An old example of code language at DU

[Boojatta]

348766, I'm sure they want peace not only for Israel but for Palestine, as well --
Posted by defendandprotect on Sat Apr-09-11 07:36 PM
in fact they are for a Palestinian state --

Palestinians lived on this land for thousands of years --

and Israel continues to build illegal settlements --


A promiment Israel diplomat rssigned about a month ago saying he could

not longer represent Israel given their policies in Palestine --

that Israel was becoming a "pariah" given those policies -- becoming

isolated in the world -- and had already de-legitimized themselves.


I agree --

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348795, "Palestinians lived on this land for thousands of years"
Posted by Boojatta on Sat Apr-09-11 09:35 PM
How do you know that? Normans haven't lived in England for thousands of years.

It's also not clear why it matters how long Palestinians have lived in Palestine. People of Japanese descent haven't been living in North America for thousands of years, but I don't think that is a legitimate excuse for the internment camps of WWII.

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348882, Palestinians haven't lived on the land for a thousand years?
Posted by defendandprotect on Sun Apr-10-11 10:46 AM
I'm sure that will be a surprise to them!

What is quite clear is that the majority of Israelis are Europeans -- not Arabs.

Palestine is an occupied nation -- and Israel continues to build illegal settlements.

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348887, "Europeans -- not Arabs."
Posted by Boojatta on Sun Apr-10-11 11:13 AM
"European" is obviously a geographic designation that in some cases is associated with citizenship. In the case of some but not all Israelis, it might indicate where some of their ancestors resided in the past for some length of time.

"Arabs" might have something to do with culture (such as language in particular) or ancestry.

From my point of view, there are Arabs who are Americans and there are Arabs who are Europeans. Of course, not everybody will agree with me. For example, John McCain might think otherwise. He deduced for one of his supporters the conclusion that candidate Obama wasn't an Arab by starting from the assumption that Obama was a good American. What is your concept of "European" that excludes "Arab"?

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348890, There seems to be a communication problem here.
Posted by Boojatta on Sun Apr-10-11 11:32 AM
I asked:

How do you know that? Normans haven't lived in England for thousands of years.

You replied:

Palestinians haven't lived on the land for a thousand years?

I'm sure that will be a surprise to them!

In asking how you know what you claim to know, I'm neither agreeing that your claim is true nor denying that your claim is true. My focus is entirely on the process that you used.

Indeed, I could easily make a claim that is very likely true and that I believe to be true, but that I don't actually know to be true. For example, I could put bounds on the highest and lowest temperatures outdoors today in some city, without myself checking any weather reports.

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348943, There is a communications problem -- and it is soley created by those here who
Posted by defendandprotect on Sun Apr-10-11 07:27 PM
do not want to discuss Israel and its policies towards Palestine --

nor its brutal occupation -- not it's illegal settlements.

So much for ... "Oh, but I/P isn't a forum to keep it a taboo subject" -- !!

 

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348945, It is this game-playing which keeps most people out of I/P which is the
Posted by defendandprotect on Sun Apr-10-11 07:32 PM
way those here "guarding" the conversation like it!!

Israel is a taboo subject here -- and that's the way they want to keep it!!

It very poorly serves DU and DU'ers however --

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348953, Have you considered the possibility that your words were misunderstood?
Posted by Boojatta on Sun Apr-10-11 07:46 PM
For example:

What is quite clear is that the majority of Israelis are Europeans -- not Arabs.

To many people, that will appear to be a reasonably clear statement. However, it seems that the idea you had in mind when you wrote that statement differs significantly from what some people thought you meant.

In my humble opinion, the reason that it differs significantly is that you have been using a kind of code language. I think that you are sincere in the sense that you have encoded an idea and you believe that the idea is true. However, I get the impression that you didn't and don't care whether or not, as plain text, your sentences are true.

Of course, I could be wrong about that, and I hope that you won't interpret the above as a personal attack.

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The above isn't consecutive in it's original location, but is in the following thread:
Egyptians strike in front of Israeli Embassy, demand severed ties with Israel
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=124x348662

[Bad Dog]

What's the frequency Boogerta?

[USA4ME]

The code language I see there is the same code language I've seen for years by those who supposedly are "opposed to the policies of Isreal."  It's the way they cloak their hatred of Jews.  Get into it with them long enough and you'll hear them talk about how the Jews run the media, Hollywood, banking, etc...  Granted their are a number of Jews in those industires in high positions, but the length to which these types will go to prove some type of world conspiracy shows who and what they're all about.

Frankly I don't know why Skin's puts up with them, or the 911 toofers for that matter, except for the money they give him.

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[dutch508]

The original Jews were from the city of Ur.
Take Iraq back from the Muslims.

[Mr Mannn]

What side to you fall on, Boo?

[Kyle Ricky]

The Jews have lived in Israel for quite some time. They were there before the Palestinians. Their main city has been Jerusalem for thousands of years. What do you think Israel was named after? It was Jacob, who's name was later changed to Israel, which means "God Contended" (Jacob was the one who had the twelve tribes - He was also the son of Isaac, the chosen one from God). It is land that was given to the Jews by divine right.

It was after WWII that they gave the land back to them, and started all this. There is no Israelis trying to force people out of their land. It is the Israelis defending themselves from people who want to take them out. I can't imagine being a country that is surrounded by countries that hate you, and want to kill you.

There also are no Palestinians. They are people who were moved when they gave the land back to the Jews. Palestinians are all Muslim, so why don't they go to Egypt, or one of the other Islamic countries? Oh yeah, they don't want them.

A lot of people who don't know about the bible also don't know that this whole Islam vs. Jews thing is a family feud that started thousands of years ago when Isaac (The father of the Jews) was named the chosen one. Ishmael (Isaac's brother, the father of Islam, and both the sons of Abraham) was jealous because he wasn't the chosen one. It later came to fruition when Mohammad claimed he was visited by Gabriel and told that the Jews are lying and treacherous people; and all infidels, Jews or Christians, should be killed.

[sybilll]

What side to you fall on, Boo?

Just as relevant, why bring over a thread from April 2011????