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Offline DixieBelle

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Teachers confirmed Obama was a practicing Muslim
« on: April 07, 2008, 02:47:50 PM »
The Barackstar! Muslim angle has been kicked around a lot. I haven't paid much attention to it simply for the fact that he's a non-starter in my book. But for those interested in the details, this was a good read. According to the link, Obama's camp has refuted it as false. If that's the case, why is there such a feeling of murkiness surrounding the issue? And the school principal says "bugs have eaten Obama's records in the archives"? Hmmmm....

I also have to wonder what the Muslim world makes of the Barackstar! Again, I don't follow the fawnings of his minions so I really don't know what anyone thinks of him beyond the critques I read. And I don't recall reading anything from a Muslim perspective.
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"Interviews with dozens of former classmates, teachers, neighbors and friends show that Obama was not a regular practicing Muslim when he was in Indonesia" – implying he was an irregularly practicing Muslim.

"Obama occasionally followed his stepfather to the mosque for Friday prayers, a few neighbors said" – confirming that he did pray in the mosque.

"Obama's 3rd-grade teacher at the Catholic school, who lived near the family [said that] ‘Rarely, Barry went to the mosque with Lolo'" – confirming that Obama attended mosque services.

All this matters, for if Obama once was a Muslim, he is now what Islamic law calls a murtadd (apostate), an ex-Muslim converted to another religion who must be executed. Were he elected president of the United States, this status, clearly, would have large potential implications for his relationship with the Muslim world.

In sum: Obama was an irregularly practicing Muslim who rarely or occasionally prayed with his step-father in a mosque. This precisely substantiates my statement that he "for some years had a reasonably Muslim upbringing under the auspices of his Indonesian step-father."

Therefore, what MMfA calls the "Obama-Muslim falsehood" is in fact confirmed by both articles as truthful and accurate.

Calling this a falsehood is in itself a falsehood.


http://faultlineusa.blogspot.com/2008/04/his-teachers-confirmed-obama-was.html


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Re: Teachers confirmed Obama was a practicing Muslim
« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2008, 02:52:49 PM »
maybe he wants to rethink this denial now that rev wright has done his thing.  maybe being a member of the religion of peace is suddenly just what the doctor ordered.


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Re: Teachers confirmed Obama was a practicing Muslim
« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2008, 05:08:10 PM »
I went to church a few times as a kid, and I even prayed a few times.  Doesn't mean I was Christian. :whatever:
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Re: Teachers confirmed Obama was a practicing Muslim
« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2008, 05:28:01 PM »
I went to church a few times as a kid, and I even prayed a few times.  Doesn't mean I was Christian. :whatever:

It would mean your parents certainly wanted to raise you that way.

If this is indeed true then Obama needs to just give full disclosure to it and let the chips fall where they may.   A former muslim who turns Christain is not something that is embraced by the ME, so his claims to being better suited to form some type of alliance to the muslim world is rather off (aside from the obvious reasons as to why that would be fantasy).


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Re: Teachers confirmed Obama was a practicing Muslim
« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2008, 05:30:27 PM »
I went to church a few times as a kid, and I even prayed a few times.  Doesn't mean I was Christian. :whatever:

It would mean your parents certainly wanted to raise you that way.

If this is indeed true then Obama needs to just give full disclosure to it and let the chips fall where they may.   A former muslim who turns Christain is not something that is embraced by the ME, so his claims to being better suited to form some type of alliance to the muslim world is rather off (aside from the obvious reasons as to why that would be fantasy).



Actually, it was my Aunt that made me go to church.  My parents raised me to make my own decision on religion.

But we can't call him a Muslim because his father took him to church and made him pray with him.  If this is true, then his claims that he never practiced Islam is just as true as before.
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Re: Teachers confirmed Obama was a practicing Muslim
« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2008, 05:38:07 PM »
I went to church a few times as a kid, and I even prayed a few times.  Doesn't mean I was Christian. :whatever:

It would mean your parents certainly wanted to raise you that way.

If this is indeed true then Obama needs to just give full disclosure to it and let the chips fall where they may.   A former muslim who turns Christain is not something that is embraced by the ME, so his claims to being better suited to form some type of alliance to the muslim world is rather off (aside from the obvious reasons as to why that would be fantasy).



Actually, it was my Aunt that made me go to church.  My parents raised me to make my own decision on religion.

But we can't call him a Muslim because his father took him to church and made him pray with him.  If this is true, then his claims that he never practiced Islam is just as true as before.

Couple it with the muslim school he attended and he is almost there.  It is damaging to him so he should just talk about it instead of deflecting away from it.


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Re: Teachers confirmed Obama was a practicing Muslim
« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2008, 09:10:09 PM »
maybe he wants to rethink this denial now that rev wright has done his thing.  maybe being a member of the religion of peace is suddenly just what the doctor ordered.

Both Barack Hussein Obama and Rev. Wright were (are) Muslims:

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After many lectures like this, Obama decided to take a second look at Wright's church. Older pastors warned him that Trinity was for "Buppies"--black urban professionals--and didn't have enough street cred. But Wright was a former Muslim and black nationalist who had studied at Howard and Chicago, and Trinity's guiding principles--what the church calls the "Black Value System"--included a "Disavowal of the Pursuit of Middleclassness.'"

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Dr. Wright is a student of the history of religions. His master’s degree from the University of Chicago is in that discipline and his area of concentration as an historian of religions was Islam in West Africa. While a student at the University of Chicago (U of C) he studied with the esteemed Islamic professor, Dr. Fazlur Rahman.


http://www.ctucc.org/resources/200803_trinityucctalkingpoints.html

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Re: Teachers confirmed Obama was a practicing Muslim
« Reply #7 on: April 08, 2008, 09:01:52 AM »
^which kind of explains the deafening silence.

Obama is arrogant. He doesn't think the rules apply to him. In that regard he's taking a page out of the Clinton political playbook. He really believes that muddled half-answers will suffice.

I really don't care what he is or what religion he practices. He's being judged by his actions and policies in my book. As I said before, he's a non-starter and would neve get my time, attention or vote.

He's banking on the fawning to get him to the ballot. He's that "audacious". He doesn't seem to care that people want to know about his past. And all the more delicious if they ask about his religion. He can just jut out his chin and dare them to be bigots or racists or whatever. Or continue to let others speculate while never directly answering the questions and putting the matter to rest. He'll continue to be Clintonian in that regard.
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Re: Teachers confirmed Obama was a practicing Muslim
« Reply #8 on: April 08, 2008, 10:39:04 AM »
^which kind of explains the deafening silence.

Obama is arrogant. He doesn't think the rules apply to him. In that regard he's taking a page out of the Clinton political playbook. He really believes that muddled half-answers will suffice.

I really don't care what he is or what religion he practices. He's being judged by his actions and policies in my book. As I said before, he's a non-starter and would neve get my time, attention or vote.

He's banking on the fawning to get him to the ballot. He's that "audacious". He doesn't seem to care that people want to know about his past. And all the more delicious if they ask about his religion. He can just jut out his chin and dare them to be bigots or racists or whatever. Or continue to let others speculate while never directly answering the questions and putting the matter to rest. He'll continue to be Clintonian in that regard.

precisely.  it isn't necessarily about whether he is, or has ever been, a mulsim, per se.  it's that we just can't seem to get a straight answer out of him about this, or anything else that transpired in his life before he staggered into the national spotlight with that speech at the convention.   beyond that, he's asking us to be satisfied with his autobio/campaign pamphlet, and just take the rest on faith.

his speeches are a mixture of poetry and verbal slight of hand;  they are devoid of any substance whatsoever.  when we do
finally uncover someone that would seem to be personally significant to him (his pastor), he turns out to be a lunatic.  his dog
apparently ate his records from his time in the illinois state legislature, and most everything else about this man is similarly
unexplained. 

when do we fill in the blanks with this guy?  after he is inaugurated?  no thanks.  I say that every question, every issue, and every doubt be run to ground.  if he won't answer the questions, and the MSM won't do it, then he shouldn't be surprised if 527s or new media outlets DO run these important questions down.




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Re: Teachers confirmed Obama was a practicing Muslim
« Reply #9 on: April 08, 2008, 10:51:56 AM »
^exactly. You don't get on the ballot without a) a complicit media and fawning public b) hard work and solid ideals. I think we know which one he's banking on.
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