348766, I'm sure they want peace not only for Israel but for Palestine, as well --
Posted by defendandprotect on Sat Apr-09-11 07:36 PM
in fact they are for a Palestinian state --
Palestinians lived on this land for thousands of years --
and Israel continues to build illegal settlements --
A promiment Israel diplomat rssigned about a month ago saying he could
not longer represent Israel given their policies in Palestine --
that Israel was becoming a "pariah" given those policies -- becoming
isolated in the world -- and had already de-legitimized themselves.
I agree --
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348795, "Palestinians lived on this land for thousands of years"
Posted by Boojatta on Sat Apr-09-11 09:35 PM
How do you know that? Normans haven't lived in England for thousands of years.
It's also not clear why it matters how long Palestinians have lived in Palestine. People of Japanese descent haven't been living in North America for thousands of years, but I don't think that is a legitimate excuse for the internment camps of WWII.
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348882, Palestinians haven't lived on the land for a thousand years?
Posted by defendandprotect on Sun Apr-10-11 10:46 AM
I'm sure that will be a surprise to them!
What is quite clear is that the majority of Israelis are Europeans -- not Arabs.
Palestine is an occupied nation -- and Israel continues to build illegal settlements.
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348887, "Europeans -- not Arabs."
Posted by Boojatta on Sun Apr-10-11 11:13 AM
"European" is obviously a geographic designation that in some cases is associated with citizenship. In the case of some but not all Israelis, it might indicate where some of their ancestors resided in the past for some length of time.
"Arabs" might have something to do with culture (such as language in particular) or ancestry.
From my point of view, there are Arabs who are Americans and there are Arabs who are Europeans. Of course, not everybody will agree with me. For example, John McCain might think otherwise. He deduced for one of his supporters the conclusion that candidate Obama wasn't an Arab by starting from the assumption that Obama was a good American. What is your concept of "European" that excludes "Arab"?
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348890, There seems to be a communication problem here.
Posted by Boojatta on Sun Apr-10-11 11:32 AM
I asked:
How do you know that? Normans haven't lived in England for thousands of years.
You replied:
Palestinians haven't lived on the land for a thousand years?
I'm sure that will be a surprise to them!
In asking how you know what you claim to know, I'm neither agreeing that your claim is true nor denying that your claim is true. My focus is entirely on the process that you used.
Indeed, I could easily make a claim that is very likely true and that I believe to be true, but that I don't actually know to be true. For example, I could put bounds on the highest and lowest temperatures outdoors today in some city, without myself checking any weather reports.
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348943, There is a communications problem -- and it is soley created by those here who
Posted by defendandprotect on Sun Apr-10-11 07:27 PM
do not want to discuss Israel and its policies towards Palestine --
nor its brutal occupation -- not it's illegal settlements.
So much for ... "Oh, but I/P isn't a forum to keep it a taboo subject" -- !!

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348945, It is this game-playing which keeps most people out of I/P which is the
Posted by defendandprotect on Sun Apr-10-11 07:32 PM
way those here "guarding" the conversation like it!!
Israel is a taboo subject here -- and that's the way they want to keep it!!
It very poorly serves DU and DU'ers however --
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348953, Have you considered the possibility that your words were misunderstood?
Posted by Boojatta on Sun Apr-10-11 07:46 PM
For example:
What is quite clear is that the majority of Israelis are Europeans -- not Arabs.
To many people, that will appear to be a reasonably clear statement. However, it seems that the idea you had in mind when you wrote that statement differs significantly from what some people thought you meant.
In my humble opinion, the reason that it differs significantly is that you have been using a kind of code language. I think that you are sincere in the sense that you have encoded an idea and you believe that the idea is true. However, I get the impression that you didn't and don't care whether or not, as plain text, your sentences are true.
Of course, I could be wrong about that, and I hope that you won't interpret the above as a personal attack.
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The above isn't consecutive in it's original location, but is in the following thread:
Egyptians strike in front of Israeli Embassy, demand severed ties with Israel
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=124x348662