poll: is the DUmpster too mean to the primitives?

[franksolich]

Probably the last poll, as we move into the peak of the presidential campaign, the debates, the elections, the holiday in which the primitives like to disparage those who made the ultimate sacrifice so the rest of us may live as well as we do, the War On Christmas, the holiday in which the primitives Hate their families, and the nominations for Top DUmmies of 2012, which begin the eve of the last-mentioned holiday.

December, when the Top DUmmies are described and debated, is traditionally the busiest month of the year for the DUmpster, but this year with the presidential election, October and November are likely to be not far behind in readership and commentary.

And so the annual question: is the DUmpster too mean to the primitives?

Despite their diminished cerebral capacities, their black hearts, their Hate-filled souls, the primitives are after all flesh-and-blood people with feelings and sensibilities.  And decent and civilized people are commanded by God to love others, and to be compassionate towards those lesser than us.

That of course in a perfect world, and this is not--nor will it ever be--a perfect world.

The primitives seem their own worst enemies, in that the more they're given, the more they complain and want, if offered sweet gentle illumination they run away, and whenever the hand of friendship is offered them they bite it off. 

I myself used to think more highly of the primitives than I do now; a grievous erosion in good will that happened because, to be honest, the primitives see themselves as loathesome and disgusting beings, and can't imagine anyone else would see any redeeming value in them.

In an imperfect world, how is it possible to not have contempt for, scorn, such people?

Once in a while, some of us get some guff from other decent and civilized people, who think we're being too mean to these despicable beings, and so we moderate, tone down, minimize, our publicly-expressed opinions of the primitives to where our comments are a pale shadow, a parody, of how we really feel.

This is franksolich's case, and I'm sure it's the case of some others here; to get along with our decent and civilized peers who think we're being mean, we temper our observations of the primitives almost to the point of praising the primitives rather than damning them.  To get along, one goes along.

I'm kind of tired of being nice to the primitives; the chasm between what I say here and how I really feel, is enormous.

[Jasonw560]

I voted we're not mean enough. These people need to be beaten about the head and neck. You have to be strong against evil....and they're pure, grade "A" evil.

[Skul]

No.
We aren't mean to them. How is exposing the truth about them, mean?
If we wanted to be mean, we'd have to lie.

[BlueStateSaint]

I voted we're not mean enough. These people need to be beaten about the head and neck. You have to be strong against evil....and they're pure, grade "A" evil.

 

Couldn't agree more.

[franksolich]

I voted we're not mean enough. These people need to be beaten about the head and neck. You have to be strong against evil....and they're pure, grade "A" evil.

My philosophy is that as expressed by Lord Baring, an imperial colonial governor during the 1920s: the primitives need to feel vigorous application of the lash.  The lash might turn a few of them into decent and civilized people, and half-civilize a somewhat larger--but still very small--number. 

But 99.9% of the primitives need to feel the lash simply because they're primitives.

[franksolich]

No.

We aren't mean to them. How is exposing the truth about them, mean?

If we wanted to be mean, we'd have to lie.

For all the whining the primitives who think the DUmpster's "mean" to them, and some decent and civilized people who have qualms about being "too mean" to the primitives, do, I pose the question: when has the DUmpster ever said anything that was untrue, or exaggerated, about the primitives?

The DUmpster's the largest forum here on conservativecave:

Top 10 Boards*

360223 The DUmpster
129013 The Lounge
081441 General Discussion
054262 Breaking News
052378 Politics
020448 Election 2008  
019801 Mind Numbing Stupidity
019692 The Spa
016888 Cryin' in my Beer
014644 Topic Moderation

*note: conservativecave has several other boards, public and non-public; these are just the top ten of 58

The archives in the DUmpster comprise 1,187 pages, 20 threads per page.

The archives of the DUmping Ground (the "reference section" for the DUmpster) has 12 pages, 20 threads per page.

In all that wordage, I defy anybody to find any instance of what's been said about the primitives, or any particular primitive, was untrue, or even mildly exaggerated.

Try.  Just one example.

[USA4ME]

No, we're not.  I know I've personally dialed it back quite a bit from how I used to go after them on the B/W forum at CU.

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[franksolich]

No, we're not.  I know I've personally dialed it back quite a bit from how I used to go after them on the B/W forum at CU.

Yeah. me too.

It's a bitch, practicing verbal restraint.

[Undies]

is the DUmpster too mean to the primitives?

I'd like to quote Rhett Butler here:

[franksolich]

Our distinguished colleague and franksolich's good friend marv posted this in the "Politics" forum here, an excerpt of which describes not only Barack Milhous, but the primitives pretty well, too:

.....he has a sentiment, an ideologically-fired feeling about the way the world should work.  If the world fails to conform — as it has so conspicuously failed to do, on issues from the economy to energy to the “Arab Spring” — why, then, there must be something wrong with the world.....

.....responses is simply to “double down” and keep pursuing the path of failure.

.....has been guided not by the way the world is but by the way he believes it should be.....

.....takes his cues not from a recalcitrant reality but from his unshakeable ideological prior commitments.

It’s a moral blindness that lives at the center of a certain species of socialism: to regard reality, including human reality, as entirely plastic to a certain emotionally fired view of the way the world should be.  If the world fails to measure up, the fault is never with the failed policies but with an uncooperative world.

Your blueprint for utopia fails, the fault must lie with an insufficiently enlightened populace, “enemies of the state,” lingering counter-revolutionary bourgeois attitudes, etc., never with your policy.

That's the contemptible primitives, all right.

http://www.conservativecave.com/index.php/topic,78687.0.html

[Randy]

I voted yes because we are mean to them....in their eyes. In our eyes they richly deserve it and much much more. A fine example is the my abortion thread. Every one of them deserves a lobotomy, and that's just a start.

[franksolich]

I voted yes because we are mean to them....in their eyes. In our eyes they richly deserve it and much much more. A fine example is the my abortion thread.. Every one of them deserves a lobotomy, and that's just a start.

Has there ever appeared, here in the DUmpster or in "Best/Worst of DU" at our old home, or in any of P-J Comix's DUmmie FUnnies anything even close to that Hate and disregard for human life?

Ever?

Anything ever close?

Like, within 25 miles or something?

[Karin]

No, I don't think we're being too mean.  This is because of our MO.  We simply copy/paste their own words, verbatim.  Often we let that just stand alone.  Granted, sometimes we add a    or a 

[franksolich]

We simply copy/paste their own words, verbatim.  Often we let that just stand alone.

Well, I must say when I write the awards for the top primitives of 2012, the last week of December, I'm not going to hold anything back, about how I really feel about them.

It'll probably be the most hard-hitting, incisive, bulls'-eye series of awards ever.

And wholly accurate, no prettifying any sentiments so as to not offend.  Some people need offended.

[marv]

I voted Not Sure. Here's my rational.

The old adage, "You can lead a horse to water,..." seems to apply to them in my mind. Progressives are wrong on so many different levels, but they are such "true believers" that arguments, no matter how well reasoned, can change their collectivist mindset. No matter how many ways we point out the errors of their positions, they simply dig their heels in deeper.

My opinion comes from the many political discussions I've had with Progressives, one to the point that he took a swing at me. Like vampires, they feel that they are entitled to suck the blood of others. But when confronted with the light of reality, they seek the safety and comfort in the dark coffins of their minds.

My choice is to illustrate the points on which I think they are wrong. Calmly give them something to ponder. They may choose to think about them, or ignore everything. If they get angry, they've lost the argument so the possibility of communication ends.

The humiliation of seeing the error of their Weltbild is more powerful than meanness.

My 2¢.........

[franksolich]

Calmly give them something to ponder. They may choose to think about them, or ignore everything. If they get angry, they've lost the argument so the possibility of communication ends.

Been there, done that, seen that.

Ever since November 1980, when they became bitter, nasty, and divisive.

I finally gave up about 1992.

Since then, I've been torn between two things--saying what I really think, and saying sort of what I really think, in calm, cool, diplomatic, placating language.

I'm a pro at the latter--oh God, is franksolich a pro in this, with skills that would impress a Metternich or a Kissinger--but I'm tired of it, as it's been futile.  Primitives won't take anything less than 100% acceptance of their values and opinions; even 99% isn't enough.

I think it's about time to come out of the closet, and say things I really think.

[J P Sousa]

I voted not enough.

They have no shame, no credability, no class, and no brains.

(I didn't want to be too hard on them  )
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[franksolich]

I voted not enough.

They have no shame, no credability, no class, and no brains.

(I didn't want to be too hard on them  )
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Well, I think we should be a lot harder on them, than we had been.

I'm tired of hitting the primitives with a feather; I'd rather use a baseball bat.

[Randy]

Well, I think we should be a lot harder on them, than we had been.

I'm tired of hitting the primitives with a feather; I'd rather use a baseball bat.

Me too but the bat has to be attached to the bumper of a semi.

[Vagabond]

Not hard enough.

They may be primitives but the have far too many savages within their ranks. 

A primitive may find it odd that there are people who don't worship their giant crustacean, and might not like those people but won't do anything other than discuss the problem with other people who worship the crustacean. 

Savages, upon learning that there is somebody else, and that somebody doesn't worship their giant oyster are also shocked an agog about it.  Then the savages decide that anything the others have should be theres, because the giant oyster surely delivered it to them.  If he discovers that the others are too well protected for him to loot them, he will foam at the mouth and discuss how unfair the other are to him and plot.  That encompasses a god awful lot of DUmmies.  How many DUmmies would take part in a riot if it were happening near them?  Those are the savages.

If they ever got power, that would be the last election in this country.

[miskie]

Definitely not too mean.

We point out the errors of their ways, and the lies they embrace. There is nothing mean about that at all.

[Duke Nukum]

I used to think we were just about mean enough but the DUmmies just keep getting DUmber and DUmber.

[franksolich]

Me too but the bat has to be attached to the bumper of a semi.

I'm in the process of "training" now.  Saying what I really think, as compared with what I sort of think, muting my sentiments so as to not offend others, is a whole new ball game for me, and I have to practice.

It's the difference between playing genteel wimpy don't-get-my-clothes-dirty soccer and no-holds-barred rough-and-tumble rugby.

The awards for the Top DUmmies, along with the winners of the Willie and the Steve, twenty-two primitives in all, are written the last week of December, and I think by then I should be in full rugby mood, pulling no punches, telling each winning primitive (I have no idea yet who they'll be, but that doesn't matter) exactly what I really think about them, the scum.

As usual, I can promise to be accurate, but this time, I won't be showing any mercy, as I have in the past.

[Delmar]

The stakes are too high to go easy on the kind of people that are running our country into the ground.

I'll paraphrase Pamela Gellar: In any war between the civilized man and the primitive, support the civilized man.  Support the USA; Defeat the primitives.

[sybilll]

Not mean enough.  If I am going down, by God, I am going down swinging.  But I don't think we are at the end of the road yet.  The Tea Party is 41 million strong, and to quote Bill Whittle about the turnout for 2012: "they won't see it coming, and we will knock them out of their boots".