All the little tyrants come running out to play.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Ken Burch (29,736 posts)

What should be the Democratic policy on labor law?

We need to deal with this again at some point.

31 votes, 0 passes | Time left: Unlimited

Complete Repeal of Taft-Hartley 22 (71%)

Passage of "Card-Check" and requirement of instant recognition of a vote to unionize, at a minimum 7 (23%)

Preserving the status quo 0 (0%)

Other 2 (6%)

no opinion 0 (0%)

0 DU members did not wish to select any of the options provided.

MrSlayer (19,963 posts)

1. Taft Hartley should go for sure.

And card check should have been done in 2009.

Don't hold your breath for either, this is no longer a strong labor party.

snot (7,672 posts)

3. Some of us (like me) need more explanation.

nadinbrzezinski (112,783 posts)

7. Taft Hartley was passed by the 1947 Congress

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And even overrode a Presidential veto. It created right to work for less legislation.
 
Card Check would ease the process of unionization and 2008 Obama ran n it.

pampango (12,711 posts)

15. That's the combination I would vote for.

Europe has no "Taft Hartley" equivalent. Unions are strong, as are wages, because some parts of Germany, France or Italy don't undercut the power of unions in other parts of those countries. Each country has strong legal support for unions that is applied equally throughout the country.

And the fact that Europe is ahead of us in the fiscal crash is evidence of this fact.

meow2u3 (13,215 posts)

5. I vote for anything that will stick it to the Kochroaches

Repeal of Taft-Hartley is a starter. Repeal of the Koch Bros.' assets would be even nicer.

Logical (6,352 posts)

6. What's wrong with a secret ballot?

Oh no you d'i'n't!

nadinbrzezinski (112,783 posts)

8. Why is Walmart, Target et al opposed to card check

With even more passion than a secret ballot? Once you answer that one...you got your answer.

Logical (6,352 posts)

9. But I imagine a person going to vote no to the union would be harassed

You just made the list, buddy!

Teamster Jeff (467 posts)

10. Under card check or Employee Free Choice Act

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A person would have an option to sign a card if he wants the Union.

If they don't want the Union he/she do not have to sign the card. That's when the imaginary Union Thugs break their knee caps.

Logical (6,352 posts)

11. You and I both know they would be pressured hard! And harassed!

Brickbat (13,248 posts)

19. By the company

Logical (6,352 posts)

20. I agree the company and union would pressure them, that is why a private vote is best!

NuttyFluffers (6,414 posts)

16. public crucifixion of corporations breaking the law.

oh wait, a legal fiction can't have much of a physical death... a tragedy.

Then why do you keep trying to steal their tangible assets?

TheKentuckian (16,291 posts)

17. You can line the roads with the board of directors

Sure, it wouldn't be the legal construct but sometime you aim for the stars and settle for the moon.

yurbud (30,813 posts)

21. I voted 1 & 2. they should stop union-busting public ed for Wall St too

Liberalism: your only choice is to kill babies.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021953633

[NHSparky]

Amazing how most of them are non-union yet they'd bow down to the little goons.

Uh, DUmmies?  There's a reason the vast majority of the private sector is non-union.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

Meanwhile...

Union Thugs Stage Protest at Cancer Research Event: “It’s hard to understand why people would protest an event like this”

Posted by Jammie on Dec 07, 2012 at 10:27 am

Say what you will about Cablevision and its owner James Dolan, there are much more preferable ways to stage a protest. At a cancer benefit sure isn’t one of them. And they wonder why most people can’t stand them.
 

Disgruntled union workers put their fight against Cablevision over the fight against cancer at a Times Square protest last night.
 
About 50 members of the Communications Workers of America Local 1109 disrupted a benefit for cancer research at the Hard Rock Cafe, carrying signs and blaring music as attendees streamed in.
 
Cablevision CEO James Dolan, whose rock band performed at the event, told The Post that the workers’ actions are “despicable.”
 
“They think being disruptive for their personal gain is more important than beating pancreatic cancer,” he said. “Their values are twisted. I’m surprised at the depth of their lowness. Everyone who deals with them should take note. It’s shameful.”

Feeling shame isn’t a union requirement, that’s for sure.
 

“I’m a pancreatic-cancer survivor, and it’s unfortunate that they have to protest an event like this,” said Scott Nelson, 59, who lives in Minnesota.
 
“The survival rate is so low. It’s one of the least-funded cancers,” Nelson said. “It’s hard to understand why people would protest an event like this.”
 
Cindy Dolar, of Northport, LI, added, “It’s kind of disgusting that they’re protesting an event to raise money for research on pancreatic cancer. I’m shocked. It’s in very poor taste.”
 
Defiant Local 1109 members couldn’t care less about what they were disrupting.
 
Dolan is “a philanthropist and a bully,” said Chris Calabrese, Local 1109’s executive vice president.

And they’re just bullies.

http://www.jammiewf.com/2012/union-thugs-stage-protest-at-cancer-research-benefit-event/

[Gina]

I don't like unions.  I disliked them even more when I learned they went on strike during WWII (airplane bomber plant) and the Korean war (railroad union).  Truman told those rr union members they could go back to work or he would nationalize them. 

Oh and the Philadelphia transit strike of 1944.  Disgusting.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

I don't like unions.  I disliked them even more when I learned they went on strike during WWII (airplane bomber plant) and the Korean war (railroad union).  Truman told those rr union members they could go back to work or he would nationalize them. 

Oh and the Philadelphia transit strike of 1944.  Disgusting.

Which is why the DUmbasses despise Taft-Hartley; it was inspired by those very actions. The unions gave impetus to the very Act they claim hurts them.

[zeitgeist]

And what I most enjoy about DUmmy union threads  is the fact that most of them are not now nor will they ever be members of a union.  They support the union that their great aunt's uncle Harry belong to back in the thirties.  Not a lot of unions out there for unemployed basement dwelling cheeto munchers, ditto street artists and baristas.  One of the nasty requirements for union membership is to have a JOB.  In the old days it was usually in a trade or craft but now a days it could be as a public servant, regardless it requires you to show up and draw a pay check.

[NHSparky]

And what I most enjoy about DUmmy union threads  is the fact that most of them are not now nor will they ever be members of a union.  They support the union that their great aunt's uncle Harry belong to back in the thirties.  Not a lot of unions out there for unemployed basement dwelling cheeto munchers, ditto street artists and baristas.  One of the nasty requirements for union membership is to have a JOB.  In the old days it was usually in a trade or craft but now a days it could be as a public servant, regardless it requires you to show up and draw a pay check.

Zeit--you don't have to have a job to be in a union.  Just go to the Local 490, 103, or 976 halls and see how long the wait list is for the new guys.

And considering Seabrook just laid off a buttload of contractors (Shaw) the list got longer still.

There's a reason the 490 guys joke that IBEW stands for, "I'm Broke Every Winter."

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

You're wrong Zeit.

They're proud members of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republic.

[zeitgeist]

Ok, Ok, I stand corrected.   

Yes, you can be an unemployed card carrying union member, however, I suspect they still expect you to pay dues for the privilidge while unemployed nicht wahr? 

Then too, there was the guy who claimed the union kept taking dues out of his retirement check for associate membership almost thirty years after he had retired. He had direct deposit and didn't realize it until his wife died and he got looking at things like that.

It use to be imposible for guys to get out of the union when they had direct withdrawal because the union would tell them they could only get out on their anniversary date (there by setting up a catch 22 situation).  By the time the paperwork cleared to cancel the allotment the date had passed and the bill had been paid.  Unions really do suck and being forced to join sucks even harder.  Trust me I know from personal experience as a young lad. 

[jukin]

Unions are criminal organizations.

[sybilll]

Chrysler workers canned for drinking on the job reinstated

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/12/08/chrysler-workers-canned-for-drinking-on-job-reinstated/#ixzz2EhYDk159
^ is why we hate the  unions.  It's the human slugs like this that need union representation, and a free people have every right to choose to have no  part of it. 

[USA4ME]

Now all we need to complete this thread is for the Sam Dodd nutter to log on and tell us that employees should make a living wage while those who started the business and risk their own capital should "keep(ing) a small percentage for the owner."

Yeah, that's what made America the land of opportuity; someone coming up with an idea and everyone making money off it except them.

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[Freeper]

Now all we need to complete this thread is for the Sam Dodd nutter to log on and tell us that employees should make a living wage while those who started the business and risk their own capital should "keep(ing) a small percentage for the owner."

Yeah, that's what made America the land of opportuity; someone coming up with an idea and everyone making money off it except them.

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Well that is the only fair way. The evil rich owners stole from the poor in the first place. 

[Dori]

I hate, hate unions for lots of reasons.  #1 on my list are the teacher unions and I could write a book on the reasons why.  I've lived through months of teamster, long shoreman, grocery, public transportation, air line, doc workers, nurse, carpenter, police, and even hospitality service strikes and protests.  

I see them as an anti-American, anti-capitalist, and selfish thugocracy.  They don't even produce on an exceptional level.  They only promote mediocracy at a high price.

[SSG Snuggle Bunny]

They're a monopoly; a monopoly on labor but a monopoly nonetheless.

And like all monopolies: once they corner a market the consumer suffers because of the lack of comeptition.

However, where corporations have anti-trust laws in some places labor monopolies are protected by force of law.

[DumbAss Tanker]

They're a monopoly; a monopoly on labor but a monopoly nonetheless.

Just a horizontal trust instead of a vertical one, really...dominant control (Thanks to the government protection) of one key input to a given industry's product, to the detriment of a free market in the input they control, and also to the detriment of pricing the final product to an objective market.

[thundley4]

Just a horizontal trust instead of a vertical one, really...dominant control (Thanks to the government protection) of one key input to a given industry's product, to the detriment of a free market in the input they control, and also to the detriment of pricing the final product to an objective market.

Cars are a good example of that price effect.

[Dori]

They're a monopoly; a monopoly on labor but a monopoly nonetheless.

And like all monopolies: once they corner a market the consumer suffers because of the lack of comeptition.

However, where corporations have anti-trust laws in some places labor monopolies are protected by force of law.

Exactly.  They shut out the little guy and true competition.  They ruin the American dream for everyone else, and the state is in collusion helping them do it. 

[98ZJUSMC]

Found on Instapundit:

THIS MAY BE WHY RIGHT-TO-WORK PASSED EVEN IN MICHIGAN: “According to union documents, ‘representational activities’ (money spent on bargaining contracts for members) made up only 11 percent of total spending for the union. Meanwhile, spending on ‘general overhead’ (union administration and employee benefits) comprised of 61 percent of the total spending.”

What business would remain so with 61% overhead?  Maybe that's a euphemism for golf course.

[diesel driver]

Found on Instapundit:

What business would remain so with 61% overhead?  Maybe that's a euphemism for golf course.

Or bar tab.

[vesta111]

Excuse my ignorance on this subject but was it not sometime in the 1970 when a union leader stole all the retirement pay from the workers and went on the Lam.   He and the money were no where to be found but the retirees who depended on their on their pension were suddenly left with no retirement. ????

Vaguely as it was so many years ago , I was a house wife changing diapers for a couple of kids with no worry, Hubby was Military.

Flash forward to just a couple years ago when a coworker just shy of retirement told me that he at 18 had with help of family joined the Teamsters Union.   He worked for them for perhaps 18 months and moved on.  Someone told him that what ever he did or as poor as he got to keep paying in dues to the Union. 

So he joined other Unions in the next 40 years and when he left his priority was to first keep paying dues to every Union he joined.   

What that means is after 25-40 years as a dues paying member he was on the edge of collecting not just #SS but from all the Unions he had put money into as a member for 40+ years. 

I asked what would happen if he did not outlive his wife, answer was she would collect on his retirement 5 ways fro   

I do not know today if he did retire but I am sure he is not wanting for Union Money.  Safer then a bank or stocks and bonds he told me.     

[zeitgeist]

Excuse my ignorance on this subject ... {snip}  Safer then a bank or stocks and bonds he told me.     

On this rather overcast day here is something for you to play with.  Let us know what you find.

Click here > Union pensions are safe as mother's milk 

[JohnnyReb]

On this rather overcast day here is something for you to play with.  Let us know what you find.

Click here > Union pensions are safe as mother's milk 

Nadin says, "Don't drink the milk".

[zeitgeist]

Nadin says, "Don't drink the milk".

And sometimes a picture is worth a thousand words

Warning Adult Content Ahead

DO NOT CLICK IF EASILY OFFENDED

 

but interjecting the name of a Bald Dwarf in proximity of boobies and motherhood is a serious offence. 

Go and sin no more.

[DumbAss Tanker]

OK, that was weird.