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Re: Romney - Bachmann 2012?
« Reply #25 on: January 06, 2011, 01:43:40 PM »
Mitt and Max - twins separated at birth rendering?  You decide!

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Re: Romney - Bachmann 2012?
« Reply #26 on: January 06, 2011, 01:54:19 PM »
Quote from: theconservative on January 05, 2011, 09:52:58 PM
Former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney will run for President in 2012 with the support of traditional fiscal conservatives (non tea party voters), foreign policy conservatives, Reagan conservatives, and some moderates. However, Romney is not popular with tea party conservatives or social conservatives. Picking Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-MN) would be a smart political move for Romney. Romney is middle-aged, a male, and although he hails from the midwest, he was a new england governor and businessman. Bachmann is younger, from the midwest, and loved by tea party and social conservatives. My question to all of you is, would a Romney-Bachmann ticket be a good idea in your view?
What is a "traditional fiscal conservative?"  RINO.... no thank you.. Romney sucks
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Re: Romney - Bachmann 2012?
« Reply #27 on: January 06, 2011, 02:00:20 PM »
"traditional fiscal conservative" = Social liberal who wants a balanced budget, often by cutting defense which most of them think you can just go buy off the shelf if you ever have to fight a war.
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Re: Romney - Bachmann 2012?
« Reply #28 on: January 06, 2011, 03:55:49 PM »
Quote from: Janice on January 06, 2011, 02:03:31 AM
^ What she said. ^

What is your "handle" sir"?

"theconservative"? Really??

Did your fingers slip on the keys when you meant to type "themoderate"?

Our maybe Im just confused by the term. I think thats what Charles Krauthammer and the NYTimes keeps telling me anyways ...

Romney cut spending without increasing taxes in Massachusetts, he increased funding for soldiers returning home, and he said no to illegal immigrants getting driver's licenses. Say what you want about his healthcare plan, but it did not violate the constitutional principle of state's rights, it did not increase taxes under his watch, and it did not cut medicare on seniors. I would not have pursued such a bill, it was not a good bill, but a 2009 poll showed 59% of residents in the bay state still support the healthcare legislation.
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Re: Romney - Bachmann 2012?
« Reply #29 on: January 06, 2011, 03:58:35 PM »
Quote from: Evil_Conservative on January 05, 2011, 10:30:43 PM
Palin - Bachmann 2012

The issue here is, you have two tea-party supported candidates who are also loved by social conservatives, but not foreign policy voters or traditional republicans.
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Re: Romney - Bachmann 2012?
« Reply #30 on: January 06, 2011, 04:02:44 PM »
Quote from: cavegal on January 06, 2011, 01:54:19 PM
What is a "traditional fiscal conservative?"  RINO.... no thank you.. Romney sucks

You bring up a great question. Some in the tea party want to eliminate social security and cut military spending, which traditional fiscal conservatives oppose.

Personally, I want to abolish the IRS, department of education, the department of interior, the department of agriculture, and I want to combine other departments. However, I do not want to cut a penny from the defense budget, and I'd love it if they just passed the privatization of social security.
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Re: Romney - Bachmann 2012?
« Reply #31 on: January 06, 2011, 04:05:23 PM »
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Re: Romney - Bachmann 2012?
« Reply #32 on: January 06, 2011, 04:14:27 PM »
Quote from: theconservative on January 06, 2011, 04:02:44 PM
Some in the tea party want to eliminate social security and cut military spending, which traditional fiscal conservatives oppose.

I strongly disagree, and I would also add that Romney's health plan was clearly going to ultimately be unsustainable, and foreseeably so from its inception, he just knew he could bail long before it crashed so he wouldn't get the black mark for it.
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Re: Romney - Bachmann 2012?
« Reply #33 on: January 06, 2011, 05:15:33 PM »
Quote from: DumbAss Tanker on January 06, 2011, 04:14:27 PM
I strongly disagree, and I would also add that Romney's health plan was clearly going to ultimately be unsustainable, and foreseeably so from its inception, he just knew he could bail long before it crashed so he wouldn't get the black mark for it.

1. Some libertarian members of the tea party do want to eliminate social security and cut military spending, look at the statements made by Rep. Ron Paul and others. Not all take this position, but some do.

2. When Romney left office, the state had a surplus and his healthcare plan was still affordable. The principle of Romeycare, which was that people had to buy insurance instead of having the government pay, was a good principle though it obviously was badly implemented. Mitt thought the state could afford the plan, and he was wrong. Bureaucrats often tell governors or presidents that things will cost less than what they end up costing, it happens all the time. I will not defend Mitt Romney on the individual mandates, but I will defend his right to pass the plan and I don't believe his plan should disqualify him from being president.
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Re: Romney - Bachmann 2012?
« Reply #34 on: January 07, 2011, 08:44:38 AM »
Quote from: theconservative on January 06, 2011, 05:15:33 PM
1. Some libertarian members of the tea party do want to eliminate social security and cut military spending, look at the statements made by Rep. Ron Paul and others. Not all take this position, but some do.

2. When Romney left office, the state had a surplus and his healthcare plan was still affordable. The principle of Romeycare, which was that people had to buy insurance instead of having the government pay, was a good principle though it obviously was badly implemented. Mitt thought the state could afford the plan, and he was wrong. Bureaucrats often tell governors or presidents that things will cost less than what they end up costing, it happens all the time. I will not defend Mitt Romney on the individual mandates, but I will defend his right to pass the plan and I don't believe his plan should disqualify him from being president.

I'll go with you on point #2 from the standpoint that bureaucrats typically and traditionally underreport and underestimate long term costs - you'd think that executives would get a clue about that, but no, they don't.

But I'll flat out tell you that Romney prides himself on being a "numbers" man. He'll stand up and quote chapter and verse on small points relating to any particular policy or legislation and do so quite elegantly - it's clear he does a certain amount of homework.

So why, pray tell, did Romney fail so badly in both failing to predict the underestimates for cost and the ultimate unsustainability of RomneyCare if he's such a "numbers" guy?
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Re: Romney - Bachmann 2012?
« Reply #35 on: January 07, 2011, 10:01:11 AM »
Quote from: Eupher on January 07, 2011, 08:44:38 AM
I'll go with you on point #2 from the standpoint that bureaucrats typically and traditionally underreport and underestimate long term costs - you'd think that executives would get a clue about that, but no, they don't.

But I'll flat out tell you that Romney prides himself on being a "numbers" man. He'll stand up and quote chapter and verse on small points relating to any particular policy or legislation and do so quite elegantly - it's clear he does a certain amount of homework.

So why, pray tell, did Romney fail so badly in both failing to predict the underestimates for cost and the ultimate unsustainability of RomneyCare if he's such a "numbers" guy?

Maybe because he failed, he became a "numbers" guy after?  Was he like many, who relied on the research of others, then recited it chapter and verse his constituents,  only to end up looking foolish? Did he then decide that if he was going to recite C & V, then he needed to be doing his own homework, rather than to rely on the work of others?

I don't know the answers, or trying to be snarky.
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Re: Romney - Bachmann 2012?
« Reply #36 on: January 07, 2011, 11:26:59 AM »
Didn't we already try the RINO-Conservative woman ticket combo against 0bama?  Why do it again?
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Re: Romney - Bachmann 2012?
« Reply #37 on: January 07, 2011, 11:53:30 AM »
Quote from: theconservative on January 06, 2011, 03:58:35 PM
The issue here is, you have two tea-party supported candidates who are also loved by social conservatives, but not foreign policy voters or traditional republicans.

What makes you think they won't be?
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Re: Romney - Bachmann 2012?
« Reply #38 on: January 07, 2011, 12:08:59 PM »
Palin-West, Bachmann for AG

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Re: Romney - Bachmann 2012?
« Reply #39 on: January 07, 2011, 12:16:43 PM »
I like Bachmann. Scratch that Romney name.
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Re: Romney - Bachmann 2012?
« Reply #40 on: January 07, 2011, 01:00:30 PM »
Romney is A Yankee liberal who can not win. How the hell can he explain his vote for MASScare when it mirrors Obamacare. He is a social liberal and a flip flopper on abortion and who knows what his position is on gay marriage.
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Re: Romney - Bachmann 2012?
« Reply #41 on: January 07, 2011, 01:27:56 PM »
Quote from: docstew on January 07, 2011, 11:26:59 AM
Didn't we already try the RINO-Conservative woman ticket combo against 0bama?  Why do it again?

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Re: Romney - Bachmann 2012?
« Reply #42 on: January 07, 2011, 02:03:04 PM »
Quote from: Eupher on January 07, 2011, 08:44:38 AM
I'll go with you on point #2 from the standpoint that bureaucrats typically and traditionally underreport and underestimate long term costs - you'd think that executives would get a clue about that, but no, they don't.

But I'll flat out tell you that Romney prides himself on being a "numbers" man. He'll stand up and quote chapter and verse on small points relating to any particular policy or legislation and do so quite elegantly - it's clear he does a certain amount of homework.

So why, pray tell, did Romney fail so badly in both failing to predict the underestimates for cost and the ultimate unsustainability of RomneyCare if he's such a "numbers" guy?

Romney cut spending in Massachusetts, a state that faced a $3 billion budget deficit. As a Governor, Romney did increase fees, local commercial taxes, and he also created an online sales tax. However, Romney also expanded a 2003 tax cut on investment, he created a New Market Tax Credit, and he stopped further tax increases. Furthermore, Romney saw the addition of 80,000 jobs during his time as governor. He held spending increases to 2.2%, when, according to the club for growth, spending should have seen a 3% increase during his time as governor given the population. His record as governor is very good in general, but outstanding considering the political climate he governed in.
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Re: Romney - Bachmann 2012?
« Reply #43 on: January 07, 2011, 03:36:37 PM »
Quote from: theconservative on January 07, 2011, 02:03:04 PM
Romney cut spending in Massachusetts, a state that faced a $3 billion budget deficit. As a Governor, Romney did increase fees, local commercial taxes, and he also created an online sales tax. However, Romney also expanded a 2003 tax cut on investment, he created a New Market Tax Credit, and he stopped further tax increases. Furthermore, Romney saw the addition of 80,000 jobs during his time as governor. He held spending increases to 2.2%, when, according to the club for growth, spending should have seen a 3% increase during his time as governor given the population. His record as governor is very good in general, but outstanding considering the political climate he governed in.

He is still a Yankee liberal who can not win. MA Health care dooms him along with his flip flop on abortion. He talks a good game but it comes out of both sides of his mouth. Kinda like Obama.
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Re: Romney - Bachmann 2012?
« Reply #44 on: January 07, 2011, 04:58:32 PM »
Quote from: Lacarnut on January 07, 2011, 03:36:37 PM
He is still a Yankee liberal who can not win. MA Health care dooms him along with his flip flop on abortion. He talks a good game but it comes out of both sides of his mouth. Kinda like Obama.

Mitt Romney is the best chance the GOP has in 2012. He is not a liberal, he is a conservative republican. Sorry to break this too you, but unlike in 2000, there is no one with a southern accent with a chance. Yes, Gingrich is from the south, but he does not come across as a southerner, perhaps because of his years in D.C. and I'm not sure if he lives in Georgia right now. I just don't believe in not voting for someone because of where they come from in the 48 main states.
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Re: Romney - Bachmann 2012?
« Reply #45 on: January 07, 2011, 05:05:02 PM »
Nobody here is smellin' what theconservative is cookin'.
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Re: Romney - Bachmann 2012?
« Reply #46 on: January 07, 2011, 05:07:28 PM »
Quote from: DumbAss Tanker on January 07, 2011, 05:05:02 PM
Nobody here is smellin' what theconservative is cookin'.

I am open ears, tell me who I should be voting for in 2012.
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Re: Romney - Bachmann 2012?
« Reply #47 on: January 07, 2011, 05:10:24 PM »
Many have made other suggestions to you, but Mitt is clearly the only one you like.  What would be the point?
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Re: Romney - Bachmann 2012?
« Reply #48 on: January 07, 2011, 05:21:24 PM »
Quote from: theconservative on January 07, 2011, 04:58:32 PM
Mitt Romney is the best chance the GOP has in 2012. He is not a liberal, he is a conservative republican. Sorry to break this too you, but unlike in 2000, there is no one with a southern accent with a chance. Yes, Gingrich is from the south, but he does not come across as a southerner, perhaps because of his years in D.C. and I'm not sure if he lives in Georgia right now. I just don't believe in not voting for someone because of where they come from in the 48 main states.

According to an 18 YEAR old know it all troll. You do not know shit boy cause you are still wet behind the ears. Sorry to break this to you but Romney is NO conservative, and if that is the best the Repubs have to offer, I will not vote along with many other Southerners. I don't care for Huck or Newt but I would vote for them over your boy who was once the Governor of the most LIBERAL state in the USA. In other words, you can not polish this turd and make him acceptable. 
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Re: Romney - Bachmann 2012?
« Reply #49 on: January 07, 2011, 05:56:31 PM »
Quote from: Lacarnut on January 07, 2011, 05:21:24 PM
According to an 18 YEAR old know it all troll. You do not know shit boy cause you are still wet behind the ears. Sorry to break this to you but Romney is NO conservative, and if that is the best the Repubs have to offer, I will not vote along with many other Southerners. I don't care for Huck or Newt but I would vote for them over your boy who was once the Governor of the most LIBERAL state in the USA. In other words, you can not polish this turd and make him acceptable. 

I am sorry the main stream media has brainwashed you into believing everything you hear. Southerners vote for the GOP nominee, at least since '68. Also, I do like candidates like Huckabee, Pawlenty, Daniels etc. I will defend truth from fiction, fact from propaganda, and freedom from fear.
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