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happy days are here again
« on: August 11, 2012, 06:25:10 PM »
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If your Republican friend is having their happiest day of the campaign year today...

Point out the real skinny on Vice Presidential candidates:

Historically when a VP pick is seen as the candidate's hero or savoir for the "ticket" that campaign is destined to lose.

Party does not matter.

If you don't believe me you can ask John McCain and John Kerry about it.

You can also ask Bob Dole about Jack Kemp.

Or Walter Mondale about Geraldine Ferraro.

These "game changers" never win.

Regional or "party-unifying" VP candidates who were opponents of the candidate from the primary win.

GHW Bush for Reagan.

Gore for Clinton.

LBJ for JFK.

Mondale for Carter.

Biden for Obama.

In the last 8 years the happiest days of both political parties campaigns were the days their candidates picked Sarah Palin and John Edwards to run with them.

Yeah.

So tell them to pop that champagne.

Eat, drink and be happy.

This is their "day".

Of course the primitive omits to remember something.

Paul Ryan is not a "game changer" or "savior" for Mitt Romney.

It was apparent Mitt Romney was already a winner before he selected a running mate.

It wouldn't've made any difference who Mitt Romney chose.

Paul Ryan is just so much more gravy.

Too bad for the primitives.

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1. Nah, I'll let them enjoy their happy day.

It's not like another one will be coming along any time soon.

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2. So, your happiest day was when Kerry made a mistake?

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3. yeah I was pretty happy that day. I liked Edwards at the time and still believe his message about two Americas is correct.
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Re: happy days are here again
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2012, 06:30:57 PM »
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If your Republican friend is having their happiest day of the campaign year today...

Point out the real skinny on Vice Presidential candidates:

Historically when a VP pick is seen as the candidate's hero or savoir for the "ticket" that campaign is destined to lose.

Party does not matter.

If you don't believe me you can ask John McCain and John Kerry about it.

You can also ask Bob Dole about Jack Kemp.

Or Walter Mondale about Geraldine Ferraro.

These "game changers" never win.

Regional or "party-unifying" VP candidates who were opponents of the candidate from the primary win.

GHW Bush for Reagan.

Gore for Clinton.

LBJ for JFK.

Mondale for Carter.

Biden for Obama.

In the last 8 years the happiest days of both political parties campaigns were the days their candidates picked Sarah Palin and John Edwards to run with them.

Yeah.

So tell them to pop that champagne.

Eat, drink and be happy.
 


Talk about reaching for the invisible.  I guess they have to justify teh depression somehow.

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This is their "day".

Something tells me, there are going to be quite a few more.
              

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Re: happy days are here again
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2012, 08:23:40 PM »
They were sad when O picked the plagiarist?

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Re: happy days are here again
« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2012, 08:39:30 PM »
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Response to FSogol (Reply #2)Sat Aug 11, 2012, 07:12 PM
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3. yeah I was pretty happy that day. I liked Edwards at the time and still believe

his message about two Americas is correct.

It seems there two Americas, TeamPooka:
1.  The Aaron Sorkin scripted America where you Dummies live.
2.  Reality.
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Re: happy days are here again
« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2012, 09:31:27 PM »
This is just me... but I think it was a mistake picking Ryan as VP. I can see the political ads now. Grandma getting pushed over the cliff in her wheelchair will be the tamest of the ads obozo will put out. My thinking is there are now way too many people worried about surviving and then  obozo ads coming out about SS and medicare "being gutted"... which is what obozo will say, will not resonate with most of the idiots in this country. Never mind those programs will go bankrupt sooner or later... the dumbmasses will see those ads, get scared and vote accordingly.

Me? I would have preferred a governor that turned his state around. A gov that could go around and say "There is a better way and we did it in the State of xxxxxx!".

I really hope it don't play out that way... but I think it will. The challenge for the Romney campaign will be to equate dem policies of ignoring the problem and kicking the can down the road... until the eventual failure of these programs in however many years.  Can they do it? Dunno. Hope so.

Sorry folks... I just don't think this will work.
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Re: happy days are here again
« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2012, 09:35:51 PM »
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3. yeah I was pretty happy that day. I liked Edwards at the time and still believe

his message about two Americas is correct.

He was right,

One America cheats on his wife that has terminal cancer while using her terminal cancer for political gain. The Other America takes care of the mother of his children and doesn't have a love child while his wife is painfully dieing.

When you are the beneficiary of someone’s kindness and generosity, it produces a sense of gratitude and community.

When you are the beneficiary of a policy that steals from someone and gives it to you in return for your vote, it produces a sense of entitlement and dependency.

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Re: happy days are here again
« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2012, 09:36:30 PM »
This is just me... but I think it was a mistake picking Ryan as VP. I can see the political ads now. Grandma getting pushed over the cliff in her wheelchair will be the tamest of the ads obozo will put out. My thinking is there are now way too many people worried about surviving and then  obozo ads coming out about SS and medicare "being gutted"... which is what obozo will say, will not resonate with most of the idiots in this country. Never mind those programs will go bankrupt sooner or later... the dumbmasses will see those ads, get scared and vote accordingly.

Me? I would have preferred a governor that turned his state around. A gov that could go around and say "There is a better way and we did it in the State of xxxxxx!".

I really hope it don't play out that way... but I think it will. The challenge for the Romney campaign will be to equate dem policies of ignoring the problem and kicking the can down the road... until the eventual failure of these programs in however many years.  Can they do it? Dunno. Hope so.

Sorry folks... I just don't think this will work.

But ads like that have come out from the dems for years. Regardless of the candidates. I knew a deacon in the church who voted for Clinton AFTER the proof of lies and affairs because "that other guy wants to take away my social security".
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Re: happy days are here again
« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2012, 09:39:45 PM »
Obamacare gutted $500 billion from Medicare so the CBO could claim the program would pay for itself.  Barry O'Bama is not innocent when it comes to healthcare for retirees.
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Re: happy days are here again
« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2012, 10:00:11 PM »
But ads like that have come out from the dems for years. Regardless of the candidates. I knew a deacon in the church who voted for Clinton AFTER the proof of lies and affairs because "that other guy wants to take away my social security".


Obamacare gutted $500 billion from Medicare so the CBO could claim the program would pay for itself.  Barry O'Bama is not innocent when it comes to healthcare for retirees.

I agree with both ya all. The problem will be convincing the dumbmasses of it. I am afraid we have reached a tipping point as far as the electorate paying taxes. I still say the best thing any rep presidential candidate can do is push the fair tax and push it hard harping on that it will take away the power of congress to give tax breaks to their respective following. Will it win? Dunno, but I would like to see someone try. And then when the media says it will hit the poor, poor, pitiful poor and the middle class too hard, all they have do is say "Want to bring home your ENTIRE paycheck, then do this!" I think the dumbasses of the middle class will get on board really quick. The poor not so much. What it will do is put skin in the game for everyone including the poor. When they go to the store with their foodstamp card and start seeing how much they are paying in taxes, they just might wonder why they are paying so much.

Ain't holding my breath though.

Personally I believe that every citizen should pay the same percentage of taxes period. Don't matter where the income comes from. Welfare, HUD, cap gains, interest income, dividends... don't matter. You got this amount of money from whatever source, then you pay x taxes. That is the only thing that will reign in DC in my opinion.

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Re: happy days are here again
« Reply #9 on: August 11, 2012, 10:32:44 PM »
I agree with both ya all. The problem will be convincing the dumbmasses of it. I am afraid we have reached a tipping point as far as the electorate paying taxes. I still say the best thing any rep presidential candidate can do is push the fair tax and push it hard harping on that it will take away the power of congress to give tax breaks to their respective following. Will it win? Dunno, but I would like to see someone try. And then when the media says it will hit the poor, poor, pitiful poor and the middle class too hard, all they have do is say "Want to bring home your ENTIRE paycheck, then do this!" I think the dumbasses of the middle class will get on board really quick. The poor not so much. What it will do is put skin in the game for everyone including the poor. When they go to the store with their foodstamp card and start seeing how much they are paying in taxes, they just might wonder why they are paying so much.

Ain't holding my breath though.

Personally I believe that every citizen should pay the same percentage of taxes period. Don't matter where the income comes from. Welfare, HUD, cap gains, interest income, dividends... don't matter. You got this amount of money from whatever source, then you pay x taxes. That is the only thing that will reign in DC in my opinion.

Just my two cents.

I don't think so. Ryan is very good at explaining his plan and economics in a way everyone understands. He's made the boy king look like a fool more than once. Romney's rapid response team is excellent. Yes, they've missed a few opportunities but they're doing very well for a relatively new team. Lately, his campaign has made some very effective ads countering 0bama's lying ads. And he's done it while going on offense...not an easy task.

The mood of the country is going to be very, very important in this election and America is pissed. Campaign season hasn't really started. It's really too early to be negative. Romney's sitting on a huge amount of campaign funds that he can't even  use yet. Bet his Ryan pick will bring in a few more millions.

None of 0bama's bullshit has hurt Romney. It's slowed down his momentum, but nothing else. Normal people don't care about his tax returns, his money, his time at Bain (except that it proves he can run a successful business) or his religion. This last kerfuffle with Romney being accused of causing some guy's wife to die of cancer hurt 0bama. Even the LSM couldn't ignore it. And I bet it succeeds in making the public more suspicious of his ads.

What America wants is a solid plan. They don't have to like every part of it but they've definitely had enough of promises & platitudes. This time, I don't think vicious, negative attack ads will work. The stakes are too high for every person in the country. This is the only kind of campaign 0bama and his team know how to run. But his record will trump his scorched earth campaigning. Slanted polls won't work either. This Carter/Reagan pt. 2...on steroids! I'm not saying Romney is Reagan but the experience he brings to solve our problems is exactly what we need. Ryan's deep understanding of the financial crisis facing the US is an asset.

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Re: happy days are here again
« Reply #10 on: August 11, 2012, 10:38:33 PM »
This is just me... but I think it was a mistake picking Ryan as VP. I can see the political ads now. Grandma getting pushed over the cliff in her wheelchair will be the tamest of the ads obozo will put out. My thinking is there are now way too many people worried about surviving and then  obozo ads coming out about SS and medicare "being gutted"... which is what obozo will say, will not resonate with most of the idiots in this country. Never mind those programs will go bankrupt sooner or later... the dumbmasses will see those ads, get scared and vote accordingly.

Me? I would have preferred a governor that turned his state around. A gov that could go around and say "There is a better way and we did it in the State of xxxxxx!".

I really hope it don't play out that way... but I think it will. The challenge for the Romney campaign will be to equate dem policies of ignoring the problem and kicking the can down the road... until the eventual failure of these programs in however many years.  Can they do it? Dunno. Hope so.

Sorry folks... I just don't think this will work.

You are right that they will do all that, however they are going to do that to anyone on the ticket. We already know they are more than willing to start rumors and lie their asses off. I think that choosing Ryan will be the boost needed to excite the conservative base. The independents aren't going to give a rats ass who is on the ticket as VP they will only care that 0bama has screwed up. So, I see this as a positive.


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Re: happy days are here again
« Reply #11 on: August 11, 2012, 11:16:34 PM »
You are right that they will do all that, however they are going to do that to anyone on the ticket. We already know they are more than willing to start rumors and lie their asses off. I think that choosing Ryan will be the boost needed to excite the conservative base. The independents aren't going to give a rats ass who is on the ticket as VP they will only care that 0bama has screwed up. So, I see this as a positive.




I really hope you are correct, Freep.  :cheersmate:
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« Reply #12 on: August 11, 2012, 11:18:48 PM »
I really hope you are correct, Freep.  :cheersmate:

I do too.  :cheersmate:

I may not lock my doors while sitting at a red light and a black man is near, but I sure as hell grab on tight to my wallet when any democrats are close by.

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« Reply #13 on: August 12, 2012, 04:31:54 AM »
I think you are, Freep, but I don't think it will be apparent (that you're right) until about Halloween.
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Re: happy days are here again
« Reply #14 on: August 12, 2012, 11:00:48 AM »
Rasmussen: Ryan favorability 39/25, 52/29 among … seniors

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« Reply #15 on: August 12, 2012, 11:41:25 AM »
I think Ryan is great choice, and the fact he's got the slimy commies over at the DUmp with their panties in a wet wad, is just icing on the cake.
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Re: happy days are here again
« Reply #16 on: August 12, 2012, 12:06:41 PM »
I think Ryan is great choice, and the fact he's got the slimy commies over at the DUmp with their panties in a wet wad, is just icing on the cake.

Man, you and me both.

I wasn't worried about who Romney'd pick for his running mate--they're all winners no matter who the choices were--but I was rather more concerned that this one or that one might not rile up the primitives as much as that other one or this other one would.
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Re: happy days are here again
« Reply #17 on: August 12, 2012, 12:15:29 PM »
I keep hearing various DemonRat mouthpieces calling Ryan's ideas radical.  When it comes to Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security, radical ideas are what's needed if the programs are going to survive and be there for people that truly need.