Does Labor need capital to exist?

[zeitgeist]

Without capital there would be no large boxes for the homeless to live in.

Good point.

[Rebel]

efhmc (8,800 posts)

11. Bartering labor or self sustaining work don't need capital.

Sounds like slavery. The slaves got shelter, food, water, and could have their own gardens and small plot of land. All that had to do was barter their labor.  

Too bad the majority of you DUmbasses are lazy potheads who are lazy as **** and what you consider your "arts" aren't worth the time it takes to smash it up and throw it in the trash.

[DefiantSix]

Does Labor need capital to exist?


 
We know that capital is of no use without labor but what about the other way round?

 

This DUmbshit has obviously never started a business.

If most cases are anything like my own, the guy supplying the "start-up capital" is also the guy supplying ALL of the labor, in the beginning, from salesman and every slot on the "assembly line", to the delivery guy and the accounts receivable bookkeeper. 80 - 100 hour work weeks aren't uncommon in those early days, and DUmbasses standing around expecting to get paid for keeping the floor from colliding with the roof are not appreciated.

[Wineslob]

I say its time to lead by example

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The dip shits tried, moar epic failure:

http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/

scroll down to "Gill Tract". Even the Occupy dimwits don't want to work for "nothing".

****ing losers.   

[docstew]

At a certain point in any startup venture, labor IS capital. The entrepeneur might not have the money, but the work they put in will at least get things going. To use your example of a lemonade stand: The enterpeneur could go out, cut down a tree and produce lumber from it. There's the wood to build the stand. They could go out and pick the lemons. They could go out and learn glass blowing to produce pitchers from sand. They could purify the water, etc., etc., ad nauseum. This would work, but it would be terribly inefficient.

They talk of bartering. Money is an indirect barter. You barter your time and effort to produce a good for someone to purchase for an agreed upon amount of money. then you barter your money to someone else for the good they produce for an agreed upon amount of money.

[GOP Congress]

Did he use capital to buy the boat or did he barter for it?

And who bartered for all the materials and intermediate production processes involved to make the darn boat in the first place, including the mining of ores and the cutting down of beloved trees? And what did they barter? Kumbaya songs on Chinese-made iPods?

[Duke Nukum]

Capital is the theft and accumulation of the surplus generated by that process. Of course labor doesn't need capital to exist. Labor exists in itself and for itself. Capital is parasitic on labor in the first and last instance.

Okay, then. Go and exist on your own and leave we good natured, normal, decent civillized folk the Hell alone!

[jukin]

It is not capital. It is brains and experience. Something a DUche has neither. 

[Jasonw560]

No one works just for work's sake. It goes against our very being. If one works merely for food, clothing, and shelter, that's a form of capital. It's an investment in your life so you (and your family) don't go hungry or die from exposure to the elements.

It's also in our nature as people to want to be BETTER. That's why people take risks. That's what make entrepreneurs invest blood, sweat, and tears into their businesses THAT THEY BUILT.
It's why the burger flipper at McDonald's learns how to do the other jobs required to run the store. That's why the nurse's aid goes to nursing school. To be better.