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Re: A Socialist Invites Your Opinions
« Reply #50 on: January 22, 2012, 10:56:17 PM »
For anyone that wants to bitch at me for saying something about him serving, hey, so did Lee Harvey Oswald and Benedict Arnold.
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Re: A Socialist Invites Your Opinions
« Reply #51 on: January 22, 2012, 11:20:55 PM »
I'll stand by you on that one, Reb. (for what it's worth)

I see no rule on Conservative Cave stating against two people who served that are of different idealogies having a skirmish.

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Re: A Socialist Invites Your Opinions
« Reply #52 on: January 23, 2012, 07:08:38 AM »
For anyone that wants to bitch at me for saying something about him serving, hey, so did Lee Harvey Oswald and Benedict Arnold.

Hey, you'll get no argument from me.  A DD-214 is not carte blanche to start acting like a douchebag.
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Re: A Socialist Invites Your Opinions
« Reply #53 on: January 23, 2012, 07:31:59 AM »
Hey, you'll get no argument from me.  A DD-214 is not carte blanche to start acting like a douchebag.

Yeah, and it's a testament to our way of life, our freedoms, and the First Amendment that the very freedom that he enjoys in being a douchebag would disappear like a fart in the hurricane with the very system that he espouses.

Kinda wonder just how in the hell that happens -- somebody puts the uniform on, serves honorably, sees what there is to see and why we do what we do, and yet embraces an ideology that would destroy all that he worked for. Amazing in its idiocy.  :mental:
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Re: A Socialist Invites Your Opinions
« Reply #54 on: January 23, 2012, 08:10:05 AM »
Yeah, and it's a testament to our way of life, our freedoms, and the First Amendment that the very freedom that he enjoys in being a douchebag would disappear like a fart in the hurricane with the very system that he espouses.

Kinda wonder just how in the hell that happens -- somebody puts the uniform on, serves honorably, sees what there is to see and why we do what we do, and yet embraces an ideology that would destroy all that he worked for. Amazing in its idiocy.  :mental:

Because most of the OWS/socialist/hate America vets are usually the one-term (or less) and out guys who were constantly getting dickstomped by their Chief or First Sergeant.

Not all, mind you, but too many to be a mere coincidence.
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Re: A Socialist Invites Your Opinions
« Reply #55 on: January 23, 2012, 09:20:45 AM »
Because most of the OWS/socialist/hate America vets are usually the one-term (or less) and out guys who were constantly getting dickstomped by their Chief or First Sergeant.

Not all, mind you, but too many to be a mere coincidence.

If that's true - and I have no doubt that it is true in some cases - then those who have adopted the socialist/Owie/hate America agenda have truly failed to see beyond the end of their nose.

Imbeciles, the lot of 'em.

But of course we knew that.
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Re: A Socialist Invites Your Opinions
« Reply #56 on: January 23, 2012, 10:46:57 AM »
I am not going to mock anyone's service, there are plenty of stresses, challenges, and risk to go around in any branch, peace or war.  However, just because someone served, it doesn't mean I won't mock Hell out of them for being a douchenozzle now.
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Re: A Socialist Invites Your Opinions
« Reply #57 on: January 23, 2012, 04:13:20 PM »
For anyone that wants to bitch at me for saying something about him serving, hey, so did Lee Harvey Oswald and Benedict Arnold.

Or for the more contemporary version:  Algore, John F. Kerry, and yes even LBJ (aka The Great Johnson).  Ever read the story of his 'outstanding valor'?

http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq60-7.htm

Decorated he was.  :lmao:
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Re: A Socialist Invites Your Opinions
« Reply #58 on: January 23, 2012, 05:16:10 PM »
Or for the more contemporary version:  Algore, John F. Kerry, and yes even LBJ (aka The Great Johnson).  Ever read the story of his 'outstanding valor'?

http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq60-7.htm

Decorated he was.  :lmao:

The unofficial version of it was that he thought it'd be a chance to pick up a free medal, but they actually saw an enemy plane in the distance when the plane was en route to the objective, and he cried like a bitch and demanded the plane turn around, and his political buddies still took care of him afterward with the medal. 

Even the official citation does not relate anything remotely worthy of a valor decoration.
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Re: A Socialist Invites Your Opinions
« Reply #59 on: January 23, 2012, 06:00:17 PM »
OB is indicating that he can bury us all if we only let him speak...and then he doesn't speak.

I'm seeing a pattern here. He doesn't debate, answer questions just posts long winded rants...

Talk is cheap. and I don't believe he ever served this country. He was never in the military, he's just saying that because he's LYING.
He says he'll answer questions but he won't.
He says we better watch out or his responses will invoke the liberal myth of leaving all conservatives speechless.
He says he respects this site,,,but won't even participare.

Ohio Barbarian is a coward who can't back up his words.
Mr Mannn ~~~ just called OB out.

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Re: A Socialist Invites Your Opinions
« Reply #60 on: January 24, 2012, 12:14:23 AM »
OB is indicating that he can bury us all if we only let him speak...and then he doesn't speak.

I'm seeing a pattern here. He doesn't debate, answer questions just posts long winded rants...

Talk is cheap. and I don't believe he ever served this country. He was never in the military, he's just saying that because he's LYING.
He says he'll answer questions but he won't.
He says we better watch out or his responses will invoke the liberal myth of leaving all conservatives speechless.
He says he respects this site,,,but won't even participare.

Ohio Barbarian is a coward who can't back up his words.
Mr Mannn ~~~ just called OB out.

He's probably "out" playing in the street.
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Re: A Socialist Invites Your Opinions
« Reply #61 on: January 24, 2012, 05:31:44 AM »
He's probably "out" playing in the street.

I think he's been taken on one too many visits to see the Golden Rivet.

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Re: A Socialist Invites Your Opinions
« Reply #62 on: January 24, 2012, 06:10:56 PM »
Hey, you'll get no argument from me.  A DD-214 is not carte blanche to start acting like a douchebag.

Some of the WORST human beings, and I use that term loosely, were in the military, sad to say. :fuelfire:
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Re: A Socialist Invites Your Opinions
« Reply #63 on: January 27, 2012, 05:15:04 PM »
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Greetings. I'm a card-carrying Socialist who mostly frequents Left Underground and Fire Dog Lake. I am neither a DUer nor an Elmer, for whatever that's worth. I'm also a Navy veteran of the Gulf War era(surface Navy--I don't get on ships that deliberately sink or jump out of perfectly good airplanes, hence the avatar), consider myself an American patriot, and have the Armed Forces Expeditionary Medal to prove it to my satisfaction.

I really didn't need to read any further than this.  Anyone who would see the very document they swore an oath to protect shredded pretty much negates any "era" service to which you lay claim.  Anyone who claims what you claim wore the uniform for nothing more than a paycheck and college money; nothing more high minded than "gimme" for your motivation to serve.

The way you rail and whine about everything screams junior enlisted, been-in-the-Navy-since-breakfast-guy that swore he was smarter than every senior PO and CPO and knew how to do everything better.  A whiner, in other words, and you dishonor not only the Naval Service but the past and present Sailors of the USS O'Kane by sporting that avatar.

Before it crosses you mind to get indignant and self righteous, yes, I was in, too.  22 years, Surface Navy, Gator and Shooter Fleet with a dose of LCAC thrown in for good measure.

I know many have invited you stick around, hang out, "learn", etc.  Personally, I think you need to slither your ass back to whatever hole you crawled out from under and stay there.
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Re: A Socialist Invites Your Opinions
« Reply #64 on: January 27, 2012, 05:17:52 PM »
You mean he's (((GASP!!!))) a veteran imposter?  :cheersmate:
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Re: A Socialist Invites Your Opinions
« Reply #65 on: January 27, 2012, 06:49:04 PM »
You mean he's (((GASP!!!))) a veteran imposter?  :cheersmate:

No, I'm saying that from the tone of his post, he sounds like your typical whiner no-load that every single division has stinking up their shop.
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Re: A Socialist Invites Your Opinions
« Reply #66 on: January 27, 2012, 10:05:25 PM »
" 'Originally Posted by Ohio Barbarian 
The defense of democratic rights is inseparable from the fight to defend jobs and living standards and is impossible today without a direct assault on the immense concentration of wealth in the hands of a financial oligarchy.

(Emphasis mine).'
There is no perspective of our current plight more important than this one.

When we speak of "defending jobs", we need to clarify what we mean. We have to go beyond the mere mechanics of protecting workers with things like putting an end to the exporting of jobs or raising minimum wage rates or protecting workers from discrimination in the workplace.

All of these things, while critically important, address only the symptoms of a far more deadly disease. The disease is the perverse imbalance of power between workers and their bosses and their employers.

We cannot let stand a system that values and empowers capital and profits over workers. Because if we do, as we have, we endorse a system that concentrates wealth without limits.

Excessively concentrated wealth, through its lobbyists and its campaign dollars, always perverts democracy. All our little lefty websites have really helped highlight that message. Occupy Wall Street, too, has helped highlight that message.

We're a hit. The American public has finally awakened to the reality that the extreme concentration of wealth has perverted any semblance of democracy. This awareness was a long time coming and it still has much further to go.

The question now will become what to do about the problem
I will give some opinions, but first let's start off with facts.  Before the question about what to do can be answered, you need to first understand what you and the Majority are NOT ALLOWED to do, and better define the ACTUAL problem.

First of all, defending a "Democracy" is a foolish thing to do.  This Country was founded on the idea that each individual has Rights which the Government is instituted to Protect, and if the Government FAILS to do this, then it loses its jurisdiction over the people, i.e. can be altered or abolished.  In a Democracy the Majority rules, so if the Majority votes to enslave a Minority, then too bad for the Minority.  The Founders properly recognized that Democracies are EVIL, and diligently took steps to make sure that our Government was NOT a Democracy.

In this Constitutional Republic, there is a set of Rules known as the Constitution which every Representative takes an oath to uphold before they can sit in the People's seat of power.  The Constitution is a list of things that the Government is NOT ALLOWED to do, so that the basic Rights of each individual is Protected, such as the 13th Amendment which Prohibits Involuntary Servitude -> Socialism.

By recognizing the FACT that each individual has Rights which the Government MUST protect in order for the Government to be Legitimate, we can then figure out what the Government must and must not do in order to determine what can be done to solve any supposed problems.

Because we have all lived in a Socialist America, many people have no grasp of what it ACTUALLY means to have an unalienable Right.  Each person has THEIR OWN Rights of Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness.  I think a good way to grasp what it means to have a Right is to use something that people already understand, the Right to Remain Silent. YOUR Right to Remain Silent is YOURS to dispose of as YOU see fit.  The Majority can't vote as to whether you are silent or not.  The Government cannot force you to not be silent, because it is the Government's DUTY to Protect your Right to Remain Silent.

The same applies to YOUR Rights of Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness. These are each Individual's Rights to dispose of as each person sees fit.  The Majority can't vote to make one person Serve/Help another. The Government cannot FORCE the Individual to Serve/Help others because it is the Government's DUTY to keep the Individual's Liberty from being violated.  The 13th Amendment properly Protects the Individual's Right to Liberty by prohibiting Involuntary Servitude.  The 13th Amendment makes ALL Socialism (Government Handouts) unconstitutional, but due to the ignorance of the US Citizens, the Government is being allowed to violate the 13th Amendment by committing the crime of Socialism on a daily basis, as Taxes are collected for unconstitutional Government Handout Programs.  The Individual can dispose of THEIR OWN Right to Liberty by voluntarily helping the Poor, or by violating somebody else's Rights by robbing them causing the Government to arrest them in order for the Government to fulfill on its duty to Protect each Individual's Rights.  But the Government has NO AUTHORITY to decide how much one person must help other via Taxes and Government Handouts, and MUST stop a Majority form ever imposing Socialism upon any Individual.  In a Socially Just society where the Individual's Rights are being Protected, ALL help for the Poor is done by people VOLUNTARILY, and is NEVER done by the Government.

The problem of Government corruption caused by rich people buying influence is solved if the Government would simply do its job, which is to Protect the Individual's Rights from being violated by others.  The Government's job is to Protect, NOT Provide, as this automatically turns the Taxpayers into Slaves.  The problem of Government NOT doing its job is solved by the average person being informed as to what the Government's job actually is.

Defending jobs is a foolish pursuit.  What if people don't want jobs, as is often the case when the Government commits the crime of Socialism which allows one person to mooch off of another.  Defend the Individual's Rights, and people can then go get jobs if they so desire, which I expect many will.

Minimum Wage? Since each person has the Right to Liberty which the Government is supposed to Protect, then 2 consenting adults have the RIGHT to decide upon any wage which they can both agree upon.  The Government has NO AUTHORITY place limits on how much or little a job is worth between 2 people.

Discrimination?  Freedom of association is part of the RIGHT to Pursue Happiness.  The Jewish store owner should never have to hire the NAZI, and the Christian should never be forced to have a homosexual work for them.

A "perverse imbalance of power between workers and their bosses and their employers."?  The Right to Pursue Happiness ends at the Property Line.  The "worker" owns their own Body and can accept, deny or counter offer the Business Owners offer for a give job at a given rate.  If an agreement cannot be reached they can part ways.

The OWS was a hit?  Everybody I know saw them for the Spoiled Brats that they are, coveting that which belongs to somebody else and expecting things to be given to them as if they were still babies.
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