NC and Indiana Dem Primary Live Results and Updates Thread

[DixieBelle]

Well she tried throwing Bubba out there but that didn't work either. She also put Chelesa and her own mother out there.

Toasty legs!!! ;-)

[jendf]

Toasty legs!!! ;-)

Tide turning!!   

[Baruch Menachem]

Hilary isn't bowing out gracefully by any means. Drudge is reporting she just made another "loan" to her campaign:

**DRUDGE EXCLUSIVE 8:59 EM ET**: Senator Clinton has made another multi-million dollar loan to her campaign. She gave $6.4M in the past month and will be giving more... Developing...

The only way she will leave this race is if someone drags her from the podium kicking and screaming. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if she crashed McCain's Inauguration ceremony.

Of course, what makes this all the more delicious is that her money must be drying up. She will not only have lost the   nomination, she will have lost tons of money.  She will wind up broke and alone.

The MSM response is sort of a bellwether.  The rats are heading for the lifeboats.  She might have won the remaining states two weeks ago.  As day chases day, Dems will be moving toward Obama. He does win elections, and he does his best for the party as well.

The realization that the Clintons have always been an albatross around the neck of the party may be coming late, but it is coming.

And there is the realization that there is nothing else to do to Obama.  They have thrown everything they had at him, and he kept coming through.   He is now immune to whatever they have

Bubba was all over North Carolina. She lost North Carolina.   There may be a causal relationship in that, and there may not.

[Wretched Excess]

So when does she pull the Harding option?

Are FL and MI coming into play? If she pushes, will it matter?

FL and MI only mattered if she could win IN big.  she was never going to catch up in delegates, the most she could hope for
was to destroy the party's confidence in obama by beating him convincingly in every state that he was beatable, and throw the
convention into confusion with, say, a popular vote argument.  IN was a required part of that argument.  after that she
needed huge wins in WVA and KY.  after THAT, then FL and MI came into play.

she couldn't afford to miss one of those states along the way.  everything depended on a big win in IN.  when that turned
into a 2% squeaker, her entire house of cards collapsed.

of course, the only person that doesn't understand all of that appears to be her.

[DixieBelle]

So when does she pull the Harding option?

Are FL and MI coming into play? If she pushes, will it matter?

FL and MI only mattered if she could win IN big.  she was never going to catch up in delegates, the most she could hope for
was to destroy the party's confidence in obama by beating him convincingly in every state that he was beatable, and throw the
convention into confusion with, say, a popular vote argument.  IN was a required part of that argument.  after that she
needed huge wins in WVA and KY.  after THAT, then FL and MI came into play.

she couldn't afford to miss one of those states along the way.  everything depended on a big win in IN.  when that turned
into a 2% squeaker, her entire house of cards collapsed.

of course, the only person that doesn't understand all of that appears to be her.

OMG IM DIE!

Keep spending Dems. We love to see the lining of your pockets come June.

[Wretched Excess]

Well she tried throwing Bubba out there but that didn't work either. She also put Chelesa and her own mother out there.

Toasty legs!!! ;-)

bubba blew it.  (no pun intended)

he has been a distraction since SC.  any use that he may have served in getting her votes on the campaign trail
was undone 100 times over everytime he said something dumb/controversial (which was virtually every time he
opened his mouth) and became the story himself.  he knocked her off her message numerous times.  and all because
he is such a deeply flawed, emotionally needy, attention mongering, pathetic little man.

she would have been better off without him.  after this, even the core of the dem party has clinton fatigue.

[USA4ME]

they already did that.  in indiana and NC.  they won IN by 2%, and got blown out in NC. 

what is left to throw? 

We'll just sit back and watch, but it's the Clintons.  There's always something else to throw.

Question is are the party leaders telling her to quit throwing stuff, and if so, is she willing to listen.

.

[Wretched Excess]

they already did that.  in indiana and NC.  they won IN by 2%, and got blown out in NC. 

what is left to throw?

We'll just sit back and watch, but it's the Clintons.  There's always something else to throw.

Question is are the party leaders telling her to quit throwing stuff, and if so, is she willing to listen.

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maybe, maaaaaaaayybeeeeeeee she could try the "winning the nomination with 92% of the black vote, but losing
65% of the white vote, is a losing strategy in the general".  it's sounds like a valid argument, but ultimately isn't.
and it's brazenly racial.  I would think that even the clintons aren't that shameless, but they have surprised me before.

I would be surprised if harold dean* ( ) isn't using every intermediary that he can find to convince her to get out of
the race this morning.

*hat tip to frank

[DixieBelle]

so NOW will she "campaign her heart out" for the Barackstar!?

[Wretched Excess]

so NOW will she "campaign her heart out" for the Barackstar!?

it's a very small heart.  made of flint.   

[Rebel]

so NOW will she "campaign her heart out" for the Barackstar!?

...and ruin her chances for 2012? Not a chance. If he wins he'll be the incumbent for the '12 election.

[USA4ME]

maybe, maaaaaaaayybeeeeeeee she could try the "winning the nomination with 92% of the black vote, but losing
65% of the white vote, is a losing strategy in the general".  it's sounds like a valid argument, but ultimately isn't.
and it's brazenly racial.  I would think that even the clintons aren't that shameless, but they have surprised me before.

I would be surprised if harold dean* ( ) isn't using every intermediary that he can find to convince her to get out of
the race this morning.

*hat tip to frank

I was thinking more along the lines of Hussein Osama paying a visit to Vince Fosterland, so let's not give up so easily.   

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[Wretched Excess]

there is a rural county that will run strong for hillary, union county, that is still 100% out.  but there probably aren't 5K votes in the whole county;  the adjacent counties each report in at 100%, but have 3K and 4K total votes.  I assume union county will be similar.

LOL!  I followed up on union county this morning, just because it made me curious that it was still out at 3AM.  with 100% reporting, hillary carried union county 803-307 votes.  it was definitely NOT a game changer.

[Wretched Excess]

Indiana exit polls

NC exit polls

no surprises, but these things fascinate me.  hillary supporters really don't care for Baroque Obama in NC.

[Miss Mia]

bubba blew it.  (no pun intended)

he has been a distraction since SC.  any use that he may have served in getting her votes on the campaign trail
was undone 100 times over everytime he said something dumb/controversial (which was virtually every time he
opened his mouth) and became the story himself.  he knocked her off her message numerous times.  and all because
he is such a deeply flawed, emotionally needy, attention mongering, pathetic little man.

she would have been better off without him.  after this, even the core of the dem party has clinton fatigue.

Agreed, Bill was a a downside to the campaign.  I think the problem with the Clintons is they haven't moved out of the 90s.  They think they can lie with ease and not get caught, i.e. Sniper-gate.  They haven't gotten used to the 24-hr news cycle, YouTube & Google of today. 

Also they assumed that the democratic party would just fall in line with them, since by god they're the freaking Clintons you must want to follow them.  Obama came along and is ruining it for her.  It was "her turn" and that's exactly how she campaigned.  Obama not only was able to run as a non-Clinton & non-DLC but he's been amazing in the amount of support that he's gotten.  He has over 1.5 million donors to his campaign, averaging $109 donations.  The Clintons were depending on the big donors and frankly they're tapped out and they're not getting any "new" donors. 

Also, the strategy of having this over with Super Tuesday was a bust.  She couldn't pull it off.  She also had a bad strategy in Iowa which didn't help.  They had no plan for after Super Tuesday.  None.  They didn't even realize that Texas was a primary & caucus until, what about 3 or 4 weeks beforehand.  That's ridiculous and shows exactly what Hillary was expecting.  They never worked to build up the grassroots, and then even demeaned the more activist democrats by saying basically these small states and caucus don't count.

She thought she had this in the bag and didn't think anyone could derail it and had no plan for Obama once he started off strong.  Or at least not a good plan. 

Her kitchen sink strategy didn't work and that's why Hillary's toast. 

[Hawkgirl]

Go HIllary!

Gotta love it when the democratic party self-destructs...

[Hawkgirl]

And the first senator tells HIllary to throw in the towel...Senator McGovern from S.Dakota...


I expect more to follow 

[DixieBelle]

Hillary responds -



 

[Wretched Excess]

she announced this afternoon that she is staying in it.

[Odin's Hand]

she announced this afternoon that she is staying in it.

Straight from the horse's mouth, eh? Good, let the circus continue.

[Wretched Excess]

they already did that.  in indiana and NC.  they won IN by 2%, and got blown out in NC. 

what is left to throw?

We'll just sit back and watch, but it's the Clintons.  There's always something else to throw.

Question is are the party leaders telling her to quit throwing stuff, and if so, is she willing to listen.

.

maybe, maaaaaaaayybeeeeeeee she could try the "winning the nomination with 92% of the black vote, but losing
65% of the white vote, is a losing strategy in the general".  it's sounds like a valid argument, but ultimately isn't.
and it's brazenly racial.  I would think that even the clintons aren't that shameless, but they have surprised me before.

I would be surprised if harold dean* ( ) isn't using every intermediary that he can find to convince her to get out of
the race this morning.

*hat tip to frank

I am psychic.