess what? The republicans tend to be Catholic, the loyalists tend to be Protestant, and both republican and loyalist paramilitaries have religious influences in their attacks (ex. loyalists attacked Catholic churches, etc.)

The reason Obama said what he said is not because he doesn't like religious freedom, it's because splitting education down religious lines in Northern Ireland will cause strife and more conflict rather than slowly getting rid of the sectarian divisions and conflicts that still plague Ireland today.

Try to apply this to the situation in the country rather than thinking he means "Oh, let's destroy all religious education for no real reason whatsoever."

While religious zealotry is by no means dead in either the Republic of Ireland or in Northern Ireland, the principal tool for terrorism of the Irish Catholics -- the IRA and by extension, the Provos -- is no longer in business. That happened in 2005.

Sinn Fein, on the other hand, is still very much a voice. But it's a political voice rather than an armed one.

Quote
The reason Obama said what he said is not because he doesn't like religious freedom, it's because splitting education down religious lines in Northern Ireland will cause strife and more conflict rather than slowly getting rid of the sectarian divisions and conflicts that still plague Ireland today.

Do you honestly believe that hogwash above? Do you honestly think that Barry gives a rat's ass about religion, much less religious freedom? I'm curious as to how you can arrive at that conclusion, since Barry is essentially non-religious at all. And his efforts toward education aren't to develop education for its own benefits, but to be recipients for his own brand of propaganda -- but I'll admit straight up that that's my opinion.

The problem in Ireland is ongoing, though much less violent than it used to be.

That said, when religious education ceases, here comes more of socialism. You can bank on it.

But of course, that's what Barry wants.
Adams E2 Euphonium, built in 2017
Boosey & Co. Imperial Euphonium, built in 1941
Edwards B454 bass trombone, built 2012
Bach Stradivarius 42OG tenor trombone, built 1992
Kanstul 33-T BBb tuba, built 2011
Fender Precision Bass Guitar, built ?
Mouthpiece data provided on request.

Offline Bad Dog

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 5927
  • Reputation: +313/-313
  • God help me I do love it so
Re: King Of Divisiveness Decries Religious Freedom...
« Reply #19 on: June 20, 2013, 03:47:26 PM »
A person must be judged on what they say, not what someone else says they mean. This basic rule is used by libs to crucify conservatives, with the added twist of libs adding "dog whistle" designations. When it comes to libs judging libs it's the exact opposite, words are thrown out, and only implied meanings are operative.

Simple, concise and well constructed reply.  I would have just said Yes.

Offline CG6468

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 11493
  • Reputation: +540/-210
Re: King Of Divisiveness Decries Religious Freedom...
« Reply #20 on: June 20, 2013, 03:48:25 PM »
Quote
doesn't like religious freedom

That is a true statement. He does NOT like religious freedom.
Illinois, south of the gun controllers in Chi town

Offline obumazombie

  • Siege engine to lib fortresses
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 21814
  • Reputation: +1659/-578
  • Last of the great minorities
Re: King Of Divisiveness Decries Religious Freedom...
« Reply #21 on: June 20, 2013, 03:49:59 PM »
Simple, concise and well constructed reply.  I would have just said Yes.

True !
There were only two options for gender. At last count there are at least 12, according to libs. By that standard, I'm a male lesbian.

Offline Big Dog

  • ^^Smokes cigars and knows things.
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 15581
  • Reputation: +1954/-213
Re: King Of Divisiveness Decries Religious Freedom...
« Reply #22 on: June 20, 2013, 03:54:06 PM »
I think most people here are taking what Obama said and not applying it to the situation in Northern Ireland.

Northern Ireland has been since the 60's a hotbed of sectarian conflict between Irish republicans who want all of Ireland to be part of the Republic, and then there's the loyalists who still want to be part of Great Britain. Guess what? The republicans tend to be Catholic, the loyalists tend to be Protestant, and both republican and loyalist paramilitaries have religious influences in their attacks (ex. loyalists attacked Catholic churches, etc.)

The reason Obama said what he said is not because he doesn't like religious freedom, it's because splitting education down religious lines in Northern Ireland will cause strife and more conflict rather than slowly getting rid of the sectarian divisions and conflicts that still plague Ireland today.

Try to apply this to the situation in the country rather than thinking he means "Oh, let's destroy all religious education for no real reason whatsoever."

Jay Carney, is that you?
Government is the negation of liberty.
  -Ludwig von Mises

CAVE FVROREM PATIENTIS.

Offline CG6468

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 11493
  • Reputation: +540/-210
Re: King Of Divisiveness Decries Religious Freedom...
« Reply #23 on: June 20, 2013, 03:55:11 PM »
Jay Carney, is that you?

Sure sounds like it.
Illinois, south of the gun controllers in Chi town

Offline obumazombie

  • Siege engine to lib fortresses
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 21814
  • Reputation: +1659/-578
  • Last of the great minorities
Re: King Of Divisiveness Decries Religious Freedom...
« Reply #24 on: June 20, 2013, 03:59:18 PM »
When it comes to libs I fancy myself part springer spaniel.
There were only two options for gender. At last count there are at least 12, according to libs. By that standard, I'm a male lesbian.