NC and Indiana Dem Primary Live Results and Updates Thread

[Miss Mia]

Well, Dick some seem to have a stiff one for Hillary (no pun) so maybe he's biased...

I have to say his books are interesting. 

she officially stopped mattering tonight. 

and we can only hope that all the "energized young people" come to their senses by november.   

Well, I doubt that.  Those young college kids aren't going to move to McCain compared to Obama.  Unless Obama gets find with a dead girl/live boy.  LOL

But I always like to see people get interested in politics, no matter what party. 

college kids have been "the next big thing" in the last three elections;  they haven't been a factor yet.  their turnout DID set records in 2004, but it was offset because every other demographic group turned out as big or bigger.

but I hear ya.  unifying and healing, and all that

This was a big primary though.  *shrug*

In general, though I feel the general American public are stupid, it's embarrassing that so few people vote.  Heck, I vote in every little election that I can. 

[Miss Mia]

Okay, they're reporting that Clinton's canceled all events except a fund raising event tomorrow.

She does need to pay off that $10 million+ debt. 

[Wretched Excess]

Well, Dick some seem to have a stiff one for Hillary (no pun) so maybe he's biased...

I have to say his books are interesting. 

she officially stopped mattering tonight. 

and we can only hope that all the "energized young people" come to their senses by november.   

Well, I doubt that.  Those young college kids aren't going to move to McCain compared to Obama.  Unless Obama gets find with a dead girl/live boy.  LOL

But I always like to see people get interested in politics, no matter what party. 

college kids have been "the next big thing" in the last three elections;  they haven't been a factor yet.  their turnout DID set records in 2004, but it was offset because every other demographic group turned out as big or bigger.

but I hear ya.  unifying and healing, and all that

This was a big primary though.  *shrug*

In general, though I feel the general American public are stupid, it's embarrassing that so few people vote.  Heck, I vote in every little election that I can. 

it was a good night for The BarackStar!  it looked like all the trends were moving against him, and he pulled it out.

NC is going to finish at 12, it looks like.

(and the dodgers pulled out a victory after looking like they were going to get STOMPED tonight, so it's all good  )

[Wretched Excess]

Okay, they're reporting that Clinton's canceled all events except a fund raising event tomorrow.

She does need to pay off that $10 million+ debt. 

that about cinches it.  she's pulling out. 

[Miss Mia]

Okay, they're reporting that Clinton's canceled all events except a fund raising event tomorrow.

She does need to pay off that $10 million+ debt. 

that about cinches it.  she's pulling out. 

I'm hoping

[Wretched Excess]

Okay, they're reporting that Clinton's canceled all events except a fund raising event tomorrow.

She does need to pay off that $10 million+ debt. 

that about cinches it.  she's pulling out. 

I'm hoping

someone at DU is trying to say that she isn't canceling anything, because they weren't firm commitments to begin with (or something)

[Miss Mia]

someone at DU is trying to say that she isn't canceling anything, because they weren't firm commitments to begin with (or something)

That's call a Hillbot.  Now, I'm nice and I never use those names at DU,  but there are clearly Hillbots and Obamabots.  The hardcore supporters that never see anything ever wrong with their candidate.

[Wretched Excess]

lawrence o'donnell is blathering on about operation chaos in IN on PMSNBC .  he must be on work release from the booby hatch tonight.

[Miss Mia]

lawrence o'donnell is blathering on about operation chaos in IN on PMSNBC .  he must be on work release from the booby hatch tonight.

All righty, I must get to bed.   

[Wretched Excess]

lawrence o'donnell is blathering on about operation chaos in IN on PMSNBC .  he must be on work release from the booby hatch tonight.

All righty, I must get to bed.   

n'ighters, mia.

[Miss Mia]

lawrence o'donnell is blathering on about operation chaos in IN on PMSNBC .  he must be on work release from the booby hatch tonight.

All righty, I must get to bed.   

n'ighters, mia.

Nighty Night WE.   

[Baruch Menachem]

The talking heads were going on and on in Jan about how the election was hers to loose, well, she lost it. 


She may be making plans for 2012, but the democrats in general have only liked the Clintons because they were, by and large, winners.  It doesn't matter that they cost the Democratic party itself big time, they still won.

Now Clinton is a huge looser.  Not only that, she is a looser who is threatening to destroy them for her own petty reasons.

This was supposed to nail Obama's coffin.  It will be the last we hear of the Clintons ever again.

[Wretched Excess]

The talking heads were going on and on in Jan about how the election was hers to loose, well, she lost it. 


She may be making plans for 2012, but the democrats in general have only liked the Clintons because they were, by and large, winners.  It doesn't matter that they cost the Democratic party itself big time, they still won.

Now Clinton is a huge looser.  Not only that, she is a looser who is threatening to destroy them for her own petty reasons.

This was supposed to nail Obama's coffin.  It will be the last we hear of the Clintons ever again.

poor hillary.   who knew that the biggest thing to hit presidential politics since reagan was going to
arrive out of nowhere and rain all over her parade??  I still think she would have won if her campaign
hadn't been so woefully mismanaged in the early going because they were so sure that she would
waltz to the nomination.  she had a "big state strategy" that effectively ignored more super tuesday
delegates than it targeted.  I saw a study that indicated that if the dem nomination was decided like
the republican nomination, that she would have clinched by now.

coulda, woulda, shoulda.

[USA4ME]

Number of total NC Republicans who voted for various offices:

President - 497,918
Senate - 509,852
Governor - 502,992

Senate, Governor, President from 1 to 3 in popularity of contest.

So approx. 12,000 voters voted for the Senate race (Elizabeth Dole won) who didn't vote for president at all.  John McCain got 74% (381,138) of the Presidential Preference vote with people knowing he was going to be the nominee anyway.

I would place people who didn't vote for McCain in 3 categories:  (1) Knew he had won the nomination so why bother, (2) liked one of the remaining candidates or just voted for one of them to register a non-vote for McCain, or (3) didn't like any of them.  No guarantees any of those who either didn't vote at all or voted for another candidate will vote for McCain in the GE.  Of course, there's the Dem crossover vote.

Different results for the Dem election:

President - 1,561,101
Senate - 1,338,740
Governor - 1,498,518

President, Governor, Senate in popularity of contest.

Good sign for crossovers for Dole.  No so much for McCain at this point, but like I mentioned earlier, with him getting 90% of the black vote and the majority of the college prof clowns and youth, that might be enough to push Clinton people over to McCain.

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[Wretched Excess]

I was a (very) little surprised to see the talking heads on the morning shows swooning
over Baroque Obama's speech last night.  it sucked.  joe scarborough, who is straining
desperately to sound like he has genuinely liberal moments, literally made a fool out of
himself this morning.  "he answered the question, 'why do you love this country?'".  first
of all, no he didn't.  and second, even if he did, isn't a little late?  why has he only decided
that he loved this country after he had effectively clinched the dem nomination?  could it
be because loving this country will get you despised by dem primary voters?

it was a silly, empty little speech, delivered (for some reason) in his "preacher voice",
that (once again, for some reason) touched on themes for the first time that should have
been known quantities long ago.

[Wretched Excess]

Number of total NC Republicans who voted for various offices:

President - 497,918
Senate - 509,852
Governor - 502,992

Senate, Governor, President from 1 to 3 in popularity of contest.

So approx. 12,000 voters voted for the Senate race (Elizabeth Dole won) who didn't vote for president at all.  John McCain got 74% (381,138) of the Presidential Preference vote with people knowing he was going to be the nominee anyway.

I would place people who didn't vote for McCain in 3 categories:  (1) Knew he had won the nomination so why bother, (2) liked one of the remaining candidates or just voted for one of them to register a non-vote for McCain, or (3) didn't like any of them.  No guarantees any of those who either didn't vote at all or voted for another candidate will vote for McCain in the GE.  Of course, there's the Dem crossover vote.

Different results for the Dem election:

President - 1,561,101
Senate - 1,338,740
Governor - 1,498,518

President, Governor, Senate in popularity of contest.

Good sign for crossovers for Dole.  No so much for McCain at this point, but like I mentioned earlier, with him getting 90% of the black vote and the majority of the college prof clowns and youth, that might be enough to push Clinton people over to McCain.

I'm having trouble drawing conclusions from primary election voting trends for the general election.  they had (what was
for them) an "electrifying" primary between two "historic" candidates, while we spent most of the primary season
wishing [ fill in the blank ] would jump into the contest.

I don't think Baroque Obama can run as a "uniter" who will "reach across party lines" against mccain.  he just isn't, and
hasn't.  and mccain, usually to the annoyance of conservatives, is a uniter and has a long track record of working with
dems.  I actually think mccain matches up well against obama.

[jendf]

Hilary isn't bowing out gracefully by any means. Drudge is reporting she just made another "loan" to her campaign:

**DRUDGE EXCLUSIVE 8:59 EM ET**: Senator Clinton has made another multi-million dollar loan to her campaign. She gave $6.4M in the past month and will be giving more... Developing...

The only way she will leave this race is if someone drags her from the podium kicking and screaming. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if she crashed McCain's Inauguration ceremony.

[USA4ME]

The only way she will leave this race is if someone drags her from the podium kicking and screaming.

I agree.

She's 60 yrs old.  She can't wait until 2016 and she's 68.  It's either now or 2012 for her.

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[Rebel]

The only way she will leave this race is if someone drags her from the podium kicking and screaming.

I agree.

She's 60 yrs old.  She can't wait until 2016 and she's 68.  It's either now or 2012 for her.

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.....which means there's no way in hell she'll be helping Obama win the election any time soon.

[Wretched Excess]

Hilary isn't bowing out gracefully by any means. Drudge is reporting she just made another "loan" to her campaign:

**DRUDGE EXCLUSIVE 8:59 EM ET**: Senator Clinton has made another multi-million dollar loan to her campaign. She gave $6.4M in the past month and will be giving more... Developing...

The only way she will leave this race is if someone drags her from the podium kicking and screaming. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if she crashed McCain's Inauguration ceremony.

that is insane and self-obsessed, even for the clintons.  this thing is over.  she's finished.

[Rebel]

that is insane and self-obsessed, even for the clintons.  this thing is over.  she's finished.

....but it is fun watching liberals waste money.

[Wretched Excess]

that is insane and self-obsessed, even for the clintons.  this thing is over.  she's finished.

....but it is fun watching liberals waste money.

this is bad for the dems.  very bad, indeed.  he is going to be the nominee, no two ways about it, and she is
going to drag him through KY and WVA and probably beat him by 15 points or more in both states.  the first
rule about being "the presumptive nominee" of a political party is to NOT immediately get your ass kicked by
the person you just beat.  this is going to happen next week, for heaven's sake.

this is going to look awful for the dems.  and the MSM will cover it breathlessly, since they just can't resist
the horserace angle.

[USA4ME]

I agree.

She's 60 yrs old.  She can't wait until 2016 and she's 68.  It's either now or 2012 for her.

.....which means there's no way in hell she'll be helping Obama win the election any time soon.

Desperation time, baby.  Now they either throw the kitchen sink at him or she's out.

It's more than just the loss ...... it's to a stinkin' rookie .... who's black.  This will not sit well with her.  Not something they'll like at all.

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[DixieBelle]

So when does she pull the Harding option?

Are FL and MI coming into play? If she pushes, will it matter?

[Wretched Excess]

I agree.

She's 60 yrs old.  She can't wait until 2016 and she's 68.  It's either now or 2012 for her.

.....which means there's no way in hell she'll be helping Obama win the election any time soon.

Desperation time, baby.  Now they either throw the kitchen sink at him or she's out.

It's more than just the loss ...... it's to a stinkin' rookie .... who's black.  This will not sit well with her.  Not something they'll like at all.

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they already did that.  in indiana and NC.  they won IN by 2%, and got blown out in NC. 

what is left to throw?