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poll: do we want the primitives here?
« on: December 15, 2012, 03:11:25 PM »
This is not any advocacy of a new policy; no way.

And no, no primitive currently here is under any threat of banning, because no primitive here has come even close to violating any of the rules.  As long as the rules are followed, no sweat, and they've been followed.

This poll is simply for discussion.

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Re: poll: do we want the primitives here?
« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2012, 03:26:58 PM »
I voted YES. Why not?  There are great mods, post count restrictions, blocked access to certain rooms and members that will rip phoneys and trolls to shreds. Right?
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Re: poll: do we want the primitives here?
« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2012, 03:31:08 PM »
Quote from: ConservativeMobster on December 15, 2012, 03:26:58 PM
I voted YES. Why not?  There are great mods, post count restrictions, blocked access to certain rooms and members that will rip phoneys and trolls to shreds. Right?

Well, yes, SGT Snuggle Bunny and Freeper are great moderators, the best in the field.  Admirable.

And true, there's certain forums that are closed excepting to bona fide decent and civilized people.

And right, members here do a pretty good job of handling trolls on their own, without adminstrative and moderative involvement.

However, I'm sure there's another side to the coin.
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Re: poll: do we want the primitives here?
« Reply #3 on: December 15, 2012, 03:34:21 PM »
I voted yes, we need chew toys for good dental health.
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Re: poll: do we want the primitives here?
« Reply #4 on: December 15, 2012, 03:37:29 PM »
I'm kind of ambivalent about it.  I don't see burning the effort to actively keep them out, in the manner DU does with its opposition and for which it receives so much well-deserved mockery.  Yet I also find Liberals annoying assholes with opinions based on emotion rather than analysis, and a danger to liberty and freedom due to their sheer inability to ever discuss issues in terms that don't circle back to "I'm compassionate and you're just mean."

I don't mind if they join and participate in a civil, rule-abiding fashion, but I see no reason to actually encourage them either.
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Re: poll: do we want the primitives here?
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2012, 03:45:23 PM »
Quote from: DumbAss Tanker on December 15, 2012, 03:37:29 PM
I'm kind of ambivalent about it.  I don't see burning the effort to actively keep them out, in the manner DU does with its opposition and for which it receives so much well-deserved mockery.  Yet I also find Liberals annoying assholes with opinions based on emotion rather than analysis, and a danger to liberty and freedom due to their sheer inability to ever discuss issues in terms that don't circle back to "I'm compassionate and you're just mean."

I don't mind if they join and participate in a civil, rule-abiding fashion, but I see no reason to actually encourage them either.

Right, and one wonders how much they actually contribute, given that decent and civilized people use logic and reasoning and common sense in discussion, while primitives use "feelings."

The chasm seems unbridgeable; there doesn't seem any common ground at all.
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Milo Yiannopoulos "It has been obvious since 2016 that Trump carries an anointing of some kind. My American friends, are you so blind to reason, and deaf to Heaven? Can he do all this, and cannot get a crown? This man is your King. Coronate him, and watch every devil shriek, and every demon howl."

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Re: poll: do we want the primitives here?
« Reply #6 on: December 15, 2012, 03:47:42 PM »
Quote from: EagleKeeper on December 15, 2012, 03:34:21 PM
I voted yes, we need chew toys for good dental health.

Well, it depends.

Trolls are good chew toys.

But primitives making an honest effort--as honest as they're capable of, which isn't much--are a different issue here, and they're the ones I'm wondering about.
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Re: poll: do we want the primitives here?
« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2012, 03:48:25 PM »
If there was a "don't care one way of the other" I would've picked that one.

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Re: poll: do we want the primitives here?
« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2012, 03:53:05 PM »
A conservative echo chamber is not something I am interested in.

Poop and scoot is an acceptable hazard, the mods do a good job of dealing with that. If you don't care to engage with the primitives just ignore them.

I don't think it is healthy to emulate DUmies in any way.
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Re: poll: do we want the primitives here?
« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2012, 03:54:28 PM »
Quote from: delilahmused on December 15, 2012, 03:48:25 PM
If there was a "don't care one way of the other" I would've picked that one.

Well, my dismayment is that we seem to have some members who are a little over the top when it comes to emulating Pollyanna, actually believing if we're nice to primitives, the primitives will be nice back.

Maybe that's possible, but in all my own eleven years of watching the primitives, I've never once seen it happen.
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Re: poll: do we want the primitives here?
« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2012, 04:04:36 PM »
Quote from: EagleKeeper on December 15, 2012, 03:53:05 PM
A conservative echo chamber is not something I am interested in.

Uh, I hardly think conservativecave is an "echo chamber."

We have all sorts of ideological fisticuffs going on here, unlike Skins's island.

There are members--really, I kid you not--who don't care for franksolich because I'm Republican first, conservative second, and that's resulted in some near-violence, almost.
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Re: poll: do we want the primitives here?
« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2012, 04:18:33 PM »
I share DAT's ambivalence. Do I WANT primitives here? No.

Do I care if they show up, as long as they play nicely? No.

There's always a chance of improvement when talking to decent and civilized people. I can hold out hope that maybe a visitor or lurker may proudly wear the moniker "former DUmmie."
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Re: poll: do we want the primitives here?
« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2012, 04:40:33 PM »
I had to go with not sure.

I don't mind if they show up and act like human beings, but a poo-flinging monkey is usually going to eventually revert to its natural state.
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Re: poll: do we want the primitives here?
« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2012, 04:54:07 PM »
I view a DUmp democrat here (or anywhere else) with the same enthusiasm I have for finding a stack of dog shit on a brand new carpet.

Less, actually. Dog shit can, I guess, be used as a type of fertilizer.

DUmp democrats serve no useful purpose beyond being objects of contempt and derision.
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Re: poll: do we want the primitives here?
« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2012, 05:05:09 PM »
No.

They're a cancer that destroys anyone and anyplace they touch.
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Re: poll: do we want the primitives here?
« Reply #15 on: December 15, 2012, 05:12:19 PM »
Is a DUmmie worse than a Paul-bot?
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Re: poll: do we want the primitives here?
« Reply #16 on: December 15, 2012, 05:16:46 PM »
We keep posting that we have the DU forum because we aren't allowed to post there.    How silly would be it be then if we had the same rules as Skinner?

I loathe echo chambers.    If they come and truly troll then ban them, but please don't ban them because they have a difference of opinion.   

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Re: poll: do we want the primitives here?
« Reply #17 on: December 15, 2012, 05:20:01 PM »
Quote from: Splashdown on December 15, 2012, 05:12:19 PM
Is a DUmmie worse than a Paul-bot?


yes.

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Re: poll: do we want the primitives here?
« Reply #18 on: December 15, 2012, 05:25:16 PM »
I voted yes, but mainly because we are better than they are.

Trolls may be fun for a while. But sometimes they linger for far too long. I would like the mods to be a bit quicker to kick them out.

Kirk and Jeanette haven't trolled at all. Fine.

It's the trolls who are deliberately low level annoyance that get me. They don't do anything outright to get banned, but they won't answer questions, hold a discussion, or participate outside of shouting slogans. I would like to see that type banned faster than they they currently are.

Liberal participating: Fine.
Liberal trolling: The mods need to start the clock ticking. There is no reason why a troll should be able to start fights all across the board, and utterly disrupt the cave.

For DU. A mole is different from a troll. I'm there not to disrupt you, but to see your true intentions. I'm more interested in mining quotes than disrupting DU.  

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Re: poll: do we want the primitives here?
« Reply #19 on: December 15, 2012, 05:29:10 PM »
Quote from: Splashdown on December 15, 2012, 05:12:19 PM
Is a DUmmie worse than a Paul-bot?
No. DUmmies are obvious. they troll.
But.
Paulbots are intolerant of any opinion other than their own. Paulbots have been far more disruptive here than DUers.
Paulbots should have very short leashes.

It's a good thing I am not a mod or admin. I would Ban a Paulbot the moment he ID'd himself.
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Re: poll: do we want the primitives here?
« Reply #20 on: December 15, 2012, 05:42:52 PM »
If DUmmies register here, and if there are people who actually want to converse with them, save their souls, show them the light, display ever so much compassion, whatever, then there should be a way to quarantine them from the general population of decent and civilized people.

Their filth should not be smeared all over the DUmpster.
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Re: poll: do we want the primitives here?
« Reply #21 on: December 15, 2012, 05:44:22 PM »
Quote from: formerlurker on December 15, 2012, 05:16:46 PM
We keep posting that we have the DU forum because we aren't allowed to post there.    How silly would be it be then if we had the same rules as Skinner?

I loathe echo chambers.    If they come and truly troll then ban them, but please don't ban them because they have a difference of opinion.

Don't sweat, madam.

There's not going to be any policy change; as long as a primitive doesn't break any rules, the primitive's safe.

This is just an issue I tossed out here because I've been getting messages from long-time blue-chip members (a category in which you're included, of course) who are uncomfortable with having them here.

It's for discussion only; there's not going to be any changes.
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Re: poll: do we want the primitives here?
« Reply #22 on: December 15, 2012, 05:52:12 PM »
It isn't like our positions are somehow untenable.  As long as thye obey the rules, I see no reason they shouldn't.  Maybe we can get a few of them to former DUmmie status.
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Re: poll: do we want the primitives here?
« Reply #23 on: December 15, 2012, 05:57:06 PM »
Quote from: Vagabond on December 15, 2012, 05:52:12 PM
It isn't like our positions are somehow untenable.  As long as thye obey the rules, I see no reason they shouldn't.  Maybe we can get a few of them to former DUmmie status.

I doubt that'll ever happen.  The primitives have brain-cells that are fossilized, petrified, set in granite.
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Milo Yiannopoulos "It has been obvious since 2016 that Trump carries an anointing of some kind. My American friends, are you so blind to reason, and deaf to Heaven? Can he do all this, and cannot get a crown? This man is your King. Coronate him, and watch every devil shriek, and every demon howl."

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Re: poll: do we want the primitives here?
« Reply #24 on: December 15, 2012, 06:10:18 PM »
Quote from: GOBUCKS on December 15, 2012, 05:42:52 PM
If DUmmies register here, and if there are people who actually want to converse with them, save their souls, show them the light, display ever so much compassion, whatever, then there should be a way to quarantine them from the general population of decent and civilized people.

Their filth should not be smeared all over the DUmpster.


Mind Numbing Stupidity has worked well so far.
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