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Nads the bully
« on: November 25, 2012, 12:04:14 PM »
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Why Walmart is the leader in low wages?
Been thinking about it, and it applies to the rest of the industry. It is a cultural underbelly in our culture.

It is couched in business talk, but that is the excuse.

This is older than the United States, and poor laws of the old country are part of it.

Ready? The poor are poor because they deserve it. They don't work hard enough, and if we paid them more, they will spend in drink and gamble it away. That is not moral. That ladies and gentleman is at the core of our attitudes versus the working poor. Not necessarily you or me...but that is it in a nutshell. Oh and the very wealthy, they are saved already, this is the core of Calvinism and puritanical thought, so buzz off.

Hell, the core of the really ugly conservative critique of public services is right there as well.

I did not say it was nice, now did I? But as we demand living wages, which is what we should demand, remember this ugly reality.


http://sync.democraticunderground.com/10021879573#post32



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20. I never find all that great deals at Walmart and I like the clothes at Target much better.

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And if Walmart employees are so disgruntled that they want me to stay away, I have no problem with that. Beats me why my declining to shop there is good for them.



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33. Anti-union, are you?

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11. Disagree, Walmart is more competitive because it uses labor more efficiently, buys from suppliers at

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cheaper prices, distributes products cheaper, and manages its inventories more effectively than competitors.

To focus exclusively on labor costs is to ignore other business processes that made Walmart dominant and will allow any competitor to replace Walmart by selling products that customers demand at cheaper prices and offering better service.

Would you have it any other way?
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12. Yes I would have it another way

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Living wages in retail, like Demos and others suggest...

Watch, business language, like you just did, will fight this. The working poor deserve full eight hour shifts and a living wage. They deserve the dignity of being able to feed their families without food stamps, and to afford health care, without medical or any other state program.

You disagree?

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15. You do understand that if government imposed your "living wage" aka minimum wage that

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ceteris paribus and mutatis mutandis an economy will return to its present state.

Perhaps a solution is to reduce the supply of labor, a very effective way to reduce unemployment but as China et al have discovered it will take persistent, draconian policies and decades to achieve. The attendant side effects on society such as an aging population are also unpleasant.

 
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29. I suggest you read this carefully

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http://www.demos.org/publication/retails-hidden-potential-how-raising-wages-would-benefit-workers-industry-and-overall-ec



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16. The poor are poor because they don't have the skills we pay a premium for.

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That doesn't mean they "deserve it". It means a person hiring can pick from so many people that they can hire the person who is willing to be paid less.

The more irreplaceable and non-interchangeable you are, the more money you will make because you have leverage. The easier it is to replace you the less money you make.


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18. aka supply versus demand. nt



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23. Exactly. I know it's an unappealing thought that we aren't treasured as individuals,

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But if you want to work in a corporation, the person doing the cuts doesn't know you, and has no idea about your existence.

If you want to work for a small business, they may love you as an individual but have no revenues to keep you.

That corporate guy has as much feeling as you do when you decide to change cell carriers.


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Did you know many folks with bachelors and master degrees work at Walmart too? No, not out of choice, in more than a few areas they are like the only employer and I am not talking management either


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37. Degree in what? Is that something an employer would benefit from and is looking for?


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28. If anything it is class warfare from within. People choose where they shop and what they buy.

Why should Walmart be blamed if you decided to shop at Walmart? You should have spent your money elsewhere.

The problem is people are hypocrites. They engage in actions and then blame others for the results.




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31. Well, aren't we special...

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Re: Nads the bully
« Reply #1 on: November 25, 2012, 12:09:51 PM »
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Why Walmart is the leader in low wages?
Been thinking about it, and it applies to the rest of the industry. It is a cultural underbelly in our culture.

It is couched in business talk, but that is the excuse.

This is older than the United States, and poor laws of the old country are part of it.

Ready? The poor are poor because they deserve it. They don't work hard enough, and if we paid them more, they will spend in drink and gamble it away. That is not moral. That ladies and gentleman is at the core of our attitudes versus the working poor. Not necessarily you or me...but that is it in a nutshell. Oh and the very wealthy, they are saved already, this is the core of Calvinism and puritanical thought, so buzz off.

Hell, the core of the really ugly conservative critique of public services is right there as well.

I did not say it was nice, now did I? But as we demand living wages, which is what we should demand, remember this ugly reality.

I'm impressed. In one single post she has shown her complete lack of knowledge in a vast variety of areas. That takes talent.
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Re: Nads the bully
« Reply #2 on: November 25, 2012, 12:12:45 PM »
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Ready? The poor are poor because they deserve it. They don't work hard enough, and if we paid them more, they will spend in drink and gamble it away. That is not moral. That ladies and gentleman is at the core of our attitudes versus the working poor. Not necessarily you or me...but that is it in a nutshell. Oh and the very wealthy, they are saved already, this is the core of Calvinism and puritanical thought, so buzz off.

If people got what they deserved this thing would be starving to death while lying in its own filth.
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Re: Nads the bully
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2012, 12:19:34 PM »
If education is the problem for people being poor than why are there people with degrees working for Walmart or McDonalds?

Called an economy. Surely more funding would mean more wages for them.
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Re: Nads the bully
« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2012, 12:26:13 PM »
The problem isn't Walmart, Kmart or any of the big box stores that DUmmies love to gripe about. The problem is with the workers, and by no means do I mean all workers, but it seems a majority of the workers today demand a living wage for a minimum amount of labor.

If Walmart said tomorrow that if you want a raise that you have to earn it and set up the steps to earn that wage, how many workers would not only meet those expectations but surpass them? I say, not many will. I think most will gripe and whine, that in order to get a better wage, they have to do something to earn it.

The problem is, the left teaches people that they deserve CEO wages with none of the hard work or responsibility to get there. Then they wonder why people have become lazy. When you are taught that you are owed everything just because your mother didn't exercise her choice to kill you in the womb, then why should you have to work to get what you are told is rightfully yours.



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Re: Nads the bully
« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2012, 12:30:41 PM »
dkf was awesome in that thread. And what's going on with Nadin? she's being really snotty and combative lately, I used to feel a little bit sorry for her, but this attitude she's had lately makes me not feel sorry for her.
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Re: Nads the bully
« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2012, 12:33:20 PM »
Quote from: Freeper on November 25, 2012, 12:26:13 PM
The problem isn't Walmart, Kmart or any of the big box stores that DUmmies love to gripe about. The problem is with the workers, and by no means do I mean all workers, but it seems a majority of the workers today demand a living wage for a minimum amount of labor.

If Walmart said tomorrow that if you want a raise that you have to earn it and set up the steps to earn that wage, how many workers would not only meet those expectations but surpass them? I say, not many will. I think most will gripe and whine, that in order to get a better wage, they have to do something to earn it.

The problem is, the left teaches people that they deserve CEO wages with none of the hard work or responsibility to get there. Then they wonder why people have become lazy. When you are taught that you are owed everything just because your mother didn't exercise her choice to kill you in the womb, then why should you have to work to get what you are told is rightfully yours.

What the heck happened with people working multiple jobs? I worked 2 jobs for 15 years, my Mom worked multiple jobs, as did my Dad at times, you do what you have to do to take care of yourself. The left is totally responsible for the laziness that seems to permeate our society.
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Re: Nads the bully
« Reply #7 on: November 25, 2012, 12:35:05 PM »
Quote from: Ballygrl on November 25, 2012, 12:33:20 PM
What the heck happened with people working multiple jobs? I worked 2 jobs for 15 years, my Mom worked multiple jobs, as did my Dad at times, you do what you have to do to take care of yourself. The left is totally responsible for the laziness that seems to permeate our society.

They are taught that working 2 jobs is oppressive. They are owed a living wage for 20 hours of work a week.
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Re: Nads the bully
« Reply #8 on: November 25, 2012, 12:41:31 PM »
Quote from: Ballygrl on November 25, 2012, 12:30:41 PM
And what's going on with Nadin? she's being really snotty and combative lately, I used to feel a little bit sorry for her, but this attitude she's had lately makes me not feel sorry for her.
Whoa. Nutcase nadin is snotty and combative when she's in a good mood, and she's rarely in a good mood.

You're just seeing her normal disposition, though she's maybe a little more prolific than usual due to the DOTY campaign season.
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Re: Nads the bully
« Reply #9 on: November 25, 2012, 01:02:00 PM »
One of the DUmmies unwisely posted this graphic comparing state minimum wage with the average WalMart wage in each state.

It shows WalMart paying $4-$5 per hour more than minimum wage, with their average running $12-$14 per hour.

I wonder if the few DUmp democrats who work make that much.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703960004575427143390869962.html#sfmsg_-7890|0|0@@
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Re: Nads the bully
« Reply #10 on: November 25, 2012, 01:16:53 PM »
Quote from: Freeper on November 25, 2012, 12:35:05 PM
They are taught that working 2 jobs is oppressive. They are owed a living wage for 20 hours of work a week.


Freeper, I always enjoy your posts, but I think you've got the above incorrect. From what I've seen they are taught that working is oppressive and that they are owed a living wage for simply existing.
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Re: Nads the bully
« Reply #11 on: November 25, 2012, 01:19:45 PM »
The great and powerful gNads had her ass handed to her for the past week. In order to compensate, she lashes out at anything another DUmmie says, regardless how right they are.
Standard pat answer runs along this line.....
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29. I suggest you read this carefully
...or some other drivel.  GNads hasn't read the stuff either. Had she done so, she would understand what others are referring to.
Other fairly standard responses are meant to demean and/or belittle.
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31. Well, aren't we special...
The dismissive responses seem to run a pattern.
The more wrong she's proven to be, the greater the dismissive nature of reply.
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55. Have a magnificent day <--here
Snicker.  <---here
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Got it. <--- meant to be sarc of course

Have a magnificent day <--fairly common dismissal
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snicker... <--- The new favorite?
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Those facts lead to a POSSIBILITY. or you are having reading comprehension issues? <--- questions persons intellect in order to appear superior.
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59. I said it was, and you said it wasn't
snicker.  :lmao: :rotf:
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Got it. <---
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I am still snickering over that one.

(For the record I know what the article said) <-- superiority
What was it, a day or two later she went whining to Skammer that she was being "bullied". :lmao:
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Re: Nads the bully
« Reply #12 on: November 25, 2012, 01:25:02 PM »
Quote from: ChuckJ on November 25, 2012, 01:16:53 PM
Freeper, I always enjoy your posts, but I think you've got the above incorrect. From what I've seen they are taught that working is oppressive and that they are owed a living wage for simply existing.

That is true, but the ones who can be bothered to work only want to work 20 hours and get paid for 40 with full benefits at no cost to them.

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Re: Nads the bully
« Reply #13 on: November 25, 2012, 01:25:52 PM »
She is psychotic, the other dummies aren't even real to her.
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Re: Nads the bully
« Reply #14 on: November 25, 2012, 01:34:16 PM »
The TV we just bought at Walmart online the other day? $138, right now it's listed as $159, the price for the exact same TV at Target? $229.99. So keep making the dumbass comments about Walmart.
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Re: Nads the bully
« Reply #15 on: November 25, 2012, 01:38:01 PM »
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Did you know many folks with bachelors and master degrees work at Walmart too? No, not out of choice, in more than a few areas they are like the only employer and I am not talking management either

Is it WalMart's fault that a DUmmy has a degree in Afrocentric Studies and a $100K student loan balance?

No, it's clearly the fault of George W. Bush.
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Re: Nads the bully
« Reply #16 on: November 25, 2012, 02:03:40 PM »
Quote from: Freeper on November 25, 2012, 12:26:13 PM
The problem isn't Walmart, Kmart or any of the big box stores that DUmmies love to gripe about. The problem is with the workers, and by no means do I mean all workers, but it seems a majority of the workers today demand a living wage for a minimum amount of labor.



Or Education.

DUmmies, who dropped out of school in the 8th grade or have a Doctorate in 8th century mating habits of a slug, think that they are entitled to the same wages as someone who has a MBA.
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Re: Nads the bully
« Reply #17 on: November 25, 2012, 02:06:25 PM »
These halfwits no nothing about being poor! Most Americans know nothing of poor! A soldier in a foxhole 1000's of miles from home in some shithole knows a little bit about being poor. Other than that not so much!
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Re: Nads the bully
« Reply #18 on: November 25, 2012, 03:00:35 PM »
1- They drop out of school to smoke dope and.....

2-  If they stay in school, they're taught by cheating, unqualified teachers.... http://news.msn.com/us/feds-teachers-paid-for-ringers-to-take-aptitude-tests......
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Re: Nads the bully
« Reply #19 on: November 25, 2012, 04:10:41 PM »
Quote from: JohnnyReb on November 25, 2012, 03:00:35 PM
1- They drop out of school to smoke dope and.....

2-  If they stay in school, they're taught by cheating, unqualified teachers.... http://news.msn.com/us/feds-teachers-paid-for-ringers-to-take-aptitude-tests......


Whoa great link.  I also read the story behind it about the gas explosion in Springfield, Ma.  Gas worker pierced a pipe causing it.  Big bucks will be paid.

Teachers cheating?  Who'd a thunk it.  That raises even more questions but dinner is about to be served.
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Re: Nads the bully
« Reply #20 on: November 25, 2012, 04:14:59 PM »
Shelby County :whatever:
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Re: Nads the bully
« Reply #21 on: November 25, 2012, 04:24:58 PM »
Quote from: Chris_ on November 25, 2012, 04:14:59 PM
Shelby County
I doubt if teachers' qualifications would make any difference in Shelby County.

Shelby County schools only serve to keep some of the hoodrats off the streets for a few hours each day, making Memphis a little safer for the decent people who are forced to work there.
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Re: Nads the bully
« Reply #22 on: November 25, 2012, 04:25:36 PM »
Quote from: JohnnyReb on November 25, 2012, 03:00:35 PM
1- They drop out of school to smoke dope and.....

2-  If they stay in school, they're taught by cheating, unqualified teachers.... http://news.msn.com/us/feds-teachers-paid-for-ringers-to-take-aptitude-tests......


This will be posted at the DUmp in 3...2...1
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Come to think of it, unions do create jobs. Companies have to hire two workers to do the work of one.

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Re: Nads the bully
« Reply #23 on: November 25, 2012, 05:20:34 PM »
Quote from: Freeper on November 25, 2012, 01:25:02 PM
That is true, but the ones who can be bothered to work only want to work 20 hours and get paid for 40 with full benefits at no cost to them.



At CEO level pay, it's only fair if your mediocre work ethic and intelligence has been winning you participation ribbons throughout your academic career.
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Re: Nads the bully
« Reply #24 on: November 25, 2012, 08:57:44 PM »
If the employees are to stupid to work at better jobs then who is at fault? The left runs the education system in the US. It might be that a small number of people are not all that smart but the majority have to be at least average intelligent people and able to work.
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