Dem lawyers: Fla., Mich. can't be fully restored

[Chris_]

Dem lawyers: Fla., Mich. can't be fully restored

WASHINGTON (AP) - A Democratic Party rules committee has the authority to seat some delegates from Michigan and Florida but not fully restore the two states as Hillary Rodham Clinton wants, according to party lawyers.
Democratic National Committee rules require that the two states lose at least half of their convention delegates for holding elections too early, the party's legal experts wrote in a 38-page memo.

The memo was sent late Tuesday to the 30 members of the party's Rules and Bylaws Committee, which plans to meet Saturday at a Washington hotel. The committee is considering ways to include the two important general election battlegrounds at the nominating convention in August, and the staff analysis says seating half the delegates is "as far as it legally can" go.

Saturday's meeting is expected to draw a large crowd, with Clinton supporters among those encouraging a protest outside demanding that all the states' delegates be seated. Proponents of full reseating have mailed committee members Florida oranges and pairs of shoes to get their attention.

DNC officials are concerned about a potentially large turnout at the "Count Every Vote" rally outside the event and have asked the hotel staff to increase security to keep everyone safe. The DNC says the roughly 500 seats available to the public inside were taken within three or four minutes of becoming available online Tuesday.

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[Wretched Excess]

DNC officials are concerned about a potentially large turnout at the "Count Every Vote" rally outside the event . . .

they did this to themselves, of course.

[bijou]

Does this mean there'll be more turmoil and infighting? 

[jendf]

Does this mean there'll be more turmoil and infighting? 

One can only hope! 

[Chris_]

Does this mean there'll be more turmoil and infighting? 

Gee, I dunno...with leaders like this....



Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggggggggg.

 

[franksolich]

Hey, Wretched Excess, sir, because there wasn't a primary yesterday, are we going to have a play-by-play thread here about the Democrat meeting on Saturday?

It would be a good idea.

[USA4ME]

They don't allow these two states to have their votes counted the way the other 48 have, they disrespect the voters.  They allow them to vote the way the other 48 have voted, they take a chance of further damaging BHO because of how the various voting blocks will divide their support.

Good stuff.

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[Wretched Excess]

Hey, Wretched Excess, sir, because there wasn't a primary yesterday, are we going to have a play-by-play thread here about the Democrat meeting on Saturday?

It would be a good idea.

sounds like a plan.  it will probably bore the rest of the board to death, but we'll enjoy it.

[Wretched Excess]

They don't allow these two states to have their votes counted the way the other 48 have, they disrespect the voters.  They allow them to vote the way the other 48 have voted, they take a chance of further damaging BHO because of how the various voting blocks will divide their support.

Good stuff.

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yeah, no matter what they do saturday, there is no way they won't come out of it unscathed.

[Chris_]

They don't allow these two states to have their votes counted the way the other 48 have, they disrespect the voters.  They allow them to vote the way the other 48 have voted, they take a chance of further damaging BHO because of how the various voting blocks will divide their support.

Good stuff.

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yeah, no matter what they do saturday, there is no way they won't come out of it unscathed.

But you can still expect a pass from the MSM and a spin to the left from Howie Dean.   

[Wretched Excess]

They don't allow these two states to have their votes counted the way the other 48 have, they disrespect the voters.  They allow them to vote the way the other 48 have voted, they take a chance of further damaging BHO because of how the various voting blocks will divide their support.

Good stuff.

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yeah, no matter what they do saturday, there is no way they won't come out of it unscathed.

But you can still expect a pass from the MSM and a spin to the left from Howie Dean.   

florida is going to cream to high heaven if they don't get their delegation fully seated, and they have something of a point, since both candidates were on the ballot, and neither one campaigned.  it at least resembled a level playing field.  I don't know WHAT they are going to do in MI, though.

but right now, the obama campaign is probably realizing that they will still have the nomination safely in hand if they relent on FL and MI.  that way, they appear magnanimous, and don't have 6 million pissed off florida voters to have to contend with in november.

[Lacarnut]

They don't allow these two states to have their votes counted the way the other 48 have, they disrespect the voters.  They allow them to vote the way the other 48 have voted, they take a chance of further damaging BHO because of how the various voting blocks will divide their support.

Good stuff.

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Maybe these clowns can dig up some more states. You know Obama been to 57 of them. The Queen is pulling out all the stops. She is toast but I would never count her out. Wellstone's & Foster's do happen. 

[Chris_]

They don't allow these two states to have their votes counted the way the other 48 have, they disrespect the voters.  They allow them to vote the way the other 48 have voted, they take a chance of further damaging BHO because of how the various voting blocks will divide their support.

Good stuff.

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Maybe these clowns can dig up some more states. You know Obama been to 57 of them. The Queen is pulling out all the stops. She is toast but I would never count her out. Wellstone's & Foster's do happen.  :fuelfire: :lmao: :popcorn:

NEVER count a clinton out.  NEVER. That is like checking to see if the monster is really dead.

[Lauri]

They don't allow these two states to have their votes counted the way the other 48 have, they disrespect the voters.  They allow them to vote the way the other 48 have voted, they take a chance of further damaging BHO because of how the various voting blocks will divide their support.

Good stuff.

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yeah, no matter what they do saturday, there is no way they won't come out of it unscathed.

at this point, i dont know how either of them recovers. Hilary has said and done SO many stupid things, but yes, do not count her out yet.

and the BarackStar!! is so woefully ignorant about what the job actually entails, I just cant see the average adult in America giving him their votes. he just keeps stepping in it time after time... i think by November people will be sick of him... or her.. whoever wins.

[Miss Mia]

They'll seat half the delegates. 

They should seat all and only give them half votes.  That way the DNC can say "well, we did seat all of you."  LOL

[jendf]

They'll seat half the delegates. 

They should seat all and only give them half votes.  That way the DNC can say "well, we did seat all of you."  LOL

Hey! You're thinking like a Democrat. 

[Miss Mia]

They'll seat half the delegates. 

They should seat all and only give them half votes.  That way the DNC can say "well, we did seat all of you."  LOL

Hey! You're thinking like a Democrat. 

damnit.   


LOL.  Nah, they screwed up on this.  They should have only cut them half in the first place.  But again, if Hillary had dropped out a month or so ago this wouldn't have been a big deal.  Or if she, I dunno, raised a stink about it back in August/Sept when they laid down the punishment instead of now when it "benefits" her.  *shrug* 

[Hawkgirl]

We're all disenfranchised down here and we want our votes counted...dammit!

 

[USA4ME]

They'll seat half the delegates. 

They should seat all and only give them half votes.

I think you're onto something.  The only suggestion I would add is instead of making them half a vote, in honor of history and in representation of how liberals today continue to treat minorities, let them count as 3/5ths of a vote.

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[Hawkgirl]

On second thought, not counting the florida votes, may piss people off enough to cross the line into voting for an independant, John McCain.

[Lauri]

They'll seat half the delegates. 

They should seat all and only give them half votes.  That way the DNC can say "well, we did seat all of you."  LOL

I hope the Dems never, ever forget who did this to them. *their* own leaders.

yay! its not us this time!

[rich_t]

Weren't the Dems the ones bitching about counting every vote in 2000 and 2004?

What has changed their minds this year?

[Wretched Excess]

They'll seat half the delegates. 

They should seat all and only give them half votes.  That way the DNC can say "well, we did seat all of you."  LOL

Hey! You're thinking like a Democrat. 

damnit.   


LOL.  Nah, they screwed up on this.  They should have only cut them half in the first place.  But again, if Hillary had dropped out a month or so ago this wouldn't have been a big deal.  Or if she, I dunno, raised a stink about it back in August/Sept when they laid down the punishment instead of now when it "benefits" her.  *shrug* 

there we people here *cough*cough*WEandLauri*cough*cough* that knew this would be a big deal months ago. 

the threat to strip them of their delegates should have been just that, a threat.  once it didn't work, there should have been an instant plan "B".  but doing anything that remotely resembled "disenfranchising florida", in light of democrat rhetoric since 2000, should have set off warning lights in howard deans otherwise unlit head.

it was a LOSER of a play.  he's just fortunate that (for one thing) hillary didn't hit the home run she was looking for in IN.  this could actually be much, much worse that it is right now.

[Miss Mia]

They'll seat half the delegates. 

They should seat all and only give them half votes.  That way the DNC can say "well, we did seat all of you."  LOL

Hey! You're thinking like a Democrat. 

damnit.   


LOL.  Nah, they screwed up on this.  They should have only cut them half in the first place.  But again, if Hillary had dropped out a month or so ago this wouldn't have been a big deal.  Or if she, I dunno, raised a stink about it back in August/Sept when they laid down the punishment instead of now when it "benefits" her.  *shrug* 

there we people here *cough*cough*WEandLauri*cough*cough* that knew this would be a big deal months ago. 

the threat to strip them of their delegates should have been just that, a threat.  once it didn't work, there should have been an instant plan "B".  but doing anything that remotely resembled "disenfranchising florida", in light of democrat rhetoric since 2000, should have set off warning lights in howard deans otherwise unlit head.

it was a LOSER of a play.  he's just fortunate that (for one thing) hillary didn't hit the home run she was looking for in IN.  this could actually be much, much worse that it is right now.

Agreed.  I've thought that Dean screwed the pooch on this one for a few months now. 

But again, back when they decided to strip them of all delegates, no one would have thought that the primary season would go on for this long.  Hillary herself said it would be over by Super Tuesday.

[Wretched Excess]

They'll seat half the delegates. 

They should seat all and only give them half votes.  That way the DNC can say "well, we did seat all of you."  LOL

Hey! You're thinking like a Democrat. 

damnit.   


LOL.  Nah, they screwed up on this.  They should have only cut them half in the first place.  But again, if Hillary had dropped out a month or so ago this wouldn't have been a big deal.  Or if she, I dunno, raised a stink about it back in August/Sept when they laid down the punishment instead of now when it "benefits" her.  *shrug* 

there we people here *cough*cough*WEandLauri*cough*cough* that knew this would be a big deal months ago. 

the threat to strip them of their delegates should have been just that, a threat.  once it didn't work, there should have been an instant plan "B".  but doing anything that remotely resembled "disenfranchising florida", in light of democrat rhetoric since 2000, should have set off warning lights in howard deans otherwise unlit head.

it was a LOSER of a play.  he's just fortunate that (for one thing) hillary didn't hit the home run she was looking for in IN.  this could actually be much, much worse that it is right now.

Agreed.  I've thought that Dean screwed the pooch on this one for a few months now. 

But again, back when they decided to strip them of all delegates, no one would have thought that the primary season would go on for this long.  Hillary herself said it would be over by Super Tuesday.

exactly.  hillary lost, IMO, because she thought she would coast to the nomination, and she had no game plan after super tuesday.  then she got annihiliated by the biggest thing to hit politics in about a hundred years.  I think if she had run the campaign that she ran since super tuesday before super tuesday, and even made an effort in all those western and midwestern caucus states, that this would be a very different race right now.

but having said all of that, there are some things you avoid because they just send the wrong message;  disenfranchising florida was the wrong thing to do irrespective of the closeness of the primary race.  howard dean just screwed that up beyond recognition;  he is lucky that it isn't a bigger disaster than it already is.