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Offline Bertram

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Gay's in the United States military.
« on: February 20, 2011, 06:08:00 PM »
Is DADT a good policy?
Should homosexuals be allowed in the Military?
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Re: Gay's in the United States military.
« Reply #1 on: February 20, 2011, 06:09:36 PM »
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Re: Gay's in the United States military.
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2011, 06:12:21 PM »
Why should anyone care is they are? As long as they do their job then why should anyone really care what they like? Anyone who wants to work to protect their country should be able too.

Whether or not DADT was good, I don't know enough about it.
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Re: Gay's in the United States military.
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2011, 06:14:26 PM »
Quote from: Bertram on February 20, 2011, 06:08:00 PM
Is DADT a good policy?
Should homosexuals be allowed in the Military?

YES....they make excellent decoys for over sexed Muslims....even better that goats and camels.
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Re: Gay's in the United States military.
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2011, 06:14:36 PM »
I'll give you my opinion, but it's not going to be one you'll be happy with.  When I served (U.S. Army - 8 years), we knew who the gay soldiers were.  Minus the exception here or there, most of us honestly didn't care as long as they did their job and didn't try to push their preference on us.  DADT was a way for politicians to feel like they were doing something to satisfy both sides of the issue, but most of us serving didn't care one way or another.
 
Some here will disagree with me, but that's why differing opinions are so great.  :)
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Re: Gay's in the United States military.
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2011, 06:16:00 PM »
Quote from: TexasCop on February 20, 2011, 06:14:36 PM
I'll give you my opinion, but it's not going to be one you'll be happy with.  When I served (U.S. Army - 8 years), we knew who the gay soldiers were.  Minus the exception here or there, most of us honestly didn't care as long as they did their job and didn't try to push their preference on us.  DADT was a way for politicians to feel like they were doing something to satisfy both sides of the issue, but most of us serving didn't care one way or another.
 
Some here will disagree with me, but that's why differing opinions are so great.  :)

So you would say that there isn't much homophobia in the US Military?
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Re: Gay's in the United States military.
« Reply #6 on: February 20, 2011, 06:20:56 PM »
Quote from: Bertram on February 20, 2011, 06:16:00 PM
So you would say that there isn't much homophobia in the US Military?

There's some, but you're going to get that in any male dominated setting.  It's just not as common as people would probably think.  We even have an openly gay male officer that I work with.  He's a damned fine officer and I have yet (in the 10 years he's worked with me) to hear anyone joke about his preference because he does his job and he does it well.  Many people would be surprised to hear that, too.
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Re: Gay's in the United States military.
« Reply #7 on: February 20, 2011, 06:32:08 PM »
Quote from: TexasCop on February 20, 2011, 06:20:56 PM

There's some, but you're going to get that in any male dominated setting.  It's just not as common as people would probably think.  We even have an openly gay male officer that I work with.  He's a damned fine officer and I have yet (in the 10 years he's worked with me) to hear anyone joke about his preference because he does his job and he does it well.  Many people would be surprised to hear that, too.

So the whole argument that it harms troop cohesion and morale is mostly baseless?
Awesome.

I think that even if there is stigma against homosexuals in the military, separation is not going to solve the problem. It should not be the burden of the oppressed to change, but the burden of the oppressor.
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Re: Gay's in the United States military.
« Reply #8 on: February 20, 2011, 06:33:36 PM »
People that say that serving with openly gay people hurts morale or troop cohesion usually didn't serve.  Honestly, being a volunteer only service, we need as many good troops as we can get.
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Re: Gay's in the United States military.
« Reply #9 on: February 20, 2011, 06:35:02 PM »
Quote from: JohnnyReb on February 20, 2011, 06:14:26 PM
YES....they make excellent decoys for over sexed Muslims....even better that goats and camels.

What?
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Re: Gay's in the United States military.
« Reply #10 on: February 20, 2011, 06:37:47 PM »
Quote from: TexasCop on February 20, 2011, 06:33:36 PM
People that say that serving with openly gay people hurts morale or troop cohesion usually didn't serve.  Honestly, being a volunteer only service, we need as many good troops as we can get.

I've noticed that. I was talking to this chick who was in the Air Force who was in favor of it, but everything she said made it sound like it was a non-issue in her unit, but only in other units. Her unit commander was a lesbian, and there were quite a few others in her unit also that were. But she seemed to think that it hurt cohesion and morale in other units. Very strange.
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Re: Gay's in the United States military.
« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2011, 06:38:38 PM »
Quote from: Bertram on February 20, 2011, 06:35:02 PM
What?

You only asked that question to stir up some shit....just thought I'd give you a stick....wouldn't want you to get your hands dirty.
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Re: Gay's in the United States military.
« Reply #12 on: February 20, 2011, 06:51:51 PM »
Quote from: compaqxp on February 20, 2011, 06:12:21 PM
Whether or not DADT was good, I don't know enough about it.

And yet you find a need to flap your cock holster about it.

Look up the phrase, "good order and discipline" and get back to us, won't you?
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Re: Gay's in the United States military.
« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2011, 06:59:38 PM »
Quote from: Bertram on February 20, 2011, 06:08:00 PM
Is DADT a good policy?
Should homosexuals be allowed in the Military?
They are already there...now whether they should serve openly or not is a different story. I'd say the majority are not the type to shout it from the rooftops, they just ant to do their jobs and that's it...But you're gonna get the asshole who  decides to make a "show" outta the fact and screw it up for everyone else.
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Re: Gay's in the United States military.
« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2011, 07:49:53 PM »
Quote from: Bertram on February 20, 2011, 06:08:00 PM
Is DADT a good policy?
Should homosexuals be allowed in the Military?
Interesting for me how the powers that be are more concerned about have gays in the military than trying to kill the enemy.
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Re: Gay's in the United States military.
« Reply #15 on: February 20, 2011, 07:52:29 PM »
Quote from: cavegal on February 20, 2011, 07:49:53 PM
Interesting for me how the powers that be are more concerned about have gays in the military than trying to kill the enemy.
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Re: Gay's in the United States military.
« Reply #16 on: February 20, 2011, 08:05:35 PM »
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Re: Gay's in the United States military.
« Reply #17 on: February 20, 2011, 08:06:42 PM »
The advantage of DADT and the predecessor outright ban was that gays were largely tolerated as long as they did their job and just STFU with the gay shit.  Thinking that legitimization is such a wonderful thing is kind of like thinking that if driving at the speed limit is a good thing, driving twice as fast must be twice as good.

And 'Homophobia' is an advocate's label, 'Fear' is not really the basis of their lack of acceptance. 

I'm sure compaqwhatever has never served in the military, even Canada's such as it is, and bertram just seems like your garden variety lib troll, so neither one of them would have any context to understand a more complex and thorough answer.
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Re: Gay's in the United States military.
« Reply #18 on: February 20, 2011, 08:08:35 PM »
Quote from: DumbAss Tanker on February 20, 2011, 08:06:42 PM
The advantage of DADT and the predecessor outright ban was that gays were largely tolerated as long as they did their job and just STFU with the gay shit.  Thinking that legitimization is such a wonderful thing is kind of like thinking that if driving at the speed limit is a good thing, driving twice as fast must be twice as good.

And 'Homophobia' is an advocate's label, 'Fear' is not really the basis of their lack of acceptance. 

I'm sure compaqwhatever has never served in the military, even Canada's such as it is, and bertram just seems like your garden variety lib troll, so neither one of them would have any context to understand a more complex and thorough answer.
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Re: Gay's in the United States military.
« Reply #19 on: February 20, 2011, 08:09:21 PM »
Quote from: DumbAss Tanker on February 20, 2011, 08:06:42 PM
The advantage of DADT and the predecessor outright ban was that gays were largely tolerated as long as they did their job and just STFU with the gay shit.  Thinking that legitimization is such a wonderful thing is kind of like thinking that if driving at the speed limit is a good thing, driving twice as fast must be twice as good.

And 'Homophobia' is an advocate's label, 'Fear' is not really the basis of their lack of acceptance. 

I'm sure compaqwhatever has never served in the military, even Canada's such as it is, and bertram just seems like your garden variety lib troll, so neither one of them would have any context to understand a more complex and thorough answer.

Yeh, who brought this one back to the cave? :hammer:
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Re: Gay's in the United States military.
« Reply #20 on: February 20, 2011, 08:19:17 PM »
Quote from: DumbAss Tanker on February 20, 2011, 08:06:42 PM
The advantage of DADT and the predecessor outright ban was that gays were largely tolerated as long as they did their job and just STFU with the gay shit.  Thinking that legitimization is such a wonderful thing is kind of like thinking that if driving at the speed limit is a good thing, driving twice as fast must be twice as good.

And 'Homophobia' is an advocate's label, 'Fear' is not really the basis of their lack of acceptance. 

I'm sure compaqwhatever has never served in the military, even Canada's such as it is, and bertram just seems like your garden variety lib troll, so neither one of them would have any context to understand a more complex and thorough answer.
I can assure you. I'm no troll.

Just because there isn't this policy doesn't mean that gay soldiers are going to be acting flamboyant.

But the policy was also disincentivising homosexuals from joining the military.
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Re: Gay's in the United States military.
« Reply #21 on: February 20, 2011, 08:22:30 PM »
I can assure you. I'm no troll.
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Re: Gay's in the United States military.
« Reply #22 on: February 21, 2011, 06:59:13 AM »
Quote from: Bertram on February 20, 2011, 08:19:17 PM
I can assure you. I'm no troll.

Just because there isn't this policy doesn't mean that gay soldiers are going to be acting flamboyant.

But the policy was also disincentivising homosexuals from joining the military.

I am sorry, but every post I have seen of your's has been one that I have seen on other boards and it's always the same stance that the lib has taken.  Going to check out introductions
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Re: Gay's in the United States military.
« Reply #23 on: February 21, 2011, 07:29:32 AM »
Quote from: Bertram on February 20, 2011, 08:19:17 PM
I can assure you. I'm no troll.

We'll see.
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Re: Gay's in the United States military.
« Reply #24 on: February 21, 2011, 08:14:57 AM »
I don't believe you'll see many (if any) flamboyant gay men serving.  The military doesn't seem like something feminine men would be interested in.  The gay men I knew when I was in were very type-a dominant men.  You're much more likely to see women who think they're men, but they were there and very obvious before DADT, so I don't see that mattering either. 
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