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Re: Romney - Bachmann 2012?
« Reply #50 on: January 07, 2011, 06:46:29 PM »
No Romney please.
Remember MASS. health care? I'm living that nightmare. I'll pass on him thanks.

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Re: Romney - Bachmann 2012?
« Reply #51 on: January 07, 2011, 07:09:04 PM »
Mitt Romney is the best chance the GOP has in 2012. He is not a liberal, he is a conservative republican.

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Re: Romney - Bachmann 2012?
« Reply #52 on: January 07, 2011, 08:17:46 PM »
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Don't take my word for it, believe the folks who supported Romney for President in 2008 including;
- The National Review
- Sen. Judd Greg (R-NH)
- Liz Cheney
- Sheriff Joe Aprio (R-AZ)
- Niki Haley (R-SC)
- Former Governor of Missouri Matt Blunt
- Sean Hannity

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Re: Romney - Bachmann 2012?
« Reply #53 on: January 07, 2011, 08:28:03 PM »
I am sorry the main stream media has brainwashed you into believing everything you hear. Southerners vote for the GOP nominee, at least since '68. Also, I do like candidates like Huckabee, Pawlenty, Daniels etc. I will defend truth from fiction, fact from propaganda, and freedom from fear.

They do not like a politician that has sucked up to every National and local queer organization..Romney allowed  their filthy homosexual books in the schools....He had the Boy Scouts banned from the Olympics on the urging of these freaks. Southerners do not vote for a queer lover, a liar who changes his positon on abortion and a promoter of socialistic health care. This smooth talking liberal is not fooling conservatives. Most of this information was gleamed from the Boston Globe.  

Got news for you troll. Go peddle your bullshit elsewhere cause most here are not buying what you are selling.  

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Re: Romney - Bachmann 2012?
« Reply #54 on: January 07, 2011, 08:45:59 PM »
They do not like a politician that has sucked up to every National and local queer organization..Romney allowed  their filthy homosexual books in the schools....He had the Boy Scouts banned from the Olympics on the urging of these freaks. Southerners do not vote for a queer lover, a liar who changes his positon on abortion and a promoter of socialistic health care. This smooth talking liberal is not fooling conservatives. Most of this information was gleamed from the Boston Globe.  

Got news for you troll. Go peddle your bullshit elsewhere cause most here are not buying what you are selling.  

1. There is a difference between supporting gay rights and gay marriage. Romney has supported gay rights, but not gay marriage. In fact, he is on the record opposing gay marriage during his 2002 campaign and when he testified before congress to pass a federal marriage amendment in 2005.

2. I am not a troll, I seek to engage in a civil debate. My position on gay marriage happens to be the same as Romney's; I believe that homosexuallity is a way of life that should not be encouraged, but not discriminated against either. I support the federal marriage amendment, but I also support the rights of states to establish civil unions. Romney has the same stance. As for the boy scouts thing, I read an article from 2000 about that, but there was no mention of Romney in the article.

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Re: Romney - Bachmann 2012?
« Reply #55 on: January 07, 2011, 09:06:57 PM »
Romney's the reason McCain won the nomination when he "stopped campaigning" and held on to his votes.  He was hoping that McCain would win and he'd get the VP slot or a cabinet position.  In my opinion.  It would be difficult to me to not sit out of the vote in that case.  I know you won't find a true fully conservative president anymore, but anyone but that RINO.

Romney lost the nomination because the conservative vote was split between him and Huckabee.   Huckabee drops out and Romney would have had the nomination and possibly the win.

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Re: Romney - Bachmann 2012?
« Reply #56 on: January 07, 2011, 09:09:42 PM »
They do not like a politician that has sucked up to every National and local queer organization..Romney allowed  their filthy homosexual books in the schools....He had the Boy Scouts banned from the Olympics on the urging of these freaks. Southerners do not vote for a queer lover, a liar who changes his positon on abortion and a promoter of socialistic health care. This smooth talking liberal is not fooling conservatives. Most of this information was gleamed from the Boston Globe.  

Got news for you troll. Go peddle your bullshit elsewhere cause most here are not buying what you are selling.  

You do know the founder of massresistance is certifiable and gay right?

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Re: Romney - Bachmann 2012?
« Reply #57 on: January 07, 2011, 09:14:30 PM »
1. There is a difference between supporting gay rights and gay marriage. Romney has supported gay rights, but not gay marriage. In fact, he is on the record opposing gay marriage during his 2002 campaign and when he testified before congress to pass a federal marriage amendment in 2005.

2. I am not a troll, I seek to engage in a civil debate. My position on gay marriage happens to be the same as Romney's; I believe that homosexuallity is a way of life that should not be encouraged, but not discriminated against either. I support the federal marriage amendment, but I also support the rights of states to establish civil unions. Romney has the same stance. As for the boy scouts thing, I read an article from 2000 about that, but there was no mention of Romney in the article.

The super super super majority in Boston stopped him from placing gay marriage on the ballot.  They knew that had it gone on the ballot it would have passed as MA is a heavily Catholic populated state.   

Honestly, I went round after round after round trying to post facts about Romney on FR to counter all the massresistance nonsense, but it just isn't worth it.   Romney would carry moderates easily.  He is a good man - honest as the day is long.  Not a single skeleton in his closet (and Kennedy did his best to find one).   

He wins the nomination, he has a very good shot at winning.   That said, it is early -- way early.  I have no idea who I am going to support yet.

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Re: Romney - Bachmann 2012?
« Reply #58 on: January 07, 2011, 09:21:16 PM »
1. There is a difference between supporting gay rights and gay marriage. Romney has supported gay rights, but not gay marriage. In fact, he is on the record opposing gay marriage during his 2002 campaign and when he testified before congress to pass a federal marriage amendment in 2005.

2. I am not a troll, I seek to engage in a civil debate. My position on gay marriage happens to be the same as Romney's; I believe that homosexuallity is a way of life that should not be encouraged, but not discriminated against either. I support the federal marriage amendment, but I also support the rights of states to establish civil unions. Romney has the same stance. As for the boy scouts thing, I read an article from 2000 about that, but there was no mention of Romney in the article.

Let me help you out since you seem to be incapable of how to use google....type Boston Globe Boy Scouts not allowed at the Olympics.......second and third thread down from the top...Romney on Gays & Gov Rick Perry vs Romney on B.S. vs Homos.

You believe children should be schooled on homosexuality. See, shit like that will not fly down South. You can slick Romney all up but he has no chance of winning once his record of abortion, social liberalism and MA health care is out in the open.

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Re: Romney - Bachmann 2012?
« Reply #59 on: January 07, 2011, 09:34:49 PM »
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Romney to Keynote Boy Scouts of America 100th Anniversary Dinner
January 15th, 2010 11:27 amAuthor: Aaron Gundy

Next month in Grand Rapids, The Boy Scouts of America will host a dinner celebrating 100 years of scouting and their record 2009 ‘Eagle Scout’ and ‘Silver Award’ Class. The BSA has invited former Gov. Mitt Romney to be the keynote speaker at the ‘Building Character’ celebration.

http://mittromneycentral.com/2010/01/15/romney-to-keynote-boy-scouts-of-america-100th-anniversary-dinner/

More on that:

http://www.evangelicalsformitt.org/front_page/jay_sekulow_responds_to_boy_sc.php

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Re: Romney - Bachmann 2012?
« Reply #60 on: January 07, 2011, 10:00:16 PM »
Let me help you out since you seem to be incapable of how to use google....type Boston Globe Boy Scouts not allowed at the Olympics.......second and third thread down from the top...Romney on Gays & Gov Rick Perry vs Romney on B.S. vs Homos.

You believe children should be schooled on homosexuality. See, shit like that will not fly down South. You can slick Romney all up but he has no chance of winning once his record of abortion, social liberalism and MA health care is out in the open.

1. I constantly am on google, thank you very much.

2. I do not like Romneycare, nor do I like the fact that he has changed positions on abortion. That being said, he has never supported gay marriage. I never said on this forum he has my vote.

3. So, you know what my positions are now. Let me tell you my view; I do not have an issue with civil unions. I do, however, oppose gay marriage on the basis that marriage is between one man and one woman. I also oppose gay adoption.

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Re: Romney - Bachmann 2012?
« Reply #61 on: January 07, 2011, 11:09:43 PM »
I am open ears, tell me who I should be voting for in 2012.

Its too soon. Wayyy, way too soon. Unless pure speculation is the coin of the realm here. Anything can and usually does happen this far out from the elections. You might wanna park that horse back into the barn for the moment there Andy.

I believe that homosexuallity is a way of life that should not be encouraged, but not discriminated against either.

Discriminated against? Are you implying that we "discriminate" now? If so, how?
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Re: Romney - Bachmann 2012?
« Reply #62 on: January 07, 2011, 11:56:42 PM »
Maybe because he failed, he became a "numbers" guy after?  Was he like many, who relied on the research of others, then recited it chapter and verse his constituents,  only to end up looking foolish? Did he then decide that if he was going to recite C & V, then he needed to be doing his own homework, rather than to rely on the work of others?

I don't know the answers, or trying to be snarky.

It's fine, Deb.

Romney, for years now, has always prided himself on his "business" prowess and when he's called to talk business finance he's generally done well - ergo, his reputation for having keen business acumen.

I'd say he can get lost in the numbers, so like all astute politicians, he's going to have his advisers "advise" him on issues. But he'll get the major stuff down so he doesn't look like an idiot during a debate.

His business sense is one of the premises he ran on during the primaries and that is the principal reason he was "invited" to "save" the 2002 Olympics in Salt Lake City when no "saving" needed to have been done. You might recall that a couple of guys on the Salt Lake Olympic Committee got caught up in a "scandal" that, oddly enough, exists every time there's an Olympics and were shitcanned from the Committee at the 11th hour 59th minute. Here comes Romney, riding to the rescue.  :whatever:

Romney's like a blister - he shows up when the work is done.

Pretty boys do that, you know.
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Re: Romney - Bachmann 2012?
« Reply #63 on: January 08, 2011, 12:02:29 AM »
1. I constantly am on google, thank you very much.

2. I do not like Romneycare, nor do I like the fact that he has changed positions on abortion. That being said, he has never supported gay marriage. I never said on this forum he has my vote.

3. So, you know what my positions are now. Let me tell you my view; I do not have an issue with civil unions. I do, however, oppose gay marriage on the basis that marriage is between one man and one woman. I also oppose gay adoption.

Well, it might be time to flat-out state who has your vote. You're doing a marvelous job of pimping Romney, even though there doesn't appear to be a great deal of starstruck idolatry exhibited toward him on this forum - maybe in Utah, but not here.

Are you related to Romney in any way?

Why are you pimping him?
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Re: Romney - Bachmann 2012?
« Reply #64 on: January 08, 2011, 12:17:05 AM »
Its too soon. Wayyy, way too soon. Unless pure speculation is the coin of the realm here. Anything can and usually does happen this far out from the elections. You might wanna park that horse back into the barn for the moment there Andy.

Discriminated against? Are you implying that we "discriminate" now? If so, how?

No, I am not implying we discriminate against gays. Let me be honest; I am not comfortable with homosexuality. Homosexuals are not always bad people, but I do not believe the lord intended for mankind to have homosexuality. That being said, I do not dislike gays and I support civil unions because they are gods children none the less.

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Re: Romney - Bachmann 2012?
« Reply #65 on: January 08, 2011, 12:25:50 AM »
Well, it might be time to flat-out state who has your vote. You're doing a marvelous job of pimping Romney, even though there doesn't appear to be a great deal of starstruck idolatry exhibited toward him on this forum - maybe in Utah, but not here.

Are you related to Romney in any way?

Why are you pimping him?

If Romney, Gingrich, Thune, Bachmann, Pence, Pawlenty, Cain, Santorum, Daniels, Bolton, Kempthrone, or anyone who isn't Palin or Paul wins the GOP nomination, I want them to win the general election. My point is, Romney is an acceptable nominee for conservative voters.

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Re: Romney - Bachmann 2012?
« Reply #66 on: January 08, 2011, 12:49:44 AM »
If Romney, Gingrich, Thune, Bachmann, Pence, Pawlenty, Cain, Santorum, Daniels, Bolton, Kempthrone, or anyone who isn't Palin or Paul wins the GOP nomination, I want them to win the general election. My point is, Romney is an acceptable nominee for conservative voters.

Speak for yourself.  Romney is an acceptable nominee for YOU.  Others may not vote in the general election or may hold their nose to vote.

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Re: Romney - Bachmann 2012?
« Reply #67 on: January 08, 2011, 06:24:11 AM »
Don't take my word for it, believe the folks who supported Romney for President in 2008 including;
- The National Review
- Sen. Judd Greg (R-NH)
- Liz Cheney
- Sheriff Joe Aprio (R-AZ)
- Niki Haley (R-SC)
- Former Governor of Missouri Matt Blunt
- Sean Hannity


It does not matter who is supporting him. He flipflops on abortion, and his healthcare plan forces people to purchase a commodity, something a government has never before demanded of its people and sets a dangerous precedent. The precedent is that a government could mandate people to purchase commodities from firms who donate to certain politicians. That would be a form of corporatism, or what we used to call fascism (which is by no means right wing).

The best solutions to healthcare is to allow cross state insurance and get the government out of it as much as possible.
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Re: Romney - Bachmann 2012?
« Reply #69 on: January 08, 2011, 10:14:53 AM »
If Romney, Gingrich, Thune, Bachmann, Pence, Pawlenty, Cain, Santorum, Daniels, Bolton, Kempthrone, or anyone who isn't Palin or Paul wins the GOP nomination, I want them to win the general election. My point is, Romney is an acceptable nominee for conservative voters.

You failed to answer the question, so I'll ask again:

Are you related to Romney in some way?
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Re: Romney - Bachmann 2012?
« Reply #70 on: January 08, 2011, 10:34:20 AM »
My point is, Romney is an acceptable nominee for conservative voters.

Mitt Rommel is the Republican John Kerry, and has less chance of winning than Mr Heinz ever did because he would split the GOP base.
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Re: Romney - Bachmann 2012?
« Reply #71 on: January 08, 2011, 10:41:52 AM »
Mitt Rommel is the Republican John Kerry, and has less chance of winning than Mr Heinz ever did because he would split the GOP base.

This is why the democrat news media want Romney to be our candidate. Just as they wanted McVain to be our candidate.

Good strategy ... for them. It worked last time ...

Got any other ideas about how we can lose the next election "theconservative"?
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Re: Romney - Bachmann 2012?
« Reply #72 on: January 08, 2011, 10:57:55 AM »
It seems to me, it's always the conservatives are the ones who are forced to "take one for the team".  Perhaps it's time for the moderates to vote for the conservative.  People want a leader, not a mealy-mouthed nothing.
In the end, the search for ideological purity leads to failure.  Governor Reagan signed an abortion bill, although his reasons are unknown to me.  People change.  Some sincerely, other pragmatically.  It's important to be able to detect the difference and vote accordingly.

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Re: Romney - Bachmann 2012?
« Reply #73 on: January 08, 2011, 12:53:41 PM »
Romney's plan:

http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2006/04/the-significance-of-massachusetts-health-reform

It raises costs and any dunce can see that. Hope you like your MA health insurance cause it is going to keep going up and up and up and up because of expanded coverage. More people insured means somebody has to pay for it. BTW, the government could not run a whore house efficiently.
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Re: Romney - Bachmann 2012?
« Reply #74 on: January 08, 2011, 02:34:42 PM »
It raises costs and any dunce can see that. Hope you like your MA health insurance cause it is going to keep going up and up and up and up because of expanded coverage. More people insured means somebody has to pay for it. BTW, the government could not run a whore house efficiently.

What the plan is today is nothing what Romney proposed and/or supported.   It should not be referred to as Romneycare.