Will there be one? (civil war)

[franksolich]

We've had similiar discussions in our household.

I'm more concerned about a major terrorist attack in multiple sites, that will send the country into a total tailspin. Thus creating more division between the haves and the havenots and what will then happen. Having Obama in charge under those circumstances is really scary as he is so incompetent. It will be each community - city - state - on it's own, because Obama and his merry band of idiots won't have a clue.

^^^agree, wholeheartedly.  Every man for himself, because we have no leader.

[beholden]

It's coming, especially if the liberals attempt to disarm law abiding americans. We live in a rural part of NV. and I know for a fact that the local LE would refuse any order to enforce a ban on firearms.
I hope it doesn't happen but I'm not holding my breath.

[DumbAss Tanker]

I think I know who will win. 

Yeah, there's kind of an inherent problem with their force structure.

[franksolich]

Yeah, there's kind of an inherent problem with their force structure.

Apparently the liberals never learned from that great liberal cause, Prohibition.

Yes indeed, Prohibition was sparked by those on the liberal side of the spectrum.

We'd end up with more guns than ever, just as we did with booze.

[Wineslob]

Apparently the liberals never learned from that great liberal cause, Prohibition.

Yes indeed, Prohibition was sparked by those on the liberal side of the spectrum.

We'd end up with more guns than ever, just as we did with booze.

Liberals ALWAYS repeat history. They NEVER learn from it.

As I've said before, what I hear from them is "It'll work, THIS time".

[vesta111]

Liberals ALWAYS repeat history. They NEVER learn from it.

As I've said before, what I hear from them is "It'll work, THIS time".

Problem is who will come for our guns, who will be left to protect the Government from its citizens ???

The Government is in a no win situation here, the National Guard is home grown, the Military is all at will, no draft, it seems the Government is in a no win situation at this point.

So Let Obama make laws that no one is going to follow, with more people spread out in small towns where the police know everyone or related to them do you expect the police to raid their Uncle Henry's home and remove his deer hunting guns ???

Put this another way, the National Guard is not going to come home from overseas to be expected to disarm Americans, be they from their State or 12 States over .

Far as the Active duty military, they are not going to hang around when they fear their family's are in danger. 

The Government fears the Pentagon more then anything, fears it's own State Department and Home land Security.   Cannot even trust the people guarding the President to not do something off the wall.

The city's, the big ones may go up in flames but it has happend before and that was for small stuff, cut off welfare and the Government has just another millions that will go to war against it.

I think the Government is running flat out scared of the people that put them in place, and all the Huffing and puffing of how they will fix things is just another round robin on how to really mess things up for themselves.

I have no fear--yet--of the citizens of America, and the Government has been casterated to fear just a small amount of the public.  The Gays, the Abortionists and the drug Lords that finance their campaigns.

[Wineslob]

Excuse me while I blow my brains out....

[BlueStateSaint]

Obama and the democrats are laying the ground work for a war between the haves and the have nots......there will be a war but it won't be very "civil".

This.

Plus, the "'civil' war" will be similar to the Rwandan Civil War of 1994, but with firearms instead of machetes.  And it will make that 'civil war' look like a child's birthday party. 

[Ptarmigan]

This.

Plus, the "'civil' war" will be similar to the Rwandan Civil War of 1994, but with firearms instead of machetes.  And it will make that 'civil war' look like a child's birthday party. 

The 19th century Civil War claimed 620,000 people. America had about 35 million people. Today, America has 310 million people, which is 10 times the population. Rwanda had 7 million before the genocide happened in 1994 and dropped to 5 million by 1995.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Rwanda

[Ptarmigan]

We've had similiar discussions in our household.

I'm more concerned about a major terrorist attack in multiple sites, that will send the country into a total tailspin. Thus creating more division between the haves and the havenots and what will then happen. Having Obama in charge under those circumstances is really scary as he is so incompetent. It will be each community - city - state - on it's own, because Obama and his merry band of idiots won't have a clue.

That could very well be the case. I remember reading if another 9/11 happens, it could tear America apart.

[Jasonw560]

I'm waiting for the borders to open completely.

An influx of the cartel scumbags and MS-13 will cause a border war like no one has ever seen.

[franksolich]

Excuse me while I blow my brains out....

Good one, sir.

I can't do it because I'm a moderator, but you can put members on "ignore" here.

[vesta111]

Good one, sir.

I can't do it because I'm a moderator, but you can put members on "ignore" here.

Now, now Frank, we must face all the different scenero out there as the Country is so diverse. 

Only country in the world where the citizens identify themselves as from other cultures other then by being a American.

Only Country in the world where we have just one National tradition, that being ThanksGiving.  No National dress, no National Music, Americans can travel overseas be they black white or Asian and no one unless asked knows where they come from.

Interesting country we are, much like herding cats trying to get any kind of A National Pride from family's that have immigrated here 200 years ago.

Unlike other Country's, even our leaders hang on to long gone ethnic roots.   We are one of a kind in the world.

Our great fearless leader himself has pride in being a first generation American while ignoring his mothers generations of being descended from generations of American Europeans. 

Too many of us Mutts to in any way predict what the thinking of the populace feel or think. 

Yes I do believe Obama fears us, he has brought in too many advisers that enrage all the people not just on racial lines but on subjects that unite people of all races to object to. He cannot get a handle on any one culture or race to take control.  Identifies himself as a Kenyon whose family suffered under Colonization from the Europeans.     

A job of trying to bring together our different ethnic people to support him.  Cannot be done,  Any time he cowtows to one ethnic segment another ethnic segment gets upset.  Sort of like feeding the mice and starving the cats then expecting them to all live in harmony.

Phooey, We need a born and bred American of any race that Understands America and is loyal to All of the country, not someone who spent 1/3 of their life among people that taught them to believe America is Evil.

Welcome to America, you are free to obey our laws and life style.  One has to pay their own way until they become a citizen, they only get benefits as a citizen when they become one.   For the poor, get a job and support yourself as you would have had to do in what ever country you come from.   This worked well in the late 1800's when the poor from Europe flooded into Ellis Island.  A true gift to Americe they were, back bone of the country.

Half Arsed Rant Over. 



 

[Strider]

We've had similiar discussions in our household.

I'm more concerned about a major terrorist attack in multiple sites, that will send the country into a total tailspin. Thus creating more division between the haves and the havenots and what will then happen. Having Obama in charge under those circumstances is really scary as he is so incompetent. It will be each community - city - state - on it's own, because Obama and his merry band of idiots won't have a clue.

That is exactly what most of my friends think will happen.
Personaly I think it is just a matter of time before it happens given the refusal by the current administration to admit the treat from  foriegn  terrorism exists.

[T-Monay820]

Do you really feel deep in your heart we could have a "citizen vs gov't" type of civil war?  

If so, how will it start?  what will trigger it?
what will happen?

Please give me your best idea/summary. I am in awe of your minds folks!  I just see a powder keg just waiting to explode for real.  Has it ever been this way before in the US?

No, I don't see a powder keg type moment. While there are a lot of what I would term for the sake of this discussion as "kneejerk issues" that will rile people up, I believe that most Americans feel that using the political system correctly can reverse the course of a country, and are really adverse to the concept of violence/force to change the course of government. So something like a gun grab may have have temporary effects, but you won't see a revolt over it. Look at what happened with the Assault Weapons Ban. It expired under a new president. And now were just debating whether to sway back the other way. I wasn't around the first time, but I'm sure the debate was just as crazy in 1994.

Now, I don't reject the notion that multiple kneejerk issues could prompt something larger from fringe groups, but you're also requiring that the hundreds of thousands of government officials (military, FBI, etc.) go out and do the bidding of a few that is contrary to the Constitution, close to half the Congress, and half the SC. This doesn't even count the resistance from State governments. Essentially, you're looking at needing a long, drawn out, strategic plan that allows for an assertive enactment of all these policies after a massive consolidation of power. But with the huge split in the United States, and most notably the unity over personal freedoms in this country, you constantly see challenges to the power of the government by both the left and the right. Note the handgun law strike down in Chicago and DC. And as long as the right holds half the Congress, which is reflective of the population, you'll see the stalemate the Founders wanted when it came to drastic changes from the government.

The most I can see is a clash of smaller factions of non-government groups. While possibly bloody, its by no means a civil war or revolt. But there is no massive enforcement arm in the government that has been thoroughly indoctrinated into mindlessly following leadership orders that are contrary to the oaths many have taken to follow.

Ultimately, the majority of Americans do not like resorting to violence to solve problems, and when violence is used in America, it typically draws a negative response to whatever movement is employing it, whether its left or right. An armed resistance to the government would more than likely draw more negative support than positive, regardless of whether they are in the right or not.

[vesta111]

No, I don't see a powder keg type moment. While there are a lot of what I would term for the sake of this discussion as "kneejerk issues" that will rile people up, I believe that most Americans feel that using the political system correctly can reverse the course of a country, and are really adverse to the concept of violence/force to change the course of government. So something like a gun grab may have have temporary effects, but you won't see a revolt over it. Look at what happened with the Assault Weapons Ban. It expired under a new president. And now were just debating whether to sway back the other way. I wasn't around the first time, but I'm sure the debate was just as crazy in 1994.

Now, I don't reject the notion that multiple kneejerk issues could prompt something larger from fringe groups, but you're also requiring that the hundreds of thousands of government officials (military, FBI, etc.) go out and do the bidding of a few that is contrary to the Constitution, close to half the Congress, and half the SC. This doesn't even count the resistance from State governments. Essentially, you're looking at needing a long, drawn out, strategic plan that allows for an assertive enactment of all these policies after a massive consolidation of power. But with the huge split in the United States, and most notably the unity over personal freedoms in this country, you constantly see challenges to the power of the government by both the left and the right. Note the handgun law strike down in Chicago and DC. And as long as the right holds half the Congress, which is reflective of the population, you'll see the stalemate the Founders wanted when it came to drastic changes from the government.

The most I can see is a clash of smaller factions of non-government groups. While possibly bloody, its by no means a civil war or revolt. But there is no massive enforcement arm in the government that has been thoroughly indoctrinated into mindlessly following leadership orders that are contrary to the oaths many have taken to follow.

Ultimately, the majority of Americans do not like resorting to violence to solve problems, and when violence is used in America, it typically draws a negative response to whatever movement is employing it, whether its left or right. An armed resistance to the government would more than likely draw more negative support than positive, regardless of whether they are in the right or not.

Much changes in the information age. 

I was on the fence post about the assult weapons sold, why would anyone need them ????

Then I was directed to a news article about a small town in N.H. Keen, a college town that received from the Feds this armored truck that costs the earth to fight terrorism.   

From there I was directed to a site that documented the problems the people have on the towns boarding Mexico.

Amazing, people that have to move off their own land as the drug traffickers and human traffickers use their land, fully armed to gain a path into America.   

Heart breaking as Americans that own and pay taxes on their land are afraid to use it.  Where are the armored trucks given to a small town in N.H. that needs them like a boar needs tits  ???

American citizens are being forced off their land and threatend with the very arms the owners may not be able to get to defend their lives and property's.   

Me if I were a land holder I would find a Nam Veteran , buy a small back hoe and have them design the pits used to impail our men.   Bear Pits with spiked bamboo rods at the bottom.   All the booby traps and trip wires that they can remember.   Oh yes I would post signs in 5 languages saying the property is dangerous. 

Oh and as a Yankee , I don't mess around.  Have to change my name and move way north and wait and watch to keep an ear count on the b*stards for perhaps a generation or more. 

If anyone needs assult weapons it is the people on the border watching as American land is taken over by foreign people and becomes an annex of a foreign country.

Totally changed my mind about who would need assult weapons.  These Americans do, they are or should be the well formed militia when the government will not come to the aid of Americans being invaded by a foreign country.