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Re: Should same-sex marriage be legal?
« Reply #325 on: March 31, 2011, 12:16:49 PM »
What do you call a gay married (in places that allow it) couple with adopted kids?

Unnatural?  A psychiatric train wreck waiting to happen?  Counseling and therapy waiting to happen?
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Re: Should same-sex marriage be legal?
« Reply #326 on: March 31, 2011, 12:32:50 PM »
What do you call a gay married (in places that allow it) couple with adopted kids?

A child without a mother and father.
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Re: Should same-sex marriage be legal?
« Reply #327 on: March 31, 2011, 01:23:58 PM »
Unnatural?

One might consider adoption, in general, to be "unnatural".

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A psychiatric train wreck waiting to happen?  Counseling and therapy waiting to happen?

As opposed to... a life in foster care?    What data there is on LGBT adoption, suggests there really isnt any higher incidence of psychological problems in kids in gay families, versus kids in straight ones.  

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Re: Should same-sex marriage be legal?
« Reply #328 on: March 31, 2011, 01:50:23 PM »
As opposed to... a life in foster care?

Fake argument.

There are more than enough hetero couples waiting to adopt.
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Re: Should same-sex marriage be legal?
« Reply #329 on: March 31, 2011, 01:51:42 PM »
Fake argument.

There are more than enough hetero couples waiting to adopt.

No, not really... there are enough hetero couples waiting to adopt white kids with no special needs... but not so much in the other categories.

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Re: Should same-sex marriage be legal?
« Reply #330 on: March 31, 2011, 01:58:55 PM »
One might consider adoption, in general, to be "unnatural".

You probably would. In general.

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As opposed to... a life in foster care?    What data there is on LGBT adoption, suggests there really isnt any higher incidence of psychological problems in kids in gay families, versus kids in straight ones.  

Care to post a link to your unbiased, completely-devoid-of-LGBT-agenda data and spin?

I'd suggest that the jury is still out on that whole business in that gays haven't been permitted to adopt for all that long (depending on the state, of course).

For example, Missouri's statute on adoption neither bars nor permits LGBT from adoption and the statute has not been challenged in court - yet. Furthermore, that law dates from 2004, which isn't nearly enough time to properly assess whether kids are impacted by gay "parents".

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But, it doesn't really matter what the data say. You just want to argue because you like to argue.

What do you do with yourself when you're not arguing with someone? Argue with yourself?

Did you ever convince yourself that you're wrong?
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Re: Should same-sex marriage be legal?
« Reply #331 on: March 31, 2011, 02:16:23 PM »
No, not really... there are enough hetero couples waiting to adopt white kids with no special needs... but not so much in the other categories.

Impossible.

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Re: Should same-sex marriage be legal?
« Reply #332 on: March 31, 2011, 08:11:19 PM »
What do you call a gay married (in places that allow it) couple with adopted kids?

 :censored: Those kids have 2 males, 2 females having unnatural sex in the next room. They are being taught that this sham is normal. It isn't. That's not a family.


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Re: Should same-sex marriage be legal?
« Reply #333 on: March 31, 2011, 08:17:11 PM »
 :censored: Those kids have 2 males, 2 females having unnatural sex in the next room. They are being taught that this sham is normal. It isn't. That's not a family.
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Re: Should same-sex marriage be legal?
« Reply #334 on: March 31, 2011, 09:25:03 PM »
Except gays don't have families. It takes a mother and a father to have a family.

Those of us raised in single parent families would disagree with the last part there.

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Re: Should same-sex marriage be legal?
« Reply #335 on: March 31, 2011, 09:30:19 PM »
Those of us raised in single parent families would disagree with the last part there.

Surely you understand what he meant by "a mother and a father", meaning a straight heterosexual couple.

That's what he meant. You know that, right? He didn't mean a single straight parent was wrong.

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Re: Should same-sex marriage be legal?
« Reply #336 on: March 31, 2011, 09:39:29 PM »
Surely you understand what he meant by "a mother and a father", meaning a straight heterosexual couple.

That's what he meant. You know that, right? He didn't mean a single straight parent was wrong.

I don't know that for sure as it wasn't explicitly stated. I sure hope that assumption is correct.

While there was indeed a straight mother and father required to create me - the "family" never included the father - and he'd best pray I never find out who he is either.

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Re: Should same-sex marriage be legal?
« Reply #337 on: April 01, 2011, 08:01:23 AM »
 :censored: Those kids have 2 males, 2 females having unnatural sex in the next room. They are being taught that this sham is normal. It isn't. That's not a family.

"Unnatural".... "abnormal"....

Weasel words....

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Re: Should same-sex marriage be legal?
« Reply #338 on: April 01, 2011, 08:35:47 AM »
No, not really... there are enough hetero couples waiting to adopt white kids with no special needs... but not so much in the other categories.

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Re: Should same-sex marriage be legal?
« Reply #339 on: April 01, 2011, 08:50:05 AM »
One might consider adoption, in general, to be "unnatural".

Only if they're an agenda pushing leftist.

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As opposed to... a life in foster care?

More are adopted by traditional and stable homes than not, wilbur.  Not every foster care child is a base reference for Lifetime or CSI.

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What data there is on LGBT adoption, suggests there really isnt any higher incidence of psychological problems in kids in gay families, versus kids in straight ones.  

I'm sure you'll be able to produce that data from a non-homosexual, unbiased source.
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Re: Should same-sex marriage be legal?
« Reply #340 on: April 01, 2011, 08:51:51 AM »
Those of us raised in single parent families would disagree with the last part there.


Then again, there are those of us who were that will tell you how much was missing during those years and how much better it is with both a loving mother and father.
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Re: Should same-sex marriage be legal?
« Reply #341 on: April 01, 2011, 08:53:06 AM »
"Unnatural".... "abnormal"....

Weasel words....

Big claim from someone who has yet to really back up his bullshit.
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Re: Should same-sex marriage be legal?
« Reply #342 on: April 01, 2011, 08:55:18 AM »
"Unnatural".... "abnormal"....

Weasel words....

 :rotf: :lmao:

wilbur, you're an absolute expert with weasel words! I've rarely seen anybody come close to your skill set!  :rotf:
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Re: Should same-sex marriage be legal?
« Reply #343 on: April 01, 2011, 09:19:35 AM »
"Unnatural".... "abnormal"....

Weasel words....

According to liberals homophobia is the only thing that is unnatural and abnormal.
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Re: Should same-sex marriage be legal?
« Reply #344 on: April 01, 2011, 09:36:51 AM »
According to liberals homophobia is the only thing that is unnatural and abnormal.

Neither of those words mean anything morally significant, as we have been over ad nauseum.    I don't claim to know what all liberals, do, but I don't use those words...

I say homophobia is destructive and bad for human well-being all around.  

The more ironic (or possibly sad) part is, that generally those who score higher on the homophobia scale, tend to have "man reactions" in response to homosexual erotica/porn at a far higher rate than do non-homophobic males.   Interesting, yes?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latent_homosexuality

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The researchers reported that 24% of the non-homophobic men showed some degree of tumescence [ie, erection] in response to the male homosexual video, compared to 54% of the subjects who scored high on the homophobia scale.

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Re: Should same-sex marriage be legal?
« Reply #345 on: April 01, 2011, 09:43:14 AM »
Neither of those words mean anything morally significant, as we have been over ad nauseum.    I don't claim to know what all liberals, do, but I don't use those words...

Neither do you, so what's your point?

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I say homophobia is destructive and bad for human well-being all around.
 

How? We made it this far.

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The more ironic (or possibly sad) part is, that generally those who score higher on the homophobia scale, tend to have "man reactions" in response to homosexual erotica/porn at a far higher rate than do non-homophobic males.   Interesting, yes?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latent_homosexuality

And so the homosexual community would profit politically if more people dumped homophobia and accepted their erotic feelings.

So then that means society must be reconditioned to no longer scorn homosexual behavior but find it normal and from normal it becomes acceptable.

In other words, you just validated my entire argument throughout this entire thread.
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Re: Should same-sex marriage be legal?
« Reply #346 on: April 01, 2011, 10:00:55 AM »
How? We made it this far.

Mistreating or marginalizing homosexuals is, while not exactly the same, very similar to racism, or sexism.  There is no reason, which is not arbitrary or based in prejudice, with which one can justifiably marginalize them the way we do by, including but not limited to, restricting them from partaking in the institution of marriage - with a partner of their choosing.   And when we institutionally exclude, marginalize, or disenfranchise people for arbitrary and prejudiced reasons, its bad for everybody.  

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And so the homosexual community would profit politically if more people dumped homophobia and accepted their erotic feelings.

And the heterosexual community might benefit from having a few less homosexuals posing as straights...   sounds good to me.  

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So then that means society must be reconditioned to no longer scorn homosexual behavior but find it normal and from normal it becomes acceptable.

"Normal" again - is morally irrelevant, and does speak to whether something should be "acceptable" or unacceptable.   I don't care if we call homosexuality normal or not - being 7 feet tall is not normal - but its perfectly acceptable.

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In other words, you just validated my entire argument throughout this entire thread.

If your argument thus far has been to jump up and say, "Ahhh-ha!  The jig is up! See? The homosexuals want to make it acceptable to be homosexual <gasp>!"... well, I don't know what to say.

Yes, I fully agree that society needs to be reconditioned to find homosexuality acceptable... but for the benefit of everyone, not just homosexuals.   I don't know why you think that is some sinister scheme which those on my side of the debate must keep hidden and secret, or why to bring this point to light somehow illuminates the movements diabolical, evil intentions... its the whole freakin obvious point.  
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Re: Should same-sex marriage be legal?
« Reply #347 on: April 01, 2011, 10:17:38 AM »
Mistreating or marginalizing homosexuals is, while not exactly the same, very similar to racism.  There is no reason, which is not arbitrary or based in prejudice, with which one can justifiably marginalize them the way we do, including but not limited to, restricting them from partaking in the institution of marriage - with a partner of their choosing.   And when we institutionally exclude, marginalize, or disenfranchise people for arbitrary and prejudiced reasons, its bad for everybody.  

And the heterosexual community might benefit from having a few less homosexuals posing as straights...   sounds good to me.  

"Normal" again - is morally irrelevant, and does speak to whether something should be "acceptable" or unacceptable.   I don't care if we call homosexuality normal or not - being 7 feet tall is not normal - but its perfectly acceptable.

Evolution arbitrarily marginalizes, disenfranchises, discriminates and exterminates.

In fact, that is ALL evolution really is.

And there is zero morality behind it.

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If your argument thus far has been to jump up and say, "Ahhh-ha!  The jig is up! See? The homosexuals want to make it acceptable to be homosexual <gasp>!"... well, I don't know what to say.

Yes, I fully agree that society needs to be reconditioned to find homosexuality acceptable... but for the benefit of everyone, not just homosexuals.   I don't know why you think that is some sinister scheme which those on my side of the debate try to keep hidden and secret... its the whole freakin obvious point.  

Yes, because every other liberal theory on sexual mores has proven such a success.

Remind us again why there are so many non-white children lingering for adoption you need fags to pick up the slack.

Oh, that's right. You made sex about personal fulfillment and freedom so now cities in liberal enclaves are destroyed leading to an epidemic of abortion, disease, divorce, single-parent households, absentee fathers, teen pregnancy etc etc etc.

That's quite a record you've got to run on.

Now, somehow, you want us to believe that based on a worldview that espouses a moral vacuum and mass extinctions that propagandizing a behavior that does not reproduce will be "good" as if such things as "good" really exist and this somehow fills the bill even though that bill is nothing more than your subjective preference with no empirical evidence as a foundation.
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Re: Should same-sex marriage be legal?
« Reply #348 on: April 01, 2011, 10:23:38 AM »
"Unnatural".... "abnormal"....

Weasel words....

Bullshit, Willllllllllburrrrrrrrrrrrrr The only "weasel" around here is you!!
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Re: Should same-sex marriage be legal?
« Reply #349 on: April 01, 2011, 10:24:22 AM »
Oh my!
Now I'm sorry I revisited this thread.
I'm not! This is fascinating as all hell! :-)
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