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Neil Peart: It is impossible to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ and be a Republican.

http://www2.macleans.ca/2012/08/13/on-introverts-learning-to-improvise-and-why-people-should-be-nicer-to-one-another/

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Rush’s 20th studio release, Clockwork Angels, hit No. 1 in Canada in June—not bad for a steampunk, progressive rock concept album. Its story, about a young man who flees a land designed to function in perfect mechanical order, reflects the philosophy of drummer and lyricist Neil Peart. Now living in Santa Monica with his wife and daughter, the native of St. Catharines, Ont., is preparing with his long-time bandmates, bassist-singer Geddy Lee and guitarist Alex Lifeson for a concert tour that starts next month. At a Toronto rehearsal studio, he granted a rare interview about musical integrity, freedom and his fight to escape precision.

Q: Clockwork Angels deals with concepts of fate, circumstance, and free will, which you’ve been writing about throughout your career. What are your thoughts on these issues now?

A: I remain the optimist: you just do your best and hope for the best. But it’s an evolving state of mind. I still totally believe in individual rights and individual responsibility and in choosing to do good. On the liberal side of things, they go to an extreme of how people need to be led, and they can’t handle freedom. Pure libertarianism believes that people will be generous and help each other. Well, they won’t. I wish it were so, and I live that way. I help panhandlers, but other people are, “Oh look at that—why doesn’t he get a job?” While I believe in all that freedom, I also believe that no one should suffer needlessly. A realization I had lately: it is impossible to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ and be a Republican. It’s philosophically absolutely opposed—if they could only think about what they were saying for a minute. That’s when you get caught up in the webs of what people call themselves and how they behave. You just become adaptable and try to lead a good life in ways that make sense, regardless. Because I know at the end of it, if I’m going to meet Jesus or Allah or Buddha, I’m going to be all right.
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:yawn: Nobody cares.

#1 in Canada?   Good luck with that.
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A realization I had lately: it is impossible to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ and be a Republican. It’s philosophically absolutely opposed—if they could only think about what they were saying for a minute. That’s when you get caught up in the webs of what people call themselves and how they behave. You just become adaptable and try to lead a good life in ways that make sense, regardless. Because I know at the end of it, if I’m going to meet Jesus or Allah or Buddha, I’m going to be all right.

Neil Peart is one of the greatest drummers of all time, and a huge influence on me. But this I totally disagree with. And here is why....

Case one: Democrats are about helping people and supporting the needy (The Republicans are also), but the Democrats are more into it for helping the lazy than they are about anyone else. Jesus said help those who can't help themselves, not those who refuse to help themselves.

Democrats are more for socialism than they are for capitalism. Jesus did not like the government running everything.

Case two: Luke 18:18 - 22 ~ 'A certain ruler asked him, “Good teacher, what must I do to inherit eternal life?”

“Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone. 20You know the commandments: ‘Do not commit adultery, do not murder, do not steal, do not give false testimony, honor your father and mother.’b”

“All these I have kept since I was a boy,” he said.

When Jesus heard this, he said to him, “You still lack one thing. Sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”

When he heard this, he became very sad, because he was a man of great wealth. 24Jesus looked at him and said, “How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God! Indeed, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.” '


Although that passage is true. You will find that Republicans are the most generous when giving money away. They give a lot of what they get away. The Democrats? Not so much. They are more bent on using the tax payers money for their own good and the socialist programs they want to enact. They want the government to control everything. The republicans do not. All you have to do is look at the charity giving charts for the past year to see that.

Another point: The republicans want you to work for what you have. The Democrats just want to hand it to without any standard of doing something with yourself.

Case three: You can be a Democrat and be a Christian, but you CAN NOT be a LIBERAL and Christian at the same time. The moral issues do not match.

With such, you will find that stats show you more Christians are registered republican or conservative than they are Democrat. As I said before I do know a couple of Democrat/Social Conservatives, but I have never met a Republican/Social Liberal. It comes down to 2 + 2 = 3. When you are social liberal you will vote for democrats on every election because they are more prone to be a liberal as well. But, when you are a social conservative, you are prone to vote on either party; basing it on whether the individual is a Social Conservative or not.

Back to the topic: I heard it said a coupe of times that, even from conservative pundits, that except for the moral issues; Jesus was a Democrat. My belief is that he was an independent/social conservative. As far fetched as that may seem. He was both a Republican and a Democrat. Reading the bible tells you that.

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Didn't Peart have a stroke or some other health issue?  Lifeson is a white trash stoner... nobody cares about Geddy Lee. 
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Didn't Peart have a stroke or some other health issue?  Lifeson is a white trash stoner... nobody cares about Geddy Lee. 

Neil Peart has MS.

He is also a libertarian.

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Yeah, I don't really care.  Some people like to use "I'm a Libertarian" as an excuse for being an asshole.
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Yeah, I don't really care.  Some people like to use "I'm a Libertarian" as an excuse for being an asshole.

 :lmao: That is true.

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What people like Neil can't understand is, if the government takes money by force and takes care of the poor then the individual will be denied the experience of helping others. Because when we give by force it doesn't count for anything. When we give because we care and want to help someone then it counts. Not once did Jesus ever say anything about taking from others to give to anyone, he did say plenty of reaching in our own pockets and helping our fellow man, and I would imagine if those without much money gave time and used that time to help others it would count just as much.

I may not lock my doors while sitting at a red light and a black man is near, but I sure as hell grab on tight to my wallet when any democrats are close by.

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Anyone that says a person can't be a Christian and a Republican obviously knows nothing of what Christ actually did, said, and taught.   :thatsright:
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Yet another shining example of why musicians should stick to what they know...
The libs/dems of today are the Quislings of former years. The cowards who would vote a fraud into office in exchange for handouts from the devil.

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Neil Peart: It is impossible to follow the teachings of Jesus Christ and be a Republican.

http://www2.macleans.ca/2012/08/13/on-introverts-learning-to-improvise-and-why-people-should-be-nicer-to-one-another/


Or perhaps it's just impossible to be an idiot and support a Republican.
Go and tell the Spartans, O traveler passing by
That here, obedient to their law, we lie.

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Or perhaps it's just impossible to be an idiot and support a Republican.
Ron Paul
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Ron Paul

Ron Paul is a real Republican like Fred Phelps or Lyndon LaRouche are real Democrats.
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Yet another shining example of why musicians should stick to what they know...

I like Rush, but if you hear one song by them you have heard them all.
I may not lock my doors while sitting at a red light and a black man is near, but I sure as hell grab on tight to my wallet when any democrats are close by.

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It boils down to what this verse means, literally and figureatively...

"“How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God! Indeed, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.” "

Not one lib I know has any idea, and unfortunately a lot of conservatives either don't know, or can't articulate what it means. If anyone wants me to, I would be happy to elaborate.
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It boils down to what this verse means, literally and figureatively...

"“How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God! Indeed, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.” "

Not one lib I know has any idea, and unfortunately a lot of conservatives either don't know, or can't articulate what it means. If anyone wants me to, I would be happy to elaborate.

It means tax the rich.
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He is also a libertarian.


That likes living in Santa Monica.


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It boils down to what this verse means, literally and figureatively...

"“How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God! Indeed, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.” "

Not one lib I know has any idea, and unfortunately a lot of conservatives either don't know, or can't articulate what it means. If anyone wants me to, I would be happy to elaborate.

I would love to see you elaborate your thoughts of it, please?

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I would love to see you elaborate your thoughts of it, please?

“How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God! Indeed, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.” "

1). It's hard for the rich to enter the kingdom of God. Notice Jesus doesn't say impossible.

2). The key to understanding the whole verse is the meaning of "the eye of the needle"
At the time of Jesus, cities were built behind walls and gates. The main gate was open during the day to accommodate trade and barter entering an leaving the city. After sunset, the main gate was closed and barred, and any other access to the city was only possible through much smaller gates referred to as "the eye of the needle" Typically these were the dimension of an unladen camel in height, and breadth. If you wanted your laden camel to make it through, you had to unpack it, and repack it on the other side. The "eye of the needle" is not as commonly though, a sewing needle of any size. So what Jesus was saying is in actuality a repeat of what has been said many times before, by him, and also in the Old Testament starting with the 10 commandments, "Thou shalt have no false gods". That is you shall not make money or material goods your idol. Only God can be worthy of being your idol.

3). Libs either know this and are dishonest about it, or are ignorant, but ignorance of the law shall not be a valid excuse.
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“How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God! Indeed, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.” "

1). It's hard for the rich to enter the kingdom of God. Notice Jesus doesn't say impossible.

2). The key to understanding the whole verse is the meaning of "the eye of the needle"
At the time of Jesus, cities were built behind walls and gates. The main gate was open during the day to accommodate trade and barter entering an leaving the city. After sunset, the main gate was closed and barred, and any other access to the city was only possible through much smaller gates referred to as "the eye of the needle" Typically these were the dimension of an unladen camel in height, and breadth. If you wanted your laden camel to make it through, you had to unpack it, and repack it on the other side. The "eye of the needle" is not as commonly though, a sewing needle of any size. So what Jesus was saying is in actuality a repeat of what has been said many times before, by him, and also in the Old Testament starting with the 10 commandments, "Thou shalt have no false gods". That is you shall not make money or material goods your idol. Only God can be worthy of being your idol.

3). Libs either know this and are dishonest about it, or are ignorant, but ignorance of the law shall not be a valid excuse.

That is interesting. I never knew about the smaller gates.

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That is interesting. I never knew about the smaller gates.


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I heard an interesting sermon on the topic of money this morning on the radio.  It boiled down to having riches can cause you to idolize money (or you become rich because you idolize money.)  If your feeling of safety lies in a large bank account, then you obviously aren't basing your safety and future on God.  If you base your safety and future on God, it's still possible to be wealthy, but you will treat your money in a different way...giving more and worrying over it far, far less.

It still comes down to your heart.  Rich or poor, healthy or ill, if you base all your trust in God, then your circumstances don't really matter.
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That is interesting. I never knew about the smaller gates.
Neither do most libs, they have a superficial understanding of scripture and Christianity, but like good libs with a little knowledge, are dangerous. They are dangerous with a little knowledge by subterfuge usually, by ignorance generally.

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That is interesting. I never knew about the smaller gates.

Same here.