Hey Sparky

[debk]

From what I saw on tv this morning...you aren't going to see much change all week. 

[seahorse513]

Oh well, we shall have to live with it and forge on.........

[formerlurker]

Not just one storm this week -- two storms, piggybacking each other.   If you live in NE and have snow on your roof then you need to get it off before Tuesday.




Our first wave along this battle zone arrive Tuesday during the mid-late morning. Temp profiles look cold enough to support snow for most of the day. This will be a problem for many area schools. Do they cancel school for two days in a row? Poor parents. What to do? The snow will fill in fast Tuesday…become heavier by midday, so by the afternoon commute home..there will be several inches of snow on the ground. Do you send the buses and kids out in it? Why risk it?  This will be a game time call obviously. Tuesday’s morning commute will be dry, but evening commute will be a mess with snow covered road and the potential for 3-5″ of snow on the ground by 7 PM. This initial wave will pull away Tuesday night and may even mix with sleet and light rain as the precipitation begins to lighten and taper off.

Here lies the problem…The main event has not even started yet. Round #2 fills back in by dawn on Wednesday. More commuting nightmares for those who must get to work.  By this time, our storm will have tracked from Texas to the Ohio valley as an intensifying low. Heavy snows will be found on the northern side of the low…from Missouri, to Iowa, to Illinois, to Michigan. As warm air becomes entrained into the low in the midlevels between 850-800 mb, that pink transition line between snow and rain will mean business! A significant sleet and freezing rain storm is likely just south of the areas which will be getting the heaviest snow. Southern, Missouri, S. Illinois, S. Indiana, Ohio and PA all seem like pretty good bets to have to deal with this icy mix.

I know what you are thinking…who cares! What about us? New England is going to be a really close call. Just a few miles in the track will have extreme differences in Ptype, amounts, and impact. The Low is going to be LOADED with moisture from the Gulf. It is going to be a flat out nasty day. I am watching the influx of warmth some of our models are showing in the mid levels with warm air advection around the low.  Most have the 0 line at 850 going to the Mass Pike and stalling and then collapsing to the coast later. The GFS and JMA have been warmer, but I suspect will start to trend colder and come closer in line with the Euro and the GEM.

By Dawn on Wednesday, I am expecting snow to be falling along and north of the Pike, with freezing rain and sleet line moving through CT, RI and southeast MA. It will likely be raining on the Cape & islands by then. How far north this mix line goes is the real question, and I don’t think anyone really knows at this point. I think the best chance sleet and freezing rain will be south and along the Pike with the best chance of accumulating snow along and north of the Pike. Pretty straight forward, but again any change in warmth or track will have huge impacts to the forecast.

http://boston.cbslocal.com/2011/01/30/not-much-change-a-real-mess-on-our-hands/#

[NHSparky]

Well, aren't you just a ray of ****ing sunshine in my life?

And working 12's with an hour commute each way, exactly WHEN am I supposed to get all this global warming off my roof?

**** it.  If I still have a roof on Friday, I'll take care of it then.  (BTW--only have about 8-10 inches on it right now.)

[AllosaursRus]

Not to worry y'all! I'm gettin' the next storm y'all can expect in about 10 days! 15 to 25 MPH north wind, with gusts above 30! Wind chills way below zero. We're expectin' about 5º below tonight. Should send the wind chill down to about 60º below! Then around Thursday, it will get back up into "banana belt" weather again around 25º!

Better go check my tank heaters! Livestock drinks twice as much water when it gets cold like this than they do when it's above 20º. Never have quite figured that one out!

[NHSparky]

Not to worry y'all! I'm gettin' the next storm y'all can expect in about 10 days! 15 to 25 MPH north wind, with gusts above 30! Wind chills way below zero. We're expectin' about 5º below tonight. Should send the wind chill down to about 60º below! Then around Thursday, it will get back up into "banana belt" weather again around 25º!

Better go check my tank heaters! Livestock drinks twice as much water when it gets cold like this than they do when it's above 20º. Never have quite figured that one out!

Dryer air--they can't hydrate fast enough.  Saw it when the guys made ice runs.  They said when they surfaced at the pole they were going through 2-3 gallons a day per person.

[seahorse513]

Well, aren't you just a ray of ****ing sunshine in my life?

And working 12's with an hour commute each way, exactly WHEN am I supposed to get all this global warming off my roof?

**** it.  If I still have a roof on Friday, I'll take care of it then.  (BTW--only have about 8-10 inches on it right now.)

Well in that case I suggest you invest in a roof rake.....Just advising....

[thundley4]

We're under a winter storm watch until Wednesday. Sleet, freezing rain and snow in the forecast, but not much accumulation. Unfortunately it doesn't take much of that crap to cause lots of accidents.

[NHSparky]

Well in that case I suggest you invest in a roof rake.....Just advising....

Perhaps you didn't read my post where I said I would rake it Friday?  Or are you taking Vesta's stupid pills?

[AllosaursRus]

We're under a winter storm watch until Wednesday. Sleet, freezing rain and snow in the forecast, but not much accumulation. Unfortunately it doesn't take much of that crap to cause lots of accidents.

Yeah that's what happens with fools on the road! Even up here, the morons wait 'til the last minute to put on snow tires! The first storm we have, wreck-a-looza! Especially with the stooooopid Kalifornicators we import every year!

After the first one, everyone seems to wise up, except for, you guessed it, the Kalifornicators! Seems like they're so dense it takes a coupla dents in their cars, though we'd like to give 'em a couple in the cranium! DUmb****s

[seahorse513]

Well, aren't you just a ray of ****ing sunshine in my life?

And working 12's with an hour commute each way, exactly WHEN am I supposed to get all this global warming off my roof?

**** it.  If I still have a roof on Friday, I'll take care of it then.  (BTW--only have about 8-10 inches on it right now.)

No you didn't mention anything about a roof rake

[NHSparky]

If I still have a roof on Friday, I'll take care of it then.

Well how did you think I was going to do it?  Magic ****ing unicorn farts?

BTW--it's also a 12-pitch roof, so it's not like it's going to be all that horrible.  People with flatter roofs, yes, they will be more pressed to get that stuff off now.

[NHSparky]

Yeah that's what happens with fools on the road! Even up here, the morons wait 'til the last minute to put on snow tires! The first storm we have, wreck-a-looza! Especially with the stooooopid Kalifornicators we import every year!

After the first one, everyone seems to wise up, except for, you guessed it, the Kalifornicators! Seems like they're so dense it takes a coupla dents in their cars, though we'd like to give 'em a couple in the cranium! DUmb****s

Sounds like the idiots in pickups and 4WDs who think they have special license to still follow everyone at 2 inches off their rear bumper and go normal highway speeds when there's a foot of snow and ice on the roads.

I've watched a few of those folks pass me, then literally a mile down the road, WATCH them eat it and take the ditch (if they're lucky) or the median rail (if they're not.)

[seahorse513]

Well how did you think I was going to do it?  Magic ****ing unicorn farts?

BTW--it's also a 12-pitch roof, so it's not like it's going to be all that horrible.  People with flatter roofs, yes, they will be more pressed to get that stuff off now.

I don't know about you, but people have been known to climb onto their roof(not very safe)via ladders and shovel off their roof

[NHSparky]

I don't know about you, but people have been known to climb onto their roof(not very safe)via ladders and shovel off their roof

And another piece of evidence as to why Maine is regarded as the stupidest state in the nation.

[seahorse513]

And another piece of evidence as to why Maine is regarded as the stupidest state in the nation.

How the $%^%$# do you think people did it before roof rakes were invented??? or better yet people who don't own a roof rake in NH even??

[NHSparky]

How the $%^%$# do you think people did it before roof rakes were invented??? or better yet people who don't own a roof rake in NH even??

12-pitch roofs.  Ever heard of them?

[seahorse513]

12-pitch roofs.  Ever heard of them?

You, SIR are impossible!!!!!  UGGA!!!!!

[Thor]

Didn't see too many people in MN removing snow from their roofs when I was living up there. OF COURSE, most houses were built to code for a certain snow load. If not, they had 9/12 pitched roofs.

[formerlurker]

Didn't see too many people in MN removing snow from their roofs when I was living up there. OF COURSE, most houses were built to code for a certain snow load. If not, they had 9/12 pitched roofs.

Most of the houses in NE do have a pitched roofs, however once that snow becomes heavy wet snow with a 1/4 inch of ice coating, then it gets dangerous. 

[formerlurker]

With at least four collapses this week in the region, including at the Casey and Hayes warehouse in West Bridgewater and at an unoccupied building in the Avon Industrial Park, authorities are calling attention to the threat of accumulated snow on rooftops caused by higher than average snowfall in recent weeks.

“I know a lot of commercial establishments are making efforts now to alleviate weight,’’ said Peter Judge, a spokesman for the Massachusetts Emergency Management Agency. “Most houses here have a good pitch to them, but homeowners need to pay attention to porches and garages as well.’’

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2011/01/29/threat_of_roof_collapse_weighs_heavily_on_region/

[NHSparky]

I'm watching Weather Channel right now.  1+ inch of ICE in a band stretching from SW of St. Louis to NE to Indy.

Oh, that so SUCKS.  That is serious weather there.  I'd rather deal with 2 feet of snow than an inch of ice.

And Thor, I was used to light/dry snow when I lived in Idaho, Wyoming, and even Colorado.  But lake-effect snow (and I don't mean MN lakes, I mean BIG bodies of water not frozen over) is ****ing HEAVY.  Like trying to shovel wet concrete.  There really IS a difference. 

It's at the point where you have to rake regularly, or have heater strips on the roof, or as some enterprising folks have done, throw a few old socks with rock salt or driveway melt on the lower parts of the roof.  Snow here will kill a roof in nothing flat.  I'm already noticing the weight as it's harder to open and close my closet door than it normally is in summer.

[AllosaursRus]

I don't know about you, but people have been known to climb onto their roof(not very safe)via ladders and shovel off their roof

I resemble that remark!

Been more than one winter I earned a livin' shovelin' 3+ feet off roofs out on the lake for the "rich" bastards! Some of 'em are built right on a cliff and it's better than 60 feet to the rocks below!

[NHSparky]

Just went onto NECN website and caught their weather forecast.

I'm right smack friggin dab in the middle of the "heavy" band of 12-20+.  Throw that in with Tuesday's snow, and I'm looking at 20-30 inches by Thursday.  FML.

[AllosaursRus]

Did I mention I usually make $60/hr doin' it?? Hehehehe