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Re: Should same-sex marriage be legal?
« Reply #150 on: March 27, 2011, 08:48:54 AM »
Speaking of the word tranny.

When I was younger that was merely an abbreviation for the word transmission.

ex.  I need to change the tranny fluid in my car.  I rebuilt the tranny in that Ford last month.  etc.

But now it is considered offensive by some.
Go figure.
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Re: Should same-sex marriage be legal?
« Reply #151 on: March 27, 2011, 09:07:36 AM »
MP_Sarge it would be a fantasy come true to wake up as a male with all the fixings and say about 25 years old with my past life memory's as a woman intact.

What fun, I would run right out and pee my initials in the snow, Wave that Willey about and experiment with it every which way to Sunday. Problems I would encounter is learning how to man fart, questions about should I shave my beard and checking out my hair line, am I going Bald?   How to dress this new toy, right or left side.

I assume that with my past memory's intact I would be a gay male, Mother would be very happy she allways wanted a boy child.

But then this fantasy comes down to earth when I see pictures of Chere's daughter Chez now that she is a he. For the life of me I cannot understand how the transformation has done Chez any good, he is grotesque.   

Why do woman think that they need to change their sex when today both sexes can work in and do the same thing the other sex is doing.???

The body is just the Vessel to carry about our brain,  one can live as any sex they want without turning the tables on biology, You of all people should know that when you breed two dogs together the result is Puppy's, not Sheep.

Has anyone thought that if one is insecure in their sex it may be the product of less hormones of their designated birth sex.    Why not try extra hormones of estrogen for woman that may have the totestone higher then normal, heck woman at menopause get estrogen so the totestone jump due to lack of estrogen causes the growth of facial hair, disapearing boobs or in men getting man boobs.

Ads on tv tell of "Low T" and a pill that boosts it up.   So perhaps down the line people will not need radical surgery to change their looks, just a pill to inhance their looks.

Oh yes, a question, why do so many Gay men lisp ?????    What does sexual prefference make Brney Frank or Thruman Capote talk like that.????

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Re: Should same-sex marriage be legal?
« Reply #152 on: March 27, 2011, 09:49:03 AM »
MP_Sarge it would be a fantasy come true to wake up as a male with all the fixings and say about 25 years old with my past life memory's as a woman intact.

What fun, I would run right out and pee my initials in the snow, Wave that Willey about and experiment with it every which way to Sunday. Problems I would encounter is learning how to man fart, questions about should I shave my beard and checking out my hair line, am I going Bald?   How to dress this new toy, right or left side.

I assume that with my past memory's intact I would be a gay male, Mother would be very happy she allways wanted a boy child.

But then this fantasy comes down to earth when I see pictures of Chere's daughter Chez now that she is a he. For the life of me I cannot understand how the transformation has done Chez any good, he is grotesque.   

Why do woman think that they need to change their sex when today both sexes can work in and do the same thing the other sex is doing.???

The body is just the Vessel to carry about our brain,  one can live as any sex they want without turning the tables on biology, You of all people should know that when you breed two dogs together the result is Puppy's, not Sheep.

Has anyone thought that if one is insecure in their sex it may be the product of less hormones of their designated birth sex.    Why not try extra hormones of estrogen for woman that may have the totestone higher then normal, heck woman at menopause get estrogen so the totestone jump due to lack of estrogen causes the growth of facial hair, disapearing boobs or in men getting man boobs.

Ads on tv tell of "Low T" and a pill that boosts it up.   So perhaps down the line people will not need radical surgery to change their looks, just a pill to inhance their looks.

Oh yes, a question, why do so many Gay men lisp ?????    What does sexual prefference make Brney Frank or Thruman Capote talk like that.????
It's PUPPIES and MEMORIES !!!!!

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Re: Should same-sex marriage be legal?
« Reply #153 on: March 27, 2011, 10:38:36 AM »
MP_Sarge it would be a fantasy come true to wake up as a male with all the fixings and say about 25 years old with my past life memory's as a woman intact.

What fun, I would run right out and pee my initials in the snow, Wave that Willey about and experiment with it every which way to Sunday. Problems I would encounter is learning how to man fart, questions about should I shave my beard and checking out my hair line, am I going Bald?   How to dress this new toy, right or left side.

I assume that with my past memory's intact I would be a gay male, Mother would be very happy she allways wanted a boy child.

But then this fantasy comes down to earth when I see pictures of Chere's daughter Chez now that she is a he. For the life of me I cannot understand how the transformation has done Chez any good, he is grotesque.   

Why do woman think that they need to change their sex when today both sexes can work in and do the same thing the other sex is doing.???

The body is just the Vessel to carry about our brain,  one can live as any sex they want without turning the tables on biology, You of all people should know that when you breed two dogs together the result is Puppy's, not Sheep.

Has anyone thought that if one is insecure in their sex it may be the product of less hormones of their designated birth sex.    Why not try extra hormones of estrogen for woman that may have the totestone higher then normal, heck woman at menopause get estrogen so the totestone jump due to lack of estrogen causes the growth of facial hair, disapearing boobs or in men getting man boobs.

Ads on tv tell of "Low T" and a pill that boosts it up.   So perhaps down the line people will not need radical surgery to change their looks, just a pill to inhance their looks.

Oh yes, a question, why do so many Gay men lisp ?????    What does sexual prefference make Brney Frank or Thruman Capote talk like that.????

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Re: Should same-sex marriage be legal?
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Re: Should same-sex marriage be legal?
« Reply #156 on: March 27, 2011, 10:48:08 AM »
I feel the same way only I am not in Canada.  If homosexuals want to get married, I.DO.NOT.GIVE.A.RAT'S.ASS.

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Re: Should same-sex marriage be legal?
« Reply #157 on: March 27, 2011, 12:21:44 PM »
I don't care why the Admins have decided to ban/filter the N word.  It's their board, they can make any rules they want to.

Perhaps they are worried about offending some people, but not others.  I don't know, nor do I care.

Speaking as an Admin of this board to all of you, rich_t is absolutely correct in that we make the rules and signing up to post here means that you agree to them.

It is IMPOSSIBLE to account for every perceived insult or slight and we would drive ourselves insane trying to do so. Our Admin Team and Mod Staff use their judgment to decide what is and isn't a violation of TOS and we deal with each situation as it presents itself. Our goal is to provide a discussion board that is mostly about politics and a little about everything else in the world. We state in the Board Rules that we have a Conservative editorial bias and it should come as no surprise to anyone that some topics are more explosive than others.

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Re: Should same-sex marriage be legal?
« Reply #158 on: March 27, 2011, 05:29:15 PM »
MP Sarge,

Please accept this advice. God is drawing you to Him.

You can find peace in Him. True peace.

You're right.
He most certainly did speak to me, in the form of Rabbi Elliot Kukla.

I am as G-D made me.
It is you, not I, that refuses to accept the truth of what He made.
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Re: Should same-sex marriage be legal?
« Reply #159 on: March 27, 2011, 06:02:18 PM »
Then you're rejecting proven science.

The thing is that you're rejecting God and how He placed you here on Earth. As Jesus said (and Jesus was at least a prophet/ teacher, at a minimum) (paraphrased)  Be hot or cold. If you're in the middle of the road, I will spew you out of my mouth.

Quite the opposite, actually.
The existence of known intersex disorders is scientific proof that nothing is as simple as penis = boy and vagina = girl.

What gender do you propose intersex persons to be?

Further, the brain is sexually dimorphic- that is, we have structures in the brain that are associated with male or female.

Guess what scientists find when they scan the brain of a transsexual person.
Sexually dimorphic structures that are identical NOT to their birth biology, but to the gender they wish to transition to.

In other words, their body may be perfectly male or female (to include an absence of chromosomal abnormality), but somehow, their brains are the exact OPPOSITE of their bodies.

If you can accept that G-d allows children to be born with both a penis and a uterus, why are you unable to allow the possibilty (even when it is supported by medical evidence) that G-d could also allow a child to be born with a male brain and a female body?
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Re: Should same-sex marriage be legal?
« Reply #160 on: March 27, 2011, 06:31:26 PM »
So, basically you're saying that we're (humans) no better than some mutated animal, on the whole. An aberration. Oh, just FYI, I don't believe fully in psychiatry or psychology. At best, they're a pseudo-science.
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Re: Should same-sex marriage be legal?
« Reply #161 on: March 27, 2011, 06:48:07 PM »
No, I'm saying that our biology is not always as simple as you're making it out to be.

If a person is born with a penis an XX chromosomes, are they male, or female?

We know, for a fact, that this occurs.  People can, and are, born with the biology I just described.

Why is it such a leap to think someone can be born with a male brain, and a female body.

This isn't psychology or psychiatry.  It's biology.
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Re: Should same-sex marriage be legal?
« Reply #162 on: March 27, 2011, 06:57:36 PM »
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Why is it such a leap to think someone can be born with a male brain, and a female body.

True, brain scans do show a difference in male and female brains, but I wonder if anyone has done a comparison to see if that shows up in someone claiming to have gender identity disorder.

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« Reply #163 on: March 27, 2011, 07:05:08 PM »
They have.

That's what I've been saying.

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/85/5/2034?ref=hanzuo.com

And yes, people who have a gender identity that is the opposite of their biological sex are found, in brain scans, so have sexually dimorphic features that correlate to their gender identity and are opposite their biological sex.

In other words, they literally have male brains in female bodies (and vice versa).
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Re: Should same-sex marriage be legal?
« Reply #164 on: March 27, 2011, 07:09:05 PM »
Well, if one BELIEVES in God, then they would follow the premise established in Genesis.
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Genesis 1:27: So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.

I see no mention of he-shes, its or any other aberration of man or woman.

Under that premise, you are either 1.) a hypocrite, if you follow any established religion or 2.) a non-believer.
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Re: Should same-sex marriage be legal?
« Reply #165 on: March 27, 2011, 07:17:38 PM »
Well, if one BELIEVES in God, then they would follow the premise established in Genesis.
I see no mention of he-shes, its or any other aberration of man or woman.

Under that premise, you are either 1.) a hypocrite, if you follow any established religion or 2.) a non-believer.

What Genesis say about genuine hermaphrodites?

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« Reply #166 on: March 27, 2011, 07:21:26 PM »
Well, if one BELIEVES in God, then they would follow the premise established in Genesis.
I see no mention of he-shes, its or any other aberration of man or woman.

Under that premise, you are either 1.) a hypocrite, if you follow any established religion or 2.) a non-believer.

So then, you deny the existence of intersex disorders completely.

And no, the Jewish belief is that G-d created one being, both male and female, essentially a hermaphrodite, which he divided to create the Adam and Eve. It's a central tenant of Jewish faith.

http://www.jewishanswers.org/ask-the-rabbi-category/jewish-texts/the-chumash-five-books-of-moses/adam-and-eve-story/?p=2537

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When Gd created Adam, it was originally a hermaphrodite, a being that was both male and female, and then Gd saw fit to split that original being into two, Adam and Eve, each one of them possessing half of that original soul.




That belief is what Jews base the sanctity of heterosexual marriage upon- reuniting that which was divided in creation.http://www.jewishmarriageinstitute.com/2009/04/hello-world/
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« Reply #167 on: March 27, 2011, 07:37:08 PM »
What Genesis say about genuine hermaphrodites?

That the first human G-d created was one.
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Re: Should same-sex marriage be legal?
« Reply #168 on: March 27, 2011, 07:42:06 PM »
FURTHERMORE, Jewish Rabbinic literature discusses SIX different sexes or genders:
Zakhar [male]
Nekevah [female]
Tumtum [sometimes male and sometimes female]
Androgynos [neither male nor female]
Saris [born male, but later develops into female]
Aylonit [born female, but later develops into male]

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Re: Should same-sex marriage be legal?
« Reply #169 on: March 27, 2011, 07:56:11 PM »
Must have some more Harmony Central Political Forum sappers here.

Let's see, gay marriage? Check.
Next, you'll have whine-athons about Christianity and how awful it is for gays.

My opinion - as a states' rights conservative:

1. The legal definition of 'marriage'is solely within the jurisdiction of sovereign states.
2. The Federal Government has no constitutional authority to define marriage for all fifty states.

If Vermont wants gay marriage, fine. If Louisiana doesn't want it - fine.
The tricky question would be if Louisiana can deny full faith and credit to
Vermont marriages?

A states' rights view says the other states can deny Vermont marriages legal validity within their own jurisdiction.

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Re: Should same-sex marriage be legal?
« Reply #170 on: March 27, 2011, 08:12:32 PM »
I'm confused, I personally wouldn't use the word "tranny" I would refer to them as transexuals or transgender, you said that "tranny" can be seen as offensive, but then you turn around and say you don't find the words that are commonly used purposely to be offensive towards gay people such as the words I quoted above, and you have no problem using them at all?

What's confusing about that?
The words are intended to be offensive, and many people DO find them offensive.  I happen not to.
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« Reply #171 on: March 27, 2011, 08:13:26 PM »
I don't know how you can be considered a "hermaphrodite" if you were born with XX chromosomes. There are different syndromes that can cause people to be "hermaphrodites" but they have chromosomes such as XXY etc.

I never said I was.
Also, the term you are looking for is intersex, not hermaphrodite.
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« Reply #172 on: March 27, 2011, 08:17:48 PM »
MP_Sarge it would be a fantasy come true to wake up as a male with all the fixings and say about 25 years old with my past life memory's as a woman intact.

What fun, I would run right out and pee my initials in the snow, Wave that Willey about and experiment with it every which way to Sunday. Problems I would encounter is learning how to man fart, questions about should I shave my beard and checking out my hair line, am I going Bald?   How to dress this new toy, right or left side.

I assume that with my past memory's intact I would be a gay male, Mother would be very happy she allways wanted a boy child.

But then this fantasy comes down to earth when I see pictures of Chere's daughter Chez now that she is a he. For the life of me I cannot understand how the transformation has done Chez any good, he is grotesque.    

Why do woman think that they need to change their sex when today both sexes can work in and do the same thing the other sex is doing.???

The body is just the Vessel to carry about our brain,  one can live as any sex they want without turning the tables on biology, You of all people should know that when you breed two dogs together the result is Puppy's, not Sheep.

Has anyone thought that if one is insecure in their sex it may be the product of less hormones of their designated birth sex.    Why not try extra hormones of estrogen for woman that may have the totestone higher then normal, heck woman at menopause get estrogen so the totestone jump due to lack of estrogen causes the growth of facial hair, disapearing boobs or in men getting man boobs.

Ads on tv tell of "Low T" and a pill that boosts it up.   So perhaps down the line people will not need radical surgery to change their looks, just a pill to inhance their looks.

Oh yes, a question, why do so many Gay men lisp ?????    What does sexual prefference make Brney Frank or Thruman Capote talk like that.????

I agree, Chaz Bono is unattractive.
He was just as unattractive as Chastity Bono.

Prior to commencing hormone therapy, I had tons of blood-work done, to include a full hormone panel, as does ANYONE receiving hormone therapy legally in the United States by a doctor adhering to the Standards of Care.

I did not suffer from low estrogen.  The research that has been conducted comparing people with professed transsexualism has shown that they do not suffer from hormone deficiencies.  They also show evidence that their brain is, as you put it, in vessel that doesn't match up.

I haven't, nor will I, have surgery.
I take testosterone injections.  That's it.  

I also pay for all of that [doctors visits, medication, blood work, etc] out of pocket, so no, I'm not forcing the taxpayer to foot the bill, in case anyone was thinking otherwise.

I didn't change my body to appropriate male privilege.
I changed my body because it didn't match my brain [again, see links re: scientific proof of a biological mismatch between brain and body in transsexual people], and currently medical science has no way of changing neurology.  You cannot change the intricate wiring of the brain.  But I can take testosterone which, if you take a look at pictures I posted on another thread, makes transmen indistinguishable from any other man, in any setting outside of full undress.
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Re: Should same-sex marriage be legal?
« Reply #173 on: March 27, 2011, 08:23:52 PM »
What's confusing about that?
The words are intended to be offensive, and many people DO find them offensive.  I happen not to.

But you made a point of citing this:

Ofer...

I suppose "trannies" (not that it's against the rules here, but FYI, that word is deeply offensive and considered hate language by the trans community, Eupher.  Anyway...)

you pointed out that the word "trannie" can be considered offensive yet you said in another post that you have no problem referring to homosexual's using words they'd deem offensive. Why is it that you made a point of citing 1 word as offensive yet have no problem using words that others might find offensive? Either certain words are offensive or they're not. It's hypocrisy for the black community to take offense to the N word yet turn around and use that word themselves. Unless I read it wrong, you took umbrage at the word "trannie" yet have no problem using words that homosexuals would find offensive.

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« Reply #174 on: March 27, 2011, 08:27:53 PM »
But you made a point of citing this:

you pointed out that the word "trannie" can be considered offensive yet you said in another post that you have no problem referring to homosexual's using words they'd deem offensive. Why is it that you made a point of citing 1 word as offensive yet have no problem using words that others might find offensive? Either certain words are offensive or they're not. It's hypocrisy for the black community to take offense to the N word yet turn around and use that word themselves. Unless I read it wrong, you took umbrage at the word "trannie" yet have no problem using words that homosexuals would find offensive.



My motivation was outlined at length in other posts on this thread.
Also included was the fact that I don't personally find the word "tranny" offensive.
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