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Offline dixierose

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Nadin knows wind-power
« on: February 15, 2012, 07:28:37 PM »
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002315102

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Puffed-up claims from the wind-power lobby. And some opponents. Posted on February 9, 2012

The wind-power lobby is spinning the facts in a $1.4-million TV ad campaign aimed at extending a lucrative tax break worth billions to the industry.

Its ads claim that Congress is “threatening new taxes” targeting wind power, which isn’t true. No “new taxes” are envisioned. Instead, Congress is considering whether or not to renew an existing $1.3-billion-a-year tax break that expires at the end of 2012.

The industry is also claiming that wind energy is “on track” to support half a million new jobs within 20 years. Maybe so. But those jobs “would displace jobs and economic activity elsewhere,” according to the very study cited by the wind lobby.

The debate over the tax break couldn’t be coming at a worse time for the wind-power industry. Falling natural gas prices are already bringing stiff competition from gas-fired electric plants, making some wind-power projects economically uncompetitive even with the advantage of a tax subsidy.


http://www.factcheck.org/2012/02/wind-spin/

I am all for green, but this as to be taken as good vs bad. Locally it's not good for eagles and other raptors.

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1. Wind farms don't pollute aquifers

Personally, I'll trade a few birds for the eco annihilation that the gas industry is doing.
And yes, I see it first hand every day. Fracking is not good for anyone.

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3. Problem with wind farms

Is that there are other things that could give us the power as well

We get into the issue of distributive, vs centralized power generatin.

Solar should be the to go, and every house should have solar.

Wind, again industrial farms vs distributive models (that will avoid enough raptors...we are not talking a few birds here)

And fracking should not even be considered.

Of course I am dreaming, but if I had my own home, not an apartment...I would already have solar.

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2. First off, the bird blender meme is becoming more antiquidated every day

With lower blade speeds and better turbine placement, bird strikes are being increasingly minimized.

Meanwhile, not all wind power is coming from turbines anymore either.

Stop getting your anti-wind memes from out of the eighties and nineties.

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4. Take it with fact check

And here it is a real problem.


Her "cyber-bullies" haven't shown up to this campfire yet. I'm anxiously awaiting their responses :)
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Re: Nadin knows wind-power
« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2012, 07:33:50 PM »
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The industry is also claiming that wind energy is “on track” to support half a million new jobs within 20 years.

I laughed beer out of my nose when I read that.....still am laughing at it.  You have got to think you are real smart to believe that. lol, lol, lol
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Re: Nadin knows wind-power
« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2012, 07:34:48 PM »
Quote from: dixierose on February 15, 2012, 07:28:37 PM
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002315102


Her "cyber-bullies" haven't shown up to this campfire yet. I'm anxiously awaiting their responses :)
They will, Dixie, they will.
How does Nads spell Solyndra or whatever it was?
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Re: Nadin knows wind-power
« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2012, 07:36:42 PM »
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Meanwhile, not all wind power is coming from turbines anymore either.


Then where does this magic wind power come from?
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Re: Nadin knows wind-power
« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2012, 08:12:44 PM »
Quote from: thundley4 on February 15, 2012, 07:36:42 PM

Then where does this magic wind power come from?
Nads.
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Re: Nadin knows wind-power
« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2012, 08:26:04 PM »
Quote from: Skul on February 15, 2012, 08:12:44 PM
Nads.


LOL...I was thinking it takes a windbag to know wind-power.
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Re: Nadin knows wind-power
« Reply #6 on: February 15, 2012, 08:51:06 PM »
"Green industry" has yet to support even one single job. Every one exists due to a tax giveaway.
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Re: Nadin knows wind-power
« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2012, 09:02:28 PM »
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3. Problem with wind farms

Is that there are other things that could give us the power as well
We get into the issue of distributive, vs centralized power generatin.

Solar should be the to go, and every house should have solar.

Wind, again industrial farms vs distributive models (that will avoid enough raptors...we are not talking a few birds here)

And fracking should not even be considered. Oh hell yes. Frack yer ass off.

Of course I am dreaming, but if I had my own home, not an apartment...I would already have solar. 
Does that start with an "N"???

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2. First off, the bird blender meme is becoming more antiquidated every day

With lower blade speeds and better turbine placement, bird strikes are being increasingly minimized.

Meanwhile, not all wind power is coming from turbines anymore either.

Stop getting your anti-wind memes from out of the eighties and nineties. 
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Re: Nadin knows wind-power
« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2012, 09:08:30 PM »
Oh she knows wind power alright, both types in fact.

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Re: Nadin knows wind-power
« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2012, 09:11:27 PM »
:rofl:

I wonder if she's referring to water turbines.  There were some installed in UK waters recently, or are in the works (approximately 1 MW, I think).  They don't have rich Kennedys around to bitch about their view being ruined.  And those same bird-strike stories are being repeated by liberal environmental groups like Greenpeace and ELF.
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Re: Nadin knows wind-power
« Reply #10 on: February 16, 2012, 08:21:34 AM »
Well, nads, since you're a suuupppperrrr genius ala Wile E. Coyote, perhaps you could tell me a few things, such as:

--Wind power capacity in the United States. (Appx. 40,000 MW as of 2010.)
--Wind power GENERATED in the United States. (Appx. 95TWh as of 2010.)
--Percentage of US electricity generated by wind. (2.3 percent.)
--And here's the kicker, the AVAILABILITY of wind power.  Work with me here, nads:

40000 MW X 24 hours/day X 365 days/year = 350,400,000 MWh, or 350.4 TWh, assuming you had 100 percent availability, but you don't.

95 / 350.4 = 27.1 percent availability.  Frankly, nads--THAT SUCKS.

Compare that to baseload generation such as nuclear or coal, with availability in the 90-plus percent range.

Again, wind power is far more expensive per KwH than nuclear, coal or gas.  Deal with it.
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Re: Nadin knows wind-power
« Reply #11 on: February 16, 2012, 08:26:18 AM »
Quote from: NHSparky on February 16, 2012, 08:21:34 AM
Well, nads, since you're a suuupppperrrr genius ala Wile E. Coyote, perhaps you could tell me a few things, such as:

--Wind power capacity in the United States. (Appx. 40,000 MW as of 2010.)
--Wind power GENERATED in the United States. (Appx. 95TWh as of 2010.)
--Percentage of US electricity generated by wind. (2.3 percent.)
--And here's the kicker, the AVAILABILITY of wind power.  Work with me here, nads:

40000 MW X 24 hours/day X 365 days/year = 350,400,000 MWh, or 350.4 TWh, assuming you had 100 percent availability, but you don't.

95 / 350.4 = 27.1 percent availability.  Frankly, nads--THAT SUCKS.

Compare that to baseload generation such as nuclear or coal, with availability in the 90-plus percent range.

Again, wind power is far more expensive per KwH than nuclear, coal or gas.  Deal with it.

That's Google overload for Nads.
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Re: Nadin knows wind-power
« Reply #12 on: February 16, 2012, 10:07:13 AM »
Quote from: jukin on February 15, 2012, 07:33:50 PM
I laughed beer out of my nose when I read that.....still am laughing at it.  You have got to think you are real smart to believe that. lol, lol, lol

"The industry is also claiming that wind energy is 'on track'..."

Maybe they really meant "On crack."
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Re: Nadin knows wind-power
« Reply #13 on: February 16, 2012, 07:31:20 PM »
Quote from: DumbAss Tanker on February 16, 2012, 10:07:13 AM
"The industry is also claiming that wind energy is 'on track'..."

Maybe they really meant "On crack."

The only, and I mean ONLY (!) reason any alternative energy sources are built anywhere in this country can be summed up in two words:

Tax breaks.

Eliminate them, the expansion of wind and solar is dead.
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