Trump 2012?

[true_blood]

Trump is feisty, decisive, not a bit afraid of a fight, and extremely knowledgeable about money.  And that’s what it’s all about.  A total political outsider who tells it like it is and is well aware of the nature of the crisis we’re in.

Money = power, right?! Maybe we'll regain our power again.
A total political outsider. That's EXACTLY who we need. Not someone that is already "in the system" and will fall in step with what's going on in the "current" American government.
Those are just my opinions. I have yet to hear a candidate better than Trump so far.

[docstew]

Money = power, right?! Maybe we'll regain our power again.
A total political outsider. That's EXACTLY who we need. Not someone that is already "in the system" and will fall in step with what's going on in the "current" American government.
Those are just my opinions. I have yet to hear a candidate better than Trump so far.

Then you haven't listened to Herman Cain.

[true_blood]

Then you haven't listened to Herman Cain.

I am familiar with him. I have heard him on Cavuto last year, but not recently.
I still like all the points that Trump makes.

[Lacarnut]

Trump was on Hannity tonight and will be on for a second session Friday night. I like what he has to say so far. I wish he would ditch the birther issue though. Makes him sound like a kook if he does not have any proof.

[BlueStateSaint]

Trump was on Hannity tonight and will be on for a second session Friday night. I like what he has to say so far. I wish he would ditch the birther issue though. Makes him sound like a kook if he does not have any proof.

With Trump hammering the 'birther' issue as hard as he does, if he gets called by the LSM on it, all he has to say is that he has as much proof in the birther flap as the LSM has in going after Sarah Palin for whatever their "Story of the Month" on her happens to be.

[Lacarnut]

With Trump hammering the 'birther' issue as hard as he does, if he gets called by the LSM on it, all he has to say is that he has as much proof in the birther flap as the LSM has in going after Sarah Palin for whatever their "Story of the Month" on her happens to be.

That may be true. However, lest not lose sight of the fact that Repubs can not win the Presidency without a majority of Independents. Most of them are more interested in the economy, jobs, inflation, gas prices, debt, fighting 3 wars, abortion than they are about the  birther issue. Trump should just let the birther issue die out unless he has proof positive that would be damaging. I think there is a lot more dirt on those college school applications. 

[Janice]

I really do appreciate trump showing republicans how its done on the birther issue. Or ... any issue for that matter. It doesnt have to be the birther issue. But Stinky needs to attacked head on. Not, hedged around. Or tip-toed around. Or whatever ...

But ... having said that. Be aware of this. Trump is no conservative. Not even maybe. Thats why he wont go anywhere that will require him to answer tough questions on other issues. Why? Because he has a record... as far as who he has supported in the past. And .. who he has not supported and who he has outright trashed.

Trump in 2007: No President can be worse than Bush
Trump in 2007: I don’t understand how the Dems lost the 2004 election
Trump in 2008: Bush should be impeached; I’m impressed with Pelosi

During the Tea party battle he gave:

$2000 to Anthony Weiner (D) in Feb 2010
$400 (in the primary) and $1600 (in the general election) to Chuck Schumer (D) in Dec 2009
$2300 and $1700 to Hillary Clinton (D) in Dec 2009
$2400 x2 to Charlie Crist (I) in Oct 2009 - for Senate - against Marco Rubio
$2000 to Schumer (D) in May 2009
$2400 to the Harry Reid (D) campaign

Did you know hes stated (in his own book) that we must have universal health care akin to the Canadian style universal health care system?

He repeatedly stated (when Bush was President) he thought that Bush was the worst president ever. And that he should be impeached (for the war). He was very disappointed that Nancy Pelosi (who he really likes) didnt press harder on impeachment. He called Bush incompetent and evil. Later on he praised Obama as 'amazing' (as in wonderfully amazing). Of course now he thinks Stinky is the worst.

Now he trashes Paul Ryan for his budget proposal.

Theres more. But dont be bamboozled by an entertaining, charismatic, slick talking busness man. This should be enough to tip most conservatives off as to where Trump might really 'stand' on the other issues he dosent want to get near with a ten foot pole.

Something to consider. More to unfold as the elections near.

[gurn]

Still too early to tell, but I like what I've heard from Trump already. Run the Country like a business, not an empire. His stance on China is AWESOME! His stance on the South Koreans getting free protection from us while they should be paying for it, is AWESOME.
Still too early to tell yet.

I agree. Unfortunately, he's the only candidate talking about it too.

Screw Korea. Screw China. Make the a**holes pay.

[true_blood]

I agree. Unfortunately, he's the only candidate talking about it too.
Screw Korea. Screw China. Make the a**holes pay.

I totally agree. You won't hear this from any of the ones already in Congress. They're bought and sold for already, unfortunately.
This Country is broke financially, we can't afford to give out "freebies" any more.

[BlueStateSaint]

I totally agree. You won't hear this from any of the ones already in Congress. They're bought and sold for already, unfortunately.
This Country is broke financially, we can't afford to give out "freebies" any more.

And the next civil war starts when the "takers" find that out. 

[Janice]

Donald Trump's dished dollars to Clinton, Rangel, Kerry, Reid, Lautenberg, Schumer and more Dems

Tea Party darling and "birther" blowhard Donald Trump hasn't always put his money where his mouth is: The Donald has splashed campaign cash on a "Who's Who" of liberal pols.

Trump shot to the top of GOP presidential polls by embracing debunked conspiracies about President Obama's birthplace — but he repeatedly has opened his fat checkbook for a slew of Democratic stars, a review by the Center for Responsive Politics found.

The all-time apple of Trump's eye is beleaguered Harlem Rep. Charlie Rangel, the once powerful ex-head of the tax-writing Ways & Means Committee — and a GOP bogeyman. >>>

Former Sen. Hillary Clinton collected just $700 — but also got a gold seal of approval.

"She's very talented and she has a husband [ex-President Bill Clinton] that I also like very much," Trump gushed to CNN in 1997. >>>

But just a few months ago Trump spent big bucks to help beat back one of the Tea Party's most celebrated 2010 Senate hopefuls — Nevada's Sharron Angle.

Trump handed Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) $4,800 to help him win that race — boosting his total handouts to Reid to $10,400.

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I wonder if he has ever supported a conservative? I guess the greasy Trump is what makes the wheels turn for both liberal NY democrats and 'moderate' republicans.

[Janice]

Why Trump is no Ross Perot

With a few polls starting to show Donald Trump at or near the top of the Republican presidential field, we're starting to see more pundits evaluate him seriously as a candidate. This is a mistake.

Early polls in a presidential election are mainly a reflection of name recognition, a fact that plays right into the hands of a celebrity and master self-publicist such as Trump. Were he actually decide to run, Trump would sink in the polls once his past views were held up to scrutiny and conservative voters were reminded of his tabloid personal life. As Slate's Dave Weigel unearthed, back when he flirted with a presidential run in 2000, he called for a confiscatory tax hike and advocated Candadian-style socialized medicine. This, along with his anti-free trade economic views, led the Club for Growth to blast him this morning as a liberal.

Other analysts have tried to compare his potential to Ross Perot in 1992, perhaps if he ends up running as an independent. Yet there are key differences between the two men. Whereas  Perot was a self-made billionaire, Trump inherited a fortune from his father and declared bankruptcy several times. While Perot was a folksy Texan who could pull off a certain everyman appeal despite his enormous wealth, Trump is an arrogrant, in your face, born and bred New Yorker. >>>

I can't predict precisely how long this Trump for president fad will last, but it's destined to fizzle.

The only thing, if any, that we can glean from the Trump boomlet is how unimpressed most Republican voters are with the rest of the GOP presidential field. But we kind of knew that already.

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Trump spends many hundreds of thousands on liberal Democrats, is against the policies of the likes of Scott Walker and Paul Ryan, and supports public employee unions and the welfare entitlement state. Its almost like Trump is running against Stinky for the Democratic ticket rather than the Republican. He would be a much better fit running against Obama in the primary than either a republican or independent. And there are tons of Hillary type dems that would prefer Trump over Obama.

[Karin]

Trump in 2007: No President can be worse than Bush
Trump in 2007: I don’t understand how the Dems lost the 2004 election
Trump in 2008: Bush should be impeached; I’m impressed with Pelosi

During the Tea party battle he gave:

$2000 to Anthony Weiner (D) in Feb 2010
$400 (in the primary) and $1600 (in the general election) to Chuck Schumer (D) in Dec 2009
$2300 and $1700 to Hillary Clinton (D) in Dec 2009
$2400 x2 to Charlie Crist (I) in Oct 2009 - for Senate - against Marco Rubio
$2000 to Schumer (D) in May 2009
$2400 to the Harry Reid (D) campaign

I've got a real problem with all that shit, and I cannot become enthused about Trump.  I'm looking for some principles, damn it. 

[Janice]

I think it too early for the 'heavy hitters' to throw their hats into the ring anyways.

The earlier they enter, the more time they will have with a bullseye painted on their backs.

I think its wise to wait it out for as long as they can.

Libs and the lib media cant wait to rip them to shreds in any case.

Of course the 'moderates' can enter the race at any time. Thats who the left wants us to vote for. That'll be the 'conventional' wisdom.

[Evil_Conservative]

I don't even know why people are taking Trump seriously.  I'd never ever ever EVER vote for the guy.

[gurn]

Thoughtful series of anti-Trump articles at Daily Caller.

http://dailycaller.com/2011/04/16/why-trump-is-leading-and-what-it-really-means/2/


The establishment is really worried about this guy.

Trump is now in a position where he could be extremely dangerous. Conservatives are aching for someone with the gonads to take it to Obama and really shake things up in Washington if he happens to win. Many are so fed up that they are willing to jump on almost any bandwagon that even appears to be headed in that direction, even if the driver, like Trump, is totally unreliable. Others have given up to the point where they may be backing Trump simply for the entertainment value (heck, if the ship is sinking you might as well make sure there is some fun music playing on the deck as it goes down).

Until a better candidate co-opts his view on China and trade, he's got my vote.

[true_blood]

The establishment is really worried about this guy.
Until a better candidate co-opts his view on China and trade, he's got my vote.

And on OPEC as well.No one else seems to be addressing these issues.
I hate to bring up the birther issue, but it is important and he seems to be bringing it up a bit and has people looking into it.

[Evil_Conservative]

The guy is for a "Canadian style health care platform".  Would you still vote for him?

[formerlurker]

I think it too early for the 'heavy hitters' to throw their hats into the ring anyways.

The earlier they enter, the more time they will have with a bullseye painted on their backs.

I think its wise to wait it out for as long as they can.

Libs and the lib media cant wait to rip them to shreds in any case.

Of course the 'moderates' can enter the race at any time. Thats who the left wants us to vote for. That'll be the 'conventional' wisdom.

Fred Thompson would disagree with you.

[formerlurker]

Thoughtful series of anti-Trump articles at Daily Caller.

http://dailycaller.com/2011/04/16/why-trump-is-leading-and-what-it-really-means/2/


The establishment is really worried about this guy.
Until a better candidate co-opts his view on China and trade, he's got my vote.

I think he is enjoying the spotlight, and his candidness at hitting this Administration with a lot of questions that regular people think and talk about is actually refreshing.

Would he make a good president?  probably not.   There is a difference being the CEO of a company where everyone is your minion and does your becking.  That doesn't work in the White House.   Congress is a whole other kettle of fish.  Just hard talk doesn't translate to votes for legislation.   

I am still not convinced he is running, but he is stirring up the Republic to ready them for the presidential election cycle.  What's not to love there? 

[formerlurker]

The guy is for a "Canadian style health care platform".  Would you still vote for him?

If the Donald is the last guy standing and gets the nomination, then yes I will vote for him. 

[gurn]

The guy is for a "Canadian style health care platform".  Would you still vote for him?

My issues are 2nd Amendment, national security (China), and the economy (China).

It doesn't bother me so much that he's contributed to Liberal Dems or that he was for single payer.

It WOULD bother me a lot if he couldn't beat Obama.

The country is in trouble. China is already planning for a naval confrontation with missiles, in the Pacific around 2020.  
That wouldn't happen if Trump were Prez. And not one candidate is even mentioning the dangers the US faces.

Historically, this period reminds me a lot of the pre-Pearl Harbor & pre-9/11 periods in the US.

The United States is at war -- now. Trump gets it. China gets it.

Unfortunately, no other candidate seems to to.

[Evil_Conservative]

I personally think the other potential candidates are laying low until this winter or early 2012 for a reason.  I just figured most conservatives are against Obamacare, so why support a man who wants single payer health care?  It doesn't make sense to me.  To be honest, it sounds like single payer is okay if there is an R after his name, but not okay with a D after his name.  I'm not saying that's what you think, just what it seems from my point of view.

I like Celebrity Apprentice and the way Trump thinks on that show, but I just do not think he is good for America.  We do not need a celebrity President.  Don't we already have one?

[Eupher]

If the Donald is the last guy standing and gets the nomination, then yes I will vote for him.  

Yeah, me too. Again.  *sigh*

Over the past few weeks, I've taken a careful look at Trump. I've read gurn's gushing about Trump (and his later semi-retractions of same). And I've seen him on a steady parade of TV punditcasts.

Conclusion?

Donald Trump is a magnificent self-promoter, even more successful at it than Ann Coulter is in promoting herself.
Kinda wondering what Trump's personal coffers are doing with this latest publicity barrage and rumors concerning his "running for president". Can anybody say "Ka-CHING!"?

I think all that's bullshit. The only thing that Trump is interested in is money. And himself.

[DumbAss Tanker]

... The only thing that Trump is interested in is money. And himself.

Correct, except for the order.