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We've got to stop the myth of "the rich are the ones that
« on: February 26, 2011, 04:34:45 PM »
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We've got to stop the myth of "the rich are the ones that
   
create jobs" It's not true, they profit more from cutting jobs, acquiring other small businesses and shutting them down. It's the middle class that creates jobs. They are the ones that create small businesses. That's why there are no jobs, the middle class can't get loans and besides that, there are no customers - no demand -because the ones who would make the demand can't get loans either.


Every time someone says to me that it's the rich that creates jobs I'm going to say, " No they don't...the middle-class does."

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Yeah it's not like rich people invest in companies that hire people, or buy products and services that give people jobs. It's the poor people who have their money stolen who make the world go round.  :whatever:

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1. Spending creates jobs.
   
When I buy a car, I am actually hiring someone to assemble it for me, someone to design it for me and managers and bookkeepers to to handle the transaction, manage the work and aggregate customers to enable efficient production.

Businesses are only intermediaries. It all comes down to labor. The income derived from my labor is spent commissioning the labor of others.

Businesses don't create shit.

And just who provides the materials and the facilities to assemble that car?
That's right a business. You know the things that don't create shit.
I bet this moron thinks that govt creates things.

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8. In talking with poor people about this, I find that they already KNOW this.
   
What they don't know, and what middleclass people DON't KNOW, is the corollary..... that assistance to poor people brings money to the LOCAL economy!

For instance, for every Federal dollar spent on Food Stamps, $1.84 is returned to the local economy. I said this to a poor couple this morning, and they were stunned. They have never heard this... and now see things quite a bit differently.

I also told them that for every Federal dollar spent on Unemployment benefits, it is quite the same... about $1.75 is returned to the local economy.

Same with low-income housing... MILLIONS come into the local economy because of low-income housing subsidies, PLUS many jobs are created.

THIS is the information that needs to get out!

And just where does that money for assistance come from?
That's right Bobo it comes from the evil rich, who have shelled out more than enough and you won't cross the street to get a job.

You know DUmmies you can only tax the rich until they no longer have any money. When they are poor as you are just where do you think the govt will get more money to hand to you on a silver platter?

The DUmmies act like there is no govt assistance when in fact we have many programs. The problem is, if you get assistance you may have to forgo buying weed and actually buy groceries and pay your damn rent.


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Re: We've got to stop the myth of "the rich are the ones that
« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2011, 04:54:43 PM »
I hate to say it but the DUche has a blind squirrel moment here. The rich do not directly create jobs and their main goal is to preserve wealth. That is why the donk party is the party of the rich and the republicans are the party of producers.

Producers or small business owners are where the jobs are created. These people do not have wealth but they have income that the government takes by force.

Two different things, rich and income producers. The tax system favors the rich and hurts the income producers that are working to become rich.

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When you are the beneficiary of a policy that steals from someone and gives it to you in return for your vote, it produces a sense of entitlement and dependency.

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Re: We've got to stop the myth of "the rich are the ones that
« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2011, 05:48:28 PM »
One dollar creates $1.84? Must be that "new" math.
Plus, I've come to the conclusion that DUmmies do not even know the definition of "business".
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Re: We've got to stop the myth of "the rich are the ones that
« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2011, 05:51:09 PM »
I'm beginning to see the wisdom in soylent green. If you could process these people into tasty snack foods, they would serve a better purpose than they do now.

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Re: We've got to stop the myth of "the rich are the ones that
« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2011, 05:52:55 PM »
One dollar creates $1.84? Must be that "new" math.
Plus, I've come to the conclusion that DUmmies do not even know the definition of "business".

I wish the dollars I earned were worth $1.84. Then again my dollars don't come from confiscated money from tax payers.

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Re: We've got to stop the myth of "the rich are the ones that
« Reply #5 on: February 27, 2011, 07:22:14 AM »
I hate to say it but the DUche has a blind squirrel moment here. The rich do not directly create jobs and their main goal is to preserve wealth. That is why the donk party is the party of the rich and the republicans are the party of producers.

Producers or small business owners are where the jobs are created. These people do not have wealth but they have income that the government takes by force.

Two different things, rich and income producers. The tax system favors the rich and hurts the income producers that are working to become rich.


You've got to remember, though, to the DUmmies someone that makes $150,000 a year is rich and needs to hand most of that to Uncle Sam to support the poor and public employees.  They can get by just fine on the $40,000 the DUmmies will let them keep.  (BTW, have you noticed the increase in articles in British papers that decry the fact that non-working families with several kids make so much money that working families have been forced to limit children to 1 in many cases so they can afford their taxes?)  :rotf: :rotf:
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Re: We've got to stop the myth of "the rich are the ones that
« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2011, 07:31:49 AM »
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1. Spending creates jobs.
   
When I buy a car, I am actually hiring someone to assemble it for me, someone to design it for me and managers and bookkeepers to to handle the transaction, manage the work and aggregate customers to enable efficient production.

Businesses are only intermediaries. It all comes down to labor. The income derived from my labor is spent commissioning the labor of others.

Businesses don't create shit.

DUmmie lumberjackoff_jeff hasn't been on too many farms in his lifetime. 

Cows produce a LOT of SHIT!

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Re: We've got to stop the myth of "the rich are the ones that
« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2011, 07:41:44 AM »
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Walmart employs more than 2.1 million associates worldwide, including more than 1.4 million in the United States. Walmart is not only one of the largest private employers in the U.S., but the largest in Mexico and one of the largest in Canada as well.

http://walmartstores.com/pressroom/factsheets/

Of course everyone knows the owners of Walmart are middle class America. 

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Re: We've got to stop the myth of "the rich are the ones that
« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2011, 07:46:32 AM »
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For instance, for every Federal dollar spent on Food Stamps, $1.84 is returned to the local economy. I said this to a poor couple this morning, and they were stunned. They have never heard this... and now see things quite a bit differently.

I also told them that for every Federal dollar spent on Unemployment benefits, it is quite the same... about $1.75 is returned to the local economy.

So if the Govt. would just put everyone on unemployment and give them food stamps we could get the economy booming in no time?

Where do they get this from?

25 years ago we had Ronald Reagan, Johnny Cash and Bob Hope.  Now we have Obama, no hope and no cash.

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Re: We've got to stop the myth of "the rich are the ones that
« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2011, 07:51:33 AM »
So if the Govt. would just put everyone on unemployment and give them food stamps we could get the economy booming in no time?

Where do they get this from?


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Re: We've got to stop the myth of "the rich are the ones that
« Reply #10 on: February 27, 2011, 07:51:51 AM »
I'm beginning to see the wisdom in soylent green. If you could process these people into tasty snack foods, they would serve a better purpose than they do now.

Only if we distribute said snack food to enemies of the USA - the THC and other drugs contained within would have an addictive quality, while the rest of the snack would effectively lower the IQ of those who consume it. I also think we should give the product a catchy name -- something like 'Cheetos' --  :popcorn:

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Re: We've got to stop the myth of "the rich are the ones that
« Reply #11 on: February 27, 2011, 10:09:14 AM »
You've got to remember, though, to the DUmmies someone that makes $150,000 a year is rich and needs to hand most of that to Uncle Sam to support the poor and public employees.  They can get by just fine on the $40,000 the DUmmies will let them keep.  (BTW, have you noticed the increase in articles in British papers that decry the fact that non-working families with several kids make so much money that working families have been forced to limit children to 1 in many cases so they can afford their taxes?)  :rotf: :rotf:

My dear, any family of 2-3 that brings in $150,000 is indeed rich ---TO ME.      

So how do they make that money, they freaking WORK for it, save their money and watch their Penny's so the dollars will keep coming in.

They work to keep their standard of living intact, not just for today but tomorrow.    

So who cannot live on less then $12,000 a month????   I have been doing the math and I find that if one person cannot work that brings the income down to $6,000 a month or $72. 000 a year.  or ,1.500 a week.-----This is not RICH LIFESTYLE.  

Big loss if one has a $3,000 a month mortgage, costs of car payments, perhaps a monthly payment on a boat and credit cards.

All is relative, some who make $ 40.000 a year and live a Spartan life style, no cruses or brand new Autos, can live a better and fuller life then those that make twice or three times their salary.

Common sense  here , it really amazes me the Asians that can hardly speak English, work 3 jobs and move in 4 relatives to help with the bills are in fact living the American dream.  They can soon afford to buy homes, and raise their children among family that will help them learn 2-3 different languages.   They wait for sales for clothing seldom pay full price for anything.   Their food bills are by their diet around $300 a month  for a family of 5-6,  beans, rice ,some greens and fish and hot peppers.

Lousy life most think, but the males take the kids fishing every chance they get and will eat the river crabs that we just throw over board.  

No lavish trips, the kids are taken on hiking trails and museums, Art gallery's all learning experiences for the whole family.

So I ask how these Asians can afford to fly home to visit family in Asia every 5 years.  Simple they put priority's in front of instant pleasure.

Cost to fly to Indonesia and back ---all told when all expenses paid for a 2-4 week visit about $10,000 for just 2 people never mind a family of 5-6.

We Americans are still in the child mode, we expect someone else a parent or the Government to bail us out of any mistakes we make.   We screw up big time and then beg our Father in heaven to come to our rescue.  

We must take charge pf our priority's in this country, can we survive without a $300.000 house, can we actually drive a auto that costs $15,000  Do we really need to spend $200.00 a week on a fine dining experience.  Can we live wearing off brand clothing and $50.00 shoes??

Kids want, want, and need high tech. devices that cost the earth.   So, why not let them work to buy this for themselves??

MY dad not one to mince words once told me when I asked for something expensive can want in one hand and Shit in the other.  

I learned that Sympathy was to be found in the dictionary,  between Shit and Syphilis,what ever the Hell that was.

We do not become poor unless we make very bad decisions in life.    So how is this the fault of family's hanging on by a shoe string that have done anything right ????

If money grows on trees and we have 3 acres of money trees, we have hire people to pick the money like apples off the trees. Then we have to get insurance for any accidents, pay to have the money transported to where ever.  It does not matter the value of the money on the trees, it is after expenses , taxes and whatever that in the end may place you a step or two above the red line on the account books.

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Re: We've got to stop the myth of "the rich are the ones that
« Reply #12 on: February 27, 2011, 10:27:58 AM »
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Same with low-income housing... MILLIONS come into the local economy because of low-income housing subsidies, PLUS many jobs are created.


Funny Bobo.......the only jobs I've seen "low income housing" create is larger police forces needed to combat the crime.  Of course this is just an additional burden on those taxpayers who work, and don't live there........

I suppose one could argue that the usual collection of hookers, pimps, drug dealers, petty thieves, taggers, and assorted scum that inhabit these places "add value to the economy", but frankly, I can live without it.

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Re: We've got to stop the myth of "the rich are the ones that
« Reply #13 on: February 27, 2011, 10:37:20 AM »
Funny Bobo.......the only jobs I've seen "low income housing" create is larger police forces needed to combat the crime.  Of course this is just an additional burden on those taxpayers who work, and don't live there........

I suppose one could argue that the usual collection of hookers, pimps, drug dealers, petty thieves, taggers, and assorted scum that inhabit these places "add value to the economy", but frankly, I can live without it.

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Re: We've got to stop the myth of "the rich are the ones that
« Reply #14 on: February 27, 2011, 10:58:10 AM »
So liberals came up with the bright idea of "section 8" housing vouchers to spread the crime throughout the city/town/county so as to hide the facts of high crime amongst those kinds of people... and yes, I used the term "those kinds of people".

Fortunately, the little "bump in the road" the liberals encountered around here is that 99% of landlords won't take Section 8 vouchers........simply too many restrictions on what the landlord can and cannot do with his property.  That coupled with the fact that there is no shortage of good prople with jobs wanting to rent quality property, with the housing market such as it is presently.

Our rentals have been completely filled for over three years, with an eighteen-month waiting list.  Evil capitalist that I am, I get to pick and choose only the tenants with the best credit ratings, and the lowest property risk.

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Re: We've got to stop the myth of "the rich are the ones that
« Reply #15 on: February 27, 2011, 11:20:16 AM »
Fortunately, the little "bump in the road" the liberals encountered around here is that 99% of landlords won't take Section 8 vouchers........simply too many restrictions on what the landlord can and cannot do with his property.  That coupled with the fact that there is nio shortage of good prople with jobs wanting to rent quality property, with the housing market such as it is presently.

Our rentals have been completely filled for over three years, with an eighteen-month waiting list.  Evil capitalist that I am, I get to pick and choose only the tenants with the best credit ratings, and the lowest property risk.

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I once has a debate with a well educated leftist about supply and demand which they were sure was complete BS. I likened to First Law of Thermodynamics, Conservation of Energy. Their response was "But what if you could repeal that law." This is how these people think.
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Re: We've got to stop the myth of "the rich are the ones that
« Reply #16 on: February 27, 2011, 08:15:09 PM »
My dear, any family of 2-3 that brings in $150,000 is indeed rich ---TO ME.      


Yeah, that's more than I'll ever see, too. However, the DUmmies talk about the rich as though they all made mega-millions every year, but they really mean anyone that has a little more than they have.  They can't see the connection between raising the taxes and healthcare costs on small businesses and the unemployment rate.  In their eyes, every single job comes from some huge corporation with millions in their bank account, but the reality is that the small business owner working 14 to 16 hours a day and earning between $150,000 and $250,000 are the ones being hurt by the DUmmies' greed and inability to take care of themselves.
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Re: We've got to stop the myth of "the rich are the ones that
« Reply #17 on: February 27, 2011, 08:18:03 PM »
Geezuz.

Just because the primitives wish something were so, doesn't make it so.

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Re: We've got to stop the myth of "the rich are the ones that
« Reply #18 on: February 27, 2011, 08:56:16 PM »
My dear, any family of 2-3 that brings in $150,000 is indeed rich ---TO ME.      

So how do they make that money, they freaking WORK for it, save their money and watch their Penny's so the dollars will keep coming in.

They work to keep their standard of living intact, not just for today but tomorrow.    

So who cannot live on less then $12,000 a month????   I have been doing the math and I find that if one person cannot work that brings the income down to $6,000 a month or $72. 000 a year.  or ,1.500 a week.-----This is not RICH LIFESTYLE.  



Newsflash, vesta--even $150K ain't that much.

I'll do you one better, let's use $120K/yr.  $10K/month.  A nice round number, yes?

Now out of that $120K/year, we take the following:

$27K federal taxes
$6600 in SS taxes
$1800 in Medicare taxes

For a total of $35,400--just to the federal government.  Which leaves us with $84,600.

Now the state gets to take it's piece of the pie.  Lucky me, living in New Hampshire.  No state income tax.  But were I still in California, that income would mean I'd be scratching out a check to the tune of $9200.  Oh, and CA also takes out unemployment insurance AND workman's comp on top of that.  Isn't liberalism wonderful?  Maine would be even worse--nearly $9300.  Massachusetts would be $5900.

But we haven't even gotten to sales taxes, property taxes, vehicle taxes, etc. yet.

But just for shits and giggles, let's just stick with NH property taxes--oh, $6000 per year oughta do.

So now we're down to $78,600.  Whoops--vehicle taxes.  Make that $78,000 even.

That's $6500 a month, in case you were keeping score at home, kids.  Over 1/3 gone before you even get to see it.  Well, that's not entirely true--then you have little things like INSURANCE, medical, dental, HCRA contribution, union dues, etc., that takes about another $3600 a year.

Oh, and let's not forget savings!  Taxpayers aren't paying MY retirement, I gotta put aside for my golden years by myself!  There's another $12K a year.  So now we're down to $62,400 a year, or about $5400 a month.

To make a house payment.  $1800/mo
And heat the house.  And electricity, and water, and sewer.  $400/mo
And vehicle, maintenance, insurance, gas, tolls.  $1000/mo
And maintain the house. $200/mo
And food.  $300/mo
And phone, cable, etc... $200/mo
And credit cards, including ex-wife's (the bitch) $1000/mo
And mother in the nursing home $400/mo

Doesn't leave a whole ****ing lot left over to play with, now does it?
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Re: We've got to stop the myth of "the rich are the ones that
« Reply #19 on: February 28, 2011, 05:31:39 AM »
The official definition of 'rich' according to the Obama administration are those that make over 250K a year. Those who earn that much are the same people who start small businesses - those you call 'the middle class'.

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Re: We've got to stop the myth of "the rich are the ones that
« Reply #20 on: February 28, 2011, 08:44:50 AM »
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Fortunately, the little "bump in the road" the liberals encountered around here is that 99% of landlords won't take Section 8 vouchers
  99% where you live, TVDOC?  I'd say it's somewhat lower than that around here, but I won't touch section 8 with a million mile pole.  The only "multiplier effect" to a local economy would be for repair and maintenance guys to come by and fix all the dreadful damage that inevitably occurs when someone doesn't have a stake in something. 

Plus, there is the "those kind of people" factor.  I'm not talking about color of skin, I'm talking about content of character. 

When we have a vacancy, we go through the biggest collection of yahoos and trash that you've ever seen.  If I need to chase one away, I good-naturedly mention that we have a ghost, of course.   :whistling:

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Re: We've got to stop the myth of "the rich are the ones that
« Reply #21 on: February 28, 2011, 08:55:29 AM »
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1. Spending creates jobs.
   
When I buy a car, I am actually hiring someone to assemble it for me, someone to design it for me and managers and bookkeepers to to handle the transaction, manage the work and aggregate customers to enable efficient production.

WRONG! One of those "evil" rich people or corporations paid for for the materials and labor to have the vehicle manufactured. At that point, it was an investment. Your stupid ass only comes in after the fact to make their investment pay off.

The lack of business sense with you DUmmies is amazing. Go sit in the corner, Jeff.
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Re: We've got to stop the myth of "the rich are the ones that
« Reply #22 on: February 28, 2011, 03:59:50 PM »
Hummmmmmm maybe we've found the value of Potato.

$1.84 = Potato???

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Re: We've got to stop the myth of "the rich are the ones that
« Reply #23 on: February 28, 2011, 04:18:02 PM »
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...Every time someone says to me that it's the rich that creates jobs I'm going to say, " No they don't...the middle-class does."

Okay, but you believe Barack Obama isn't hiding anything on his birth certificate and rides a magic Skittles-shitting flying unicorn, so WTF do you know?
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Re: We've got to stop the myth of "the rich are the ones that
« Reply #24 on: February 28, 2011, 06:26:06 PM »
So if the Govt. would just put everyone on unemployment and give them food stamps we could get the economy booming in no time?

Where do they get this from?



Not to mention for every dollar sent to DC, 50¢ is lost into bureaucracy! So I guess by their thinkin', we're triplin' our tax money when they decide to release it back to us.

They are tryin' to say that the cost of goods is not included in the price. They are sayin' if ya buy a loaf of bread, you thereby have to figure in the Store, the trucker, the bakery, the farmer, etc, etc, etc...... Problem is, it's already figured in the price. Ya don't get to "add" extra shit in after it's already there, DUmbasses!
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