John McCain rejects endorsement of radical cleric John Hagee

[The Night Owl]

Nice try, too bad:

1. Hagee is and has never been Juan's minister, he's just another Baptist preacher.

I agree.

2. Hagee's rhetoric STILL pales in comparison to Barack Hussein Obama's mentor of 20 + years.

I strongly disagree. John Hagee's rants are easily just as bad as Jeremiah Wright's rants. If you like, we can compare the worst of what Jeremiah Wright has said to the worst of what John Hagee has said. I'm sure that comparing Hagee's words to Wright's words will demonstrate that both men are equally stupid and/or nuts.

3. Juan responded like an electable POTUS candidate would, Barack Hussein Obama didn't.

I agree.

[Lord Undies]

I strongly disagree. John Hagee's rants are easily just as bad as Jeremiah Wright's rants.

What, in your opinion, is "just as bad" in the anti-America department?  What has Hagee said that I as an American should consider radical towards this nation?  I am curious.  I haven't heard his rants against this nation.  I have heard Wright's. 

[Tess Anderson]

I strongly disagree. John Hagee's rants are easily just as bad as Jeremiah Wright's rants. If you like, we can compare the worst of what Jeremiah Wright has said to the worst of what John Hagee has said.

Well, Hagee doesn't preach poverty but live in luxury - Wright had THAT + to the hypocrisy race. I doubt Juan has even heard a Hagee sermon before, he has a great r/l minister at the church he attends in AZ.

Hagee thinks the RCC is the beast referred to in the Book of Revelations - that IS weird, but that's almost a mainstream viewpoint for fundamentalist Protestants. And he thinks God sent Hitler to help the Jews - now THAT's twisted and psychotic, and it's "new".

Wright thinks the government deliberately infected black with AIDS, that Jesus Christ was a black separatist, and thinks the United States of Amerikkka is a racist curse on the world. Twisted and psychotic. But these are really staple stump sermons for Wright, not so for Hagee.

[BEG]

I strongly disagree. John Hagee's rants are easily just as bad as Jeremiah Wright's rants.

What, in your opinion, is "just as bad" in the anti-America department?  What has Hagee said that I as an American should consider radical towards this nation?  I am curious.  I haven't heard his rants against this nation.  I have heard Wright's. 

I also haven't seen Hagee hump the podium while screaming how Bill Clinton "was riding dirty" either.

[The Night Owl]

Hagee thinks the RCC is the beast referred to in the Book of Revelations - that IS weird, but that's almost a mainstream viewpoint for fundamentalist Protestants. And he thinks God sent Hitler to help the Jews - now THAT's twisted and psychotic, and it's "new".

John Hagee argues that Hurricane Katrina was a righteous act of God...

"All hurricanes are acts of God, because God controls the heavens. I believe that New Orleans had a level of sin that was offensive to God, and they were recipients of the judgment of God for that." - John Hagee

John Hagee argues that Jews are responsible for antisemitism and persecution the have faced and that they continue to face...

"It was the disobedience and rebellion of the Jews, God's chosen people, to their covenantal responsibility to serve only the one true God, Jehovah, that gave rise to the opposition and persecution that they experienced beginning in Canaan and continuing to this very day... Their own rebellion had birthed the seed of antisemitism that would arise and bring destruction to them for centuries to come.... it rises from the judgment of God upon his rebellious chosen people." - John Hagee

But these are really staple stump sermons for Wright, not so for Hagee.

Are you kidding? John Hagee's sermons are routinely hateful and stupid.

John Hagee argues that terrorists are agents of God who will be unleashed on the US...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWMmVIAtHAU

John Hagee and associates praying for armageddon...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjMRgT5o-Ig

John Hagee talking crazy talk about end times while being interviewed by professional charlatan Benny Hinn...

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1810563684001309912&q=Hagee+&ei=oTsrSIDTNIqcrwK02I2YCg&hl=en

Yeah... Pastor Hagee is not even nearly as crazy as Pastor Wright.

[Tess Anderson]

No, he's not TheNightOwl, Rev. Wright's HAMAS ties, the TUCC's Trumpet magazine isssues with Calypso Louie on the cover....all that makes him much more uhhhhhhh....crazier......than Hagee. This:

Hagee had quoted the book of Jeremiah saying, "Behold I will bring them the Jewish people again unto their land that I gave unto their fathers. Behold I will send for many fishers and after will I send for many hunters. And they the hunters shall hunt them from every mountain and from every hill and from out of the holes of the rocks."

isn't nearly as bad nor dangerous, and what you're talking about is divine intervention, the OT is full of instances of the wrath of God coming down upon sinners, Wright says the same, they all do.

I don't know about Wright, but Hagee is a pre-trib post-mil who belives in the Rapture - he'd support Israel just to fufill Biblical prophecies.

[The Night Owl]

No, he's not TheNightOwl, Rev. Wright's HAMAS ties, the TUCC's Trumpet magazine isssues with Calypso Louie on the cover....all that makes him much more uhhhhhhh....crazier......than Hagee.

Louis Farrakhan has called Judiasm a gutter religion and John Hagee has called Catholicism the Great Whore. And yet you see a difference between Farrakhan and Hagee? I don't. Both Farrakhan and Hagee have suggested that Jews deserved the Holocaust. And yet you see a difference between Farrakhan and Hagee? I don't.

I don't know about Wright, but Hagee is a pre-trib post-mil who belives in the Rapture - he'd support Israel just to fufill Biblical prophecies.

Correct. Pastor Hagee supports Israel only because he believes that supporting Israel will hasten the coming of End Times. If Hagee were to believe that murdering every Jew on the planet were the way to hasten the coming of End Times, he would be for that.

[Lord Undies]

I'm still waiting to hear Hagee's anti-American political views which match or exceeds those of Jerry Wright's......tick tock....tick tock.....tick tock......

[The Night Owl]

I'm not so certain, that his support for Israel is to hasten the coming of the End Times.  As much as it's his theological views, that Christians must support Israel, as it's attacked by the 'world' ruled by the devil.

John Hagee has written that the US must attack Iran to fulfill God's plan for Israel and the West. Hagee would personally kill every Jew in Israel if he thought that doing so would bring back his precious Jesus.

[The Night Owl]

I'm still waiting to hear Hagee's anti-American political views which match or exceeds those of Jerry Wright's......tick tock....tick tock.....tick tock......

You don't consider John Hagee's statement that God will "unleash" terrorists to punish the US to be anti-American? Wow!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWMmVIAtHAU&feature=user

[franksolich]

Oh my.

I thought this party ended, and the lights turned out, a long time ago.

[Rebel]

Oh my.

I thought this party ended, and the lights turned out, a long time ago.

TNO apparently has issues with Christians. I don't know, maybe molested by a priest or something?

[The Night Owl]

TNO apparently has issues with Christians. I don't know, maybe molested by a priest or something?

The only Christians I have criticized in this thread are John Hagee, Jeremiah Wright, and Benny Hinn.

[Lord Undies]

I'm still waiting to hear Hagee's anti-American political views which match or exceeds those of Jerry Wright's......tick tock....tick tock.....tick tock......

You don't consider John Hagee's statement that God will "unleash" terrorists to punish the US to be anti-American? Wow!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWMmVIAtHAU&feature=user

Not at all, but I am not surprised you don't see the difference?  You are willfully ignorant and for some reason it is incredibly important to you that Hagee be thought of as being equally or more as despicable as that raving anti-American Wright.  I don't know what's in it for you personally, but I have to tell you, it isn't working out for you.

 Did you even bother to watch the video?  

[franksolich]

TNO apparently has issues with Christians. I don't know, maybe molested by a priest or something?

Nah.

He's just one of these people who didn't like the idea of going to church for an hour each week, nothing more than that.

That's all it is, that's the excuse for his atheism, as it is for millions of others too lazy to get up Sunday morning.

[The Night Owl]

Not at all, but I am not surprised you don't see the difference?  You are willfully ignorant and for some reason it is incredibly important to you that Hagee be thought of as being equally or more as despicable as that raving anti-American Wright.  I don't know what's in it for you personally, but I have to tell you, it isn't working out for you.

Did you even bother to watch the video?  

Let me lay this out for you...

The United States government, under President George W. Bush, is supportive of the two state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian situation. Pastor Hagee believes that if the US government continues its policy of support for the two state-solution then God will "unleash" terrorists on the US. In other words, Hagee believes that the people of the United States deserve to be attacked for a policy which their government is currently pushing. If Hagee's belief that the people of the United States deserve terrorist attacks for their government's position on the Israeli-Palestinian situation is not an anti-American position then I don't know what is.

[The Night Owl]

He's just one of these people who didn't like the idea of going to church for an hour each week, nothing more than that.

That's all it is, that's the excuse for his atheism, as it is for millions of others too lazy to get up Sunday morning.

Nonsense. My atheism is rooted in the fact that I'm not willing to believe in that which is not supported by evidence. That said, you are correct to point out that I do not like the idea of going to church every week. Why would an infidel like me want to go to church?

[Lord Undies]

Not at all, but I am not surprised you don't see the difference?  You are willfully ignorant and for some reason it is incredibly important to you that Hagee be thought of as being equally or more as despicable as that raving anti-American Wright.  I don't know what's in it for you personally, but I have to tell you, it isn't working out for you.

Did you even bother to watch the video?  

Let me lay this out for you...

The United States government, under President George W. Bush, is supportive of the two state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian situation. Pastor Hagee believes that if the US government continues its policy of support for the two state-solution then God will "unleash" terrorists on the US. In other words, Hagee believes that the people of the United States deserve to be attacked for a policy which their government is currently pushing. If Hagee's belief that the people of the United States deserve terrorist attacks for their government's position on the Israeli-Palestinian situation is not an anti-American position then I don't know what is.

Let me lay it out for YOU-

No, Hagee is not saying he thinks anyone "deserves" to be attack...and you know this.  Hagee states out loud what he assumes the Bible is telling him.  He is warning, not hoping or calling for it.  As you well know.  Stop being so willfully stupid and obtuse or go find another message board to haunt.  You are getting old fast. 

DIRECT QUESTIONS:  Why is it so incredibly important to you that Hagee be thought of as being equally or more as despicable as that raving anti-American Wright?  Does it help you support your worldview?  What is in it for you personally?

[Chris_]

He's just one of these people who didn't like the idea of going to church for an hour each week, nothing more than that.

That's all it is, that's the excuse for his atheism, as it is for millions of others too lazy to get up Sunday morning.

Nonsense. My atheism is rooted in the fact that I'm not willing to believe in that which is not supported by evidence. That said, you are correct to point out that I do not like the idea of going to church every week. Why would an infidel like me want to go to church?

The oldest and weakest excuse for atheism.   

[Rebel]

He's just one of these people who didn't like the idea of going to church for an hour each week, nothing more than that.

That's all it is, that's the excuse for his atheism, as it is for millions of others too lazy to get up Sunday morning.

Nonsense. My atheism is rooted in the fact that I'm not willing to believe in that which is not supported by evidence. That said, you are correct to point out that I do not like the idea of going to church every week. Why would an infidel like me want to go to church?

You have some sort of evidence that God doesn't exist?

[TheSarge]

John Hagee has written that the US must attack Iran to fulfill God's plan for Israel and the West. Hagee would personally kill every Jew in Israel if he thought that doing so would bring back his precious Jesus.

And so would Jeremiah Wright so I guess they are more alike than you want to admit.

The only difference is that McCain has dropped Hagee like a bad habit.

Barakstar! hasn't done that with Wright or his successor the Hip Hop Reverend.

What does all of this matter to you anyway?  You despise religion and have a palpable dislike for believers so what do you care about all of this anyway?

[Chris_]

John Hagee has written that the US must attack Iran to fulfill God's plan for Israel and the West. Hagee would personally kill every Jew in Israel if he thought that doing so would bring back his precious Jesus.

And so would Jeremiah Wright so I guess they are more alike than you want to admit.

The only difference is that McCain has dropped Hagee like a bad habit.

Barakstar! hasn't done that with Wright or his successor the Hip Hop Reverend.

What does all of this matter to you anyway?  You despise religion and have a palpable dislike for believers so what do you care about all of this anyway?

Maybe he just comes here to get PW0N3D and then hit back like this... 

[The Night Owl]

And so would Jeremiah Wright so I guess they are more alike than you want to admit.

See post #25.

[The Night Owl]

You have some sort of evidence that God doesn't exist?

No. I can't prove that God doesn't exist. I also can't prove that faeries don't exist but I'm not going to start believing in faeries simply because I can't disprove their existence.

[TheSarge]

No. I can't prove that God doesn't exist.

Then why do you try so ardently to get us to believe as fact that He does NOT exist?

You can't prove He exists.

How can you then so factually state he does not?