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Obama Demands Israel Return to 1967 Borders
« on: May 19, 2011, 12:22:00 PM »
http://legalinsurrection.blogspot.com/2011/05/obama-israel-must-withdraw-to-1967.html

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Thursday, May 19, 2011
Obama - Israel must withdraw to 1967 borders with land swaps


Israel's pre-1967 borders had no geographical or military logic.  Those borders simply were the armistice lines after the Arabs failed to drive the Jews into the sea.

The border is not defensible, as it leaves the middle of Israel only about 10 miles wide.  One of the reasons the 1967 war took place is that Israel could not wait to be attacked, it had to act preemptively.   These borders also left Jerusalem divided, with the old Jewish Quarter in Jordanian hands.

Yet these are the borders, with some minor land swaps, to which Obama wants Israel to withdraw, according to Obama's Middle East speech today (emphasis mine):

"So while the core issues of the conflict must be negotiated, the basis of those negotiations is clear: a viable Palestine, and a secure Israel. The United States believes that negotiations should result in two states, with permanent Palestinian borders with Israel, Jordan, and Egypt, and permanent Israeli borders with Palestine. The borders of Israel and Palestine should be based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps, so that secure and recognized borders are established for both states. The Palestinian people must have the right to govern themselves, and reach their potential, in a sovereign and contiguous state.

As for security, every state has the right to self-defense, and Israel must be able to defend itself – by itself – against any threat. Provisions must also be robust enough to prevent a resurgence of terrorism; to stop the infiltration of weapons; and to provide effective border security. The full and phased withdrawal of Israeli military forces should be coordinated with the assumption of Palestinian security responsibility in a sovereign, non-militarized state. The duration of this transition period must be agreed, and the effectiveness of security arrangements must be demonstrated."


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Re: Obama Demands Israel Return to 1967 Borders
« Reply #1 on: May 19, 2011, 12:25:47 PM »
****ing idiot.

Give him a week and he'll be claiming it was a typo; he really meant to say 1947 borders.


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Re: Obama Demands Israel Return to 1967 Borders
« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2011, 12:34:37 PM »
****ing idiot.

Give him a week and he'll be claiming it was a typo; he really meant to say 1947 borders.


For the Snark/History-challenged: Israel was founded in '48

Israel's response to Teh Obamessiah's commandment in 3... 2...  :bigbird:

Naw; I didn't think so, either.
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Re: Obama Demands Israel Return to 1967 Borders
« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2011, 12:38:39 PM »
Israel's response to Teh Obamessiah's commandment in 3... 2...  :bigbird:

Naw; I didn't think so, either.

Obama is supposed to meet with the Israeli Prime Minister tomorrow.........if Bebe doesn't cancel outright, I'd love to be a "fly on the wall" during THAT meeting.......

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****ing idiot.

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Re: Obama Demands Israel Return to 1967 Borders
« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2011, 12:40:55 PM »
Obama is supposed to meet with the Israeli Prime Minister tomorrow.........if Bebe doesn't cancel outright, I'd love to be a "fly on the wall" during THAT meeting.......

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Re: Obama Demands Israel Return to 1967 Borders
« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2011, 12:41:18 PM »
Not surprising from a man who personally counts Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood among his staunchest allies.
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Re: Obama Demands Israel Return to 1967 Borders
« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2011, 12:45:37 PM »
hotair.com is claiming AP ****ed-up the reportage:

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President Barack Obama is endorsing the Palestinians’ demand for their future state to be based on the borders that existed before the 1967 Middle East war, in a move that will likely infuriate Israel. Israel says the borders of a Palestinian state have to be determined through negotiations.

Er … no, he didn’t.  He said that the settlement should “be based on the 1967 lines with mutually agreed swaps.”  That’s been the US position for quite a while.

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/05/19/obamas-cairo-ii-speech-cheering-democratization-in-general/
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Re: Obama Demands Israel Return to 1967 Borders
« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2011, 01:22:05 PM »
Who the hell does he think he is to demand anything from another country?  :hammer:  :fuelfire:
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Re: Obama Demands Israel Return to 1967 Borders
« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2011, 01:25:51 PM »
Who the hell does he think he is to demand anything from another country?  :hammer:  :fuelfire:

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Re: Obama Demands Israel Return to 1967 Borders
« Reply #9 on: May 19, 2011, 01:27:49 PM »
The flip side of that is that half the borders are still arbitrary lines on a map, and the Pali territory would not be a part of another state, which is a different situation than 1967.  The Jordanian government really isn't that keen on getting the West Bank back, since the Palestinian population has historically been a huge destabilizing force there (The Jordanian purge of their troublemakers is where the term 'Black September' came from) and aren't interested at all in taking on Israel again.  They weren't ever all that keen on the idea after '48, for that matter.  From their point of view though, it's undoubtedly still preferable to have it as independent Pali territory than to have it as an Israeli-occupied territory.

But ultimately Obama isn't in any position whatsoever to dictate to the Israelis on this, it will all depend on what's acceptable or unacceptable to them.

Rush was talking about this while I was out at lunch today, FWIW, and saying that the Israelis were considering going forward with something similar to the hotair report, the question now will be whether they think Obama's speech is an entryway to discussing that, or an attempt to paint them into a corner on it that they will have to now walk away from so as not to look like his patsy.
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Re: Obama Demands Israel Return to 1967 Borders
« Reply #10 on: May 19, 2011, 01:50:17 PM »
He wants them painted into a corner. Period.
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Re: Obama Demands Israel Return to 1967 Borders
« Reply #11 on: May 19, 2011, 01:53:35 PM »
He wants them painted into a corner. Period.

I ain't sayin' he don't.
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Re: Obama Demands Israel Return to 1967 Borders
« Reply #12 on: May 19, 2011, 01:54:13 PM »
I ain't sayin' he don't.

I knew that.  :cheersmate:
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Re: Obama Demands Israel Return to 1967 Borders
« Reply #13 on: May 19, 2011, 02:52:35 PM »
Netanyahu rejects.  :-) Not surprising of course but it is nice to see Lord Zero get bitchslapped.

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Re: Obama Demands Israel Return to 1967 Borders
« Reply #14 on: May 19, 2011, 04:34:04 PM »
I have to wonder how Obama will insult him this time. 
He'd offer him a BLT for lunch.
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Re: Obama Demands Israel Return to 1967 Borders
« Reply #15 on: May 19, 2011, 04:39:28 PM »
Let this be a lesson to the Israelis....next time take more territory and keep it.
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Re: Obama Demands Israel Return to 1967 Borders
« Reply #16 on: May 19, 2011, 05:32:37 PM »
Shouldn't have given the Sinai back to Egypt...

This is going over like a shit balloon in the Israeli papers I read. The Won really ****ed the dog this time.
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Re: Obama Demands Israel Return to 1967 Borders
« Reply #17 on: May 19, 2011, 06:17:06 PM »
Shouldn't have given the Sinai back to Egypt...

This is going over like a shit balloon in the Israeli papers I read. The Won really ****ed the dog this time.

He's laying waste to everything in sight as he retreats from the Whitehouse. It will take years to rebuild after he's gone.
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Re: Obama Demands Israel Return to 1967 Borders
« Reply #18 on: May 20, 2011, 09:29:07 AM »
Having read the transcripts the president didn't say how exactly when pre-1967 Israel should go.

Maybe he meant this:





I think that's do-able. Israel should make immediate plans to affect the implementation.

But they should make sure they give Obama all the credit.
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Re: Obama Demands Israel Return to 1967 Borders
« Reply #19 on: May 20, 2011, 09:45:50 AM »
Having read the transcripts the president didn't say how exactly when pre-1967 Israel should go.

Maybe he meant this:





I think that's do-able. Israel should make immediate plans to affect the implementation.

But they should make sure they give Obama all the credit.

Well, if that kind of thinking ever took hold, I guess most of us would be headed back to the British Isles, Lower Saxony, or points east.  Good deal for the Cherokee, the Iroquois Federation, and the Algonquan League, though.
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Re: Obama Demands Israel Return to 1967 Borders
« Reply #20 on: May 20, 2011, 09:57:44 AM »
Well, if that kind of thinking ever took hold, I guess most of us would be headed back to the British Isles, Lower Saxony, or points east.  Good deal for the Cherokee, the Iroquois Federation, and the Algonquan League, though.

Borders aren't decided by who is right, only who is left.
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Re: Obama Demands Israel Return to 1967 Borders
« Reply #21 on: May 20, 2011, 10:28:38 AM »
Borders aren't decided by who is right, only who is left.

Given the Jewish Israeli  birthrate, that may not turn out the way you wish to see it in the long run.
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Re: Obama Demands Israel Return to 1967 Borders
« Reply #22 on: May 20, 2011, 10:55:30 AM »
Given the Jewish Israeli  birthrate, that may not turn out the way you wish to see it in the long run.

The sand-rats already breed like rats and have no desire for peace I'm not sure what Israel should do beside press outward.
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« Reply #23 on: May 20, 2011, 11:50:46 AM »
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Israeli Parliament: Obama is the new Arafat

The "Made in the USA" President proved today, yet again, how carefully he listened and committed to the  Islamic Jew-hatred taught to him in his quranic classes while growing up Muslim in Indonesia, the largest Muslim country in the world. His call to return to the '67 borders, a return to Auschwitz borders, is a call to jihad. It will incite and inflame the Muslim street.

Obama's foreign policy mimics that of the suicide bomber.

The idea that Israel (surrounded by numerous enormous Muslim lands) must take the gas pipe, be reduced to tiny size by this tiny man, while the Muslims have given nothing, negotiated nothing, but instead, waged war and consolidated power between Fatah and Hamas (whose charter calls for the annihilation of Israel) is Obama's final solution.

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Re: Obama Demands Israel Return to 1967 Borders
« Reply #24 on: May 20, 2011, 02:51:57 PM »
Just watched a stream of part of the presser between Netanyahu and Obama.  You wanna talk about a smackdown?



Look at Obama's body language.  Totally closed off.  Totally not listening to what Bibi is saying.
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