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Re: Trump 2012?
« Reply #150 on: April 19, 2011, 01:31:41 PM »
We do not need a celebrity President.  Don't we already have one?

Reagan was a celebrity president.   Thompson would have been one also.   Thompson totally blew timing though on entering the race. 




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Re: Trump 2012?
« Reply #151 on: April 19, 2011, 01:39:22 PM »
I think it too early for the 'heavy hitters' to throw their hats into the ring anyways.

The earlier they enter, the more time they will have with a bullseye painted on their backs.

I think its wise to wait it out for as long as they can.

Libs and the lib media cant wait to rip them to shreds in any case.

Of course the 'moderates' can enter the race at any time. Thats who the left wants us to vote for. That'll be the 'conventional' wisdom.

I agree - the heavy-hitters won't be announcing until late-summer or fall.

The Republicans that are trolling around Iowa already are not very likely to win: Santorum, Pawlenty, Bachmann, Gingrich, Cain.

Now things can obviously change.  There are things from each of these candidates that I like, but I can't see any of them getting the nomination.
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Re: Trump 2012?
« Reply #152 on: April 19, 2011, 01:51:25 PM »
Reagan was a celebrity president.   Thompson would have been one also.   Thompson totally blew timing though on entering the race. 


It's all water under the bridge, of course, but as Thompson was my fave candidate going into the thing, the fact that he just didn't have the drive, the energy, and the will to do what's necessary on the campaign trail spelled his doom. I was disappointed because I felt he went at the whole thing halfheartedly.
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Re: Trump 2012?
« Reply #153 on: April 19, 2011, 02:04:18 PM »
It's all water under the bridge, of course, but as Thompson was my fave candidate going into the thing, the fact that he just didn't have the drive, the energy, and the will to do what's necessary on the campaign trail spelled his doom. I was disappointed because I felt he went at the whole thing halfheartedly.

I wonder if he just had second thoughts, which was the reason he waited so darn long to enter the race.   

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« Reply #154 on: April 19, 2011, 02:14:37 PM »
I wonder if he just had second thoughts, which was the reason he waited so darn long to enter the race.   

I think there's no doubt he had second thoughts. He was dragged into it, resented it, and it showed.
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Re: Trump 2012?
« Reply #155 on: April 19, 2011, 02:19:00 PM »
I havent read this thread but I don't want Trump, he is totally pandering.

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Re: Trump 2012?
« Reply #156 on: April 19, 2011, 02:19:18 PM »
Yeah, me too. Again.  *sigh*

Over the past few weeks, I've taken a careful look at Trump. I've read gurn's gushing about Trump (and his later semi-retractions of same). And I've seen him on a steady parade of TV punditcasts.

Conclusion?

Donald Trump is a magnificent self-promoter, even more successful at it than Ann Coulter is in promoting herself.
Kinda wondering what Trump's personal coffers are doing with this latest publicity barrage and rumors concerning his "running for president". Can anybody say "Ka-CHING!"?

I think all that's bullshit. The only thing that Trump is interested in is money. And himself.

Yep, the guy is a snake. I wouldn't be surprised if he used the office to make in-roads for Trump International into China.
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Re: Trump 2012?
« Reply #157 on: April 19, 2011, 03:31:49 PM »

The Republicans that are trolling around Iowa already are not very likely to win: Santorum, Pawlenty, Bachmann, Gingrich, Cain.


I still like Herman Cain, but he has a lot of catching up to do in terms of name recognition .

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Re: Trump 2012?
« Reply #158 on: April 19, 2011, 03:33:49 PM »
I still like Herman Cain, but he has a lot of catching up to do in terms of name recognition .

I like his ideas, but he's damn near unknown by most voters.
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Re: Trump 2012?
« Reply #159 on: April 19, 2011, 03:38:22 PM »
I like his ideas, but he's damn near unknown by most voters.

That's why he's hitting the early primary states hoping to get some news coverage.  Fox is pretty much ignoring everyone but Trump, which pisses me off.

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Re: Trump 2012?
« Reply #160 on: April 19, 2011, 06:12:15 PM »
I think it too early for the 'heavy hitters' to throw their hats into the ring anyways.

The earlier they enter, the more time they will have with a bullseye painted on their backs.

I think its wise to wait it out for as long as they can.

Libs and the lib media cant wait to rip them to shreds in any case.

Of course the 'moderates' can enter the race at any time. Thats who the left wants us to vote for. That'll be the 'conventional' wisdom.

Who are the heavy-hitters?
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Re: Trump 2012?
« Reply #161 on: April 19, 2011, 11:47:32 PM »
I doubt Trump will run and he will throw his support to Palin. He has spoken highly of her and so has Rush. Trump is getting the Democrats and RINO's like Karl Rove all shook up. It is fun to watch the Blue Blood Rockefeller Repubs get their panties in a wad. Trump is stirring the pot up and that is good.

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Re: Trump 2012?
« Reply #162 on: April 20, 2011, 03:34:26 AM »
I doubt Trump will run and he will throw his support to Palin. He has spoken highly of her and so has Rush. Trump is getting the Democrats and RINO's like Karl Rove all shook up. It is fun to watch the Blue Blood Rockefeller Repubs get their panties in a wad. Trump is stirring the pot up and that is good.

It looks like Trump & Huck are blowing kisses to each other on TV. I wouldn't be surprised to see something happen with that.
I've heard both say nice things about each other. And they had some kind of meeting last week, reportedly.

Maybe they'll be ganging up on Mitt?

I see Huck as a seriously flawed candidate. He commuted a guy's sentence who went on to kill four cops.
But he's always likable on the stump. And he runs really well with Southern evangelicals.
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Re: Trump 2012?
« Reply #163 on: April 20, 2011, 04:19:25 AM »
I like his ideas, but he's damn near unknown by most voters.

However, he'd be a great choice for VP. It would give the country a chance to know him. He'd make an impression!

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Re: Trump 2012?
« Reply #164 on: April 20, 2011, 05:19:40 AM »
I believe that Trump appeals to to the deep down feelings humans need for in a leader.

A history of win and loose to ultimately come out on top of our enemy's.  A fighter that will pull all stops to
be it by hook or by crook to see to it his country and people will benefit from his leadership.

A true leader does not TELL his people they will have to sacrifice for their country A mighty leader has his people OFFERING to sacrifice on their own.

A true leader pulls his citizens together to work together not to divide them into waring clans or ethnic problems. A true leader unites the people to work together for the benefit of all, rich and poor, religion or race has no divesions.

Money and game plan come into this, Trump has shown he can become personally a multi billionare with his methods world wide.   He is a scoundrel and a wheeler dealer, always looking at how will this trade benefit him.

If such a man can place that priority on our Nation, how will this be of benefit to America, we can not loose.

We are tired of being led by the nose to place any other country's before our best interests. Tired of allowing feeble men to decide a school in some far off country needs to be built while ignoring our own country's schools to fall into decay.

We are repairing bridges around the world but the number of bridges in our states are shocking in their decay
and the States have to fight for federal money to get them repaired.  Too much money is going to Norway to repair their bridges etc.

Let the dictators of foreign country's spend their own money to repair the needs of their own country's, when they come a calling demanding we help them, first let them spend their own money to do so and any relief aid from us comes a signed agreement from that government that they will repay us be it by trade agreement or oil, mining rights or coconuts.

We need a tit for tat Leader, one that tells the world that America comes first, that we are willing to help out others in a time of need but our help comes with a price.

Once we are on out feet again and our leader comands respect from the rest of the world then  and only then can we afford to be generous to a point with others.




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Re: Trump 2012?
« Reply #165 on: April 20, 2011, 05:55:32 AM »
I believe that Trump appeals to to the deep down feelings humans need for in a leader.

A history of win and loose to ultimately come out on top of our enemy's.  A fighter that will pull all stops to
be it by hook or by crook to see to it his country and people will benefit from his leadership.

A true leader does not TELL his people they will have to sacrifice for their country A mighty leader has his people OFFERING to sacrifice on their own.

A true leader pulls his citizens together to work together not to divide them into waring clans or ethnic problems. A true leader unites the people to work together for the benefit of all, rich and poor, religion or race has no divesions.

Money and game plan come into this, Trump has shown he can become personally a multi billionare with his methods world wide.   He is a scoundrel and a wheeler dealer, always looking at how will this trade benefit him.

If such a man can place that priority on our Nation, how will this be of benefit to America, we can not loose.

We are tired of being led by the nose to place any other country's before our best interests. Tired of allowing feeble men to decide a school in some far off country needs to be built while ignoring our own country's schools to fall into decay.

We are repairing bridges around the world but the number of bridges in our states are shocking in their decay
and the States have to fight for federal money to get them repaired.  Too much money is going to Norway to repair their bridges etc.

Let the dictators of foreign country's spend their own money to repair the needs of their own country's, when they come a calling demanding we help them, first let them spend their own money to do so and any relief aid from us comes a signed agreement from that government that they will repay us be it by trade agreement or oil, mining rights or coconuts.

We need a tit for tat Leader, one that tells the world that America comes first, that we are willing to help out others in a time of need but our help comes with a price.

Once we are on out feet again and our leader comands respect from the rest of the world then  and only then can we afford to be generous to a point with others.


I've just finished flying through several US airports. There is not enough room for people to sit down in Phoenix, Chicago, Houston, Atlanta.
It's disgusting. Everyone should fly through Hong Kong airport some day. Then they will understand how America is becoming a third-world country.

Yeah I know. Airports are state & city projects not Federal issues. And yeah, I'm a small government, states' rights guy.
But US airports s*ck. US cell phone service s*cks. US infrastructure increasingly s*cks. US railroads have s*cked for a long time.
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Re: Trump 2012?
« Reply #166 on: April 20, 2011, 06:20:24 AM »
I am amazed so many on the right are so easily swayed by an obvious liberal in sheeps clothing. An entertaining liberal, but a liberal none the less. Now then when I say liberal, just look at a couple of my earlier posts concerning Trump. He endorses nationalized health care. He is against Paul Ryans current budget proposal just passed in the House to fix the entitlement programs as part of the effort to get the spending under control. He has spent a lot of money contributing to democrat candidates against tea party candidates. He was outspoken for impeaching Bush, calling him the worst president in history. He has a fairly extensive liberal record. Yet folks are persuaded by just a couple of policy stances ignoring everything else. Amazing. I am impressed. Really.

And anybody thinks Trump is going to get the fiscal house in order... who has gone bankrupt how many times? Who wants to place a 25% tariff against the Chicoms? Anybody remember how tariffs/ the tariff wars worked for us during the Great Depression under Hoover (another great economic genius)?

Now, I could be wrong. But I think Im beginning to better understand why or how liberal republicans get the nomination time after time. I used to think that appearances over substance only applied to democrat candidates. But I guess maybe the cancer has spread and that pop culture just eclipses everything now.

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Re: Trump 2012?
« Reply #167 on: April 20, 2011, 06:34:53 AM »
I am amazed so many on the right are so easily swayed by an obvious liberal in sheeps clothing. An entertaining liberal, but a liberal none the less. Now then when I say liberal, just look at a couple of my earlier posts concerning Trump. He endorses nationalized health care. He is against Paul Ryans current budget proposal just passed in the House to fix the entitlement programs as part of the effort to get the spending under control. He has spent a lot of money contributing to democrat candidates against tea party candidates. He was outspoken for impeaching Bush, calling him the worst president in history. He has a fairly extensive liberal record. Yet folks are persuaded by just a couple of policy stances ignoring everything else. Amazing. I am impressed. Really.

And anybody thinks Trump is going to get the fiscal house in order... who has gone bankrupt how many times? Who wants to place a 25% tariff against the Chicoms? Anybody remember how tariffs/ the tariff wars worked for us during the Great Depression under Hoover (another great economic genius)?

Now, I could be wrong. But I think Im beginning to better understand why or how liberal republicans get the nomination time after time. I used to think that appearances over substance only applied to democrat candidates. But I guess maybe the cancer has spread and that pop culture just eclipses everything now.

 :popcorn:

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Re: Trump 2012?
« Reply #168 on: April 20, 2011, 07:16:54 AM »
I am amazed so many on the right are so easily swayed by an obvious liberal in sheeps clothing. An entertaining liberal, but a liberal none the less. Now then when I say liberal, just look at a couple of my earlier posts concerning Trump. He endorses nationalized health care. He is against Paul Ryans current budget proposal just passed in the House to fix the entitlement programs as part of the effort to get the spending under control. He has spent a lot of money contributing to democrat candidates against tea party candidates. He was outspoken for impeaching Bush, calling him the worst president in history. He has a fairly extensive liberal record. Yet folks are persuaded by just a couple of policy stances ignoring everything else. Amazing. I am impressed. Really.

And anybody thinks Trump is going to get the fiscal house in order... who has gone bankrupt how many times? Who wants to place a 25% tariff against the Chicoms? Anybody remember how tariffs/ the tariff wars worked for us during the Great Depression under Hoover (another great economic genius)?

Now, I could be wrong. But I think Im beginning to better understand why or how liberal republicans get the nomination time after time. I used to think that appearances over substance only applied to democrat candidates. But I guess maybe the cancer has spread and that pop culture just eclipses everything now.

 :popcorn:

I think you're wrong about the tariff issue - both about the effects of tariffs on the Great Depression & certainly about what is happening today.

Here's a new MIT study for example.

http://econ-www.mit.edu/files/6613

The cost of government transfer payments as a result of lost jobs to China - are greater than the savings consumers
realize by shopping for cheap Chinese stuff at Wal-Mart.

Expect more studies like that in the future. Keeping your currency low relative to the Dollar reaps huge benefits for many countries.
Trump's got that part right.  And it results in a massive hemorrhaging of jobs overseas, which then results in huge increases in
transfer payments in the form of food stamps, welfare, M/C. Cities & states lose their tax bases which results in even more loss of
jobs and even greater transfer payment burdens to jobless users of public services.

The Chinese are gaming the system. The old way of thinking doesn't work. Trump gets it. None of the other candidates do.
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Re: Trump 2012?
« Reply #169 on: April 20, 2011, 07:52:42 AM »
I am amazed so many on the right are so easily swayed by an obvious liberal in sheeps clothing. An entertaining liberal, but a liberal none the less. Now then when I say liberal, just look at a couple of my earlier posts concerning Trump. He endorses nationalized health care. He is against Paul Ryans current budget proposal just passed in the House to fix the entitlement programs as part of the effort to get the spending under control. He has spent a lot of money contributing to democrat candidates against tea party candidates. He was outspoken for impeaching Bush, calling him the worst president in history. He has a fairly extensive liberal record. Yet folks are persuaded by just a couple of policy stances ignoring everything else. Amazing. I am impressed. Really.

And anybody thinks Trump is going to get the fiscal house in order... who has gone bankrupt how many times? Who wants to place a 25% tariff against the Chicoms? Anybody remember how tariffs/ the tariff wars worked for us during the Great Depression under Hoover (another great economic genius)?

Now, I could be wrong. But I think I'm beginning to better understand why or how liberal republicans get the nomination time after time. I used to think that appearances over substance only applied to democrat candidates. But I guess maybe the cancer has spread and that pop culture just eclipses everything now.

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Janice, Why are we going bankrupt at this time.??    When have we as America ever had these problems before??

It takes years of miss managemet to get to this point in Amercan history.    The damage is done, now the quesion is can we fix it.

Using conventional methods have just dug us into a deeper hole.    So the country decided to try out something else to see what could be done.    Disaster on that try, this experiment with Obama has made everything was worse for us.

The expression if at first you do not succeed, try, try again comes in here.

Why not try again with Trump, he can't  do worse then Obama, and has half the Senate and House all ready in his pocket for their business interests. Both sides as he was smart enough to donate money to both party's in the past.  

He can call in favors at any time something Obama cannot do.  He can call in favors from country's overseas and can in fact become something to be recconed with in the world.

Ever check into Arm& Hammer  and how they ran that company??    

It is no longer the corrupt politicians that will save us, now we have to look to the people in big industry to in this country to protect us as a whole country, not just a small part.

We need people that can smell a con 5 miles away to protect us, we need people that are more powerful then those holding corrupt offices to bring down the hammer on them.

No politicans is Strong enough to do this Only the people that are savvy in finance that are gaged to our countrys interests not their own can do this.

Darn we have to keep trying here, America has been a grand experiment in in the world, turned everything upside down and worked for us and those around the globe.

The rights of the people here in America are what we need to be solving, not the rights in any other country, that is up to their citizens to choose.

Who the hell do we think we are to go out blasting another country apart because of their government.

Do we want to see Kenya troops in our streets or Muslim Nations telling us we are wrong by their laws and we must change.??

We need to protect ourselves from being invaded by anyone from the outside.    Spend our money for our own self defence and allow the rest of he world to solve their own problems.  We do need to help our alies and friends but for those that are our enemys tell them to go to hell.   Money cannot buy us friends, we are told that in grade school, someone else will come along with more money and now that friend is an enemy.

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Re: Trump 2012?
« Reply #170 on: April 20, 2011, 10:35:23 AM »
I am amazed so many on the right are so easily swayed by an obvious liberal in sheeps clothing. An entertaining liberal, but a liberal none the less. Now then when I say liberal, just look at a couple of my earlier posts concerning Trump. He endorses nationalized health care. He is against Paul Ryans current budget proposal just passed in the House to fix the entitlement programs as part of the effort to get the spending under control. He has spent a lot of money contributing to democrat candidates against tea party candidates. He was outspoken for impeaching Bush, calling him the worst president in history. He has a fairly extensive liberal record. Yet folks are persuaded by just a couple of policy stances ignoring everything else. Amazing. I am impressed. Really.

And anybody thinks Trump is going to get the fiscal house in order... who has gone bankrupt how many times? Who wants to place a 25% tariff against the Chicoms? Anybody remember how tariffs/ the tariff wars worked for us during the Great Depression under Hoover (another great economic genius)?

Now, I could be wrong. But I think Im beginning to better understand why or how liberal republicans get the nomination time after time. I used to think that appearances over substance only applied to democrat candidates. But I guess maybe the cancer has spread and that pop culture just eclipses everything now.

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Re: Trump 2012?
« Reply #171 on: April 20, 2011, 10:54:55 AM »
I don't see Donald Trump running. He has got a comfortable life and why would he give it up for the White House.
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Re: Trump 2012?
« Reply #172 on: April 20, 2011, 12:10:46 PM »
I don't see Donald Trump running. He has got a comfortable life and why would he give it up for the White House.

I agree with you and Lacarnut about this general theme for 'the Donald'. I have some rather detailed theories that run a lot deeper and branches out to other issues that might really upset the apple cart for certain GOP types (notice I say GOP not conservative). But I dont wanna tip my hand quite yet. I dont wanna tick off too many people all at once. As an aside one thing that still sticks out to me is how that its almost like Trump is running against Stinky for the Democratic ticket rather than the Republican. As Ive said, he would be a much better fit running against Obama in the primary than either as a republican or an independent. And there's tons of Hillary type dems that would definitely prefer Trump over Odumbo. But I dont see Trump running either. Even if he did and even if he won, could anybody be worse or more inept either by accident or by design than the Closeted Muslim Man Child Candyass er.. I mean Candidate? I dont think so ... so its a poor comparison. It really is. My dog catcher could do a better job than Stinky. All that said it is nice to see 'the Donald' stirring up the pot and spreading a few cow patties along the way.
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Re: Trump 2012?
« Reply #173 on: April 20, 2011, 04:15:20 PM »
Trump is an attention whore getting another 15 minutes. His entire life he's flitted from one woman to the next and to one big deal to the next (nothing wrong with that) but the presidency or any elected office needs someone used to the extreme stress, responsibility, and monotony such a job demands. He's a risk taker which is an excellent quality in business and investment, in public service, not so much. If you listen to him most of what he wants, while many of them are good for the country as a whole, there are others (the tariff for instance) certainly wouldn't benefit regular people trying to live through a bad economy because there are too many other factors at play right now.

What's going to happen if/when he gets bored? Right now we have a president who hardly focuses on the country's business right now. However, he'd be an excellent adviser to whoever does win.

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Re: Trump 2012?
« Reply #174 on: April 20, 2011, 05:50:14 PM »
Trump is an attention whore getting another 15 minutes. His entire life he's flitted from one woman to the next and to one big deal to the next (nothing wrong with that) but the presidency or any elected office needs someone used to the extreme stress, responsibility, and monotony such a job demands. He's a risk taker which is an excellent quality in business and investment, in public service, not so much. If you listen to him most of what he wants, while many of them are good for the country as a whole, there are others (the tariff for instance) certainly wouldn't benefit regular people trying to live through a bad economy because there are too many other factors at play right now.

What's going to happen if/when he gets bored? Right now we have a president who hardly focuses on the country's business right now. However, he'd be an excellent adviser to whoever does win.

Cindie
Even if I agreed with everything you wrote, which I don't, the facts are we are in one hell of a mess with high unemployment, roaring debt, spending out of control, etc. I don't think there are any or very few politicians in DC that are committed to spending less than we receive in taxes. That is the only way we will reduce our debt. Obama and Ryan's plan is a joke because it only slows down the increase in our future debt. I don't see any Repub saying that their budget will cut spending to the bone, eliminate agencies, reduce Federal employees so that we will have a surplus. Those are probably too radical for most voters to stomach cause it involves sacrifice but sooner or later we will be forced into it. Real wages are stagnant and inflation is getting ready to bite us in the butt. I happen to believe it will take someone with a great deal of business experience to fix the problems. Trump may not be the right person for President but his message is sure as hell is resonating with the average voter.