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I would be a lot less critical of the Catholic Church if it removed itself from
« on: March 20, 2013, 08:46:02 PM »
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I would be a lot less critical of the Catholic Church if it removed itself from public life...


 
that includes both the good and the bad, mostly because even with the good stuff, the charitable stuff, it comes with huge negatives attached, such as not adopting out to gay couples, not distributing condoms, and lying about the effectiveness of condoms, etc.

Frankly, if the Catholic Church doesn't want to change its official stances on things like LGBT rights, contraception, abortion, misogyny, etc. Fine, that is their right as a religion to be as ass backwards as they want.

However, they should keep it within their churches, want to run a hospital or charity? Follow the rules of the greater secular society, oh, and do NOT try to change those rules, your medieval morality has no place in a pluralistic democracy.

My biggest problem with the Catholic Church is that it tries to get its fingers in everything, and tries to force its immorality on everyone else, hell I consciously left them so I wouldn't have to deal with that bullshit anymore.

Am I saying its unique? hell no, I can say the same and worse about the Mormon Church, some Orthodox Jewish sects, Fundamentalist Christians and Muslims, the Religious Right in general, etc. The Catholic Church just happens to be the biggest single religious organization in question and it is very influential in the United States.

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Yeah wonderful idea DUmmy, get the church out of the charity business.  :mental:
The DUmmy gets pissed because he thinks the church is trying to force their views on everyone, but a government that is actually doing so is fine and dandy.

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2. The Catholic Church is the second largest charitable organization in The United States.

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#1 is The United States.

If the church stopped, millions would be devastated and many would die.

What's a few million dead people if it means shutting up those mean rotten fundies?
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Re: I would be a lot less critical of the Catholic Church if it removed itself from
« Reply #1 on: March 20, 2013, 08:48:00 PM »
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your medieval morality has no place in a pluralistic democracy.

There's a statement of democrat philosophy.
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Re: I would be a lot less critical of the Catholic Church if it removed itself from
« Reply #2 on: March 21, 2013, 12:02:13 AM »
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Frankly, if the Catholic Church doesn't want to change its official stances on things like LGBT rights, contraception, abortion, misogyny, etc. Fine, that is their right as a religion to be as ass backwards as they want.
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Re: I would be a lot less critical of the Catholic Church if it removed itself from
« Reply #3 on: March 21, 2013, 04:48:07 AM »
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I would be a lot less critical of the Catholic Church if it removed itself from public life...


 
that includes both the good and the bad, mostly because even with the good stuff, the charitable stuff, it comes with huge negatives attached, such as not adopting out to gay couples, not distributing condoms, and lying about the effectiveness of condoms, etc.

Frankly, if the Catholic Church doesn't want to change its official stances on things like LGBT rights, contraception, abortion, misogyny, etc. Fine, that is their right as a religion to be as ass backwards as they want.

However, they should keep it within their churches, want to run a hospital or charity? Follow the rules of the greater secular society, oh, and do NOT try to change those rules, your medieval morality has no place in a pluralistic democracy.

My biggest problem with the Catholic Church is that it tries to get its fingers in everything, and tries to force its immorality on everyone else, hell I consciously left them so I wouldn't have to deal with that bullshit anymore.

Am I saying its unique? hell no, I can say the same and worse about the Mormon Church, some Orthodox Jewish sects, Fundamentalist Christians and Muslims, the Religious Right in general, etc. The Catholic Church just happens to be the biggest single religious organization in question and it is very influential in the United States.

The Catholic Church has NEVER tried to force ANYTHING on me. NEVER. Not even once. The Democrat Party and their bootlicking yes-men at DU have tried to force me to accept the abomination of homosexuality as normal and fun, tried to force me to accept the stealing of my money to buy condoms and the like for people too sorry to work, tried to force me to accept the murder of unborn babies as normal and fun, tried to force me to believe women should receive some super-secret status that constantly changes, etc.
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Re: I would be a lot less critical of the Catholic Church if it removed itself from
« Reply #4 on: March 21, 2013, 04:58:29 AM »
So.....who cares if the primitive were a lot less critical, or even more critical, of the Catholic Church, based upon what it does?

I'm confused as to what makes the primitive think his assessment of people and an institution towards which he's already hostile anyway, counts.
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Re: I would be a lot less critical of the Catholic Church if it removed itself from
« Reply #5 on: March 21, 2013, 07:47:35 AM »
You're right, Frank.  It doesn't count.  Nobody gives a shit what the DUmmie thinks.

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huge negatives attached, such as not adopting out to gay couples, not distributing condoms,

Oh, that's huge alright.  You want a condom?  Go down to the Goddammed corner store, dig out some pocket change, and buy one.  It's not that difficult, idiot. 
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Re: I would be a lot less critical of the Catholic Church if it removed itself from
« Reply #6 on: March 21, 2013, 08:07:22 AM »
Quote from: Karin on March 21, 2013, 07:47:35 AM
You're right, Frank.  It doesn't count.  Nobody gives a shit what the DUmmie thinks.

Oh, that's huge alright.  You want a condom?  Go down to the Goddammed corner store, dig out some pocket change, and buy one.  It's not that difficult, idiot. 

There's all sorts of 'AIDS Awareness' groups that distribute condoms for free, too.
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Re: I would be a lot less critical of the Catholic Church if it removed itself from
« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2013, 08:18:03 AM »
The Catholic Church can't change it's position on moral issues and remain a church in any relevant sense of the word.

And just where the heck do you get off telling anyone that they should basically shut up?  People of faith have a freedom of religion.  You do not have a freedom from religion.
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Re: I would be a lot less critical of the Catholic Church if it removed itself from
« Reply #8 on: March 21, 2013, 08:19:47 AM »
The staunch religion that is Liberalism never changes for any reason.  Why do the DUmbass goons think the Catholic religion should be any different?
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Re: I would be a lot less critical of the Catholic Church if it removed itself from
« Reply #9 on: March 21, 2013, 08:44:33 AM »
Quote from: Undies on March 21, 2013, 08:19:47 AM
The staunch religion that is Liberalism never changes for any reason.  Why do the DUmbass goons think the Catholic religion should be any different?

 :hyper: :hyper:   I am still upset because the Mass was changed in the 1960's.   I cannot understand the changes in the Protestant Faith, only thing that has not changed is the Jewish Faith.   Islam is different from country to country, the Mormon Church has changed from its roots, ----Even the American Indians have been tampered with by Government to change their traditions and ways to worship.   

What ever happend to 'Faith of our Fathers, Holy Faith'   ???
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Re: I would be a lot less critical of the Catholic Church if it removed itself from
« Reply #10 on: March 21, 2013, 08:53:58 AM »
They never seem to get that Gods word is eternal. There  is no "changing" it. Human beings can stomp their feet and throw all the tantrums they want...It doesn't change Gods word.
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Re: I would be a lot less critical of the Catholic Church if it removed itself from
« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2013, 09:03:24 AM »
Quote from: Toastedturningtidelegs on March 21, 2013, 08:53:58 AM
They never seem to get that Gods word is eternal. There  is no "changing" it. Human beings can stomp their feet and throw all the tantrums they want...It doesn't change Gods word.

Exactly!  And any straying from God's Word is not a part of Christianity. 

For example, killing abortion "doctors" is not an act born from a Christian God.  It is a sin and completely against God's word.   But the DUmmie goons like to use such as ammo against all Christians.

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Re: I would be a lot less critical of the Catholic Church if it removed itself from
« Reply #12 on: March 21, 2013, 09:19:21 AM »
Quote from: Toastedturningtidelegs on March 21, 2013, 08:53:58 AM
They never seem to get that Gods word is eternal. There  is no "changing" it. Human beings can stomp their feet and throw all the tantrums they want...It doesn't change Gods word.

I am wondering when our new Pope will put on his Red shoes so he can dance the Blues.   True, the rules stay the same it is just the rites that are invented by the humans that change.

  
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Re: I would be a lot less critical of the Catholic Church if it removed itself from
« Reply #13 on: March 21, 2013, 10:09:14 AM »
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The Catholic Church has NEVER tried to force ANYTHING on me.

Me either.  Nothing.


Oh wait, I'm lying.  They forced an outstanding Elementary and Jr. High School education  that left me two grades ahead of the publics in High School.  The bastards.
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Re: I would be a lot less critical of the Catholic Church if it removed itself from
« Reply #14 on: March 21, 2013, 11:13:06 AM »
Quote from: 98ZJUSMC on March 21, 2013, 10:09:14 AM
Me either.  Nothing.


Oh wait, I'm lying.  They forced an outstanding Elementary and Jr. High School education  that left me two grades ahead of the publics in High School.  The bastards.


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Re: I would be a lot less critical of the Catholic Church if it removed itself from
« Reply #15 on: March 21, 2013, 11:25:31 AM »
Quote from: 98ZJUSMC on March 21, 2013, 10:09:14 AM
Me either.  Nothing.


Oh wait, I'm lying.  They forced an outstanding Elementary and Jr. High School education  that left me two grades ahead of the publics in High School.  The bastards.


Yup, also left one son with one ear larger then the other.     I lived in fear I would get a call from the school I had 3 enrolled by the nuns to bitch me out as I had not noticed one child wore sneakers to school.   Dress code was dress shoes.    

I love those days, I never had to fight with the kids over homework, they did from fear of the Nuns if they didn't do the work.   Kids can fool parents about homework but they could never fool the Nuns.

Wonderful education, if I slapped a kid upside the head for doing something stupid I could go to jail, the Nuns did worse then that and terrorised the kids into not only wanting to please them but realising they no choice but to do as told.  So my kids learned , they could run away from home but the Nuns would track you down and return them home with big knots on the top of their head.   A child swears at their mother, a call to the school and the child never does that again.

Much help in a military family when the father is gone for months at a time.  Kids do tend to overcome the Mother but, add a Nun into the mix that the child can not threaten or rebel against, some one that can deal out corporal punishment with no fear of being Jailed for it------Priceless.

Love Me these Nuns, they saved my sanity all too often.  They never took the side of the Child they were on the parents side and the kids knew they could not manipulate the Parents.      
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Re: I would be a lot less critical of the Catholic Church if it removed itself from
« Reply #16 on: March 21, 2013, 01:57:39 PM »
Quote from: Undies on March 21, 2013, 08:19:47 AM
The staunch religion that is Liberalism never changes for any reason.  Why do the DUmbass goons think the Catholic religion should be any different?

They have changed. The democratic party went from backwoods, inbred, racist malcontents to elitist, inbred, racist malcontents... What more do you want?
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Re: I would be a lot less critical of the Catholic Church if it removed itself from
« Reply #17 on: March 21, 2013, 02:46:42 PM »
So the DUmmie would be less critical of the church if it stopped being a church?

The DUmmie and I are in kind of a similar situation because I would be less critical of DUmmies if they stopped acting like DUmmies.
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Re: I would be a lot less critical of the Catholic Church if it removed itself from
« Reply #18 on: March 21, 2013, 03:58:51 PM »
Quote from: ChuckJ on March 21, 2013, 02:46:42 PM
So the DUmmie would be less critical of the church if it stopped being a church?

The DUmmie and I are in kind of a similar situation because I would be less critical of DUmmies if they stopped acting like DUmmies.

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Re: I would be a lot less critical of the Catholic Church if it removed itself from
« Reply #19 on: March 21, 2013, 04:09:57 PM »
Quote from: Karin on March 21, 2013, 07:47:35 AM
You're right, Frank.  It doesn't count.  Nobody gives a shit what the DUmmie thinks.

Oh, that's huge alright.  You want a condom?  Go down to the Goddammed corner store, dig out some pocket change, and buy one.  It's not that difficult, idiot. 

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